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right now, though, a live look at a very snowy harrisburg, pennsylvania. you can kind of barely see it. the northeast is bracing for a major winter storm. what's expected to be the areas first big snowfall in two years. more than 40 million people are under winter alerts, from the mid-atlantic from new england, from 8 to 12 inches of snow expected through sunday. that storm already bringing heavy rain and sleet to the southeast, causing icy and hazardous driving conditions. in moments, the new video that shows the point of view of rioters on capitol hill, where three years ago, today. ♪ ♪ ♪ a very good day to all of you from nbc news here in los angeles, welcome to alex witt reports. we have this breaking news to share, several big developments impacting the boeing 737 max nine aircraft. this, after a mid air emergency for forced an alaskan airline
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flight to plant just minutes after taking off. let's go to nbc's priscilla thompson, joining us now from houston. priscilla, tell us what happened? >> yeah, alex. we are just learning that the faa is ordering certain boeing 737 max nines to be grounded if they are operating in the u.s.. we learned a short while earlier that united was also planning to do that. it comes as those ntsb and faa investigators are on the ground in portland, oregon, trying to figure out what went wrong with his alaska airlines flight. overnight, you see the video there of that massive hole. it appears an entire panel on the side of the plane was ripped off in mid air. we've seen video of the oxygen masks being deployed throughout the cabin, and that wind just rushing in through that opening, as passengers were sitting on that plane. and our affiliate there spoke with some of those passengers after they got off the plane about what those moments were like. i want to play a bit of what
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one of those passengers had to say. >> it shows how structurally strongest planes are. you could lowland that, and the hole was about as wide as a refrigerator, about two times of high when i finally got to see it later. everything was -- like i said, the cabin crew did an excellent job. pilot did a great job. yet say anything bad about them at all. >> certainly, some very scary moments. this happened just minutes after that flight took off in portland, oregon, headed to ontario, california. thankfully, nobody on board was seriously injured. there were some personal items that were lost after being sucked out of that window. but thankfully, everyone they are safe and already this, morning, alaska airlines announced they were grounding all of their boeing 737 max nines until we had an opportunity to complete maintenance checks and safety inspections. they have just said about a quarter of those inspections are done, and those planes did
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not have any issues. they are now back in operation, but they are continuing to do that work. as we learned, the faa is calling for a much broader grounding of those planes. it remains to be seen how exactly this will affect travel today, in terms of cancellation and flight delays. >> yeah, you know, priscilla, stay with me as i ask our director renee to put the photo that we have of that plane from the exterior. we can see it. you look at that panel to that goes out, you can see it's very smooth perimeter. it's not like a smoked -- window likable or not, you see some debris hanging off the side, but it looks like it's an actual panel that, let's see, many, many questions could go here. was it shut properly? was it as the pilots indited, an air pressurization thing that happens as a result of this blow out? or that happens before, which would indicate if it wasn't shut properly?
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a lot of times, you have cargo loaded, but that's way too high for cargo. it's there anything you are learning about what that particular door was used for, priscilla? >> yeah, i mean, that is the big question. the passengers on board said it wasn't an emergency exit or anything like that. it just appeared to be this extra door there. as you mentioned, we heard the air traffic control, them talking about a possible pressurization issue that may have caused this. but as they continue to sort of figure that out, just certainly, very scary moments for those passengers. some people saying there was a teenager sitting near that, near where that happened, and his shirt was ripped off. and the cell phone was also pulled out of that opening. again, you see in the video, just that wind blowing peoples hair. you can imagine how scary it is to be on a plane, literally looking out at the ground, but some 10,000 feet beneath you, they had just climbed to 10,000 feet when this happened, and
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they had to make that emergency landing. alex? >> yeah, you make a good point. they haven't gotten to maybe 30,000 feet, which could be cruising altitude. so, 10,000 feet allowed for a little bit better recovery, that's for sure. all right, priscilla, letting all of our viewers know, we are going to interview an faa investigator. we'll get to that as soon as we get him on the line. in the meantime, we thank. you let's go to more headlines, with major developments and efforts to keep donald trump off of state ballots. the supreme court will hear arguments over the next four weeks on whether he's banned from the ballot in colorado. we'll be allowed to stand. trump will return to d.c. on tuesday, three years and three days after the january 6th capitol attack. when the appeals court judges will hear his argument he is entitled to presidential immunity from prosecution related to that attack. and new today, president biden is marking the anniversary with a message on social media, stressing, rather, the importance of democracy. then, dramatic new video released by the courts and obtained by nbc news, that
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shows the point of view of rioters while they're shouting at republican texas congressman, detroit nils. this, while officer stand at the ready. you see them. their firearms are drawn right there. >> we are real american citizens and we're sick of it and we're making it known that we're sick of it. >> i'm ashamed of my congress people, they don't even stand up for it. >> if this doesn't happen, there's going to be a bigger civil war as a lot of bloodshed. >> i drove 14 hours to get here and stood in the cold for three and a half hours find out that might paid pence is a [bleep] traitor, man. and i voted for that [bleep] dude. >> i will talk with new jersey congressman andy kim about all of this. he's going to join me in just a few minutes. but let's get a little more right now on the supreme court agreeing to hear the trump colorado ballot case. joining me now is nbc's ryan riley. ryan, welcome to you, my friend. let's break down the nuts and bolts of what the court will be considering in this case, and what their possible rulings
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could be. i'll let you take it away. >> that's right. so, colorado was sort of the first out of the gate. here they are going to set the standard for how this has handled a lot of states. it's a love major impacts, and all of these other states, where this is an issue that is appearing before secretaries of states are depending on how the state handles it individually in each state, because there are a lot of differences between the states and how they handle these issues. here's what the colorado secretary of state had to say. >> i did certify trump to the ballot. ballots for overseas to military voters will actually go out this month, so, it's really urgent that the supreme court's acts swiftly, so coloradans, and likely all americans, know whether someone who engaged in insurrection can run for the highest office in this country again. >> so, swiftly is a relative term there. as the supreme court, swiftly means february 8th. soin little over a month, we will hear those argumes. i expect shortly thereafter, the court is going to come down if a decision that will
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basically lay out how this should work in all the various states. you can't have different states handling this all across the board. it's going to be a really big mess if that continues down the way in 2024, as all of the states handle these issues, alex. >> okay, thank you so much, ryan riley, for that. former prosecutor msnbc legal analyst, charles comiskey, going to join me in just a few minutes to talk about the supreme court development, plus, the upcoming hearing about trump's immunity. meantime, on the third anniversary of the attack of the capital, donald trump is back in iowa today. he is seeking to maintain his significant lead against his republican rivals, who are also campaigning in iowa ahead of the caucus is just nine days away now. and president biden was also on the trail in pennsylvania, using the day to tie trump to the violence at the capitol. our team of nbc news reporters joining us from across the country, with today's developments. as i welcome you both, nbc's vaughn hillyard is in newton, iowa, where the former president will be speaking later on today. so, vaughn, with the supreme court agreeing to hear the colorado ballot case and biden
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's searing speech yesterday, what can we expect here from trump this afternoon? >> look, alex. -- has made the january 6th capitol attack the cornerstone of his current 2024 presidential bid, we are nine days away from the iowa caucus, last, night we had two of us were we directly talked about the supreme court, the fact that they were gonna take up this case, and openly expressing concern that, in his words, republican judges, sometimes try to rule fair and look i'm biased. pointing out his own concern that the supreme court could delay well rule against him and disqualify him from the ballot. but specifically, january, six he but the conspiracy theory that fbi and antifa were inside the attack, and it wasn't a job, but to make very clear, there is no evidence of. there is no -- unfounded claims from the former president. but galvanizing the electorate and trying to justify the actions of that they, i want to let you hear a little bit more of him on the campaign stage last night. >> those janey six hostages,
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going for jail for 20 years and 18 years, the doctors, lawyers, electricians, truck drivers? it's one of the saddest things. it will go down as one of the saddest things in the history of our country, and they went there to protest a rigged election. >> fourth and 1200 individuals have now been charged by the department of justice. january six defendants who donald trump is made murderous out of, suggesting he would pardon them, suggesting that he is being targeted, just like those individuals attacked the capital but i, are being targeted. there's one other note i want to make here. there's an individual named laurel bloom or, alex. laura rumors are it when provocateur in one of the chief denialists of the january 6th attack, calling it an inside job. laura loomer road to iowa with the former president on his plane yesterday to those campaign stops. i think it's important context to see who the former
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president's surrounded himself, by not only on the anniversary of the january 6th attack, but just 90s before the iowa caucus on his quest to be the republican nominee here in 2024. >> well, you know what you heard about him through the 2016 campaign. it was always the last person to be in his ear was a lot of what we would hear out on the stage when he would speak. so, that's a very important point that you're making right now, vaughn hillyard. thank you for doing that. let's go from there to nbc's allie raffa in wilmington, delaware, where president biden is spending his weekend. ali, welcome. what are we hearing from the president today on this, the third anniversary of january six? >> yeah, alex. president biden marking this somber anniversary in a post on x this morning, saying in part, quote, three years ago, a violent mob fueled by lies attacked the capital, our democracy was tested, but it's held because we the people prevailed. it's up to us to prove for all its imperfections american democracy is still a beacon to
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the world and a promise to be kept. and that theme, of course, was front and center when the president delivered this speech. we saw him deliver its yesterday, in historic valley forge, pennsylvania, where this theme of democracy being under attack, being under threat, was front and center. this is a major departure from sort of the status quo that we have seen the precedence sabotage over the last seven months since announcing his reelection bid, where even when he did mention the former president, it rarely, if ever, it was explicitly by name. and the campaign is saying but this is more of a sharpening rather than a shift in strategy by the president, that no doubt, very different from what we have seen in the past, alex. the president visibly angry when he called his predecessor quote, a loser. he called him sick, and election denier. he talked about the capitol attack and trump's role that day, making the case for why he
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says trump and his supporters are an existential threat to democracy, in his words. he issued a dire warning of the stakes of a possible second trump presidency. listen here. >> trump's not concerned about your future, i promise you. trump is now promising a full scale campaign of revenge and retribution, his words. for some years to come. they were his words, not mine. he went on to say he'd be a dictator on day one. today, i make a sacred pledge to you. the defense, protection, and preservation of american democracy will remain as it has been the central cause of my presidency. >> the president's message yesterday no doubt powerful, but still leaving some wondering whether this message is a winning message, whether
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this is going to be enough to motivate voters to get out and vote in 2024, so we can expect to see sort of the same going forward as the primary season kicks off. notably, the president will be heading to the key early state of south carolina on monday. he's going to be speaking at mother emmanuel amy church in charleston. of course, we saw that racially motivated mass shooting in 2015 take place. the biden campaign noting, saying that that offense quote, embodies the stakes for the nation at the moment, alex. >> okay, allie raffa thank you for that comprehensive report. we have new information on the breaking news about the faa ordering the temporary grounding of certain boeing 737 max nine aircraft. we are back with that in 60 seconds.
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nine aircraft within the u.s. or u.s. territories. this, as united airlines had already considered grounding its 737 max nine planes, but it all comes after that mid air emergency forced an alaskan airline flight to land just minutes after taking off. joining me now is jeff -- former faa and former ntsb investigator, and that msnbc aviation analyst. jeff, welcome. so walk us, first of, all through this process, when the faa is making this kind of decision and how unusual is it for the faa to take this step? >> well, so, once this incident occurred, the airline and the manufacturer is obligated to let the faa know, and the ntsb, no and they uninitiated a initial immediate investigation. based on the findings, the faa has determined this is an unacceptable risk, and they have put out an emergency airworthiness directive, directing the airlines of the united states to do a one-time inspection of the store issue that blew out in that alaska
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airlines event yesterday. to take a look at it, they probably know exactly what they're supposed to be looking for. once they look at it, if there is nothing there, they could put the plane back into service. >> jeff, before i get to other issues with this plane, can i ask you if you know what that door was for? it looks like it's not an emergency exit. it's not the path through which, say, galley service and that sort of thing would come onto the plane. what is that door? >> so, this door is actually an emergency exit door, but it's only required for certain configurations of the 7:37 max eight. in which there's a lot more seats, so the faa will say if you have more seats, a certain number of seats, you have to put an x number of doors. alaska airlines opted not to have a heavy seating configuration, so that door is not needed. it's still a door though,, so when it was delivered to alaska airlines, it was basically
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deactivated and paneled over. on the outside, it looks like an emergency exit door. on the inside, it's not an emergency exit. it was paneled up, looking like any other row in the airplane. so it's basically an option, a modification so to speak, for those airlines that don't need that door. >> so, some airlines, if they needed that door, would have the emergency slide, right? is that what they would have their, because it's so high off the ground? >> yes. that's correct. that is what it would be normally used for, but -- >> but not in this case. >> with a smaller configuration like this, it's not needed on this type of configuration. >> 737 max overall, it's not the first time there have been issues with this kind of playing, jeff. what has happened over the past few years with this aircraft? >> well, your viewers need to be cautioned that this has nothing to do with the 737 max design issue that involved this stability control computer
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system. that led to, that was involved in the two fatal accidents. this, even though it is the same type of airplane, it's only the model dash eight on the max, and also, it only pertains to this specific door, and only for those airplanes in which the airlines didn't order the seating configuration that required the store. so, yes, it's a 737 max, but really, it has nothing to do with the two previous fatal accidents. what it may have something to do with our production and manufacturing issues that boeing has experience not just with the 7:37, but with other models over the past few years. that might be a common issue. but not those involving the two previous maxes that led to a long term grounding of the airplane. >> so, what i'm gathering from what you're saying is this is a one time inspection. it's just going to be something that, across the board, will be done on this particular model of plane for this particular
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panel slush door? and that's what it's going to be, going forward? >> that's exactly right. i think that the investigators, in my opinion, probably already know exactly what the issue is. they know exactly what to inspect. they know exactly which airplanes could have come off the factory floor with this potential problem. they're going to inspect them and after that, 6 to 8-hour inspection, they don't know. and the public should know within a few days whether this is a widespread problem or whether this is just a one-off. hopefully, it's just a one-off. is a quality escape. it only affects this one particular airplane. >> okay. jeff guzzetti, what a comprehensive assessment. i really thank you. i fly a lot, so i'm really glad to talk with you on what you think this is about. thank you. let's go now to donald trump staring down a new and different 2024 election map. the new york times breaks it down. two states mainly colorado have kicked him off their ballots. 19 more states are challenging his eligibility to run for
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office, now including massachusetts and illinois. and 13 states have already considered and dismissed challenges to his candidacy. these challenges are all related to trump's role in the january 6th capitol attack. and the supreme court will now weigh in on whether trump can appeal his disqualification in colorado. joining me now, charles coleman, former brooklyn, new york, prosecutor. vil rights attorney. nbc news and msnbc legal analyst and host of the charles coleman podcast. all right, my friend, let's get into this. because the supreme court has sent a lightning fast timeline for trump's ballot appeal. what, if anything, do you read into that? what, if a>> alex, i think the e court understands the urgency of the situation in that they have to bring some level of clarity to this 14th amendment issue. they're the only ones who can do. it may also understand that, as these primaries continue to take place in primary season, it's imperative that they sort of sort this out so we don't end up with a more complicated situation down the road, as we
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previously talked about with ryan, there are a bunch of differences between the states and how they all handle these elections, and who can be on the ballot and how challenges are initiated. so, the supreme court is really going to be the final arbiter in terms of making sure that all of the rules are essentially the same, and whatever the decision is around donald trump being on the ballot's final and allows the electorate to make decisions and move forward. so, they understand that, and that's why you're seeing this on your schedule. that's obviously much faster than any of the usual cases that come berehe high court. >> trump's legalamateur included everything but the kitchen sink. he says the january 6th attack was not insurrection, and he did not take an oath to support the constitution, that the president is not an officer of the united states. are these arguments very strong? can he prevail on the merits of them? >> alex, at the end of the day, but law, as i learned several years ago, is boldly asserted and plausibly maintain. so, wealth and things may sound
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absurd, ultimately, it's the question of how well you'll be able to maintain them. i don't think there are a number of the argument that he's making better going to go very far. the insurrection argument, for example, is perhaps one of his strongest, and by strong, i mean very, very liberal in that sense, in terms of how it's being defined. but his immunity argument, for example, that is not going anywhere. his argument that you know, he didn't take an oath as an officer of the united states. that's not going anywhere. i think he is trying to have as many bites of the apple, hoping something eventually gives him a window of opportunity that gets him closer to a win. or at least, further away from a loss. however you choose to picture it. at the end of the day, however, i do think that the notion of these definitions and these terms around engaged in and having been found to have an keyshawn or supported and insurrection, is where he's going to rest his hat, finally, and that's what he's going to try to get the most amount of traction. but in the meantime, what he's
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doing, in terms of putting these arguments in front of the, court is trying to give himself as many options to try to get out of this as he can. but, one of the things about the highlight, alex, is that the timing could not be worse. you're talking about january 6th being in a week. so, this is going to be the shadow of what we experience as a nation, it's going to be on our conscious, nice and fresh, even as you're talking about february and early february being the day where it's going to come before the courts. we are still going to be reliving that trauma as a nation, and that could not come at a worse time for donald trump to be dealing with this very issue. >> look, this next aspect i'm gonna ask about is pretty stunning, because trump's lawyer is openly applying pressure to justice brett kavanaugh, saying trump went through hell to get him appointed, and that he's going to quote, step up. legally, is this a good strategy, charles? this quasi-quid pro quo assessment, or can it backfire, because it puts kavanaugh and the other trump appointees, two of whom are there, under even
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more pressure and scrutiny? >> that's a great question, alex. ultimately, i think that's one of the things that you see him doing out of desperation. this is someone who is moving, so they have nothing to lose, or everything to lose, for that matter. and i think that's why you are seeing him do. this is not thoroughly just a call in the public conversation, or public discourse, to apply pressure to kavanaugh. it's also a call, unfortunately, to his accolades, in terms of where they should be directing their pressure and their vitriol when it comes to pointing to justice is on the high court. and i don't necessarily think it's a strong or wise strategy, but at the end of the day, donald trump's attorneys have shown that they don't have much to work with, and they have even less to lose. so, this is why i think you are seeing these very, very radical strategies being deployed. it's not something that i or many lawyers that i know would recommend, but again, he's also not talking to us. he's talking to the people who are donald trump's disciples,
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and that is something they are trying to make clear to his followers, as to where they should be pointing their pressure and their anger. >> lien, by your description, i'm gonna call that the legal version of a pale mary path. let's talk about the other big hearing that starts tuesday. trump does plan to be in d.c. for this one. it's the circuit court of appeals, which will hear his claims of presidential immunity from prosecution in the january 6th attack. can he pull the same antics we saw in his new york civil trial appearances, charles? >> he's going to try, and it's going to be unsuccessful. i don't necessarily know that it's going to go as far. i think that when you're talking about this case in particular, you are already seeing the inclination for another gag order, in terms of how you discussed people in the court, how you discussed course employees and so on. it would be very unwise of him to try to continue with another sports continue, with as much pressure on the refs with your public rhetoric and that's why we saw him do in new york. i don't think that's going to be the case. i also think donald trump does
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understand there's a very significant difference between a state civil court trial, even as that trial may threaten his livelihood and the continuation of your businesses, and a federal criminal trial that threatens your actual freedom, and the continuation of you asked a free man outside. i think those are very two extremely different circumstances, and donald trump knows that. so i expect that he's going to dial that back a little bit, even as he might seek to, within the public where the space, trying to continue to apply pressure. he's still not going to do what we saw him do here in new york. >> okay, charles coleman, thank you so much, my friend. have a good one. a member of congress reflects on what it was like to be on capitol hill on this day, three years ago today. but let me point to this right now. what you are seeing there is the pentagon today, announcing that secretary of defense lloyd austin will return to work after a staying in walter reed medical center icu. austin was admitted on new year's day for complications following a recent elective medical procedure. we are glad he is back on the job.
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just today showing republican congressman admonishing the crowd, trying to enter the house chamber, one lawmaker can be heard saying to them, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. joining me now, democratic congressman from new jersey, andy kim. he's a member of the house armed services and foreign affairs committees. he's also running to unseat democratic senator, bob menendez. in the upcoming new jersey primary. welcome to you, congressman. good to have you here. let me ask you first about this new video. there have been so many images, we've seen a bunch of them like this since that day three years ago. what goes through your mind when you see this? >> yeah, hi, alex. i just saw the video just before coming on the show. i have to say, it really just was horrifying to see. those doors they are looking at, those are the center doors of the house chamber. those are the doors that the president of the united states walks through when they give the state of the union address. and the idea that that is the door, you see the broken glass.
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the that's the door with a broken glass, i had to step over that broken glass the night of january 6th. to enter the capitol. and to see guns drawn on the floor of the house of representatives, that is a very chilling video. and one that really just brings back a lot of the emotions that i felt from that day being there on january 6th. >> you know, many republicans have changed their tone since january 6th. or criticize former president donald trump for his role in it. how has that dynamic changed on capitol hill? in the past three years. >> well, the dynamic is still really problematic. we just continue to have, it i've worked alongside people who tried to overturn that election result. we now have yelling and screaming at each other in the halls of the capitol. i mean, the dynamics are as bad as it's been, i've been in capitol hill now in congress for five. years this is the worst that i've seen it. the inability for us to be able
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to even engage with each other and you see that breakdown affecting americans. affecting our ability to get bills passed. it's affecting us to be able to get the government funding that we need. this is something that is really at the heart of it. i ask myself on the third anniversary of january 6th, are we better off as a nation now than we were three years ago? are we more stable now than we were three years ago? the answer is no. the problems that led to january 6th are still very present. and our democracy is very fragile. which is why it's so important that, right now, the american people understand what's at stake. the president laid out in his speech yesterday. i hope that the american people are paying attention to just how dire things are when we have people in power who are trying to undermine our democracy. >> i want to pull up these iconic images, frankly, of you congressman kim, cleaning up the rotunda following the attack at the capitol three years ago today. as you look at these photos now, and you're picking up these pieces of trash that were left
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behind by the marauders there in our capitol building. what do you think about the future of this country? what do you think about the future of what's at stake this year in this presidential election year? >> yeah. alex, i think about this as a father of a six-year-old in a year old. i got two little boys. honestly, what goes through my head is i don't know what america america micah getting open. when i think through the images are of january 6th, i worry so much. i don't want my kids to grow up in america that is broken. i don't want them to grow up in an america, a democracy that's crumbling. i don't want them to the kind of vitriol and anger and violence of january six to be something that they and their generation have to go through. i really do believe that this next year, this next 2 to 3 years, this is gonna shape the next 2 to 3, four decades of our nation. this is such a pivotal moment. which is why i'm stepping up to
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run for senate wide, i'm doing everything that i can to try to fix this. but really, i'm a father terrified about what kind of path or countries going down. for my kids to go up and. and i hope that a lot of people feel that same way. this anxiety, this chaos, this conflict ever going through as a nation. it just cannot last. we cannot sustain that. we have to find a way to break this fever, and be able to heal our democracy. >> all i gotta tell you, along the conversations i have just echo the sentiments very much. you're not alone in those feelings. let me ask you about the escalating tensions in the middle east. in the past few days, secretary blinken has shown that he's got to be there on this whirlwind tour in the region. he just addressed reporters in greece before he heads back to the middle east. let's take a look at what he said. >> there is clearly a strong desire among the majority of people in the region for a future that is one of peace. of security. of de-escalation and
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compromise. integration of the two countries. that's one path. that's one future. the other future is an endless cycle of violence. a repetition of horrific events that we're seeing. in the lives of the insecure in conflicts for people in the region. which is what virtually no one wants. so the work that needs to be done to get on that first path, the steps that need to be taken, the commitments that countries need to make, this is what will be talking about in the days ahead. >> so, difficult conversations are ahead. you've worked at the pentagon. the state department as well. can the u.s. keep this conflict from spreading? >> you're right. i've worked on diplomacy, work in the middle east. the great honor of working with secretary blinken before in our careers. i know a lot of what he's seeing and hearing on the ground. and i can tell you having worked on this, i've never seen
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the middle east in this precarious of a situation. where the prospects of regional war or this real. this is scary. it's not inevitable. conflict, broader regional conflict is, is not inevitable. but a lot of the conditions and pieces are there that really worry. me this is something that very much keeps me up at night. we absolutely need to be able to use all the tools at our disposal when it comes to diplomacy. i'm glad the secretary is out there. we need much more engagement. we need to build abroad and wide, not just regional, but international coalition at this time to be able to say that that is something we cannot allow to see. if there is a regional war that breaks out, it will be devastating. not just in the region but for the global world peace. our order. our economy. that is something that we've seen already with the war in europe. with ukraine. and how devastating that's been in so many different ways as well. things are really shaky. i hear it right here in jersey,
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people worried about the direction of the globe. global conflicts and the instability that's out there. it's worrying a lot of people in terms of what could happen here. so, i very much and doing everything we can in congress, working with the biden administration to try to seek diplomatic means to off-ramp, and make sure we don't head down this path towards that kind of greater cause conflict, which would be an absolute nightmare. >> democratic congressman of new jersey, and he can. thank you so much for joining us, we look for dissing again. so, he must really, really care. the person donald trump's campaign is spending money on and what it might mean, next. t might mean, next but don't forget this season 's updated covid-19 shot too. i suffer with psoriatic arthritis and psoriasis. i was on a journey for a really long time to find some relief. cosentyx works for me. cosentyx helps real people get real relief from the symptoms of psoriatic arthritis or psoriasis. serious allergic reactions,
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trump's border wall. confirmed warnings of terrorist sneaking in through our southern border. and haley joined biden in opposing trump's visitor been from terrorist nations. haley's weakness puts us in grave danger. trump's strength protects us. >> joining me now, steve shepard, senior campaign and election editor and chief polling analyst for politico. steve, welcome. we all know trump is never shied away from talking about nikki haley. now he's spending money to attack her in new hampshire. and she's polling pretty well there. what does this tell you about how the trump campaign views nikki haley? >> well, certainly, a threat to trump in new hampshire. the way i think about, i think we should all think about, this donald trump is hoping, essentially, lock down the nomination after iowa new hampshire. iowa is a week from monday. it just nine days away. new hampshire is another eight days after that. the next 17 days.
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this is basically gonna be a one-two punch of a succeeds. the first point doesn't i'll against ron desantis. that has been, quite, frankly for donald trump is going pretty well. desantis has bet a lot on iowa. he's not really doing as much in new hampshire. not running television advertising in new hampshire. big focus on iowa there. if trump can knock out desantis in iowa, then he can move on to new hampshire and knock out haley. and essentially, the primary will be over at that point. if it succeeds. nikki haley's been getting a lot of traction in new hampshire. and desantis kind of flagging a little bit in iowa. if haley can finish second in iowa, and ride that momentum new hampshire, then you can start to see things a little interesting. that's exactly what the campaign is trying to avoid. >> really, you can envision nikki haley giving trump a run for his money? >> you know, i don't know if i'd go that far, but if it's going to happen, it's going to happen by a second place finish for haley in iowa and around desantis. and then in a perhaps upset
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victory new hampshire. look, we've had a lot of surprises before. i went back and looked about a week before iowa, in the last two campaigns. years ago, donald trump is leading by six points of the polling average in iowa. he lost. four years before that, rick santorum, who won the iowa caucuses, wasn't sixth place in the polling average in iowa a week before the caucuses. sixth place. and he won. new hampshire, similarly, lots of surprises in new hampshire. going back both on the republican side in the democratic side. we all remember barack obama winning iowa in 2008, riding the surge of momentum, only to get crushed in new hampshire by hillary clinton and a victory nobody saw coming. john mccain finished fourth or fifth in iowa in the 2000. and then won the new hampshire primary. if primaries can be really volatile, right now, the game play for trump's be down desantis in iowa. and then take it to haley in new hampshire. and then it over. we'll see if it succeeds.
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>> okay, you're bringing up holes. there's a new one from the associated press, it finds that almost a third of republicans have low trust in the gop primary. could this have an effect on voter turnout? >> it's a great question. i think we're gonna be looking at singles from iowa about that just coming up in nine days. the iowa us course, it's a different kind of system. everybody shows up at the same time. it's a very collective experience. you all listen to speeches and then vote together. all, again, in that one evening. the votes are tallied right in front of you and announced to the crowd in that caucus site. it's a little bit more trust there. look i, i think that something to watch moving forward. there is no doubt that over the last eight years donald trump has shown a lot of distrust about the way we run elections in america. culminating, of course, we're talking a lot about the third anniversary of january 6th.
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that's the conclusion of that project. i think in terms of turnout in this primary, it does right now seem like republicans are pretty energized about voting in this race. especially those who li trump and want him to be nominated again. we'll see how that bears out once that comes time for people to go to the polls. >> let me ask you quickly about a poll, it's got almost curious question in analysis. a washington post university of maryland poll that finds that one quarter of americans, that's one in four, believe the fbi instigated january 6th. do you think this reflects how much support trump has going into this election, steve? >> you know, i want to just cast a little bit of doubt on that finding. when you ask people who think that they definitely instigate a january 6th, that only 30% of americans. this is still a pretty -- fringe position, i wrote this for politico, donald trump has succeeded in convincing a
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significant sizeable majority of republicans to either except or move on from january 6th. but when you look at the broader country beyond that, democrats and most critically independents, there is still repulsed by january 6th. seeing the images that i know you've been showing on your show earlier today. it is not, an embrace of january 6th, trump's role in, it the participants in it, that's not gonna play well in a general election. it's one of the reasons why the biden campaign is spending so much time between the president's speech yesterday, between the new ad that began airing this week. that is correlated with the democratic national committee. they want to talk about this. and there's a reason why. the american people have not all of a sudden gonna one 80 on january 6th, even if some republicans have. >> okay. steve shepard, what a great year, we'll see you again soon. thank you. the fight for a woman's right to choose picks up momentum in a surprising state. a surprising state
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ballot this year in florida. a proposed measure would enshrines the right in the led ballot initiative campaign collected more than 900,000 signatures from florida voters. and that is more than enough to move for with the process of getting this proposal on the ballot. at least 150,000 of those signatures came from registered republicans. joining us now, nancy norfolk. president and ceo of legal advocacy organization, the center for reproductive rights. her group represented kate cox, that's the texas woman who, in december, try to get an emergency abortion in a case that captured this nation's attention. nancy, big welcome to you. quickly, with kate, she's doing okay now, right? she was able to leave the state and have the procedure done to save her life? >> she is. she's been through a very traumatic experience. she is mourning the loss of
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that pregnancy. but she is doing all right. she's back home in texas. >> i'm glad to hear that. let's talk about last year. as you know, voters in ohio, they enshrines abortion rights in their constitution. there are many other states, including as we mentioned, florida. where there are efforts to do the same. is enshrining this within your states constitution the only guaranteed option in the states where access is so restricted? >> well, it is definitely the strongest option to get abortion rights protected in a state. but not every state has the option of amending the constitution to put abortion rights into it. texas is one of those states where that's not even an option for the citizens of texas. so, it's an important in those states where voters can do it, and they're making that valiant effort in florida this year. and other states are looking at a two. but not every state is an option. which is why eventually, we need to have federal
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legislation, by the women's health protection act, that will have a national standard guaranteeing abortion rights access. in the meantime, we're seeing the devastating consequences of abortion bans, kate cox's story, one story, just the tip of the iceberg. and we have this bell tool going on right now at the supreme court, yesterday, having agreed to hear a case out of idaho. about whether women, who have -- emergencies are in the e.r. in idaho should get stabilizing treatment, which might include abortion for the pregnancy complications. >> let me get to that, that prohibits doctors from performing abortions even in medical i'm urgencies. what does that mean in the state of idaho? >> idaho is claiming that only if your at death's door can you get an abortion. and they're fighting, there's a national law that says every person who is having any kind
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of emergency and shows up in an emergency room has to be stabilized. and for women with abortion complications, and we see this in texas, we see alison idaho, see in states across the nation, that have been abortion. they are showing up in emergency rooms with sepsis. with complications from their pregnancies that have run into terrible complications. idaho is saying, no. we don't need to give them, if an abortion is medically indicated, if an abortion is a thing that a doctor would have done before roe v. wade was overturned, it medically -- the knock ability that nato. there was an injunction in place in idaho, by a lower court that said, no, no. you have to give stabilizing treatment including abortion, into a medical. new jersey supreme court yesterday said we're gonna take a look at this case and we are lifting that injunction. we're taking it away. idaho now can go back to its, you know, enforcing its ban on
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abortion even in these emergency situations. >> what about the other headline this week from texas where a federal appeals court ruled that the u.s. government cannot require emergency room doctors to perform lifesaving abortions on patience. do you already see that impact in texas? what was the reaction from your group? >> well, it's now absolutely outrageous decision by the fifth circuit. it's the same issue that's going on an idaho supreme court. which is federal law requiring the stabilizing care. states like texas and idaho are fighting what should just be common sense. why would they not want their citizens to get the right kind of care when they're in an emergency? it's not raiders decision in texas. it is already the case. we are suing texas, not just on behalf of kate cox but all women who've been unable to get an abortion when it's been medically indicated for a pregnancy gone wrong. this is the state of post roe
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america. >> nancy norfolk, we welcome you back on the broadcast anytime, thank you so much for ironing things out for us. appreciate it. that's gonna do it for me, everyone, on that edition of alex witt reports. i'll see you tomorrow from los angeles, at one pm eastern. starting next saturday, you can watch the new msnbc weekend lineup, and this show is expanding from 1 to 4 pm eastern. first, right, now my friend yasmin vossoughian we'll continue our coverage after a short break. t break. order in the subway app today.
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