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that's not the first time i've said it, far from it. the 14th amendment case heads to the supreme court with existential danger that donald trump poses to our democracy. plus, pictures don't lie. the horrors in gaza through the lens of now iconic palestinian photographer murtaza a visa. finally, republicans in control of the messaging law, while they are taking a victory lap over claudine gay resigning. when will liberals push back? good evening, i am mehdi hasan. three years, ago i launched the show with a very stark warning about the danger imposed to american democracy by one donald j trump. tonight, on the very last edition of the mehdi hasan show, yes, our last show. i want to begin by again warning you all about the threat to our democracy from donald j trump. the donald trump who was running for president again,

who's leading joe biden in some of the polls. and who continues to make violent authoritarian unconstitutional threats about his political opponents. the donald trump who three years ago yesterday incited a violent assault on the united states capitol as part of a desperate but coordinated attempt to try and stay in office. and yet these days, according to a new washington post marital poll, the percentage of americans that think trump has a great deal of responsibility for the january 6th attack is at just 53%, down from 60% two years ago. the country is in trouble, there's no denying that. let's start tonight by going back two or three years, and goes back 156 years. as steve portnoy reported for abc news back in the spring of 1868, the united states senate was debating aassage of the 14th amendment. specifically section three, which many of you now know says in p no person should be a senate or representative in congress, or elector of devices

-- hold any civil or military office in the united states, or any state whhad previously ta oath, as a member of congress, or anficeof the united states. shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid and comfort to the enemies ereof. as portnoy veed, to keep, quote, emerged hat debate of the framers of section three. the firs former republican senator fredrick van winkel, who said that this would go into our constitution, and to stand to govern future insurrection as well as the president. i should like to have that point definitely understood. the second quote from republican senator laura moral, who said whether the presidency and vice presidency were excled from section three of the 14th amendment by making this very definitive closing statement. quote, let me call the senators attention to the words of hold any office, civil or military, under the united states. case closed. section three of the 14th

amendment covers all insurrections, not just a civil war. it covers all officeholders, including the president and vice president. it would be crazy if it did not. look, the reason we are talking so much about the 14th amendment these days is because last month, the colorado supreme court relied on the 14th amendment to rule that donald trump should be excluded from that states republican primary ballot because he engaged in insurrection. as the majority of justices on that court wrote, quote, president trump asked us to hold that section three disqualifies every oath breaking insurrectionist except for the most powerful one. it barr's oath breakers from virtually every office, both state and federal, except the highest one in the land. both results are inconsistent with the plain language and history of section three. on friday, the united states supreme court announced they would decide on whether the colorado supreme court's decision stands. will the justices on the nation's highest bench rely on that plane language in history of section three?

will the conservative justices making up the 6 to 3 majority, often citing originalism, or reading the constitution in line with what the framers originally intended as their guiding doctrine. will they drop originalism on this one case to help trump? a lot of conservative legal scholars have commentated, including judge michael luttig. they new york times david french, and also the two authors of the university of penn law debates, saying that section three is self executing of a criminal conviction. they all say that this is an open and shut case. of course, the supreme court is not guided only by the constitution, it is great guided by politics and partisanship. don't take my word for it, take the word of donald trump's own lawyer on fox this week. >> it should be a supreme court slammed, i have faith in them. people like kavanaugh, who the president fought for, who the president went through hell to get into place. she will step up.

>> your justice kavanaugh, if you had any south we're specht, wouldn't you recuse yourself from this case right now? shouldn't all democrats be calling for kavanaugh's recusal? not to mention clarence thomas's recusal. clarence thomas, whose wife is accused of being involved in trump efforts to overturn the last election. on friday, president joe biden who will likely face off against trump this november, gave a speech slamming the former president, declaring democracy is the central issue of the 2024 race. >> today, we are here to answer the most important questions. it is democracy still americas sacred cause? that is with the 2024 election is all about. the choice is clear. donald trump's campaign is about him. he's willing to sacrifice our democracy. >> still, far too many democrats do not seem to understand what is at stake when mains decreased -- secretary of state removed trump from the ballot last

month. she was attacked by all but other democrats, including her states independent senator, angus king, who caught this with the democrats. he said while a lot of centrist democrats and independents have been saying in recent days. quote, the decision as to whether or not mr. trump should again be considered for the presidency should rest within the people as expressed in free and fair elections. it sounds nice, but the fundamental problem with that argument is that the people decided in 2020, 81 million to 74 million. and yet trump did not accept their decision. he tried to overturn that decision violently. there is no reason to believe that he will not do that again in november. that's why he shouldn't be on the ballot. that's why the framers of section three of the 14th amendment came up with it in the first place. to deal with a liberal, anti democratic threats like trump. and yet the same republicans who obsess over the second amendment think the 14th amendment is optional. the same supreme court justices the recess over the original intent of the framers are

probably going to ignore that original intent next month in favor of donald trump. the same donald trump incited an insurrection just three years ago could be either president again in a year's time, or launch another insurrection. it is safe to say that america's crisis of democracy sadly is far from over. here to discuss, colorado secretary of state jen griswold. thank you so much for coming on the show this evening. secretary, you have been vocal in your calls for the supreme court to settle this matter swiftly. how much faith the you actually have in this conservative court? you heard trump's own lawyer calling on justice kavanaugh to quote step up. is this all just a charade by a politicized pro trump court, or is there a reason to be hopeful? >> good evening, and thank you for having me on. i really do think that what trump's attorney said is a bigger reflection of him. donald trump wants people around him to be loyal to him, and nobody else.

who cares about their duty? he acts like a mob boss trying to curry favor's. it just underlines how dangerous he is to our country. in regards to the supreme court, i do think that it is important to take this final step, but ultimately i am not waiting on the supreme court to save democracy. i think that the american people will do it again. donald trump is an extreme danger to this country, so much that the extremist maga politicians in some of the highest offices of this country, and americans have continued to show up to stop this maga extremism. i do hope that that happens again this year. >> of course, the problem is that even if americans show up, and even if they vote for biden again, even if he wins the popular and electoral college vote as he did in 2020, you still have these extremist maga republicans, one of whom is elise stefani, a member of house gop leadership. take a listen to what she said on meet the press today about whether she would vote to confirm the next election results.

>> just to be very clear, i do not hear you committing to certifying the election result. will you only commit to certifying the results if they are constitutional? >> if they are constitutional. >> does that mean donald trump? >> it means if they are constitutional. >> isn't this the problem, the just turning up to vote does not work when you have all of these actors on the republican side trying to basically rig an election in their favor? >> well, what we have seen in the recent elections is the extremist agenda really back firing on them. you look at what conservatives have wanted for so long when it comes to the right to abortion care. people really showing up to vote for pro-choice leaders in places that frankly have been very shocking too much of the nation, like kansas or ohio. it is not just that congresswoman who is a danger to democracy. the second person in line to the presidency, the speaker of

the house is an election denier. his lies, people like him lies have been used to really destabilize our elections. with all of that said, yes, i do have faith that the american people can write this train and save democracy. i have faith that the courts will intervene, the congress people who will try to stop the certification in a peaceful transfer of presidency. >> back in june, brazil's court blocked its former president, a very trumpian jair bolsonaro from running again in 2030, because you initially refused to accept defeat, making unfounded claims about that election system. what does it say about america that countries like brazil are taking harsher action against election deniers and pro insurrection is like we have? >> i cannot comment on the internal laws and constitution of brazil. i think that it highlights the role that extremist leaders

have taken across the world. right here in the united states, i strongly agreed with the colorado supreme court's decision. there have been two courts looking at the question of whether donald trump engaged in the insurrection. they both said yes. just like the colorado supreme court said, there should not be a loophole in the constitution for the president. i am hopeful that the united states supreme court will uphold colorado's decision, but just like you, we will see. >> at the color of the supreme court, also cheekily including a neil gorsuch ruling from a few years back. we'll be interested to see what he does with this. in the wake of this lawsuit, you said you've received a lot of death threats, so many that you stopped counting, which is horrible to hear. i hope they are safe and well tonight. it just reminds us all that this is not about a one filed insurrection for a january 6th with trump supporters, it's about a ruling insurrection, ongoing threats against

election officials like yourself. >> that is right. i think that there is a tendency to get very focused on the latest events. this lawsuit has caused violent threats against me, the supreme court of colorado, the secretary of state of maine. to share with you, it didn't start with this lawsuit. violent threats and death threats, against secretaries of state and election officials started in 2020. they've not stopped. they are very gendered. the majority of election officials are women. they are looking to destabilize our democracy by intimidating people out of their jobs. i will not be intimidated. we have to condemn their rhetoric of violence, it is so despicable to not see high-ranking republicans in congress doing that on a consistent basis. their silence is complicity. >> well said. colorado secretary of state, janet griswold, we will see

appreciate your bravery, we hope you stay safe. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> in his remarks on friday, president biden recounted the hate and violence of display at capitol on january 6th, displaying this particular anecdote. >> one capitol police officer called it a medieval battle. that same officer called -- raising names. he said he was more afraid in the capital of the united states of america and the chambers then when he was fighting as a soldier in the war on iraq. he was more afraid inside of the halls of congress. more than he was fighting the war in iraq. >> the man to whom biden was referring there is former united states capitol -- in his new book, american shield, the immigrant surge the defended democracy. he shares what he witnessed that day at the capitol, and how it has impacted his life since. sergeant gonell joins us now.

thank you so much for joining us. congratulations, although i wish that that hadn't happened to you. a recent poll found that 18% of republican voters believe that january 6th rioters were mostly vient. another poll found that 66% of gop voters support pardons for those that stormed the capitol. here's what you wrote in your book about your experience with that mob on 16. quote, the back of my eyes with hot as a witness to fellow officers brazenly beaten with pipes, sticks, and rocks by rioters chanting fight for trump, usa, usa. they are numbered american flags, and for a second i frozen fear. i've seen this kind of unbridled rage in iraq when the base had been under attack, and i knew this was bad. sergeant gonnell, you are out here with the insurrectionists. we have seen pictures of some of the attacks on you. what would you say to these republican voters to make them change their minds about what they happened on january 6th. >> thank you for having me on your show, mehdi hasan.

what i would say to them is that i will work with them for where i was on january 6th. i will show them the same videos and pictures that you are showing. they don't have the courage to do that. while i was there, in the aftermath of january 6th, only liz cheney and kissinger had the courage to meet up with me and find out exactly what had happened to me. what i witnessed, what were my actions, and how i had helped to defend the capitol on january 6th from trump's supporters. i often passed by some of the officials to deny what happened, and they look away, or pretend to be doing something else. like lindsey graham, tim greene, kevin mccarthy, and so forth. they do not have the courage to face those officers, what they went through, all they are

doing is for election purposes, and for power. this is -- making up steps like the hostage. things like what stephanie said this morning. are you serious? these are people that have been convicted in court of violent actions that they have made, criminal actions for that election. >> when you hear elise stefani, a member of house gop leadership talking about people that attacked you and former colleagues as hostages, what are you in the former colleagues still in the force, still protecting people like stephanie? you guys are protecting people who are protecting the people that attacked you. >> yes. it is insane. but as i described it in my book, american shield, the first couple of chapters. it is a betrayal for the sacrifices on january 6th. it's a sacrifice on the lives,

and every effort that we got on january 6th to prevent them from getting hurt. the only reason they stayed without any harm, none of those elected officials were not hurt is because of the actions of myself and my colleagues on january 6th. if they really think that those people are hostages were, or political prisoners, then what are we, the police officers? who are we to them? this is coming from the party of law and order in quotation marks. i cannot believe those policies anymore, because they do not believe that. a couple of weeks ago, speaker mike johnson said in a press conference that they are the party of law and order. they are the law. transparency, accountability, and yet in the same sentence, the same breath of the line that he was saying, he said let's blur out the faces of the

peaceful -- or innocent individuals so that the department of justice can not identify and prosecute these rioters. it is insane the way they are trying to rush this away, what happened. >> insane indeed. quick question to you before we run out of time. i want to ask you about this case going before the supreme court, which will decide if trump can remain on the 2024 ballot. part of it is about what happened on january 6th, was it insurrection? whether trump engaged in insurrection. you are there on the ground. should the supreme court hear from people like you? what would you say to the supreme court if they ask you that question? >> call me up, i will volunteer without them calling me if that is the case. i will volunteer. i will gladly give my peace on what happened. and give my testimony, my account of what happened, what i witnessed. how many people, how many

people assaulted me on january 6th. i am very adamant about -- >> in your view, certainly an insurrection? >> yes, yes it was. anybody that took part of orchestrating should be held accountable. >> sergeant gonell, thank you so much for your time tonight. american shield, immigrant shark sergeant the defended democracy is the book. we appreciate you taking time. >> thank you, hasan, i'm sorry this is your last show. >> we appreciate you being on it. still to come, my conversation with palestinian photojournalist motors as asia, who -- has struck a chord around the world. around th world. [bell ringing] and doug says, “you can customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual.” he hits his mark —center stage— and is crushed by a baby grand piano. are you replacing me?

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ecstatic cleansing. the finance minister said that in an interview last, week and israeli army radio, if we act strategically, correctly, living in the gaza strip, we will not allow a solution where 200 million people live there. if there are 200 -- all the tk out the day after will be different. israel's national minister says that the war presents an opportunity to -- for the residents of gaza. he calls it a ingest moral solution. the biden administration says that they reject such calls, and supporters say that there are no guys. they are fringe figures. i'm not sure how fringe you could really consider the mine -- finance minister anonal security minute -- ethnic cleansing is a war crime. israel continues to deny that they are committing war crimes in gaza, even if journalists on the ground continue to document those rights groups, even they

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has amassed more than 17 million followers on instagram for his work documenting this conflict. his photo of a little palestinian girl trapped under the rubble in gaza was picked by time magazine as one of their top ten photos of 2023. >> motaz, think you so much for coming on the show today. i know how difficult it is to do interviews like this. i will start with the tragic news out of gaza today. as the journalist hamza l had two was killed by an israeli missile strike. the son of algae is yours bureau chief, who was injured recently and last multiple family members. another journalist killed today in the israeli air strike. what's your reaction to that news? more and more journalists are being killed, i believe you knew them well. you posted earlier today about a picture of you at hamza's wedding last year. >> yes, he is my friend. and most of all, he is my friend.

i just want to say that days before hamza was killed by an israeli airstrike, targeting their car, he was telling me about missing his mom, he missed his mom and members of his family. just a month ago, an israeli airstrike hit their house in the strip. and so it was shocking to me to open my eyes and tried to check the news of what was happening around. there was a lot of heavy machine gun sounds around me. the area i am living in was filled with smoke, flames in the sky, and there is a lot of bombing. he was just checking the news, and suddenly i heard a friend of mine, a journalist who was with me in my house. he said, hamza was killed.

believe me, i know that i witnessed a lot of massacres in the last years, the last days. i lost a lot of friends, this was shocking to me. especially mustafa. he was hit by a drone, a guy filming the drone. all of the videos you see was from a drone. and so mustafa and hamza, the heart is breaking for them. especially when you can't even say goodbye because they were in rafah. it is a long way. and it just so dangerous. >> from where i am sitting, motaz, it looks like there is a war and journalists in gaza. a record number of journalists have been killed in this conflict so far. how hard is it for you as a photojournalist to survive?

to stay alive as you do what you do on a daily basis? you have lost colleagues, lost friends as you mentioned. thankfully, you are still standing. how do you do it? >> if -- you believe, me i was going to be killed in the first day. thank god for saving me until now. i was going to lose my life multiple times, but thank god again and again they do not want us to save it. they know that we show the realities of the terror of the state, what they are doing. the israeli terrorism, killing journalists, killing palestinians, killing innocent people. they do not want us to show the truth. >> your picture of a young

palestinian girl, trapped under the rubble who thankfully, unlike thousands of other kids in gaza survived. talk to us about this particular picture. >> this picture as a photographer, i would say it's one of the strongest moments that i captured during the war. for a girl that is -- she was living in an eight story building. the israelis destroyed, it and she made it to survive. nobody was like seeing her, but they were trying to with my camera, with my camera in the small holes showing inside the building, they destroyed building. i was using the low shutter speed so i could get more light to see. i was trying, going here and there to see if somebody was still alive, somebody who is

above the rubble so that the people can see out. i was trying. once i put my camera, the light in her eyes. i heard her screaming. so i didn't capture the picture, i kept watching her for it. and in front of her, so that when the light came on her interface and extracting the body. i took the picture. she was deeply injured, but for me, for that situation, she was so lucky to survive when there is like 70 past. these airstrikes in the building. so even if she was deeply injured, she's lucky to have made it. she is lucky to have survived this. >> motaz, last question to you. you have become, in many ways, a voice for gaza.

17 million people have come to your instagram page to see images out of gaza, visceral, heartbreaking. what is your message to people watching you tonight on america, who do not follow you on instagram? what do you want them to know about what is happening in gaza that they do not know? >> the first message is do not call yourself a free person if you cannot make the changes. if you cannot stop a genocide that is growing, still ongoing since the first day. we are so close to being 100 days of murdering and genocide. do not call yourself a free person if you cannot stop someone to kill someone else. we see here, the whole world is ruled by people that nobody in the entire world can stop them.

nobody should call themselves a free person if they're watching another people, another human being get murdered in front of them on a live show by a young photographer, just called into the show. he cannot stop this. meanwhile, calling motaz a sober hero, why did you choose this? does anybody want this? i do not want to just forget about what is happening by going somewhere here and forgetting the people that are under tons of rubble, and they died there by a missile. maybe they share with you or -- or give to the occupation. >> we will unfortunately have to leave it there. we are out of time. motaz azaiza, think you so much for your time today. please do stay safe. >> thank you. >> next, some key numbers that

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gay resigned from her post this weekend, marking the end of a fierce and fraud culture battle in recent american memory. there is much to be said about gop congresswoman elise stefani, cynical, dishonest questions around the meaning of the fire that set off this consideration. much to be said about the allegations of plagiarism, subsequently claudine gay. also, the violent racist rhetoric exploding on social media during this -- but not by me, not tonight. instead, i want to zoom out. i want to talk about how this episode services yet another example of conservatives uncanny, otherworldly ability to make a mount kilimanjaro out of a molehill. it is a talent that liberals and leftist don't appear to have the skill or inclination

to make. you see, while democrats paed the poll numbers and worship of the kitchen table issues in election after election, year after year, republicans, you may have noticed, talk about whatever they darn well please. they can do well because republicans don't follow the news. they don't just comment on the news. they make the news. they settle in a scandal, and whether you like it or not, that becomes the discourse. it's at the top of every cable news show, at the front of every newspaper. i mean that literally. the new york times, green-lighting this nations purported paper record, slathering five claudine gay stories on their first page just this wednesday alone. in fairness, to the times, there's not much else going on. it's not like, you know, there is a war in gaza, or a war in ukraine, or an out and out fascist poised to sweep the iowa caucuses. nothing else is going on. i digress. this is hardly the first time that the mainstream media has played patsy for far-right bad

actors. it might be the first time that they did so as said far-right bad actors would admit the sit lowered monologue, explicitly reveling in their grand plan to smuggle the plagiarism story into the media map -- which itemizing the narrative to the center left, and then squeeze. again, my aim tonight isn't to reconsider or re-prosecute the case of claudine gay. others have been doing that endlessly. the big story in my view is that if the conservatives have gotten very good at setting the conservative agenda, hoodwinking the press. these explicitly non issues that they don't care about. not most americans, but that they care about. let me be clear, it's not meant to be a right indictment of republicans, far from it. if anything, it's a compliment to their political vengeance you. really, a condemnation of liberals and leftist's drawing to watch this be done to them for years. never attempting to tried

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from the past three years. roll the tape. >> welcome to a new show here on msnbc. i'm mehdi hassan, and this show is committed to standing up for democracy. representative dan crenshaw from texas's second congressional district joins us now. it's allowed to say that there is an open border, as kevin mccarthy and others keep saying that there is an open border. that is false. if 72% of people are being deported, how is that an open border? that is a lie. >> the vast majority of people are understanding that they do not get importantly. also at least 1000 just -- >> and is not true. >> war crimes do not constitute, and are not an appropriate response for other war crimes. >> you're not saying mccarthy? >> i'm not saying mccarthy. he created this problem, he can find his way out. >> our country's foundations are built on people coming here to find an opportunity to

escape religious persecution. >> senator 11th -- senator whitehouse, democratic senator from, -- tina smith, miles taylor. thank you for joining us on the show. you are the secretary of staff during the child separation controversy. would you like to apologize tonight for the parents and kids whose lives were permanently damaged from his family separation? >> at this moment, we are on a road to hell in terms of climate, and in terms of nuclear war possibilities. there should be a global emergency as they keep pointing out. people aren't rising to that challenge. >> greta thunberg, thank you for joining us on the show. >> khan, thank you for joining us on the show. >> noah chomsky, thank you as ever for your time, we appreciate it. >> we should black -- thank black women for doing what a bunch of white guys have not done for years, hold donald trump, a former president accountable for his alleged crimes. >> john legend, thank you for

joining us on the show tonight. >> michael moore, -- >> judd apatow, thank you for joining me. what was it like to be back on screen as luke skywalker? kind of back on screen. aided by cgi, in the tv series mandalorian after all these years. like many, i whooped allowed when you arrived in that scene for the season to finale. >> i went over, they showed me the footage, and then they proposed this idea. i was gobsmacked, as you british are proud of saying. >> it's either no to ice cream or yes to apartheid. you can choose. >> this is the time where they will understand. sydney, come on. it's best their bedtime. it's like 8:00. 8:30. >> i think that my daughter would do that in my home studio. you said to me a france beat england, i have to eat a croissant. i will eat the croissant. there's no justice in the d.c.

-- superman destroys innocent people. >> it doesn't matter. >> is it not called the people's democratic republic of -- it doesn't make it democratic just because you give it a nice name. people sometimes say the journalists should not be biased. no, journalists should have a bias towards democracy. we should be proudly pro democracy. and we are proud to call ourselves democrats. small d democrats. wow. it has been an absolute blast during this live show on msnbc for the past three years with an amazing team of producers behind me. and with all of you watching at home, it has been a privilege, it's been a pleasure. as we begin 2024 with an election coming, a war still ongoing, and to many trump trials to even keep track of, and with the show going away, i have decided for me to look for a new challenge. tonight is not just my final

episode of the mehdi hasan show, it is my last day with msnbc. yes, i have decided to leave. to be clear, i am so proud, so, so proud of what we have achieved on this show, on this network that and i can't thank you enough for tuning in, and for your support. and for your feedback. as i say, new year, new plans. you can continue to follow me online at mehdi hasan on instagram, and of course, twitter or x. i will give you updates on what's coming next for me. for now, from me, from one last time on the network, goodnight. as the world keeps moving, help prevent covid-19 from breaking your momentum. you may have already been vaccinated against the flu, but don't forget this season's updated covid-19 shot too.

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