know, look, perhaps get nervous and it's just part of our dna, it's going to be a long campaigning, but quite frankly, the campaign is going to be joined by making this choice, and i think him having this speech and generating that choice will begin to coalesce democrats and strengthen the president's numbers. >> robert gibbs, david jolly, thanks to you both. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." i ll be on assignment this week and next as i travel wh secretary of state antony blinken when he visits t middle east, including jordan, qatar, turkey, the uae, saudi arabia, israel, the west bank and egypt. so it's a long trip, but i'll be reporting. so follow the show on social media @mitchellreports and you can rewatch the best parts of our show anytime now on youtube. just go to msnbc.com/andrea.

chris jansing reports starts right now. ♪♪ good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. there's explosive new evidence out today showing then president donald trump got $7.8 million courtesy of foreign countries, more than half of it from china. the allegations about the money paid to trump's businesses while he was in office coming in a highly detailed new report from house democrats. so what's congress going to do about it? plus, new year, same harrowing story, a school shooting stunning a small town in iowa, multiple students and an administrator believed to be among the wounded. we'll get a live update in just a few minutes. and as the battle over the ballot heats up, will colorado be the catalyst to that finally bottoms the supreme court to weigh in? the latest on donald trump's appeal and where the legal fight goes from here. . but we begin with that brand new report alleging donald trump unconstitutionally profited

while president. committee releasing a 156-page t report today with accusations that trump-owned businses received at least $7.8 million in foreign payments while he s in office. those payments allegedly came from at least 20 countries, which asomttee democrats point out include several of the most corrupt and authoritarian governments on earth the. the trump-owned businesses include trump international hotels in d.c. and las vegas as well as trump tower and trump world tower in new york city. house oversight democrats obtained this information from documents they got from trump's accounting firm after years of aggressive litigation. nbc's ryan nobles is reporting for us on capitol hill. also joining us, brendan buck, former aide to house speaker by a near and ryan and an msnbc political analyst, and glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor and an msnbc analyst. ryan, what more can you tell us

about this report? >> it's a violence of the emoluments clause of the constitution, which clearly states that a president of the united states is not able to collect money or receive any sort of compensation from a foreign government while serving as president unless there's express permission provided from congress, and in this case, that's not something donald trump did when he continued to be in charge of his vast array of businesses while he was president of the united states. he didn't divest in any of them. didn't put them into a blind trust. he was well aware of his business activities. what they've been able to outline by securing this information from trump's former accounting firm is close to $8 million in payments from foreign governments, directly from foreign govnments to his businesses, either through the purchases ofot rooms, of resort stays, things along thos lines. the number one country that was patronizing tru hels and trump businesses was china to the tune of more than $5 million

, saudi arabia was high on that list, qatar, other countries, some who are adversarial, some who have very difficult relationships with the united states and some countries that donald trump has been specifically critical of. now, the other thing that house democrats are frustrated by is that they feel that house republicans are stymieing their efforts to get the other two years of financial activity from the trump businesses. this is something house republicans say that they're not interested in collecting. they say the emoluments investigation which was launched while the democrats were in the majority over chairman elijah cummings is not something they're pursuing any longer and therefore they're not interested in collecting this information this is an exhaustive report. it's something we've known for a long time. we knew there were many foreign-related entities that were regularly staying at the trump hotel here in washington, d.c. this outlines their business

activities all around the world. >> brendan, we're going to get to the legal part of this in a second, but from a political perspective, is there something here, or more of the same in your mind? >> yeah, i think what ryan hit there at the end is what i'm left with. this is not surprising. if you would go down to the -- went down to the trump hotel, it was the star wars bar of people trying to influence the trump white house. was it completely stupid for him to allow this appearance of people influencing him of having a business and not divesting, of course. but i'm frankly surprised it's not more. i think that this report is somewhat weak sauce to be honest. yes, you should not allow yourself to have the appearance of people influencing them, but this is people buying hotel rooms. you're putting me in a tough spot here, chris. i don't ever like to defend donald trump. i think this is clearly an effort from democrats to run interference against what republicans are accusing joe

biden of. i don't think they're at all the same thing, and to be clear they haven't proven anything against joe biden. i struggle to see anything that really is going to have a bombshell effect for donald trump. people know wis and how he's operated. me give you one example, and i'm not going to pretend it came out a few hoursago, but this one thing i thought was worth bringing up,brendan. in novembef 2016, hainan airlines, which is a chine owned state airline began a 14-month stay at trump international in las vegas. they spent nearly $200,000 there. its parent company was lobbying the trump administration to acquire u.s. companies at that time, so not a couple of case, not a couple of weeks. 14 months, hundreds of thousands of dollars, while they're trying to get something from the administration. is that okay? >> no, it's not, and they should never have allowed themselves to be in a position where someone could do something like this. they should have -- he should have divested. he should have figured out some

way to put guard rails in place. him being donald trump, he didn't do it. this report would be much more explosive if they had some evidence that some of those people got something out of this. people spend all kinds of crazy stupid money to try to influence the administration. whether there was actually any quid pro quo here would be really interesting, but i don't know that they've nund. >> found that. >> i think that is a good point. even if trump is shown to have taken money from foreign entities, would the next logical proof need to be there was quid pro quo. his son eric points out that the chinese bank mentioned in the report had signed a 20-year lease in 2008. they paid the going rate and no president was tougher on china than donald trump. is this a first step that needs a second step? >> yeah, chris, that's a great point. yes, the next step, the next sort of evidentiary development that might be necessary would be a quid pro quo. donald trump made some really good bank as president from

foreign governments and he made it in violation of the constitution. however, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a criminal act. if he was doling out favors in exchange for that money that he was getting unconstitutionally from foreign governments, then you might see criminal conduct. even though i'm a career prosecutor and, when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail, when i quickly skimmed this very lengthy report. there's no criminal conduct that jumps out. but it's a shame that we say it's not very explosive, that all we've learned is that donald trump made nearly $8 million in profits unconstitutionally from foreign governments in violation of the emoluments clause, which says a president cannot accept money or gifts from foreign governments unless he obtains the consent of congress and he didn't. i know we are in a post-irony, post-hypocrisy world these days.

when the republicans are forever scrutinizing hunter biden's profits from foreign countries, you know, this money wasn't pouring into the eric trump hotel or the don jr. hotel. it was pouring into donald trump's hotels, his properties, and it sure appears as representative raskin puts in th forward of this report, that donald trump violated the emoluments clause of the constitution. >> letead something from this report, quote, arm 1, section 9, clause 8 of the constitution forbids the president to accept money, payments, or gifts of any kind whatever from foreign governments and monarchs unless he obtains the consent of congress to do it. it is absolutely unconstitutional what he did? >> yeah, and i will quote representative raskin in the forward to this report, which is appropriately titled white house for sale. he said donald trump violated both the clear commands of the

constitution and careful precedence set and observed by every former commander in chief, every former president. you know, it feels like this is clearly unconstitutional conduct, but chris, you started with the exact right question in your lead-in. what is congress going to do about it? because it doesn't look like it's a matter for the department of justice or the courts, and what congress is contemplating we see from the report is at least coming up with some new disclosure requirements for presidents, so other presidents can't get away with what donald trump seems to have gotten away with. >> is there any precedent here, ryan, have we see any kind of similar cases in the past with presidents? >> no, and i think that's part of the reason that democrats are kind of screaming about this report from the rooftops is that when you compare the conduct of previous presidents and previous administrations, there's nothing as brazen as what we saw donald trump do in terms of continuing to conduct all of his businesses

wh serng as president and then having these foreign govern of which he was racting with as president be some of the biggest patrons of his various anie and you know, to glen's point, this would normally be the situation that would be remedied if donald tr w still in office with an impeachment inquiry, and then a conviction in the senate. it would really be a political exercise in terms of the violation of the constitution. it really becomes a public relations effort by democrats. they want to get this out on the record. they want to show the substantive information that they've collected to demonstrate that they believe he's in violation of the emoluments clause and then also tell voters that should he be reelected again, he probably will continue to be brazenly in violation of the emoluments clause without any sort of consequence. house democrats are in a position here where that's really all they can do because they're in the minority, they're very frustrated that house

republicans won't extend the investigation and allow them to get the full breadth of the four years that donald trump was in office so that they could collect even more information, but that's something house republicans just simply aren't interested in right now. >> ryan nobles, thank you so much. glenn kirschner, brendan buck, don't go anywhere. new details on the breaking news out of perry, iowa, the community reeling from a school shooting, what we know when we're back in 60 seconds. e know we're back in 60 seconds for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn.

we are following that breaking news on a tragic school shooting this morning in perry, iowa. the shooter, who may have been a student, is dead from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. that's according to multiple law enforcement officials. at least three others were injured including two students and an administrator. nbc's ali vitali is on the ground in perry for us, also with me fbi supervisor, former member of the fbi's hostage rescue team and founder of sierra one consulting, rob

d'amico. we know this happened just before school started. this is the first day back from winter break. what do we know about what happened here. >> reporter: all of this happened several hours ago, and i'll tell you, chris, from the time that we got on scene this morning up until now this afternoon, we've been able to move closer to the school. there have been less law enforcement presence here on the ground. we're expecting another update from them to hear what more of their hard facts are around this later this afternoon. we'll of course come to you with that when we have it. i can also tell you now that i've been around in this community, everyone here is talking about this. when we were at one of the local businesses a couple came up to us and said they were just bringing food to the high school because they wanted to be able to support the law enforcement officials and any members of the community that are here trying to put the pieces back together here at the high school, and then of course we're also hearing from parents, some of them who i'm meeting at local businesses, others who i met right here as they were getting back together reunifying with

their families. listen to what one mother told me about her experience this morning. >> what was it like getting that phone call? >> actually, it was a text message this morning from my daughter, and it was absolutely horrifying. one of the worst moments of my entire life, but the best phone call i got was saying they were okay. >>. did you ever think it would happen in a place like perry? >> not one bit. i moved here seven years ago and i never thought perry would have an incident like this. >> isn't that the consistent thread we always hear. you've covered so many of these mass shootings, so have i. you always hear the parents, students, everyone say they never thought it could happen here. here we are, just a few days into the new year at the very start of the school year right after coming back from christmas break, this community just the latest in a string of trying to put things back together now. >> rob, we know that the atf and fbi are on the ground. we know this is a very active and fresh investigation.

what are officials doing right now? >> right now the safety part's over, so he killed himself so they can kind of slow it down and start taking a look at all the procedures, who's going to do what. atf and fbi are going to lend assistance on the evidence response team at the school. the police department is still in charge of the investigation, so the fbi is going to, again, volunteer all the computer side, the social media exploitation stuff, things that they're really good at and be able to provide that to the local investigators because right now you're going to start looking at what was the motive, what was the connection of the shooter back to the school. i guarantee there's one, and then start looking where there are signs. did people see this coming and not say something? not to fault anyone but really for lessons learned to see how could we have prevented this? how could we have done something? because unfortunately everyone has that, it's not going to happen here, but it does.

i've been through two where two of my children were at unc when i covered that live on the news. i knew they were safe at the time but everyone thinks it's not going to happen. really taking a look at could something have been said to maybe have prevented this. >> yeah, there's another common thread here, and it is, i think, two main questions that i've heard over the years from family, from friends, and i should say from victims, not just people who may have been shot but there's a real victimization of people who experience this, especially if you're a school kid, the long-term impact is a lot. but to those two questions, one is the motive, and the second one is the details around it, could this have been prevented. what can we put in place to make sure this doesn't happen ultimy to get that answer to why and how do we stop it? >> without the shooter being alive, it's going to be a

forensic, talking to parents and relatives, talking to friends, looking at social media, all kinds of things, search warrants on the phone and the computers, i'm sure those have been written out now. they probably secured the scene of where the house was. one, you also want to make sure it's safe because some active shooters actually booby trap their locations knowing that the police would come there so it'd be kind of a two, four type of thing. they secure it remotely and then make sure everyone's safe. but interviewing people, looking at the forensics of the computer, the phone, and whatnot to determine can we determine a motive. >> i want to thank both of you. i just got some notes from the white house press briefing andly read the comments from press secretary karine jean-pierre who says our hearts break for the families of yet another senseless gun violence and grateful for the first responders. she said it's only the fourth day in the new year and we're already facing yet another horrific school shooting.

we ask when will enough be enough. schools should be safe places. we need to keep schools. we need to keep our communities safe. karine jean-pierre adding we need congress to make changes for gun reform. finally, we have to do something. we will continue to keep our eye on what's happening in perry, and obviously as we get more updates from officials we will bring them to you. now for the first time hundreds of pages of court documents tied to convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein are being made public, several high profile names from politicians to celebrities are mentioned in the more than 900 pages released last night. we should note most of them have been previously reported, and more pages are expected to be released at any time. the documents are from a civil suit filed by epstein accuser virginia giuffre. giuffre's attorney tells nbc news these documents only begin

to scratch the surface. >> we learn more each time about how this sophisticated trafficking operation happened for so many decades and how many people were involved. it was vast. it was significant, and it harmed literally hundreds of young women. >> nbc's tom winter is following this story very closely for us. talk about some of these high profile names. that's what gets people's attention, tom. but what does it mean that they're in there, and give us your overall sense of these new pages. >> i kind of liken it to my phone book where i have mafia hitmen and convicted killers in there. it doesn't mean i'm friends with them and doesn't mean i did anything wrong. there's no evidence that they've done anything wrong including some of the high profile former politicians. on the other hand, they did keep jeffrey epstein's company and spent time with him. did they see anything, did they suspect anything. those are questions we don't really know. it's also important not to draw conclusions where the documents don't support any.

so yes, to your point, definitely the big names are in play here. we've talked about them. we've known about them, and we've known about them prior to these 942 pages becoming public last night. i think an important thing for people to remember is that some of these names fit in with some of the way that jeffrey epstein operated. we know this from either the indictment and from some of the testimony from some of the women against him prior to him dying by suicide along with ghislaine maxwell's trial that we had in the weeks of testimony we received there. there is no question based on the testimony of these girls that epstein liked to use these names. i know this person. i got off the phone with this person. those are very impressionable things to say to underage women that you have power over, and they're also ways to intimidate individuals. that's where i think with respect to this place that comes into play. another thing that we saw throughout these documents is just how thorough that palm beach police investigation was, and it continues to raise

questions all these years later as to why he got the deal that he did from state and federal prosecutors, and that really is one of the enduring questions to the extent that any of that might come out in these documents and it might not because of the way this case was brought about, the civil case and the reason why we're getting these documents, i think that would remain most helpful. >> do we know how much is still out there that may be made public? >> we don't know. we know there's a significant amount according to attorneys and we're going to continue to stay on top of it. >> tom winter, thank you. today is the deadline for the legal battle over who can be on the colorado primary ballot. we will dive into what that means for former president donald trump politically and legally. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. watching reports" only on msnbc

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donald trump is now officially calling on the supreme court to keep him on the colorado ballot, an issue that state officials had initially said needed to be decided by today. that won't happen, but trump's appeal puts evenure on the court to take up the case. his filing argues that colorado's state supreme court had no right to b him from the primary ballot, and quoting the gettysburg address said in our system of government of the people, by the people, and for the people, colorado's ruling is not and cannot be correct. the big question whether the court will actually take the

case could come as -- an answer could come as early as tomorrow when the justices hold one of their regular meetings. trump attorney alina habba said this week they are confident the constitution is on their side, but then alleged without evidence, that the justices might put politics above the law. >> republicans are conservative. they get nervous. they unfortunately are sometimes shy away from being pro-trump because they feel that even if the law is on our side, they may appear to be swayed much like the democratic side would do, right? so they're trying so hard to look neutral. sometimes they make the right call. >> i want to bring in nbc's garrett haake following this from d.c. back with me brendan buck and glenn kirschner. gif us the latest on trump's appeal and this time line. >> the great irony is there are a lot of folks who would like to see trump kicked off ballots who are worried about the same thing from the conservative justices

on the court appoint bid donald trump. on this appeal, you outlined kind of the capital d, democratic questions that the appeal raises, the idea that it could be state election officials or in this case the colorado supreme court that is choosing whom voters might be able to select for president rather than the voters themselves. that's kind of the broad argument this appeal makes. they argue that trump was not an official of the u.s. as president. the language of the 14th amendment doesn't list the presidency specifically, and they argue there was no insurrection for him to have been a part of. they don't think january 6th counted. they say he's never been convict order charged of any such thing so this whole thing needs thrown out. to that end, those ballots are about to be printed heauite soon and about to be starting to get s out across the state of colorado and across the country or overseas rather to military voters. colorado conducts all of its elections by mail.

trump stays on the ballot unless the supreme court agrees he gets kicked off. trump is on and we are waiting to see if the supreme court will take this up and what they'll do with it. >> glen, we know the main case is still working its way through the state courts. but assuming it makes its way to the supreme court, are both of these cases asking the high court to rule on essentially the same questions? >> essentially at their core, they are seeking a ruling that donald trump in essence can't be disqualified, really under any circumstances by any state election officials. but that sort of runs contrary to the reality that our constitution provides the 50 states have the authority to pass their own election laws, promulgate their own election regulations and rules, and people will observe. they're wildly inconsistent,

that is our constitutional construct. it has to do with the separation of federal power versus state power. i was surveying some of the requirements to get your name on a presidential primary ballot in some of the states. one example, new jersey requires a thousand signatures. new mexico requires 18,479 signatures. i'm not sure why, it's a percentage of a certain population. people will observe that's wildly inconsistent, and the answer to that is yes. the states are entitled to come up with their own election laws and procedures. does that mean the supreme court will turn away this challenge, not sort of put their fingers in the election pie? i think they're likely to accept review of the case, but if they're honest brokers of the law, and the word if is doing heavy lifting in that sentence, i think what they should do is maybe talk about their interpretation of the word insurrection in section 3 of the 14th amendment, what it means,

and then turn it back to the states to allow the states to use their 50 different laws and procedures to determine if donald trump given the definition the supreme court sets out should be qualified or diskwft from the ballot. >> brendan, let me go back to what we heard from alina habba that the court might rule against them. do you think it's a legitimate concern that no matter what they decide, it's going to be portrayed as a political decision rather than a legal one. is that where we are right now? >> yeah, certainly, i think the supreme court has jumped across that line, everything is politicized whether they intend it to be or not. i obviously take her comments as some strange effort of working the refs. i don't know that that's really going to have any real impact. but donald trump seems to do really well when on its face bad things happen. the fact that this is even being challenged, you would think would be a problem for him, but

once again he's only using this to his advantage. i hope that those supreme court justices in colorado truly believe what they are doing and i hope that the maine secretary of state truly believes they are doing the right thing here because this is actually only helping donald trump. there's no question that this is wind in his sails. it once again makes him the victim, lets him dominate stories again. i'm sure he's happy to have this issue be talked about in the news for the next few days because his opponents in the primary who are trying to defeat him in less than two wee have no real answer to it. i don't think that the c is certainly politicized, b i think he's okay with the politics here right now. >> there'shis new poll out, brendan, by "the washington post" anirsity of maryland, 25% of the americans believe in the conspiracy theory bi operatives organized and encouraged the january 6thing attack on the capitol. that includes 34% of republicans, 44% of trump

voters. when you have that many people, not a majority, but a lot of people who don't even believe basic facts about what happened, what's your level of optimism that any decision the court makes can be looked at going forward as a legitimate ruling? i mean, there's one part of it about what the country accepts, right? there's another part about an institution that is part of the constitution and at the top of the judiciary, you have the supreme court. >> you're hitting on one of the most fundamental challenges to our entire democracy right now, people not being able to agree on basic facts. i mean, i get asked all the time, you know, people how they can support donald trump, and i mean, some of these -- a lot of people who are donald trump supporters sort of understand who he is and don't really mind that, you know, he may -- he may be a bad guy. there are a lot of people who

get their news, who understand things in a completely different prism. i think what's happening with being removed from the ballot ss a great example. imagine how this story is being -- as an effort by a few elite in that case small place to take out donald trump. that he is the victim. it's not surprising there's conspiracy theories out there, but i think people are a little blind to how much of our population get their information through places that make it very difficult to have honest conversations about everything. it filters through everything, our supreme court, congress, basic fundamental politics are poisoned by people not being able to understand what's real and what's not. >> we have less than a minute i want to ask you this very quickly, glen. what do you think back as we look at 2024's election, it was going to be seen as one shaped by the supreme mbe beyond what we saw in 2000. >> yeah and i only hope that the

supreme court will try to divorce itself from all politics and from a concern about public reaction. when we discuss rightfully so that so much of the american public sort of doesn't have trust and faith and confidence in our institutions of government anymore, that feels like a thing that came into existence during the trump era. it's so problematic because ultimately we're all going to have to live by and abide by whatever it is the supreme court sets out as precedent. of course we can still work to change it at the polls through our elected officials. let's hope they can divorce politics out of it. let's hope they're honest brokers of the law, and let's hope they conclude that insurrection is what it says it is and the office of the presidency is indeed an office of government from which someone can be disqualified if they engage in insurrection. >> glenn kirschner, brendan buck, thank you so much. we'll be continuing this

conversation with colorado's secretary of state jenna griswold will join us our next hour. the u.s. secretary of state is heading to israel again as the world braces for a potential second front in the war with hamas. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc estion and stomach pain. talk to your doctor about nurtec today.

. secretary of state antony blinken heads to the middle east today in another whirlwind democratic trip.

it will include a stop in israel, his fourth since the start of this brutal war as fears mount. the israeli army chief says his forces are in a very high state of readiness on the lebanese border as hezbollah vows to retaliate after the death of a top commander killed in an air strike. inside gaza the tragedies of war captured in this heartbreaking scene out of rafa, a father weeping over the body of his small child killed as fighting intensifies in the south. another father there tells reuters, quote, there is no safety. we're scared. i swear my children are scared and say to me, dad, we're out in the open. i tell them, god help us, where can we go. matt bradley reports from tel aviv, and aaron david miller. matt is the latest fears that

this war could escalate? >> reporter: the fact is there have been fears this war could escalate ever since october 8th the day after hamas launched their terror attack into israel. october 8th was the day after that terror attack when we first started see hezbollah, which like hamas is backed by iran launching rockets into northern israel. the pace and the threat from that conflict over the border between israel where i am now and lebanon has only increased over the past several months and we've also seen other elements of this iran-backed so-called axis of resistance participating in this fight. we've seen the houthis in yemen, that's an insurgent group within yemen who's backed by iran and they've been taking shots at shipping and other assets in the red sea. we've seen the u.s. deploying their own naval assets to fight against that. iran has since deployed a bat battleship or a warship to

provide a deterrent in the red sea against american escalation in the red sea. we've also seen iran-backed groups in syria firing into israel and firing against american targets in syria and iran backed groups in iraq firing against american targets. today we saw that the americans fired against an iran-backed group in iraq. so we're seeing what looks like an escalation, not just between the gazans and between israel, but also region wide, and we're seeing for the first time this iran-backed axis of resistance. we're seeing different disparate groups in different countries throughout the region firing at american and israeli targets. that's why we're seeing this threat escalate so much, and we've heard that from the white house too. matt miller said at the state department briefing just today, he talked about the warnings and the risks of a regional escalation. here's what he said. >> i would say the risk is real.

the concern is high. it has always been real and the concern has always been high, and that's why the tempo of activity you have seen from this administration to try to lower the risk of widespread regional conflagration has also been high from the beginning. >> reporter: again, chris, what we've been talking about is a threat, a risk that has existed from the beginning of this latest conflict. it has been a quiet and growing drum beat in the background of the war in the gaza strip, but right now just in the the past three days with explosions and assassinations in beirut, in lebanon, in iran, and iraq, the risk is increasing. it is really quite threatening right now, and that's why we're seeing more u.s. diplomats being deployed to the region to try to temper down this anger that really could see the war here in israel and gaza spill over into a region-wide conflagration. that's something that nobody wants. chris. >> matt bradley, thank you for

that. aaron, nobody wants the region-wide conflagration, how high do you see the risk of that happening? >> we're in the third month of this war, and the the prospect of a regional war has always been out there. recent events incluing israel's strike against hamas's deputy leader in beirut today, yesterday an american drone strike against a pro-iranian iraqi head in baghdad, the houthis. nonetheless, my own sense is that iran and hezbollah are still not prepared to push the envelope to the point with you end one a regional escalation. let's be clear what we're talking about. talking about a major war between hezbollah and israel in which the israelis in response

to the 150,000 to 200,000 high trajectory weapons that hezbollah is capable of launches against israel will likely preempt and/or respond with massive attacks against lebanese infrastructure. we're talking about hundreds, if not thousands of deaths on the lebanese side of the border and probably hundreds of deaths on the part of israelis and a two-front war which could involve the united states and direct attacks between israel and iran and the u.s. against iran. i don't foresee that. concern and worry, absolutely. i've been worried since october 8th, but nonetheless, i think iran and hezbollah have still not reached the point where pushing this -- and they are pushing, but pushing this to a situation in which they would force a massive israeli and u.s. response i don't think were there.

>> fechb it doesn't get to the point of a massive response, aaron, for the hostage's families, every day is not just agony but escalating fear that the longer this goes on the more it escalates, the chances of their loved ones coming home alive diminishes. is that the horrible reality they're facing? >> it is, and it's been one of the moral and ethical dilemmas certainly for the current governor of israel, which is sort of trapped between their commitment to preventing another terror surge, october 7th, which cost the live of 12 to 1,300 israelis. their commitment to the dead on one hand and the commitment to redeem the living on the other. the longer this goes on out of 129 hostages that recent statement from the prime minister of israel's office suggests that 20 of them may no longer be living, either

murdered by hamas in captivity or died as a consequence of the kpij psys and pressures of captivity. frankly, i see no way out. >> aaron david miller, always good to have you on the program. thank you. millions of people are right in the path of what could be the first major winter storm of the season, where we could see a decent amount of snow for the first time in two years. amount first time in two years. agility. (jen) that's enterprise intelligence. (vo) it's your vision, it's your verizon. oh booking.com, ♪ i'm going to somewhere, anywhere. ♪ ♪ a beach house, a treehouse, honestly i don't care. ♪ hello, humidity! ♪ a fancy hotel with a sexy gardener, ♪ landscape architect! ♪ a tiny home with aggressive flair. ♪ ♪ somewhere, anywhere. ♪ ♪ as long as they have child caaare. ♪ ♪ chorus: mama deserves a vacation. ♪ booking.com, booking dot...

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president biden's first major campaign event of the year is going to have to happen a little earlier than planned because a huge winter storm is expected this weekend. biden had planned to mark three years since the january 6th attack on the capitol on saturday, which is the anniversary but there is that massive coast-to-coast storm expected to hit the northeast this weekend. it could bring the first substantial snow in two years to places like washington, d.c., philadelphia, and new york city. now he's going to give the speech tomorrow. msnbc meteorologist bill karins has the latest storm forecast for us. what are we expecting? >> a lot of snow disappointment. especially the i-95 corridor. it's not panning out for a big snow event. it's estimated 52 million people live between washington, d.c. and boston along i-95 and those are the areas that have the, you know, the forecast seems to be getting worse and worse, if you

don't want snow. 4 million people under advisories. later today, the winter storm watches will go up in areas of the northeast. here's the snow forecast over the next four days. it shows you in general where snow can fall. it's falling in areas, four corners, headed through new mexico. later tonight, it will push through the planes. once it gets to the east coast come saturday, that's when we'll see heavier stuff. that's some of the areas that haven't had snow this winter. it's a big deal, on the weekend, people can play in it more. the best chance of the really heavy stuff in the purple. moderate means plowable. the white is light. new york to philly to d.c. to the coast, probably nothing at all. my first call of snow forecast, i've left at least a chance of an inch for d.c. and philadelphia and new york, but it may be one of those things where it's only on the grass or possibly the car tops. once you get a few miles inland, cold enough for the snow to accumulate, the cat skills,

someone could get a foot of snow. it's been a miserable season, and the same for southern vermont, a good chance of snow there. boston is probably the hardest forecast. it's probably going to be very tight gradient, someone could get up to 10 inches not far outside of boston. once you get to logan at the airport where it's warmer, probably a little bit less. the other thing you have to be careful of saturday afternoon and evening, this is all ice forecast. we could see a mini ice storm and potential isolated power outages, especially from asheville to boone, heading up just outside of roanoke here, adding up to the higher terrain. just enough cold air with the rain falling for a freezing rain event. we haven't had any this winter to talk about. the timing of the mess, let's take this and show you coast-to-coast. today, tonight, wichita, friday, in the south, just rain. looks like saturday, probably around 1:00, washington, d.c. gets the snow. new york city, it will wait probably until about 7:00 p.m. saturday. >> i'm thinking. >> thinking?

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