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>> reporter: you never had an insurrectionist president before who would seek reelection. the president of harvard university resigned today weeks after her controversial testimony before congress about antisemitism. the average, came not from her academic peers, but rather from her political foes led by conservatives who put her career under intense scrutiny. i think it's going to be very tremendous victory in iowa. i will defeat president trump, foreign square. i have no doubt about that. i'm the only one who has a chance to beat trump and win the general election. you saw with our own eyes, when that mob stormed the united states capitol. everything is on the line right here, the question is what kind of century is this going to be? when a democracy is still americas separate causes the most urgent question of our time. they left weaponized

government and the same threat to democracy. we all know who donald trump is, the question we have to answer is, who are weak? good evening once again, i'm stephanie ruhle, it is the end of a very busy first week of 2024. a week that ended with the president naming donald trump as a threat to our democracy. the supreme court announcing we will hear the case on whether trump should be on the ballot in colorado in a major shake up at the top of the nra. you're in luck, our nightcap is here to talk about all of it, and it's a great one. joining me, eddie, blog princeton professor and msnbc contributor. peter spiegel, he was managing editor for the financial times. sammy sage, cofounder and chief creative officer of duchess media, and comedian pete dominic, the host of stand up the dumbed podcast. all right, let's start with the supreme court. peter, i turn to you. what is at stake here with donald trump getting on this ballot? the stake is everything. but i will say, i was watching earlier on msnbc, there's a lot

of real debate about this, about how strong the cases. i must, say i become so cynical about this court in particular. this is a political court and this is a political case. and i don't think a court that has three donald trump appointees? including, and in another republican appointee whose wife has been advocating on this issue is going to be making a legal issue, a legal case here. i think we can see a political decision, very much like bush versus gore. i was lucky -- it was a straight line political vote. i think there's a lot of legal issues to discuss but i think the answer is -- >> reporter: you don't have to wonder the trump appoint three judges. he's out there saying it. he's like a mob boss threatening it. i saw his lawyer on tv look straight into the camera saying, brett kavanaugh, he's going to come through for trump. what is your take on that, eddie? you know, we don't take trump to be the most ethical kind of guy on the planet. >> reporter: really? so that kind of quid pro

quo, that transitional approach is how he rolls. but are we a nation of laws? are we a constitutional republic? that's the 14th amendment mean anything? here we are in one of those moments that really will become a defining moment in terms of what kind of nation we. our eddie, can i ask you quickly, my argument that this is a political court, it's going to vote on political lines, which happened in bush v. gore. i'm curious about -- has as the supreme court ever been a non political entity? no! as eric stegall has said forever, my favorite constitutional loss callers, justices are not justice, the supreme court is -- it's been that. way your question is what's at stake? i think this is the most important supreme court decision maybe of our lifetime. it's similar to gore bush. they may be deciding whether or not donald trump can be president. so i would say, and i've heard from a lot of law scholars when they look at the kisses all the time, this is one of the most consequential decisions the

supreme court will ever make. whether or not donald trump can be on the ballot. what i don't really understand about that motivation of making a political decision, even if donald trump did appoint them, in a fascist society, under an autocratic government, they would be marginalizing themselves -- right. but i don't understand, and they have been completely ruled in every single case as hardly as i would've expected -- so my small glimmer of optimism is that they can at least look out for their own self-interest. and no -- right, it should pick and. you would think. maybe they won't, maybe the ouellet colorado's ruling stand, maybe they won't -- or the rule against a different one. >> reporter: all right, let's talk about president biden and his speech today. eddie, i know you actually met with the president earlier this week. he made it clear, he stood on the podium, he looked at the american people, and he said, donald trump is a threat to our

democracy. yeah, and then he asked a very important question, is american democracy still the sacred cause of this nation? are we still committed to it? the question is, trump is who he is. we know who he is. he's a grifter, he's an expert level grifter. to use a dnd reference. [laughter] he's an expert level grifter! but the question is, who are we? chaotic, to use another dnd reference. >> reporter: right? donald trump doesn't elect himself. the american people. do the american voter has made him the republican front runner. he didn't do it. can we ask whether -- i think we can be on the great meant that what biden said today's right, but is this the right round to be fighting? on >> reporter: that was my question. to you and i come from a financial background, on every poll, it's not a constitutional issue, it's not a democracy issue, it's inflation, and the -- abortion is affecting a lot

of democrats. the overall think that is -- grumpy americans is inflation. and if biden cannot answer that question when the voters go to the polls, i think that the pocket books will motivate them. >> reporter: you peter, you want to attack the economy? let's have an autocratic country. you want to -- unless you have a functioning democracy, all the other things go out the window. and i realize it's an abstract, but maybe the biden administration needs to take it from the abstract and put it front and center because democracy is everything. i think the average american voter doesn't -- think i think the average american voter does understand that. i just don't think we're living in the media apparatus that favors that. and i think we're not -- you know, most people are not going to be making their voting decisions based on this conversation. >> reporter: why not? i mean, i wish they would. because the average voter is only here in glimmers of what's going on. and there is fiercely not hearing it right now. and even when -- you can make an argument that the economy is good, but you

can tell people about the inflation rate, that's apart from their personal -- perception matter, to just -- i saw, i saw the professor shake his head at peter. and i agree, when peter talked about inflation, i responded with abortion. but i would defer and, please, say what you are thinking there, i think it's about the vengeance, victimhood, and racism that so many people are feeling and their attitudes around that that is animating culture war issues, and meeting more than what we used to to be animated to vote. >> reporter: what does that, mean joe biden needs to create a democracy dance on tiktok to get people to understand it? no, the culture will not just -- the culture war did not just come out of nowhere. it also isn't just a natural organic thing that -- there's many behind this. there is a strategy -- this is really important, when you look at the battle points, when you look at what he's done in terms of the economy, when we look at employment, we look at gas prices, when we look at all those things, you would think

his approval numbers would be off the charts. but they're not. why? because underneath it, are these cultural issues. there are folks who believe that the country, that they're facing and existential threat. that the problem isn't, right, whether or not brett costs x amount of dollars. the problem is the country i know isn't mine. yes! if biden doesn't address that, when -- particularly folks who are opposed to -- oppose him, or whatever, who believe that the only way to save the country is to throw democracy to the dam trash bin. he needs to win -- the swing voters need to understand that if they are silent in the face of those voters who believe that they're facing an existential threat, that they will be complicit, and if they don't do that, then they are -- i still think that maricopa county, pennsylvania, the suburban voters who, swing voters, are not thinking about that. they are thinking about kitchen

table issues -- that sounds familiar. >> reporter: you know, what the -- voting turnout, the turnout rate is not even close to 100%. so you have all these people who are just not engaged, not paying attention. and why would be not, if i were president biden, i would try -- i'd be trying to make the argument that a multi cultural democracy does not mean that you're losing your country, it means more of us have a role in this country. that's a good thing, i think that's a message of that resonates with a lot of people. at the same time, he is making that point where, we're hearing the right destroyed e e initiatives and -- >> reporter: we're gonna get into dei later. i want to stay on, this and i want to stay on this weekend. right? because january 6th is upon us, okay? think about this. we all saw it, i think it's one of the worst days in american history. yet here we, our three years later, donald trump is the clear front runner, a huge portion of americans now think that the january 6th attacks were initiated by the fbi. i need someone to explain to me this misinformation machine,

how did we get here? because we don't talk about this enough. i -- think >> reporter: we've been talking about it forever! the 14th amendment, for example, the argument was a very desert aire academic argument people were making, and they should've made that on january 7th. how can people believe this crazy theory that the fbi was behind it? that's the media environment -- >> reporter: hundreds of people are sitting -- i had someone make that argument to me on the internet. what they're bringing up is, all this footage from january 6th that was just released, a 3000 hours or whatever of footage that had not been seen. and i think what they really capitalized on is this innate distrust of government and institutions. they don't think that we walked on the moon, the reason they think this is because they are told that the president of the united states, the former president! if nixon had this information ecosystem, he would have never resigned. absolutely right. i think that's absolutely route right. he would've never resign.

so the lifeblood of democracy, is the ability of everybody ordinary people to engage in -- if we don't have the information to make the arguments because we're siloed, democracy's eye, was about to use the word here -- who showed up and told nixon to resign? gary goldblum. the people within his own party. that's a thing that i think has fallen down in the u.s.. i have republicans in my family. there was a rational republican party that stood up to the crazy nativist. what happened to them? i still to this -- day >> reporter: they were told to sit down and shut up. they got eaten alive by the situation that they created. they ceded the ground, they cannot act like they weren't the forebears of what we have here. liz cheney was asked about this by stephen colbert, one of the most conversations i've seen in a long-time. he, said don't we have any responsibility for what we've, seen and i've been talking about these issues for 15 years. i've been watching this republican party taking phone calls on life radio. this is not new. it is only become only, and more popular.

the reasonable republican side are talking, but i would argue, innate only. in this town, in wall street, in silicon valley, there is a pro business moderate republican that is been trying to organize itself -- eaten alive by -- the >> reporter: i can't even hear. this if you're about to say the words no labels, i'm about to show you the door. because here's -- okay. here's what i don't get, all these brilliant wall street minds, do they know how the electoral process works? because i love a cocktail party talking about the, we need more than two choices. i'm on board for that. but the way our work system is organized, it doesn't open the door for that. and until we change that, you know what no labels in this effort? as a big run fundraising machine for rich guys who like to throw checks at it. i think the opposite, because -- >> reporter: if i'm, wrong one, wartime nancy jacobson for the 100th time, you're welcome to come on my, shot anytime of the, week i don't know why you keep saying. no who funded vantage -- this is wall street hedge fund. money actually, there are wall

street many types who got this right on that side. where is the wall street money for the old don reagan republicans, right? he came from maryland. there was a wall street moderate republican party that existed and dominated the base -- the culture was not a fronting them in other ways, i think. and i think it's not just about -- it was easy to be a moderate republican when the only other people were maybe a little more -- >> reporter: hears -- i think it's not the same as now where there's a real push for equality at levels that people are not used to. >> reporter: okay, because that wall street republican, if you actually look at joe biden policies, they should be stoked about it. right? look at all the -- we have a very strong economy, given where we came from. look at the infrastructure. look at all he's done. but why did he pull back, the idea that they had that he is super liberal, which is, not and the way that they got this idea, is because when they got into investment, looking like, i did the investment banks

recruited from four colleges, under ivy league universities. and they didn't have any dei initiatives. and they love to hire lacrosse players and football players, and sons of people that went to really expensive boarding schools. and yet, that is what this group of wall street people think that joe biden is super liberal, because their son named chad in a patagonia vest isn't automatically getting into princeton and gets to be an eddie's class. that's why they feel that way. class that's why they feel that way. >> they can probably still get in the. >> >> reporter: i want a.d. i got it. >> to weigh in hold on, i want eddie to weigh. what i'm trying in. >> about? >> all of this! to -- >> i'm trying to render it in a way that makes sense because the stakes are high. i played lacrosse in a patagonia vest. >> i'm trying to render it in a way that actually makes sense because the stakes are high. there are folk that you are talking about who are simply greedy. they do not give a dam about anything but the bottom line and they want an environment so

that they can make the money that they want to make. when donald trump ran into mar-a-lago and said i want to make a lot of money that was clear. >> donald trump like to talk about the stock market, you know who that it talk about the stock market? joe biden! >> it seems to me at the top of this thing is this cultural thing. they stand, highbrow conversation about what they stand for and what they believe. republican today and yesterday. it is not policy. they are not standing on policy and it is all things that come out of the radio that divide people. and they go after red herrings, they manufacture conspiracies and controversies that no one even really cares about and they make a huge cultural issue that really doesn't affect that many people. >> initial thought. >> because there are not libertarians in this things. they don't regulate me. it seems to be that there is this cultural thing. the country that we knew no longer exists. the threat,

the fear of majority minority -- however you describe. it a country that is overrun by these different-looking people with racially ambiguous children on cheeriest marshals and threatening everything we want. there is a sense in which that nostalgic longing for an america that is gone is driving everything. to be honest with you, should be honest with you, we are in the midst of a second lost cause. a second redemption. there are folks who are wanting -- they are willing to tear the whole dying thing down. if a person looks like me or you or if you continue to rise. >> that same person believes that our education system is failing. people like sammy and i now have opportunities beyond being a teacher or a nurse. back when we could only be a teacher or a nurse, we had much better

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us. this week the president of harvard university, claudine gay, step down. for a lot of people it marked a new phase in the battle over diversity, equity, and inclusion. eddie you are professor at princeton university, one of the greatest universities on the planet. you know this world, she was accused of plagiarism, there is now an academic war over what plagiarism is. what do you make of all of this? >> i think beyond the particular, stephanie, this is about an all out assault on liberal education. we saw it at the level of primary school, but now it's a secondary education. whether it's banning books. now it's this idea that colleges and universities are these bastions of liberalism, this hot beds of wokeism. claudine gay became, in some, was the poster child of that argument, right? we saw it initially as, they failed to respond

appropriately to stefanik's question. suddenly, it -- became -- >> it was a terrible. hearing >> a terrible hearing. lawyered up, it's obvious that they lost their humanity in the midst of answering those questions, right? in some ways. then it became antisemitism on college campuses is actually a reflection of the fact that the students part woke. they are thinking that israel is a settler colonial state and these are the oppressors. all of this is a result of wokeism. if we could only understand that wokeism is destroying american higher education, we would understand the problem way base. we saw literally a concerted effort by the right. then, this black woman, alongside liz mcgill, and the president of i. t., these women became the object of this, shall we say, how would one describe it? this effort to

undo the pernicious effects of the -- >> target operation. i will just say -- >> a pogrom, i would say. >> it's important to note at this table, sami's colonel, eddie is princeton. morehouse man, peter went to pence. i was selling pretzels and scarves outside. thank you for having me here. i can't talk about the ivy league schools. i can talk about plagiarism. i'm a comedian. if we steal a joke, we are done for. done for. i can't talk about what andy just said. i have been in the fight at my school district where my daughters go, in the fight. i have been threatened, i have been attacked. it is horrific what is happening in our school district. that is one of so many. it's the same people. is the same strategy. they're screaming about crt and dei. these are acronyms for which they have no idea what they event mean. it's an active wedge. it's an effective, divisive issue. it is so dangerous. it was dangerous personally to my family. it continues to be. we continue to be a target because i've been

outspoken and there is no one easier to take down that a black woman in america, who is standing up for her? very few people will. put their reputation on the line for that. that's why they targeted her purse specifically. >> was a fact that these three university presidents were women sitting there in that hearing sort of the perfect gift for those attacking d e i to say, see? they only got those jobs because they were diversity candidates. will that next chapter here be corporate america saying, you know what, we are going to lay off this d e i two? >> yeah, i think that's why it was so effective. i think the second that you even bring that up, the answer is always going to be, it's not that she's a, woman is because she give horrible answers, it's because she plagiarize. the question of their fitness to be the president is an entirely

different issue that i could not speak to. but i think there is so much irony in this situation. the first bank that there is an attack on dei from people who, let's be real, they are white supremacist movement that purposely advertise that they were going to be using this issue to kick claudine gay out and they were coming from dei next. >> and antisemitic movement. >> it is an antisemitic movement that is trying to weaponize antisemitism on campus so that you can turn jews around dei. i think, if anything, this really speaks to the fact that people do not understand the actual purpose of dei, which is not supposed to be to have a corporate session once a year. it's like, don't harass, don't do. this is not what the purpose is. it's supposed to be a personal journey where you're reflecting on your own privilege, her place in society, how you can pay it forward. it's an act of empathy. it's not like something that you can teach in a day. that's why think when people look at it like a corporate kpi, going to increase our business, that's not going to happen in a year.

>> do you think that has led to buy people bill dei exhaustion? because it's become so corporatize? >> i think people's experiences with it have been negative in some cases and then they are like, okay, their point about it is valid. that's because they are doing it wrong. yeah. >> your point about this is going to be top corporate backlash, it was proceeded by bud light, target. >> that's the question. do you draw a line between target, bud light and now, here we are. >> that's where i have a problem with the line everyone else is drawing. maybe the only person. here there's no toe piece description of a targeted campaign by a white nationalist group to go after these persons existing. -- >> however, two things to be can be true at the same time. >> mark rowan, these jewish donors in new york, genuinely, i felt, they were giving money to these universities and the students around the campus saying, round up the jews. as a gym myself, that was rather unsettling as a penn grad. i saw people on campus. a corneal

professor going all say, i felt great joy see what happened on october 7th. i think there is two separate things going on here. i think there is genuine fear and concern amongst the jewish community but what's happening college campuses. that has been weaponized by this other movement. i'm not sure it's a direct line between the two of them, i think we need to be very careful not put all of these people on the same package. people have different motivations here. there's some genuine fear amongst jews in the united states right now. >> eddie, do you. >> i think we have to be careful not to paint with broad brushes. i think there are folks that have said some noxious things, students who were trying to disagree in a country that has forgotten how to disagree. that is evident in a very clear way. i want to say this very clearly, and to say this very clearly, it is -- you can't imagine how unnerving it is that we just got access to these [inaudible]

my dad couldn't go to princeton. my son is finally able to benefit a little bit from regime that allowed him to at least be considered, right? i consider myself -- to call me an affirmative action higher or diversity higher doesn't bother me. it says more about you than it's about me. why am i a diversity? her debit, if you didn't have the criteria, you wouldn't think about me. this is saying more about you then we. right? here we are, in a moment, once again, for the nation thought it could actually, we were in caged in a racial reckoning. debit, we're doing it again. we are turning our backs on it again. the context of the end of the reconstruction, igs that this is really -- quick in the context of andrew version between 1868 and the turn of the 20th century, 55,000 black people came. we're talking about the level of violence that went beyond spectacular lynchings. why? people were turning their backs on the effort to have a genuine, multi racial democracy. here we are, finally trying to grapple with this thing. we have these phone

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interesting cortes to watch, to see how they apply the laws and how many more of these come up. >> i am going with virginia dufresne, which a lot of people probably don't know, but she is, probably the most prominent jeffrey epstein accuser. this week, because that the lawsuit that she has persisted with, against ghislaine maxwell, who was the enabler of -- >> sitting in jail. >> sitting in jail, to remind us all of people who were with jeffrey epstein. >> everybody loves to say, oh, my god, it's republicans. oh, my god, it's democrats, no, no, there aren't there. >> it gets back to a

conversation we had before which is, the me too movement had its moment. much like the black lives matter, we have gotten a period of backlash. a lot of men were rightfully thrown, but a lot weren't. i think, sometimes, when we look back at history, we think of the lines. we had brown versus board of education, we had the montgomery bus boycott, and then it went to that. it does not work that way, it work in verse. when i think dufresne needs to remember is she isn't the only one in the trenches. when she opens again, there are a time to remind us that there are so bad guys out there in positions of power. >> can i make an argument about maybe why she should be the mvp, whether we're talking hunter biden or donald trump. we're constantly hearing about the two-tiered political system. if there is a push to see it, it's in this list.

there's absolutely no reason why we did not see this list of names for the last three years. you know what is the reason? because all does mega powerful people on it have kept under wraps, sealed. when you talk about a two tiered system, it's all the rich and powerful people on that list, while we have not seen it until today. >> she tried to fight for a long time. >> i feel like i broke the rules. i picked up the country of germany. it does not seem to fit. it's not a person. do i had to say a person? i have a better one. germany said half of their power from 2023 came from renewables. they've been doing a good effort in the past few years. energy prices rise, and people like that. but they're co2 missions fell to 1915 levels this year, and it's the most populated country of italy obviously in europe. it's really important statistic that we don't think about these things when it campaign and at the end of the year.

we look at statistics, what happened, or legislation goes into effect, all bunch of people can for their medicine and so on. we should remark, i think, when we have these giant achievements. and this case, i picked a germany, but if i had to pick a person, i would say -- harry dunn who is running for congress. >> i'll give you that. andy? >> so, i am a rookie to this. >> but guess what, you're a mvp rookie. you will be invited back. >> did i intimidate you? >> now. >> yes, yes. >> you are invited back. >> i chose a irish novelist, titled profit song, which won the booker prize in 2023. i wanted to, the news is getting me down, so i wanted to retreat into the world of fiction to find myself. i found myself in this novel, this dystopian novel about the irish republic descending into

totalitarianism. with each choice, the central character of the family, whose husband has been snatched by the police, after he engaged in protests. here in the democratic society, everything is working, and then choice by choice, act by, accidentally, everybody finds themselves in a totalitarian space. that said, oh, my god, they just prophesized our own moment. >> there, you go. i'll give you mine. my mvp today are the activists in the state of florida, who have been working around the clock to get abortion rights on the ballot this coming november. this group of people, mostly women, had a mission. here is the money, did they work, got the signatures, and today, they announced that they have more than enough of them to get on the ballot. >> wow. >> their next stop is the supreme court. it's a big hurdle, not a done deal, but my point is, roe v. wade was overturned, and they organized and took action. that makes them the night and

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underway, and whether it's going to the gym, 90 in a language, making more money, we're all worried about keeping our new years resolutions, but how do we stop worrying and find a way to stop start being happy. my friend arthur brooks is back with the answers. he's a harvard professor, contributing author for the atlantic and coauthor of the new book, build the life you want. which is out now. arthur, i am so glad that you're here. here is the thing with resolutions, are they really a recipe for happiness. if i am a good shape, i am getting happy. if i have a boyfriend, i will be happy, but there might not be happiness just because you get those things. >> you think you'll achieve something, and it will be great, that is called the arrival fallacy, by the way, in my business.

you get there, it will be great, but what happens, what happiness is progress. that is what brings happiness. you're disappointed when you get to the goal. it creates problems like new years resolutions, losing weight. >> you call envy the happiness killer, but envy is actually where we get a lot of our resolutions from. >> yeah, because we compare ourselves to others. we live impacts and tribes. we know who is on top of whom. we want to get better. we want to make congress, progress, but that's not the way to life. in terms of envying other people, it creates a malign sense of relationship we have with others. the way to fix that, by the way, it did not stop comparing yourself to others, but to admire the people. that's the way to do it.

find people more virtuous than you, who have qualities that you wish you had, and who admire them openly. that turns into virtue, and that will bring happiness. >> why do new year's resolutions? phil >> they fail, because we realize they were the wrong resolutions, and they cost it not -- we think about things that really improve our lives. >> hold on, it's fair to say that if i was in better shape, if i had more money, if i had a better job, those are not bad ideas. >> if i lost 20 pounds, i'll be happier. you probably won't be happier. you'll be healthier for sure. but when you get there, to find a are not as happy as he thought you. we're weight loss is a perfect example of this. they get all the pressure that comes from seeing the skill validated day today. you know what your reward is

for validating decal? you never get to eat whatever you like for the rest of your life. congratulations. that's why people develop eating disorders. that's the wrong way of thinking about things. there are four claims and goals. >> give me time. >> you're, your spiritual or philosophical life. go deeper. >> love it. >> number two, built over the ship with their family, the relationships that you did not choose. and so many cases, real friends, you and i talked about this before, we were friends, and not the old friends. deep in your friendship. faith, family, friends and work, those are the big four. >> wow, i would think about my resolution this year. what happens to the human psyche when those resolutions fell, because so many -- >> what happens is that we feel worse about ourselves. most people are actually not afraid of failure. they are afraid of their feelings if they fail. i have good students. you know my students, there's some at the best. harvard business school, boy, are they good. but they're really afraid of failing. they have failed before. but they're not afraid of failing, there are afraid of how they feel about themselves if they do fail. they're afraid of their own feelings. this is the key way to better yourself, to learn how to not be afraid of your feelings. do i have a resolution? my resolution this year is to go much deeper into faith.

this is what i. what. >> you're already a man of a. >> it's got to go deeper. it's one thing to do it, it's something else to be litigate. there are a lot of times where i go to my day, i am pretty uncharitable. i am not actually digging the tears i should be thinking, i have to say, you know what i want to do -- >> hold on, hold on, we can change our actions, but can we change our thoughts? >> we change our thoughts by changing our actions. we think that i will feel a certain way if i do something, right? it's the cause and effect. we often get it wrong. for example, i feel like i will smile more if i am happier. it turns out, if i smile when i am not happier, i get happier. you can run things in the other direction. here is my resolution. you know what i do, i complain all the time. i am a total one or. i am a veteran grumble, or and it bugs me and bothers my family. i know that this is my resolution. i am going to complain a lot less this year, and i am asking people to call me out when i start complaining. if i do that, i feel like i will have a more charitable

attitude, get deeper in my faith, deeper as the person that i want to be. that's my resolution. >> i am feeling good about my resolution this year, it's not to change my situation in life or help or work, it's to find happiness in the situations that i am already in. >> how's it going? >> so far, so good. >> five days in. >> we're only a minute in, but so far, so good. >> it really helps when you are actually paying attention to. we have this thing called the negativity bias. we look at the bad things going around you. that's evolved by the way. the bad things keep you alive, noticing the good things and i think they have. but in modern life, look at our lives. it's so great, we live in the most progressive, upwardly mobile charitable country in the history of the world, and we are getting three squares, and we have happy families, most of us, a lot of us, it's so great. yet, we're like, the food is not good in first class. it's a just craziness about our

ungrateful we. are the way to do this the way you want to do is to actually start deciding to be more grateful, as opposed to deciding to be more happy. to say that i am going to look for why i am grateful in this moment, and then, you will get happier. >> a lot. i do want to talk to you about something that is not very happy. >> what's that? >> the college that you work. at the week harvard is having, the president of the school leaving, just the hurricane that has now descended on your campus. what do you think of this, and how is harvard going to get there? it's a terribly sad moment. >> harvard will get through it. it's a great university, been around for hundreds of years, and i've had hard times in the past. we'll have our time to the future. >> but what do you think about

it all? >> the problem is that the university as become an unhappy place. when you went to college, college was something, the attitude was alive and fun. now, a lot of colleges, the culture is more one of anger and sadness. >> okay, that's so interesting, just this week, when i interviewed the head of harvard princeton, i kept thinking, it's christmas break, the senior year. when i was in that position, i was just get getting ready for spring break, thinking about where i would work, but i was filled with joy and friendship. it's so heavy. >> it's very heavy. part of that is that it's a reflection of america today. you do so much sports tough in politics. you notice no one is happy in politics. nobody laughs about politics, nobody has friendship in politics. there's a reason for. this politics in america has become a sort of activism. activism is not fun. activism is heavy, activism with anger and sadness and conflict. when he taken activists culture to a place like academia, you get a lot of anxiety, a whole lot of depression and a whole lot of problems like we see today. what's the solution? it's more inquiry, more curiosity, more sense of intellectual adventure.

these is one of the reason that we need -- to have more of the culture of, you disagree with me? bring it on, comes next to me, i want to hear it. >> do you think that being a university president right now is being a wartime president, a cultural war? >> i think it's an opportunity. i think it's a huge opportunity. by the way, being the president -- >> a hard one. >> a hard one because those are the best. if you are the president of the united states, your model should be, make america happy again. how will you do that? by loving your enemies and by laughing on tv and saying, i want this around myself of people who want to make this country happier, as opposed to complaining all the time. i was complaining about complaining, now, let me complain about everybody else complaining in this country. this is a culture of complaint. when we have too much angry activism on campus, that's an opportunity for us to turn it around. the next president of harvard will be able to do that, i think. i am excited for them. i think bad times means bad

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