faster and faster. the teen, believed to be the first to beat the game, so historic, the ceo of tetris calling it a feat that defies all preconserceived limits of t game. he said it took a lot of practice. the win dedicated to his dad who died in december. >> i'm dedicating it to my dad. he was supportive. i think he would be proud. >> reporter: tearing down an icon brick by brick. >> yes! >> reporter: a game-breaking victory just falling into place. steve patterson, nbc news. >> cool kid. well deserved. that does it for us. thanks so much for joining. you hope you have a wonderful weekend. see you back here monday morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. in meantime, more coverage right from. right now, former president trump returns to iowa for a

weekend of campaign rallies to try and fire up his base ahead of the caucus there. president biden travels to the valley forge area, home to george washington's war encampment, to deliver a speech on america's democracy, marking three years since the capitol insurrection on january 6. secretary blinken overseas for high-stakes diplomacy, with tensions flaring throughout the middle east. a new u.s. drone strike in iraq calls for revenge from hezbollah. all as the idf is pressed by nbc on civilian casualties in gaza. ♪♪ good to be with you. andrea mitchell is on assignment traveling with secretary of state antony blinken in the

middle east. it's january 5, 2024. president biden is beginning his campaign season, heading to valley forge where soldiers trained to fight for the new promise of america. using the historical site to warn voters that donald trump is dangerous, a threat he says to that idea of america, to our democracy. just remember what happened three years ago when he tried to violate an unbroken chain of peaceful handovers started more than 225 years ago by president washington. democracy can't risk trump again, president biden is expected to say. meanwhile, in iowa, it seems the threat of donald trump is at least starting to hit home on the gop campaign trail. ron desantis finally went after the former president. perhaps finally realizing that donald trump is the frontrunner. >> trump has always been leading

in the race. he is the former president. he is one of the most fame -- >> you are not the top challenger. >> i'm the only one that has a chance to beat trump and win the general election. >> do you think donald trump is not pro life? >> of course not. when you say pro life protections are a terrible thing by definition you are not pro life. he flip-flopped on this issue. how do you flip-flop on something like the sanctity of life? >> ali vitali joins us from des moines, iowa. good to have you. this is a notable change from ron desantis. >> reporter: it's a notable change but perhaps it's him real realizing the reality. trump is still continuously with a comfortable lead ahead of the track. that's true nationally and here in iowa and in new hampshire. what we have been seeing in recent weeks is the fact that nikki haley is making the most of her surge in the polls and on

the ground. that's why we are seeing the former president start to train his sights on haley, trying to blunt her rise just as he did for desantis. this is also a state now that just in the last 24 hours is the latest place to experience the cruel sting of gun violence. another mass shooting yesterday in perry, iowa, just as kids had gone back to school after winter break. that now puts gun violence at the center of the conversation. candidates yesterday asked about what they would do to stop mass shooting in this country. both haley and desantis citing the need for mental health and bolstering school safety but not mentioning guns themselves. when you and i talked yesterday when i was covering the mass shooting at perry high school, we both talked about the idea that we have been in this place so many times and yet we have not seen republican candidates take seriously the issue of

guns. clearly after the latest incident, that hasn't changed. >> yeah. it's not surprising. ali vitali, let me ask you about nikki haley and what she's doing in the state of iowa, especially after she said that iowa didn't really matter as much as new hampshire. >> reporter: it was a pretty cringe moment, i have to say, last night. haley was asked about the comment she made to new hampshire voters where she said that iowa decides something and then new hampshire corrects it. it was something that she was faced with in front of an iowa crowd who seemed to give a hearty oh when she was asked about it. she said she was joking around. but that's something they take seriously. we will see what the impact is, if anything. >> thank you very much. more on that cringe moment that ali discussed a moment ago. in an interview with nbc news and the des moines register, desantis is going after haley,c

implied new hampshire mattered more than iowa. >> you know iowa starts it. you know that you correct it. you know that you continue to go -- >> i think it's a slap in the face to iowans. >> if i didn't love iowa, i wouldn't keep coming. if we're going to have fun, i'm going to say something funny tomorrow about south carolina or new hampshire. >> she's phony. she's trying to be relatable but doesn't get iowa. >> let's bring in brendan buck, former advisor to boehner and ryan. let's talk nikki haley and ron desantis. what are they doing right now? could we see something change in the next 11 days? i know the polls say donald trump is the frontrunner.

are you sure he is going to continue to be the frontrunner after iowa and new hampshire? >> iowa has a history of moving around late. you wouldn't want to rule anything else. the problem is that unlike most candidates, trump's supporters are very dedicated to him. that's the big problem whether you are talking about in iowa or if one of the people has a good showing and comes in a strong second. you leave iowa, you leave new hampshire and hope to create momentum. you want to make people believe there's a pathway to win. the people who are supporting trump are never going to support somebody else. it's difficult to see a lot of erosion, whether in iowa over the next 11 days or coming out of there. can someone create excitement and enthusiasm that will shake lose anything? they are not close. when you are down 30 points, you need something seismic to

happen. it seems unlikely to happen at this point. >> what's interesting is we are seeing nikki haley start to drum up more support, at least in the state of new hampshire. so much so that donald trump is actually starting to go after her. i wonder, does that say anything to you that he is starting to target her? does that mean they see her as a potential threat? >> probably. i think they are very capable of taking care of that. she has risen over the last few months with the benefit of donald trump largely ignoring her. ali mentioned something about this earlier. remember when ron desantis was on the rise -- he was head to head with donald trump for a while. that all ended when donald trump started taking swings at desantis, knocked him down and basically a bunch of knockout punches. desantis couldn't figure out how to swing back. donald trump is more than capable of taking nikki haley down a peg. going after your opponent works. it's what these folks have

figured out at the last minute, that they need to go on offense. donald trump knows that very well. they see her as getting too close for comfort. if they turn on the donald trump attack machine, he will be able to win easily in new hampshire as well. >> not to talk about this as a horse race, let me ask you specifically about the differences in policy. what would a nikki haley presidency look like many -- in comparison to donald trump? >> nikki haley would like to return to a more traditional republican party. she won't be so anti-immigrant. the biggest difference, she would bring back civility and less chaos. someone who wouldn't be indicted on 90 something counts. they are dramatically difference. the biggest problem is i don't know this is a party that wants to go back to the traditional republican party that she represents. people are less of a policy party, more on emotion.

donald trump just stirs the emotion in a way that republican voters like. >> let me ask you the same about ron desantis. he tried to make that comparison in terms of the way he composed himself as president against donald trump. he said he would never have to be ashamed of the way that he acts. you could tell kids to look up to him and use him as a role model. in terms of policy though, what does a ron desantis presidency look like? is it closer to policies that donald trump was enacting when he was president? >> i think ron desantis is more populist than nikki haley. there may not be -- the pitch that ron desantis was trying to make was that i will give you the same policies as donald trump. i will close down the border. i will be strict on trade. but i won't be crazy is the underlying message. i don't know it's that different. the problem is that if you like donald trump policies, you are just going to vote for donald trump. the sanity argument keeps

falling on deaf ears. maybe he figured that out at the end. it was unappealing. he never excited anybody by basically saying, i will give you what you want but in a less exciting way. >> it seems abundantly strange to me that we are going about this primary race, in the beginning of it, in the same way we went about the 2016 race where all of the republican candidates pretended like donald trump didn't exist and he would go away and they were fighting amongst themselves. the same thing again. donald trump is not going away. only now one is trying to go after donald trump in some direct way. other than chris christie, of course. brendan buck, thank you very much. coming up, making the case. live to pennsylvania with what president biden is doing near valley forge. what he is trying to show voters by associating himself with the site of one of george washington's most legendary sacrifices, that's next when we are back in 60 seconds. econds

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tomorrow marks three years since thousands of rioters stormed the united states capitol. this afternoon, president biden will mark that dark day with his first campaign speech of the year near valley forge. he will use the significance of the setting to remind the public that we are still in danger of donald trump. joining me now is mike memoli from blue bell, pennsylvania, near valley forge. if they want to make the illusion, why are they not in valley forge? >> reporter: we may see the president go closer to that actual site. as you know, there has been a lot of concern, a lot of frustration from democrats that we do not see president biden more regularly and more forcefully going after donald trump to talk about him as this threat to democracy.

what we are seeing today from the white house and from the biden campaign is a very clear illustration of their preferred approach here, which is to try not to engage in every single news cycle but to try to rise above it and to anchor these kinds of big moments in history. the president will be talking about the patriotism, the sacrifices of the continental army, 250 years ago, when they were here near valley forge during the revolutionary war, but to talk about the man who led them, george washington. the president will talk about the fact that washington, on multiple occasions, surrendered his commission to enter the presidency, not as a military commander but as a civilian. when he could have been president for life, voluntarily left office. this is in our country, you do not do whatever it takes to hold on to power. the power resides in the people.

they say he will be direct about january 6 and the role donald trump played in it. he will say, if any candidate running for president does not clearly reject political violence, they do not have business being in the office. this is the moment when the president will make that opening salvo as the campaign is calling did to start 2024 in a clear contrast to what they believe is his likely opponent. >> mike memoli, thank you very much. joining me now is kimberly atkins stohr and jim messina, former white house obama deputy chief of staff. thanks for being here. let me play president biden's campaign ad. we can discuss on the other side. >> i've made american democracy the central issue of my candidacy. i believe in the right to vote fairly and have your vote counted. there's something dangerous happening in america. there's an extremist movement

that does not share the basic beliefs in our democracy. all of us are being asked right now, what will we do to maintain our democracy? >> the criticism is that president biden hasn't gone after donald trump hard enough. he is doing so in this ad. what do you need to hear out of the speech today to feel like president biden is hitting that the way the democrats want him to? >> look i think it's a natural time to start to draw the contrasts. campaigns are contrasts. i used to tell president obama, if it's a referendum on the incumbent, the incumbent usually loses. president biden is going to be very clear on what donald trump did. why did joe biden beat donald trump the first time? voters got sick of the trump act, the chaos that brendan was talking about. they will remind voters of this

incredible contrast between a stable leader in joe biden and ask, do you want to go back to the dark day of january 6? >> not talking about it as strategy, political campaign efforts, but talking about it more as, what does the presidency look like under joe biden compared to the presidency under donald trump. can you draw that contrast for us? >> stability, calmness, not having to worry about the president of the united states getting 91 felony indictments, having our international partners understand what america wants, who america is and who we are. for voters, it's not having every day have the president say crazy stuff. it's very clear that voters don't want to go back to that. they need to be reminded of it. need to remind them in a way the campaign will start laying out.

>> i wonder how much they need to be reminded, not through president biden'sspeeches, but maybe tough donald trump speeches as they get more attention as the campaign kicks into gear. kimberly, he will hold a couple rallies in iowa. he has been out there, writing about trust and democracy. what has donald trump been saying about what he wants to do, what kind of president he wants to be a second time around? >> true to form, donald trump has been very clear about the kind of presidency he wants. it's about him. it's not about the american people. i'm sure that's one of the tones that president biden will try to strike today with this speech. he sees this as revenge.

it was a clear result of his rhetoric. jim is right, president biden says don't compare me to the almighty. compare me to the alternative. that's crucial. especially for young people. democracy is important to them. for young people who don't even remember 9/11, they don't understand what it means. point to voting rights, abortion access, to really bring that to a tangible right that is being -- that is imperiled. >> give them the lessons in the public sector. give them lessons through these campaign ads, the speeches. i think a lot of people -- a lot of kids, you get to a certain point in your senior year in

american history and sometimes -- when i was a high school kid, didn't get to jfk. that's how slow going the senior year history course was. i think it's very salient to note there's probably a gap in the most recent knowledge of history among young people. i learned about jfk after that. coming up later, a retired d.c. police officer, one of the heroes who defended the capitol, joins us. this just in, nbc news and the des moines register are interviewing former u.n. ambassador nikki haley as part of the candidate series, closing arguments. here is part of that discussion. >> you have been asked about your comments on slavery. we don't need to rehash that. there were critics that criticized your commends about having black friends. what do you say to people who

say you had challenges when it comes to talking about race and are worried about what that would mean for the general election? >> we were the only indian family in our small southern town. i was teased every day for being brown. anyone that wants to question it can go back and look at what i have said on how hard it was to grow up in the deep south as a brown girl. anybody can look at my record and see when walter scott was shot down by a dirty cop, how i made sure that the walter scott family didn't suffer because we put the first body camera bill in the country in place. anybody can look at the fact that when we had nine amazing souls die in mother emmanuel church, i did something no republican or democrat ever wanted to touch, which was call for the confederate flag to come down, because it would take two-thirds of the house and senate and it was impossible. i don't know what you are

implying. what i will tell you is, saying that i had black friends is a source of pride. saying that i had white friends is a source of pride. if you want to know who it was like growing up, i was disqualified from a beauty pageant because i wasn't white or black, they didn't know where to put me. i know the hardships, the pain that come with racism. it's the reason that i fight bullies every day when it comes to racism, anti-semitism or hate. i always will. if i didn't mention slavery on that day, it's because that is an automatic. there's always been -- the civil war has always been known about slavery. i misread it thought he was looking for a bigger answer going forward. critics can say whatever they want. i'm very comfortable in my skin. i'm very comfortable with what i believe in. my job is not to convince them. >> watch more of that joint nbc news and des moines register

interview on nbcnews.com/politics. secretary blinken returns to the middle east to face down a region on edge and foreign policy challenges for the white house. you are watching msnbc.

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to the region since the october 7th attacks. he is trying to calm an increasingly fractious atmosphere. attacks this week in the red sea, a u.s. strike in badad, the assassination of a top hamas official deep inside lebanon and twin suicide bombs in iran at a packed memorial celebration, each of those incidents prompting calls for revenge and retaliation against both israel and the united states. raf sanchez joins me from tel aviv. it feels like we are in another one of those very tense and very fraught moments of the war. >> reporter: absolutely. everywhere you look, the a hot spot. as you mentioned from iran to iraq to yemen to lebanon to gaza, here in israel. it's noteworthy that ahead of secretary blinken's arrival,

israel's defense minister for first time giving a detailed proposal about how he thinks gaza should be run on the other side of this war. it has a lot of different components, but at its core, he is suggesting that gaza should be more like the occupied west bank. israel's military will be in full security control of the entire gaza strip. the palestinians in some form will be allowed to run education, hospitals, but that the israeli military will ultimately be the authority in gaza. we should say, this is only a prop proposal. it's not official israeli policy. there's tension in the government between far right ministers, some calling for palestinians to be expelled from gaza, and more centrist ministers like the defense minister. the israeli military also signaling this is going to be a long war. that was a message that was repeated several times to me today when i sat down with the

chief spokesman for the idf. this was a conversation, relatively rare for him to speak to the foreign press. i asked him about data that appears to show israel's military has killed far more civilians, much faster than the american military did in mosul fighting against the islamic state terrorist group. listen to a little of that exchange. you can really tell the world you are taking care of palestinian civilians when you drop 2,000 pound drops in urban areas? >> it's not the right thing to do because mosul is not gaza. gaza has been built as a terror stronghold of hamas building more than 500 kilometers of tunnel system underneath hospitals, underneath schools,

underneath houses. >> are you showing less care than comparable militaries? >> we are showing in comparison that the most modern way to distinguish between civilians and terrorists, more than any other. >> i also asked him, how is it that three months into this war the israeli military has only rescued a single hostage alive inside of gaza? he said there have been a number of situations where the israeli military has known where hamas is holding hostages, but they decided not to launch rescue missions because they didn't believe they could get them out alive. i asked him about the three hostages killed by israeli troops. he said that was a painful mistake, that there are lessons being learned. we are hearing from the

political leader of hamas ahead of secretary blinken's trip here. he is saying he hopes the secretary will work towards ending the war in gaza. it's worth saying, secretary blinken is not going to meet directly with hamas, which the u.s. considers a terror group e. will meet with qatar and other nations in the middle that have lines of communication. >> thank you very much. joining me now is mark polamoropolous. it's good to have you. i will let you choose your own adventure here and tell me which hot spot is most concerning for you. >> one extraordinary challenge for secretary blinken -- the israeli military of defense said that there was -- this was a seven front conflict. you are right, where to begin? the area which causes me, as a former intelligence official,

the most concern in terms of the united states i yemen. that's because the houthis, which are iranian proxies, have continued attacks on maritime shipping. this is an area where 20% of the shipping around the globe goes through. there's certainly been an amazing response by the u.s. navy in almost playing a soccer goalie, knocking down drones and missiles. i think what we will see in the future is offensive u.s. action. we have not established any deterrence. when it comes to a group like the houthis, i think we have to have an application of violence against them in yemen to finally get the message. deterrence has to come to the forefront. it has not yet. that's the biggest challenge for the u.s. >> does the u.s. directly support what israel will likely start to do -- it has started with trying to assassination top hamas officials or any hamas officials around the region who

might be outside of gaza. we saw it happen in beirut. if it happens in qatar or turkey or anywhere else, what is the u.s. response? >> that's a great question. the israelis will be careful. we have seen in the past they will slowly and methodically hunt down those terrorists that have done them harm. they did it after the munich massacre. you will see that in the future. in terms of qatar, i don't expect anything happening there right now. they are integral in the hostage negotiations. in a place like turkey, that's an interesting place as well. does the u.s. condone this? probably yes. if you think about the strategy that we are asking the israelis to undertake, it's much less aerial bombardment against the gaza strip, which caused the cataroe on the humanitarian side, more targeted killings. this is something we will be

condoning. let's not forget the united states considers hamas a terrorist organization. many of the leaders are terrorists. there's u.s. blood on their hands as well. over 30 americans were killed on october 7th. >> one other question. this is on iran. the islamic state is taking credit for the twin bombings in iran at the memorial site of general soleimani. the u.s. has been not been able to verify that claim. why would i.s.i.s. target iran? why specifically this site of general soleimani? >> i.s.i.s. -- many people have forgotten or don't understand that i.s.i.s. are sworn enemies of the iranians. i.s.i.s. is a sunni extremist group. they believe the iranians are bad. there have been attacks before. these are sworn enemies. it's interesting how so many people thought this was the

israelis. it's not part of the israeli m.o. it just shows the challenges in this region that are extraordinary. the notion of miscalculation is so high here. >> thank you very much for joining us. it's the economy next. we will break down the stronger than expected december jobs report. its impact on 2024. how americans are feeling about the economy, maybe even an explanation why the bad vibes economy is so entrenched in the american psyche coming up next. , efficiencies, and greater agility. (jen) that's enterprise intelligence. (vo) it's your vision, it's your verizon. a force to be reckon with. no, not you saquon. hm? you! your business bank account with quickbooks money, now earns 5% apy. 5% apy? that's new! yup, that's how you business differently.

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another round of good news for the economy. the december jobs report is out. it shows employers added 216,000 jobs last month, beating expectations. the unemployment rate remains near record lows at 3.7%. joining me now is douglas holtz ekan. he served as chief economist of economic advisors and cbo director. good to have you. we ended 2023 in a strong place. does that mean that interest rates will come down this year? >> yes, but i don't expect anything very quickly. this was a good report. it wasn't a great report. if you look inside the 216,000, you will find about 50,000 are government jobs, which means

it's not a lot of strength in the private sector. it was concentrated in health and leisure and hospitality. you would like to have more broad-based strength in the report. it's true if you look at the household sector, the reason the unemployment rate didn't change is that about 670,000 people left the labor force. we lost 680,000 jobs. it's a little more mixed under the surface than the top line might make you think. having said that, inflation has come down remarkably quickly in 2023 going into 2024. the fed is not going to give up. it went from in its preferred measure inflation at 5.6. they have it to 3.2. they are two-thirds done. it took them 22 months to do the first two-thirds. i see them being very patient at the current stance throughout 2024. rates don't drop off quickly. perhaps by the end of the year. the issue is whether there's broad-based strength that keeps the economy growing.

we are starting to see a little spottiness in reports. >> are you optimistic or pessimistic? >> i'm in the middle. i'm torn. depends on what you get in the most recent data. maybe we will get through. maybe we're not. the real issue is this. we have had two quarters where business investment spending was flat. that's a key part of most business cycles. on the other hand, households carried the economy. that can't go on forever. in the good news story, businesses pick up and match. the bad news story, the household sector comes down to business levels. then we have poor growth. that's the key issue in the first half of the year. >> inflation is down, jobs numbers are pretty strong, wages are rising. people still don't feel great about the economy. we can put up the latest polling. this has been dogging president biden. i was listening to a conversation about this.

analysis they had was the problem americans are facing is that their groceries are still more expensive than they were. do you foresee grocery prices coming down? >> i think there's a simple explanation. that's part of it. the real key is this. people say, look, unemployment has been very low. the economy is doing great. what that means is that people are at work. but when they were working in 2021, they lost ground. in 2022, they lost ground. inflation was 1% higher than wage grown. in the second half of 2023 did they finally make up some of that. they worked really hard for two years and got further behind. they are not happy about that. it's going to take more progress to swing the needle the other way. >> it's not just an overnight fix. thank you very much. america remembers, my conversation with michael finone, one of the police officers who defended the capitol on january 6 ahead of

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three years ago, sitting in this seat, i watched alongside andrea mitchell as our nation's capitol was ransacked, windows broken, the senate and house chamber plundered and officers beaten by a violent mob of trump supporters who were told the election was stolen and that the

only way to keep our democracy was to, quote, fight like hell. it was clear even in the chaos of that moment that january 6 was a day that would change this country. i have been texting with a congressman. i asked if he is okay. he said he is okay now. i'm trying to get more information about what might have happened. that right there is an unbelievable and disturbing sight coming out of our capitol in washington, d.c. on a day where we should be doing something that's procedural. you can hear how frazzled my voice was in the moment. among the many officers attacked on that day was police officer michael fanone who almost died. retired officer fanone joins me. his book is "hold the line, the insurrection and one cop's battle for america's soul."

it has been three years. in the ensuing three years, a lot of what happened on that day, although it seemed clear in the moment, has gotten muddy from various people trying to retell the story to suit their own political needs. bring us back to the moment. remind us of what it was like. >> yeah. i think it's important that we take this anniversary to remember the severity of that day, the violence perpetrated by supporters of the former president, fuelled by his lies, directed to the capitol, who, like i said, attacked police officers like myself, putting more than 100 in the hospital, all in an attempt to subvert democracy, overturn a free and fair election and threaten the

lives of members of congress and their staff. >> now, as we embark on another election year where the man who incited all of that, who said you need to fight like hell is running for president again. he is currently the frontrunner for the gop nomination. what do you say to the man running against him, president biden, to try to keep it top of voters' memories what happened on that day, to not let it get swept under the rug? >> i mean, i will be honest, i disagree with this administration's handling of january 6. i think january 6 is the single most important event and issue that our president has to tackle during his administration,

preserving democracy. i think while speeches like today and some president biden has given in the past are filled with outrage and passion, those are things that need -- americans need to be reminded of that every single day, specifically younger voters, voters who may have been too young to even fully grasp what happened on january 6, that it was an orchestrated attack, that it involved the former president, his administration, his enablers, that it was intentional. they need to know what's at stake. it's the president of the united states' responsibility, it's joe biden's responsibility to let americans know what is at stake in this upcoming election. >> is it his responsibility alone? >> no, it's not his responsibility alone.

ultimately, it is everyone's responsibility, everyone that cares about democracy. we all have a part to play in securing democracy for future generations in this country. that being said, the president is the commander in chief. i would like to see him fight harder against donald trump and maga extremist agenda in this country. >> michael fanone, thank you very much for joining us today. we appreciate it. >> thank you. an obstacle course, the top legal challenges facing the former president.

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donald trump's attorneys are trying to bring his election interference trying in d.c. to a complete stop. they're asking a judge to hold special counsel jack smith and his prosecutors in contempt for providing discovery materials and filing motions ahead of deadlines. the former president's lawyers argue smith is required to stop while an appeals court considers trump's contention that he is immune from prosecution. that immunity will be argued in court on tuesday of next week, and donald trump says he plans to be there in person. joining us now former u.s. attorney and law professor joyce

vance along with "washington post" national political correspondent ashley parker. joyce, why does jack smith have to stop filing motions? >> well, typically, katie when an appeal is underway like this, a pretrial appeal, it divests jurisdiction from the district court, which means no further proceedings can be held there. so technically jack smith is probably out of order in continuing to file, but this isn't the sort of issue that gives rise to contempt proceedings. the judge can simply tell him to knock it off until jurisdiction is returned to her court. >> so why would he do it though is this he presumably knows this. >> it's political showsmanship. this is sort of a pr stunt on trump's part trying to say that jack smith isn't playing by the rules. it's a little bit like an offsides call in football -- >> wait, hold on, let me rephrase. why would jack smith be doing it if he knows he's not supposed to be doing it right now?

>> i'm sorry. i mistook the question. >> that's okay. >> i think smith had an argument to offer for why he was entitled to do this. he is frustrated by all of the delays that the trump camp is engaging in. he wants to make sure that the case is on track for trial, and that trump can't go to court after the appeal and say to the district judge we now need more time to complete discovery. so smith is trying to uphold his end of the bargain and hoping that the court will permit him to do that. >> got it. okay. ashley, he's going to show up, donald trump that is, to the immunity hearing next week. we saw him a lot during his civil fraud trial, which by the way, the closing arguments, even though the cases wrapped last month, the closing arguments happen next thursday which is a delayed time line. why is he going to show up for this immunity case? why is this as important to him as the civil fraud trial? >> well, what's important to note, as you would think there's a campaign and then there are these various pieces that the

former president is facing, but at this point in part by design, by trump by his campaign, they have become inextricably bound, and so the 2024 campaign in many ways because of these charges the former president the's facing against him are playing out in the courtroom. so in a lot of ways, trump believes that what he does and says in the courtroom and around these pieces is just as relevant and just as important as what he says or does at a rally in iowa or new hampshire. >> is it partially because he's not being taken live on air as much as he used to, that he's not getting the free air time from the campaign rallies and this is a way to get in front of all these cable news networks? >> as you and i both know, katy, trump is someone who craves the spotlight, craves the attention, craves national media and cameras as much as he demonizes us it so there is one element.

but it's worth noting that politically there's a chance that this could backfire. that's frankly what the biden campaign is counting on. they're frustrated right now that they say, you know, when it becomes a binary choice, they think that they will do well against trump, and they are frustrated that it is not quite a binary choice yet. he is in the forefront of our minds because we cover him and report on him every day, but for most voters, trump being removed from the news allows them to forget some of the chaos, to forget a lot of the things they didn't like about him, and so trump may like being in the spotlight, but you know who else likes it? president biden and his team. >> all right, joyce, we have a minute left. can you give us a very short preview of what you expect in the immunity hearing next week? >> right. so i think what will happen in the immunity hearing at bottom is this. trump's position that he's a king, that he can never be held accountable for anything he did as president will be exposed for

what it is. i think that we'll get a fairly quick decision from the circuit denying his motion to dismiss the criminal prosecution based on presidential immunity. >> joyce vance, thank you very much, very concise as asked, ashley parker, thank you as well. and that is going to do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports" follow the show on social media. andrea is on a trip with secretary of state antony blinken in the middle east. also, you can catch me at 3:00 p.m. eastern. i will be right back here in this chair, but don't go anywhere because "chris jansing reports" starts right now. ♪♪ good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. presidential campaigns are always a fight for the future, but never quite like this. with a huge speech set for later today, president biden is alln