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the dear colleague letter from speaker johnson. tell us what you know about this agreement. we've got a lot of numbers here. >> yes, symone. a lot of numbers. a little bit of a discrepancy and what we're hearing from republican leader, speaker johnson and democratic leaders. you mentioned we have that dear colleague letter that gives us the first sense of these top line members. you know, one point 59 trillion for fiscal year 2024, which republicans say allots 886 billion dollars in defense and 704 billion in non-defense. now, democrats are saying that they've secured more than 772 billion in non defense spending. so, this is getting a little in the weeds here. but the difference is a side card dam deal that is a 69 billion dollars, that was negotiated as part of that speaker mccarthy, biden deal. and so, that is actually sticking around, explaining

that discrepancy. what this does is it allows democrats to show that they've got more money and it allows speaker johnson to kind of get away with a little bit of a technicality here. now, what the republicans actually get out of this, well, in the letter, he outlines two key concessions that democrats made. the first being an additional ten billion in irs funding. that is gone, as well as 6 million in covid era funds. and so, he's touting that as a win and we are starting to now get some reaction from key players here that will be moving the ball forward as congress floods back to d.c. next week. we just heard from senator susan collins, who is the vice chair of the senate appropriations committee. she basically said that she whips things more defense funding is necessary, but it will do. she knows we only have 12 days, congress has that january 19th deadline to get the text of the bill negotiated and written

passed through both chambers of congress, and then these appropriations committees are going to have to get these bills out and voted on as soon as possible. so, while this bill and this toppling tax deal is a good and promising first step in avoiding that government shutdown, there is still a ways to go, symone. >> julia, i mean, are there any indications whether these numbers already have widespread support? i'm looking at the statement from the president and it says, he's touting this as a win, saying it rejects deep cuts to programs, hardworking families -- provides a path to passing full year funding bills that deliver for the american people. and are free of any extreme policies. speaker johnson, though, also touting this as a win. >> yes and i think that this messaging war that you are seeing is that you have both parties touting it as a win. that is because this bill is going to need bipartisan support to pass.

we are heading into an even slimmer majority for speaker johnson. the republicans cannot afford to lose any votes, really, on this, at this point. and so, when you have members that are hard liners, like chip roy, who just went at a rally in iowa that he was a hard no on this, you already starting to see some cracks in the foundation. but i think we're seeing some promising signs from the members of congress that have weighed in thus far, symone. >> all right, thank you. nbc's julia jester, we appreciate you. that breaking news, folks, from capitol hill comes as the leading republican candidates for president -- votes in the hawkeye state with the iowa caucuses just eight days away. and a weekend that coincides with the third anniversary of the attack on the capitol. donald trump, the former president, and current gop front runner, who's been indicted for his actions surrounding that attack, he alluded to an insurrection, one that hasn't really happened, at

the southern border. listen to this. >> terrorists are coming in also. what they are doing to our country, when you talk about insurrection, what they are doing, that's the real deal. that's the real deal. not patriotically and peacefully. peacefully and patriotically. >> i want to be very clear, there is no insurrection at the southern border, but we did see an insurrection on january 6th, 2021. and if you were worried that history could repeat itself in 2024, you certainly are not alone. according to a new cbs news poll, 49% of americans, that's nearly half, say they expect there to be violence over losses in future presidential elections. if you think those fears are misplaced, we'll, just listen to congresswoman elise stefanik. she's a member of republican house leadership who voted against certifying the 2020 election. this morning on meet the press.

>> what about 2024? >> you will see, if this is illegal and valid elections. what we're seeing so far is that democrats are so desperate, they are trying to remove president trump from the ballot. that is a suppression of the american people and the supreme court is taking that case up in february. >> the matters, of course, halted, pending that appeal, as you say. just be very clear, i don't hear you committed to certifying the election results. will you only commit to certifying the results if the if president trump wins? is that if former president trump wins? >> no, it means if they are constitutional. >> i'm sure not sure about what that means. she is refusing to say she will certify the election and that's that line of thinking, of course, that president biden is using at the main thesis of his reelection campaign, which he laid out on friday near valley forge. >> whether democracy is still a make america sacred cause is the most urgent question of our time. it's about the 2024 election is all about. the choice is clear, donald

trump's campaign is about him. not america, not you, donald trump's campaign is obsessed with the past, not the future. he is willing to sacrifice our democracy, put himself in power. >> tomorrow, the president will travel to south carolina. that is a state that resuscitated his 2020 campaign to kickstart his reelection campaign less than a month before its primary. speaking of the historic mother emmanuel ame church. that political panel joins me now. ryan finesville is a chief political reporter at the des moines register. -- msnbc contributor. former -- donald that was american is an msnbc political analyst. so is former republican congressman, david jolly of florida. all right, ryan, i remember being in iowa this time back in another primary and, you know, i was a special place. this is a time where anything

can happen eight days out. what are you watching for and is there anything that is going to fundamentally change the makeup of this race between now and january 15th? >> well, like you say, iowa is a special place. we've seen these strange things happen here in the final days of the race. you know, people ask if we know exactly what's going to happen and this has been a remarkably stable race. we haven't seen a lot of the changing of, you know, who's in the league, who is in second place, a whole lot. it's been remarkably stable, but one thing that i always note is that in our last poll, the des moines register nbc news i will pull from december, about half of likely republican congress goers say that they have not made up their minds for president yet. and so, we're in these final weeks, these candidates are on the ground constantly. the airwaves are flooded with tv ads and we are seeing things move. this is when people are making their decisions. they're watching what these candidates are seeing right now and they're using that to make up their minds and really solidify their choices. but as far as what we are

watching, we are really watching this race for second place between ron desantis and nikki haley, to see who can come closest to donald trump. it remains the front runner. >> you know, brian, can you just break down a little bit for folks who may not be familiar with the iowa caucuses? obviously, caucusing takes a little time and in iowa, is this a winner situation? or is this a situation where someone could come in second or third place and still receive delegates to go toward that number that they need to be the republican nominee? >> i was iowa's a really unique state. we can talk about delegates, that becomes really important in later states. but in iowa, it's really about the media narrative. it's about who can claim momentum going into new hampshire? so, if you come into iowa and you perform better than expected, that's a win for you. so, if we're looking at the polls, ron desantis and nikki haley are about neck and neck. ron desantis is about 19%, nikki haley is about 16%. if either of them can close the

gap that donald trump significantly, bring down that 30 point lead that he has, to maybe 15, 20%, they can claim some of that momentum and drive the narrative going into new hampshire. that's going to be more important for them than any kind of delegate -- at this point, to prove to people that their candidacy is resonating with caucus goers, with the american people, and that they have momentum moving forward. >> all right, congressman, then let's talk about nikki haley. she's had some momentum, but she's made a few, i just mean the statements lately between refusing to think slavery is a cause of the civil war, citing that she had black friends growing up. what effect, if any, might these statements have on her showing in iowa? >> none in the republican primary. sadly, it might actually help her. but i think obviously, we know in a general election and to persuadable voters, they look at nikki haley's recent statements and say, i thought you were somehow different than donald trump and ron desantis. but clearly, you are not.

i would say, nikki haley kind of has the least pressure on her going into iowa. for one reason. because donald trump and ron desantis have all of the pressure. the two absolutes in iowa are donald trump must win and arguably win big, and ron desantis must come in second. he has bet everything on iowa. he has the endorsement of the governor. one of the strong faith leaders in the state. this is everything to him. if he comes in third behind nikki haley, his campaign is done if it's not already done, and there would be an expectation that he would drop out and leave it a one-on-one race between haley and trump. nikki haley, her momentum is really in new hampshire, and that's why you see donald trump hitting her on the airwaves in this state. >> new hampshire is the next contest. i know governor chris christie is also hoping to stake a claim in new hampshire as well. congressman, you know, we are talking about the primary, but it's inextricably a conversation that's also linked to november, 2024. when you served in the house, you served alongside new york

congresswoman elise stefanik and i've heard her described when she first came into office as, you know, more of a moderate republican. someone that did not believe in these conspiracy theories. are you surprised by, one, how she has transformed? and to, by her comments today about not pledging to certify the results of the 2024 election? >> she is rivaling only lindsey graham and how amorphous she's been since she arrived. we got to the house about the same time and to your point, she was kind of a mitt romney, paul ryan republican. but they quickly evolved into a trump, maga republican, really solely because she saw the leadership track. whether it be speaker of the house or what's now obvious, elista phonic is desperate, desperate to beat donald trump's pick to be his vice president running mate. it can't go without saying, though, her comments today were despicable on two fronts. first, to refer to the january 6th convicts as hostages's plane right into the false narrative across the country

about january six. then secondly, the suggest you may not certify the election, that is a dangerous tipping point for the nation. if donald trump were to lose and not accept defeat, but to have at least a fine again his allies back him up on that so early, suggests we really are and dangerous moment. elise stefanik, we used to think knows better. clearly, she doesn't. she should be condemned for her remarks today. >> i just would like to remind everyone that it was the lies about the 2020 election being stolen that led to the harrowing day we saw on january 6th, 2021, with insurrectionists taking over the capitol and assaulting police officers. goodness. okay, congresswoman edwards, all of this is happening amidst president biden giving the opening salvo for his 2024 reelection campaign. it's now being reported that president obama met with president biden in december and this is according to the washington post, the former president is urging the current president to bolster his campaign.

the washington post notes that president obama has even be more explicit with people close to present biden, suggesting thathe campaign needs to move aggressively as, you know, donald trump appears poised to wrap up republican nomination quickly. you have run a number of different campaigns. what do you think about this advice? do you think president biden needs to hear it? >> well, i do think that president biden and his campaign need to be far more aggressive in challenging the distinctions between a donald trump potential presidency and a biden presidency. i'm glad that the president has actually leaned in to the issues of democracy, to abortion rights, and the vice president go on the road around reproductive freedom. and hearing mother emmanuel church really highlighting another real distinction where the american people are one place and republicans are another.

that is around gun violence. and so, i actually think leaning into these very distinct differences between a donald trump presidency and a biden presidency is what's going to win this thing. you can't even do that by soft pedaling. you have to go after donald trump and you have to go after him. where the american people are. the american people are clearly on the side of democracy, reproductive freedom, andghts. >> my colleague kristen walker, the moderator of meet the press, she asked biden's deputy campaign manager quentin fulks about that very meeting between the two presidents this morning on meet the press. take a listen. >> does the campaign see this warning by former president obama as a wake up call? will there be structural changes to the campaign? >> look, our campaign has been awake since the president announced in april, which is why we've come out the gate swinging. his wife put innovative, organizing permits in place to be able look, our campaign has been away since they to communicate -- announced in april, on the ground, which is we've come out

of the why we've made gate swinging and put investments to constituency media. the longest in a gate of programs to begin to communicate voters on the ground, we've made investments at meetings, the largest investments to voter of color, hispanic voters, young voters, or than any other presidential campaign. now we're in the phase where more people are paying attention, that's why we're making the choice. >> congresswoman, putting folks with forced detailed response, what do you think? >> it's important to make these investments. the messaging from the campaign needs to be even more strident. i'm concerned that we could lose, even if we lose a sliver of black women, a sliver of black man, people of color, this is the difference between winning an election and not. i'm glad that campaign is doubling down on these based communities of the democratic party. we actually need to hear that coming from president biden as well. it's good for him for being in

south carolina in the coming weeks. >> all right, we'll leave it there. congresswoman donna edwards, former congressman, david jolly, and our iowa guru, brianne pfannenstiel. think you very much. coming up, former capitol police officer harry dunn grabbing a seat in the united states congress, why he's riding and what he thinks about the threat to democracy, three years after the insurrection. and the ex president, donald, trump heads back to courtrooms this week and washington and in new york state. the critical case updates we could see in the days i had. but first, my bestie is here, my colleague richard lui, with today's other top news stories. richard, i'm gonna miss our time this afternoon. what is happening in the world? >> reporter: equally to you, my fellow bestie, all missed this time. we have a lot to share with you this afternoon. first off, officials now saying the alaska airlines incident could have been, quote, much more tragic, this weekend as you know the faa announced it wants expectations of all

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2020 to announce his candidacy on friday. just one day before the third anniversary of the day that changed his life. he wrote, quote, on january six, i defended our democracy from insurrectionists as a capitol police officer. after, president biden attorney with the presidential citizens medal. today, i'm running for congress to stop trump's maga extremist and ensure that it never happens again. harry dunn joins me now. first and foremost, thank you for coming in, how big of role, is january six the reason that you decided to work with congress, had that day not happened would you be sitting here? >> maybe not this time in place. i always wanted to dedicate my life to public service. i wanted, my plan, to serve a full career at the capitol police, retire, and then maybe consider that. january 6th did happen though and i feel like rattling right now where we can't stand around and wait.

i can't wait until i have the opportunity to retire because i do believe, i said it before, i think we're one election cycle away from democracy as we know it. >> the ad you used to launch a campaign, i thought it was very powerful, it juxtapose imagery of january 6th that day at the capitol, i want to play some of that ad for the folks. >> we can't ever let this happen again. and you've heard it from trump himself. he is how about on finishing when he started this day. i'm stepping into a new rule today. but i cannot do it alone. i believe every one of us has a role to play in this fight. join me, we've got a democracy to protect. >> very powerful ad. the race you're jumping into, there is a lot of aspiring members of congress, why you over everyone else and this primary? >> great question.

you know, i'm not a career politician, i'm a career public servant. what i do believe is right now we're in a moment in this experiment that we're embarking upon in american democracy. i refer to it as a moment, january six if it didn't happen, maybe i'm not the guy for this job, but i've shown that i've been willing to stand up and fight back and do everything that i can to defend democracy. and that includes protecting members of congress that i disagree with, one set of called me a liar, that have called me whitewashed and downplayed everything me my coworkers one through. i'm able to stand up, i've been doing that, also, i resigned from the capitol police for your show to being able to elect a full retirement to collect a full pension, i walked away from the job, i believe it's that important, we cannot wait. with all due respect to the other candidates, a lot of them, if and when they lose this primary, local right back to their jobs in indianapolis.

i understand it's a crowded field, i respect all of them, but this moment right now, i do believe i'm the right person for the job. >> president trump, former president trump, ex president, honey, he had a lot to say yesterday, i want to play some of that for folks right now. >> mister president, do you write any of your actions on january six? >> do you regret any of your actions on january six? mister president, mister president, did you intend to stay in power on january six? >> mister president are you concerned that you'll be a front runner -- ? >> that's donald trump and norman quest, nothing groundbreaking there, there's something else i want to play. this is donald trump yesterday. >> and with your help we're going to bring back our country, we'll bring it back from hell, this country has been in hell. what they have done, you know what they ought to do, they

ought to release the j six hostages, they've suffered enough, they ought to release them. i call them hostages, some people call them prisoners, i call them hostages, release the j six hostages, joe. release them, joe, you can do it real easy, joe. >> referring to the insurrectionist as hostages, elise stefanik, with whom if you are elected you likely serve with in this congress, xi to echo donald trump's words on meet the press. how do you push back against that? and to add a finer point, we talk about democracy, there's some people out there that say, hey, there's only a subset of folks that vote for democracy, what about the economy, what do you say to that criticism that your argument is not a full -- speaks to the wide electorate? >> the funny thing about that, that attracts donald trump, he doesn't think he did something wrong, of course he doesn't

think that individuals on january 6th did anything wrong. he'll have to answer for that hopefully soon in the court, once a supreme court, hopefully, does the right thing and allows that immunity claim to not stand. you refer to it, if you remember back, at first he's chasing his tongue about january six, that he did not do anything, and if he did do something he's immune to it. which one is it? with regards to people talking about, it's so much more than democracy in the economy, everything like that, my argument is that all these things that are under attack, women's access to choose for health care, access to voting rights, common sense gun reform, i believe all of those fall under the umbrella of democracy. if we have a dictator, even if just for a day, what becomes of it? if what he wants goes at that point. he's already come out against those issues. i do believe, yes, i am having

democratic principles and values but if we don't have, if we don't have a democracy, it goes out the window. >> seems straightforward to me, harry dunn, we'll be watching this race, harry dunn, former capitol hill police officer now candidate for congress. >> harry dunn for congress.com, check it out, donate i can't do without this country and maryland district, thank. you >> thank you so much, harry dunn. still ahead, folks, donald trump is heading back to the court in washington this week, supreme court will weigh in on donald trump's fight to stay on the ballot in colorado. i have a lead expert joining me to explain all that could unfold. stick around. stick around ccinated against the flu, but don't forget this season's updated covid-19 shot too. oh... stuffed up again? so congested! you need sinex saline from vicks.

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standing sometime in courtrooms this week. when we finally get clarity on two outstanding legal questions. the first, is trump immune from prosecution for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results, simply because he was esident at the time? it sounds crazy, but it's a question. the second, how will donald trump be held accountable after being found liableor committing business fraud in new york? on tuesday, trump will appear at the u.s. court of appeals in washington, d.c.. the court will hear opening stements about absolute immunity. donald trump's legal team is arguing that the constitution feels the former president from criminal charges, special

counsel's 2020 election interference case, because he was president at the time of his action. the theory has never been tested in court. that you can just do crimes and because your president it is okay. but whatever happens it will impact the scope of executive power going forward. on thursday, donald trump will be in manhattan for the closing arguments in the new york civil fraud trial against him. new york attorney general, letitia james, has asked that the former president pay a 370 million dollar fine. and face a lifetime ban from the real estate industry in the state. a move that could cripple his business empire. we catherine christian, she's one of our favorites legal analyst and former assistant district attorney in manhattan. catherine, thank you for being here today, can you make it make sense for everyone out there on this question of presidential immunity? the trump team's argument i will note is quite broad, how significant is this push for

immunity from prosecution for actions in a president has taken while in office? it seems ludicrous, is there are some -- >> juraj, i don't believe there is any there there, they need to make the argument. i must say that i'm certain but i'm pretty certain that the d.c. circuit court of appeals will say that he does not have immunity from crimes. it would make no sense, presidents would be able to assault people, take bribes, they'd be able to trade national security secrets. and then we'll see if, if donald trump loses, assuming he loses, we'll see if the supreme court takes it. and how long that court will twist themselves into a pretzel to say that a former president is immune from criminal prosecution for crimes that he committed when he was president. i think this will all happen very quickly, meaning the decisions, i think the d.c. circuit will come up with a quick decision as well the

supreme court if they take the case. >> the federal election interference case has been paused while this immunity question is appealed. now the trump team has asked the special counsel, jack smith, be held in contempt. they're asking because he filed motions after judge chutkan said that she was delaying them again, pausing everything for the appeal. jack smith's office pushed back, they said they were voluntarily sticking to those deadlines and that they had said exactly that. i'm really curious about what you think, obviously, judge chutkan issued a stay while this immunity situation is being worked out. but jack smith seems to say, we're gonna work in background, when questions are asked about we can be on track, is this a delay tactic or again, is there they're there? >> it's unusual, i'll say this for my case has been stayed for either side to continue falling motions. however, in this case the

special counsel that say to the court, we'll continue filing, the court did not say, oh no, you don't. it's not, it's unusual but it's not contemptuous particularly because the court did not say, don't you dare file anything, and after they filed she did not say that. this is not a very successful argument by the trump team, the judge did not tell them to do it and asked him to stay said, stop filing. >> let's talk new york, it's a civil fraud trial in new york, in this case donald trump has been liable for draw fraud. -- how liable is he, how much money will we have to pay, will he be able to do business in new york. where do you think this is gonna come down? >> i think the judge, there are gonna be doing their closing arguments on both sides of this friday, the judge will then make the decision whether the company falsified this record,

falsified for false financial statements, and committed insurance fraud, there are additional courses of action but the bottom line is, as you said, the judges already ruled earlier that this company has committed repetitive, persistent fraud. but it's left to the judge to make the ultimate decision. it's very important because if the a.g. gets that multi million dollar fine, and he needs, the company, mr. trump into other people can no longer do business in new york, it's a big deal, this is donald trump's identity that he's the wealthiest man, a successful businessman in the world. this is why it's such an important case to donald trump. >> this goes directly at the heart of his pockets, his wealth. finally, can we look ahead to the challenge of trump's ballot eligibility in colorado. what we know now is that the supreme courts can hear arguments in february.

relaying this court, catherine, they've surprises us before, they surprised me with a section to voting rights decision in alabama. what kind of things you think they'll take into consideration on this? >> well, i think they well, because the arguments on february 8th, this decision will happen before super tuesday on march 5th. most people think that they will overturn the colorado supreme court, but other lawyers think they're not gonna touch the insurrection issue so they can decide this without saying, donald trump did or did not commit insurrection. they can say congress is the one who needs to enact the law, they can say section three does not involve the presidency. i do think they will come up with a decision before march 5th, super tuesday. >> we well, i'll put that in my pocket, catherine, and hope for the sake of the country that that's the case. catherine christian, thank you very much we appreciate you joining us. coming up next, harvard's

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beforehand. frankly, they were answers that were counseled to give. soon after the hearing last month, the next day, gay apologized, harvard issued a statement of support for gay, that they had confidence that she could heal the campus community. conservative activism leach a pressure campaign to oust gay, the calder mediocre, unqualified, and affirmative action hire. and they falsely called her -- let's be clear, harvard has never accused doctor claudine gay of plagiarizing anything, she stands by her work but offered to make minor changes to improper citations. that folks, is not plagiarism. but the support started to crumble and she made the decision to resign saying, quote, after consultation with members of the corporation, it has become clear that it is in the best interest of harvard for me to resign. so that our community can navigate this moment of extraordinary challenge, put the focus on institution rather than any individual. harvard to sided it was

unwilling to weather the storm of criticism. -- gay, who became the first black president in the second woman to lead the university and all of harva's 387 year story, published an op-ed and in the new york times, she wrote, it's not lost on me that i make an ideal canvas for projecting every anxiety about the generational and demographic changes of american campuses, a black woman selected to lead a storied institution. claudine gay was in the top job when the most prestigious universities in the world, this may come as a shocker to some folks out there, black women don't get handed anything without qualifications, especially president of the most prestigious university in the world. if anything, we need to go above and beyond to prove our worth. as women, especially women of color, especially black women, we need to be unicorns to break glass ceilings just earn half asuch as our white male counterparts.

and her op-ed, she issued a wake up call for america, writing, having now seen how quickly the truth can become a casuty amid controversy,i urge a broader caution, a tense moments every one of us must be more skeptical than ever of the loudest and most extreme voices in our culture. however well organized or well connected they might be. what happened to claudine gay, it's chilling, it's part of a larger war on diversity, on history, on black people in this country, people of color. and if one of the most prestigious universities in the world came to pressure from the conservative activists mob, who won't stand up to them than? if our institutions will not stand up firm in the face of lies, targeting, and vitriol, then who will? this is a moment where institutions, individuals, people, must be willing to stand strong against the storm of targeted attacks from political extremists.

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every legal avenue available to him to overturn the election, everyone. the legal path just took trump back to the truth. that i had won the election and he was a loser. >> that may have been the highlight of president biden's speech on friday. he laid out the danger of a second trump presidency and no uncertain terms. and an urgent threat to democracy. the powerful speech came two days after the president met with a small group of historians, they urged him to speak out against his potential 2024 challenger forcefully. one of the historians, president biden sat down with last week joins me now. eddie s. glaude jr., professor at princeton university, an msnbc contributor. thank you for being here, what do you think about what you heard from the president on friday, didn't hit the mark of the conversation you had with him? >> i think irrespective of our conversation he did a good job in framing the stakes of the

election. i think the idea, the question of whether or not american democracy is still a sacred cause, it's a question we all need to answer. i think at the end, to ask the question of who are we? is an absolutely central question in this moment, we faced such an enormous challenge whether or not we will survive as a democracy as we know it. >> in the speech when the president said, we know who donald trump is, the question is who are we. i agree with you, it's a central question we. do you think folks really understand the moment that we're in, there are a lot of people that say, i think some people are being dramatic, it's a bit of hyperbole. there are people out there, serve, that don't believe how great the threat is to our democracy in 2024. >> and to my demise, great question, if those folks are complicit in the danger it seems to me. we need to understand the 25%

of the country that committed themselves to supporting a grifter, a charlatan, a person who has no interest in democracy, and his only interest in himself and his own needs and desires and wants. and we face at this moment, irrespective of donald trump, we faced people trying to restrict the vote, we face a kind of the cultural war as people are trying to live into these divides, whether they're blue, red, urban, rural, democrat or republican, however you want to describe it, we're in the midst of a continuing conversation of this war. and choices need to be made, side seem to be chosen, and those that are going about their business thinking that everything will be okay, they're gonna look up and everything is gonna crumble and collapse right in front of them if they don't understand the urgency of now. >> you know you mentioned the civil war, i don't know how -- it's actually been quite a toc of conversation in the republican presidential prary. donald trump said, it could've

been avoided, like the civil war, it could've been avoided. if president lincoln had negotiated with the south. and of course, your former south carolina governor, nikki haley, doing damage control after she failed to mention slavery when asked about the cause of the civil war. is this part of the game if you will of the current republican party apparatus to not talk about the conflict accurately? is this intentional? >> oh, absolutely. we're in the midst of a kind of second lost cause. the lost cause of you remember is this ideological movement to tell a different story about the civil war, to give it a different account of reconstruction, to minimize the role of slavery, to hide in the question of states right to talk about culture, tradition, and heritage. this is an attempt to rewrite history, at the end of the 19th century, here we are in this moment hearing echoes, the

basic refrain, it's important to mention, for those folks who are shall we say content with the moment, i want folks to understand the implication of the collapse of reconstruction. from 1868 to 1898, 30 year period, 53,000 black folks were killed, 53,000 black folks were killed as the nation walked back its effort to be a multi racial democracy. symone, i'm not talking about spectacular lynchings, and talk about killing with folks who are -- walking out from their farms, trying to in some ways terrorize those people who became the new leaders of the country. we have a historical precedent for the moment if that makes sense. >> it makes perfect sense to me, professor, i'm very happy that you continue to tell the truth about this, history is an unbroken continuity and those that do not know their history

are doomed to repeat. it eddie glaude jr., thank you very much. folks, i couldn't think of a better way to end today, it's the final edition of symone on msnbc. i want to save some time today to say, thank you. for nearly two years i've sat at this desk, we brought you the news you needed to know from politics, pop culture, we made a point to pull back the curtain and see what's happening behind the scenes. and ask all the questions. especially the hard ones. we stay true to that mission and interviewed our nation's top leaders in washington and beyond. we covered breaking news, including many horrific mass shootings, constant threats to our democracy, and we brought you special coverage of wars abroad that are still being waged. we have gleaned analysis from strategist both democrats and republicans, and they've helped us unpack everything from the midterm elections, to abortion rights, to the perils that the moxie continues to face. i've had the esteemed honor to

ride to the occasion for you at four pm every saturday and sunday, it's been my pleasure to give you the information and the facts, the context required to understand what is happening here in the united states of america, across the globe. i've been delighted because i had a team full of people that help me along the way. and while i cannot name everyone and our team, i'm gonna say a huge thank you to each and every one of you from my producers, my makeup artists, to the production crew. special shout out to my ep, catherine, you know, your hard work behind the scenes, folks, help make sure that this show was the best that it could truly, truly be. it was an honor, a pleasure. thank you so much for watching our final episode of symone, on this sunday. i'm symone sanders townsend, and i want you all to remember, this is while i'm sad to see four pm go in the afternoon, you know i like to sleep in. i'm excited to become a morning

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