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why not give it a try? good to be with you. i'm katy tur. president biden once again today said donald trump is a threat to democracy. calling him a, quote, loser who tried to violate the constitution to stay in power. biden speaking at mother emanuel in charleston, south carolina, said a lot of the same things liz cheney said over the weekend in new hampshire. that donald trump is a want to be authoritarian, don't take that chance. he won't leave office, cheney warned. quote, i think there's a lot of living in a fantasy world that's going on with republicans telling themselves, look, we'll vote for him. it won't be so bad. it may well be the last real

vote you'll ever get to cast. it will be that bad, and cheney says, the message is urgent. iowa is just one week away. and if you don't believe the urgency, abc news citing unnamed sources is reporting jack smith has yet another trump aide saying the former president didn't want to leave office. this time, it's dan scavino, trump's caddy, come social media director, come deputy chief of staff of communications, 2024 campaign adviser. scavino has been at trump's side since he was a teenager three decades ago. nbc news has not confirmed the report but abc sources are saying scavino told jack smith key details about what happened on january 6th. more on what trump was thinking, saying, and notably not doing. all in the face of an increasingly worried and scared inner circle. so just seven days out now from

the first ballots of 2024, what are voters hearing, and what are the courts preparing for. joining us from des moines, iowa, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. so vaughn, what are voters hearing? >> reporter: we're outside here of the trump campaign headquarters, and for donald trump, they're not hearing much in terms of on the campaign trail. he was here in the state for multiple rallies over the weekend. outside of a fox news town hall on wednesday, he was not set to hold rallies back in the state until this weekend. instead, donald trump will be headed to washington, d.c. to appear inside the d.c. circuit of appeals courtroom in which his lawyers will be arguing that he has presidential immunity, and that the toss, the indictment, the federal election interference case against him should be tossed on presidential immunity grounds. on thursday, he will make his way to new york to that courtroom where he intends to sit for the closing arguments in the new york civil fraud trial case. both of those court appearances by donald trump are voluntary

here, but in just out of georgia, we should note here in the last two hours, his attorneys have filed three different motions to have the indictment against him in georgia dismissed on the grounds of due process, as well as double jeopardy, and immunity as well. there's a lot happening on the legal front while the campaign looks at the reality that the iowa caucus is a week away too. >> let's listen to a little bit of voters talking about donald trump and the reaction to potentially taking him off the ballot in colorado and maine. you gathered some sound. let's listen. >> even when they start talking about pulling him off the ballots, first thing i started thinking of, i voted in '84, i think it was, for bozo the clown, i'll write donald trump in too. >> reporter: does the potential criminal conviction at one of the trials this year, does that give you pause? >> no. not really. >> reporter: how have the indictments against them impacted your involvement, and your fervor for donald trump? >> oh, it impacted even further,

i believe him more. they really don't want him to come in. >> reporter: you're speaking to voters at a trump rally, they're obviously very bought in to donald trump, what are you hearing outside the rallies from voters who aren't showing up and wearing all the gear? >> reporter: i think the hard part here, katy is the fact that the number of folks showing up at the rallies are by and large the folks that are going to undoubtedly caucus. you go to a nikki haley event or ron desantis event, there's not a ground swell of support like we saw in past years for a rick san torum or ted cruz or bernie sanders or pete buttigieg but when we're talking about the trial, i talked to voters who tell me they wish that liz cheney was running here because it's very much so as ali vitali was saying earlier today about the voters she talks to at nikki haley events, come the general election, they may want nikki haley now but would vote for trump in the general election. there's a disconnect between

i'll vote for trump in the general election, versus those republicans who say that they want liz cheney to run for president and wish that she was a republican option here. it seems like there's a fracturing of the republican party. frankly, that liz cheney wing of the party is much smaller than the pro trump and that part that is also desantis and nikki haley right now. >> four years ago i was in iowa, then i was in new hampshire, and i got to say, there was so little excitement and support for joe biden, i thought there was no way he could possibly win the presidency. i thought it was calling it a long shot seemed like an understatement. look what happened. elections can be unpredictable, even when polling suggests a clear winner. >> reporter: much more than iowa. >> much more than iowa. now former fbi general counsel and msnbc legal analyst, andrew weissmann. it's good to have you. let's talk about the legal cases against donald trump. abc news is out with a report. nbc news has not confirmed it, talking about dan scavino, donald trump's close aide,

telling jack smith quite a lot about what donald trump was not doing or saying during those hours on january 6th. what else does jack smith, what more does jack smith need to learn about that day? >> i would say based on the reporting, nothing. what he needs is a trial date that sticks. this is a very strong case. having said that, obviously you have to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt unanimous ri, in order to have a conviction. so i don't want to say this is what's going to happen, but in terms of the strength of the case, that's when i can bring any experience, this is a strong case, seeing the dan scavino reporting, assuming that's accurate, that's another nail, but there are many many nails that he has. >> getting a trial is now the hurdle. the supreme court says it's going to hear the case about presidential immunity, right, is that the one? >> they have the disqualification one. the one thing we know for sure. >> the supreme court is hearing

about colorado and maine. >> they have taken the disquafication case. that is going to be heard on february 8th. that for the supreme court is lightning spee they have to get used to law time frames. the immunity argument is going to be heard by the court of appeals tomorrow. >> yes. >> but to your point, that may end up in the supreme court. >> it's going to no matter what. if jack smith wins, donald trump is going to appeal. if donald trump wins, isn't jack smith going to appeal? >> yes. but i think that the supreme court will take it, but just to be clear, unlike the automatic appeal you have from the trial court to the court of appeals, there's no automatic appeal to the supreme court. the vast majority of people who seek to have the supreme court review something are told no. >> why are you confident they would take it? >> it's such an important issue. it has not been decided by the supreme court. it's been decided in the civil context, not in the criminal context. the idea that they would pass,

it is conceivable. it really is possible that they say, you know what, how many times do we want to be sort of the decider here and to take another trump case. as we just talked about, they're going to take one. i still think they will likely take it, just because it is important for the country to have the supreme court rule. >> do you think that they are likely to rule that he does enjoy immunity as president or that he does not? >> does not. so the argument tomorrow in d.c., i am not really looking for, oh, how receptive they are to donald trump's argument that he is immune from criminal prosecution. i am looking at the issue of how fast they will decide and how soon they will give judge chutkan a green light. >> do you think this trial is still going to happen in march? >> i think that's going to be hard for it to go in march, and then we're going to be dealing with the alvin brag case, which is at least currently scheduled for the end of march, and that

interplay. how much is known about the federal case, and when that could go, because the alvin bragg state case, the judge there signalled that he does not want to disrupt the timing of the federal case. so there are a lot of moving pieces here. >> what's your best guesstimate? going to make an educated guess here. you have been in this position of when it could start. april, may? >> if the supreme court says we're not taking it, then i think that the case could start, you know, beginning of april. you know, there has been a hiatus, and so that's why it's going to get delayed a little bit. but that's the thing that we don't know is the supreme court going to hear it. >> this is immunity, let's go to metro and maine, which confused me at the top. >> the disqualification. this idea that because he participated in the insurrection as colorado has said, he can't be on the ballot. what do you believe happens there with the supreme court? >> i think it is really important for people to know

that for the plaintiffs to win, the people who are saying that donald trump should be disqualified, they have to win on every single one of the issues that the supreme court will hear. there are a lot of different issues. how do you define insurrection, what is the standard of proof. who decides it. does it apply to the president, were the procedures followed. all of these subsidiary issues, laws are complicated. they can take something that seems simple. >> if they're textualists and originalists who are abiding by the actual words in the constitution, the people who argued the colorado case successfully say it's very clear that this is what the constitution says, you don't need to go to congress for it. it doesn't need to be adjudicated in court. it's just like being 35, it's just like being born here. either you did or didn't. if you did, bye. >> i think what i would say to that is this is welcome to law. you can be a textualist and

still say it is not that clear. does the constitution say what the definition of insurrection is? no. does it say who decides it? no. does it say what standard of proof is? all of these things that lawyers worry about are something that the supreme court needs to decide. i'm not saying it shouldn't go to the supreme court, and the supreme court may not say he's disqualified. the supreme court needs to weigh in on this. it's very important. if it turns out it is just like if you're under 35. you're a natural born citizen, the supreme court needs to say that, we may all think it's not a good thing for the country. that's irrelevant. >> aren't there so many trip wires, if the supreme court decides donald trump was involved in an election, doesn't that have a bearing on the case? >> it should have a bearing on whether people think it's appropriate for people to vote for this person. i look at this in some ways outside of the legal realm,

let's put aside for the moment whether you can legally vote for him or not. why would you want to factually, there's no question that he engaged in insurrection, what are we saying about a country where a leading candidate engaged in insurrection, and you're thinking, that's no big deal. i think they should still be president. >> that's a really good segue to my next guest. i wish i could have an hour talking about the maine/colorado decision. it's very complicated. anybody who say it's simple is dill luting themselves, and the supreme court is in a super tough position. a double edged sword in many ways. andrew weissmann, to be continued. thank you for joining us. let's go to former communications director for the republican national committee, doug hyde, why would you want to vote for somebody who may have participated in an insurrection, being investigated and going on trial for election interference,

trying to overturn the institution. somebody who's being put on trial for taking classified documents and hoarding them, and putting them in the bathroom, putting them on a stage in a ballroom, why does that sound like the person that you would want to put back in the white house in 2024 if you're a republican voter? >> i think for a lot of republican voters, what you just said they would say donald trump was doing the right thing, that he was, you know, fighting against and then fill in the adjectives of how they would describe biden, the swamp, all of the things that donald trump says he's going to fight against. the donald trump candidacy isn't a series of policy positions, it's an attitude. you talked about the voters vaughn talked to earlier. they are all bought in. you're not shaking them. if you look at voters who have chosen donald trump to be their pick, whether it's the iowa caucus or new hampshire primary, they don't have a second choice. it's donald trump or bust. that one voter said i'll write donald trump in again. comparing them to bozo the

clown. they don't hear arguments, i think the way people in washington or new york do, and it's you know, every time i leave d.c., i'm struck by how different the conversation is outside of washington. >> we're paying a lot of attention to primary voters, republican voters, we're in primary season. let's move to a general election. have you spoken to any voter who didn't vote for donald trump in 2020 and says to themselves, yes, i want to vote for him in 2024? >> i've certainly talked to some who are considering it, and those become the issues of maybe they don't like donald trump, they didn't like january 6th, this is what i heard in north carolina over christmas. they're concerned about the economy. they're concerned about not just inflation but what things cost. inflation is transitory, costs aren't. they're certainly concerned about joe biden's age. i probably hear about that issue more than any other. yes, donald trump's in his upper 70s but we see biden's age play out on a day-to-day basis, and

that worries voters. recent cbs polling said that 7% of voters thought that joe biden had the strength and stamina to become president. whatever you think of donald trump, he's a ball of energy. you may think it's a terrible ball of energy, but he's a ball of energy, and i think that's one of the things that voters who are undecided right now are looking at. >> yes and no. he's definitely slower than he was a few years ago, as somebody who covered him very closely and watches him now, it's not quite the same person. let me ask you, though, about what liz cheney said, this might be your last vote. this isn't a guy who's going to leave office willingly. >> he's demonstrated he didn't want to leave office willingly, and we have heard from aides who said in private counsel meetings, that's where he was on january 6th or in the days leading up to january 6th. i'm not surprised cheney has said that. i think she's right. but that conversation with republican primary voters, it's just not that same conversation. that's why you see trump not

just leading in the polls but so far ahead in the polls whether you're looking at iowa for the caucuses or new hampshire. >> doug hie, thank you very much. >> thank you. and former defense secretary leon panetta joins me on the current defense secretary's failure to tell anyone he was in the icu. what was at risk? plus, secretary blinken tells reporters what middle east leaders are willing to do in gaza and with israel. what will benjamin netanyahu say about it, though? and speaker mike johnson is getting the kevin mccarthy treatment from the freedom caucus, what he did with senate majority leader chuck schumer. we're back in 60 seconds. 60 secs to moi sturize dry skin for 24 hours. aveeno® diabetes can serve up a lot of questions, like... what is your glucose, and can you have more carbs? before you decide... with the freestyle libre 3 system... know your glucose and where it's headed.

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the white house he was in the icu. the pentagon says secretary austin was admitted to walter reed for complications following an elective procedure. the complications were apparently serious with austin handing power off to his deputy, though his deputy, kathleen hicks was not told austin was in the hospital either. the secretary is out of the icu but remains at walter reed. the pentagon says he has resumed his full duties and in a statement over the weekend, austin said he quote could have done a better job ensuring the public was appropriately informed. joining us now, nbc news pentagon correspondent courtney kube, forget about the public, what about the president? >> reporter: that was absent from the statement we got from secretary defense over the weekend. he acknowledged that the media were upset about how this all unfolded, that no one was informed about this all week. he did not address the fact that despite the fact he was hospitalized in the intensive care unit on monday, new year's day, the white house, including

national security adviser jake sullivan and president biden himself we n notified of his hospalization until thursday afternoon, and to add to that, we're learning a little bit more of the time lin today. in fact, senior leaders here in the pentagon, members of the joint chiefs, the service seeties and congressional leaders were not notified the secretary's hospitalization until friday afternoon, not long before the statement came out to the public, and you can see there, president biden on saturday, january 6th, he called secretary austin. now, what we're hearing today from officials is that call was warm and that president biden has no intention of firing secretary austin or asking for his resignation, and in fact, pentagon press secretary major general pat ryder says the same thing, secretary austin has no intention of resigning, but there's still a lot of questions about the breakdown in communication. how were senior leaders in the building, his chief of staff, his senior military aide, and

the chairman of the joint chiefs, how were they all notified of this on tuesday, in addition to the pentagon press secretary, major general pat ryder, he was notified tuesday as well, but no one thought to tell the white house. the only reason we're getting is the chief of staff who made the call ultimately on thursday had the flu and couldn't call for a couple of days, katy. >> do we know what the elective procedure was and what the complications were? >> we don't. believe me, we're asking. we don't know anything about what the procedure was on december 22nd. we know secretary austin had to stay in the hospital overnight for it, but he was discharged. he had severe pains on new year's day. and they were concerned enough he went via ambulance to walter reed on new year's day. the reason the next day he transferred some of his responsibilities and authorities to his deputy secretary, kathleen hicks, was because according to the press secretary here, austin's condition worsened. we don't know exactly what that means, katy. we don't know if it was because he was on pain medication.

if he went unconscious. we don't have many answers about his medical condition or frankly if this is something we could see in the future for a problem he's suffering from. >> serious questions for the defense secretary. courtney kube, thank you very much. joining us is former secretary of defense, and former director of the cia, leon panetta. thank you very much for joining us. how does it happen that the white house is not informed of this? >> well, it's clearly a mistake that secretary austin has apologized for and taken responsibility for. look, he's done a great job as secretary of the defense. there's no question about that. particularly with a lot of difficult issues that this country is facing. he's a critical part of the chain of command, when it comes to national security. and it is important when he is incapable for whatever reason of assuming his duties that the

president certainly and the national security consul be informed of the fact that he has been hospitalized. somebody dropped the ball, and hopefully it won't happen again. >> it is a huge ball to drop. even kathleen hicks, his deputy didn't know he was in the hospital. can you help us understand what exactly is at risk if the defense secretary is incapacitated and there's a break down of communication. >> he's a critical part of the chain of command when it comes to national security. he's responsible for defense decisions. he's responsible as part of the team that looks at nuclear issues. if something needs to be done there. so it is extremely important to have a secretary of defense on duty. and, you know, as a former chief of staff, we made clear to cabinet members that if they

were for any reason incapacitated that they had to inform the president and they had to inform the white house. hopefully that will be the policy of this white house as well. >> everybody is allowed a certain level of privacy when it comes to health issues, but he's the defense secretary. what does the public deserve to know about his condition? how much detail? >> well, i operate on the basis that the truth is ultimately going to come out as to whatever problem he's facing. and it's probably better to come from him than to have it be reported through others. i think it's important right now, particularly because he was in the intensive care unit. he was rushed there in an ambulance. and he obviously was suffering a

great deal of pain as a result of this elective procedure, so i think it is important. and part of his responsibility to inform the public as to exactly what problems he was confronting and make clear that they will not, in any way, interfere with his duty as secretary of defense. >> if you were president biden, would you have asked for his resignation? >> no, i don't think so. i think, you know, my approach was that every cabinet member is entitled to one screw up. this was a mistake. he did apologize for it, which is unusual in washington to have somebody accept responsibility for having done something like this and made clear that it will never happen again. so i think when you put all the pieces together that he's still somebody who has without question done a great job as secretary of defense, and he

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after the war. the question now is what sort of willingness or resistance will secretary blinken face from prime minister benjamin netanyahu who has repeatedly dismissed a two-state solution. joining us from tel aviv, is foreign correspondent matt bradley. it's good to have you. blinken is headed over there. what sort of meetings will he be having and with whom in israel? >> yeah, i mean, he could arrive any minute if he hasn't already arrived, it sounds like he's going to be meeting with israel's top brass. you know, one of the main things in addition to the list you just mentioned is he's going to be trying to tamp down tensions region wide, not just here between israel and hamas and the gaza strip, and that is a really urgent message because we have just been seeing attacks increase across the border between lebanon and israel with hezbollah, another iran-backed group just like hamas, in addition to what we're seeing the u.s. striking an iran-backed

group in iraq, killing a top leader there, and the houthi rebels in yemen attacking commercial shipping. the houthis backed by iran. this is an urgent message that antony blinken is going to have to be delivering to benjamin netanyahu, who increasingly have been making bellicose language, and they have been doing this for the past three months. talking about moving in to lebanon, and taking out hezbollah. that could really bring the entire region to a war that would just engulf the entire middle east. he has to be delivering this message to benjamin netanyahu and israeli leaders because we don't -- our america doesn't have diplomatic relations with iran, in any formal way. there are ways of reaching them, and especially not with groups with hezbollah and other iranian proxies throughout the region. this is going to be one of the top elements on blinken's agenda once he arrives here in tel aviv. katy. >> you have covered the middle east for a long time. you know a lot about hezbollah,

what's your sense of where things stand? how tense is it compared to past flare ups? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, i was in lebanon. i was talking to you for six weeks when this whole thing broke off. we were waiting every day, talking about whether hezbollah was going to join in the war. things have changed and not changed since then. we were hearing, you know, seeing that assassination of a top hamas official in hezbollah territory, just outside beirut, and we just saw just today the killing of a top hezbollah leader right over the border in southern lebanon, so these things come and go, and still hezbollah has not decided to weigh in in any full way into the war with israel, so it looks like hezbollah and proxies are willing to take israel's attacks on the chin and still stepping away from a full-out war, which again, would be disaster for the middle east. >> matt bradley, thank you very

much. joining us, former israeli peace negotiator and the president of the middle east project, daniel levy, what's your sense of how long and how much hezbollah and other proxies are going to be willing to take on the chin, as matt just said, before they feel compelled to get involved? >> well, they're looking at this, and i think they're saying israel is doing itself significant damage with what is going on in gaza. why interrupt and ruin that. is this the time for them to go. america is doing themselves considerable damage in supporting the israeli actions, so i think the about -- capacity, the possibility of what's going on in the red sea with the houthis, iraq and syria, we've seen what's going on with lebanon.

the way you dial this down has to pass through the cease fire in gaza, that's what all the groups are saying. absorb the capacity, israel is a little bit unpredictable element here, how much do they continue to ratchet up, but we're not there yet. every day that the war in gaza continues, we continue to roll that dice. >> let's talk about the day after, whenever that day comes. secretary blinken was just in saudi arabia. on his way out he told reporters he was meeting with middle east leaders, and everybody, he says, wants to have a normalization with israel. there are conditions. one thing is that the conflict in gaza ends and the second one is there's a two-state solution. benjamin netanyahu wants there to be normalization with saudi arabia and the middle east. he's adamant about a two-state solution. what gives here? >> well, we have to see because of course under the trump

administration, benjamin netanyahu got his normalization with the united arab emirates and with others, without anything on the palestinian front. in fact, it was touted as a defeat for the palestinians. i think the key question, number one, is getting to that cease fire because if you want to dial down the region, if you want to end the mass killing of palestinian civilians, almost 9 1/2 thousand children, 22,000 plus, terrible humanitarian catastrophe, if you want to also get those israelis who are being held in gaza out, you need a cease fire. then when you think about the day of, the israelis say we think we can get normalization, and we think the biden administration will do it without anything serious on the palestinian front, the guidelines, written coalition guidelines of the netanyahu government categorically reject two states. to get to either of those things, the cease fire that's needed and the horizon of israel ending its occupation, america

will need to do more than talk a decent game. america will need to put consequences on the table. so far, the biden administration has provided the weapons, offered the diplomatic political cover, when do we actually see consequential american action, and something interesting is happening this week with south africa filing a motion at the international court of justice on the genocide convention in terms of whether israel is in breach of that. will we see america, the biden administration, for instance, say it will respect that? because that is where you begin to get leverage, and israel begins to face a choice, does it want this or does it want that? right now israel can have everything it wants because america is providing that cover, and blinken will continue to return empty handed unless something changes in that equation, unfortunately. >> daniel levy, thank you as always. coming up, wayne lapierre resigned from the nra, but the courts are not through with him.

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speaker mike johnson is getting the kevin mccarthy treatment as the house freedom caucus speaks about his handshake funding deal with senate majority leader chuck

schumer. joining us now, nbc news senior national political reporter sahil kapur. so kevin mccarthy did this. is speaker johnson on the chopping block now? >> reporter: well, that remains to be seen, katy. this deal is similar to e one that president biden struck with former speaker kevin mccarthy. it's gotten mixed reviews so far, mostly positive and some intensity negive that i'll get to in a second. let's swhat's in the dial, $1.59 trillion that biden and carthy had as a baseline. there's the extra $69 billion in extra domestic funding that democrats had dended, and there are two major changes here which johnson is selling to his members. there's 10 billion in additional cuts to the irs. this was supposed to be in the second year. demoat agreed to front load it into eirst year, and there's $6.1 billion in cuts to covid spending. unspent covid money that democrats say, fine, we can remove that from the authorized amount able to be spent. now, chuck schumer, the democratic majority leader told senators on a call yesterday

that this is a good deal for democrats, that it's a good deal for the country. his view is essentially that democrats got what they wanted here, reflects that old biden/mccarthy deal. this deal has gotten a thumbs up from senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell, and top senate appropriate tors in both parties. the big caveat is the intensely negative reaction from the house freedom caucus, the group of ultra conservative house lawmakers, let's show how some of them are reacting to the deal. on the screen, the freedom caucus said the deal is worse than we thought. if you add up all the spending, it's actually 1.658 trillion. they call it a total failure. marjorie taylor greene says she's a no on this deal. interesting because she voted yes on the biden/mccarthy deal which spent more than this deal does. chip roy says the deal is terrible. 1.659 overall spending and gives up conservative leverage. ralph norman says if this is the best republicans can do, there's no hope of balancing the budget.

bob good says there's no significant policy wins for conservatives. that's the angst that speaker mike johnson is facing with eleven days to go before a government shutdown, and it's a lesson for the freedom caucus. replacing the speaker does not allow them to impose their will on a democratic senator and president. >> good point. a door plug on an alaskan airlines flight blown out midair. it's terrifying. what the faa is doing to make sure it doesn't happen again. first, though, from president of the nra to defendant in a corruption trial. what happened to wayne lapierre today in a new york city courtroom? i felt that my memory was beginning to decline and that's when i started looking for something that would help. when i first started taking prevagen, i noticed my memory was so much better. just stuff seemed to come together

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wayne lapierre is on trial. today was day one of his civil corruption trial against lapierre and the nra. lapierre and other execs have been accused of misusing millions in nonprofit funds to finance lavish lifestyles, including several trips to the bahamas lapierre resigned on friday joining us, nbc news and health correspondent ken dilanian. what happened today? >> well, opening arguments are just under way in the trial, katy. and the lawyer for the attorney general's office said lapierre

ran the nra like "wayne's world." using it as his personal piggyback. lapierre, over the last 30-plus years, built the nra into a juggernaut that struck fear in the hearts of politicians as you know. and used that money to fund lapierre's lavish lifestyle, including eight family trips on private jets to bat hams over the course of three years that cost $500,000. and one shopping trip to the boutique in beverly hills where he spent $40,000 on suits and other items of clothing. what the a.g. is saying, that violates the law, nonprofits are supposed to spend money reasonably. and seeking that with lapierre, and complications here, nra is run by lapierre's lieutenants. it's a much diminished organization. fundraising has plummeted. membership rolls have plummeted.

its employment has fallen in half. what the leaders would like to do is change the leadership of that fundamentally. it's not changed the policies of gun control in the united states. it's still as hard as ever to get meaningful gun reform passed even after we get mass shooting after mass shooting. >> even though the nra does not have as much influence, the extreme parties, the outside parties have fwlu on the lawmakers. ken dilanian, thank you. what the faa says went wrong when a door plug on an alaska airlines flight blew out midair and what the agency is doing to the boeing fleet.

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the faa says it will inspect hundreds of boeing max 9 planes starting today. the agency is trying to figure out what went wrong when a door plug on an alaska airlines flight blew out midair.

to make sure it's an isolated incident and not a problem with the max line, much of the fleet has been grounded cancelling over 300 flights today alone. nbc's tom costello with what investigators have found thus far. >> reporter: so, this is a krr critical find with investigators that have now uncovered that door plug, if you will, with the alaska airlines flight. this is a new plane. they just took ownership of it in november. they now have the black boxes, brought to thes in super bowl in washington. he hailed the crew as well, for their bridgery and courage, landing the plane, keeping everybody safe agency they suffered a serious decline in altitude from the plane flying. this morning, a critical discovery after that very close call in the skies. >> i'm excited to announce that we found the door plug. >> reporter: the ntsb saying overnight a teachers in

portland, contacted investigators after he found the missing piece, a door plug in his backyard. two days after the decompression explosion at 16,000 feet which twisted and bent nearby seats and sucked the headrest and cushions out of the 737 max 9. >> alaska, seattle, alaska. >> reporter: one teenage boy had his shirt pulled off of him. a sock was found stuck in the plane's frame. one flight attendant suffered a knee injury. the ntsb chief said if it had happened at a cruising altitude 34,000 feet, it could have been deadly with passengers pulled out of the hole. >> there could have been some significant consequences for the passengers that were seated in that area. of the plug. and throughout the cabin, really. >> reporter: as cold wind rimmed through the cabin, the force of the explosion pulled the cockpit door open, slamming it against the lava tore.

passengers described terror on board. >> there was a big boom, immediately exploding, in the rear of the plane. >> my focus at that moment was just breathe into the oxygen mask and trust that the flight crew will do everything they can to keep us safe. >> reporter: it happened behind the plane's left wing, where a hole was cut for an optional emergency exit. but alaska airlines didn't need it, so the door was plugged and sealed, leaving an ordinary window. investigators will look at whether that plug was properly bolted in place during manufacturing. meanwhile, the faa has grounded 171 max 9s in the u.s., forcing alaska and united airlines to cancel hundreds of flights. alaska and united fly the max 9 here in the united states. i just checked, at the moment today, we've got about 204 united cancellations. about 139 alaska cancellations. and these could continue through

the week, in the max 9 is cleared to fly yet again. the ntsb also looking at why three crews have reported that they had a decompression warning light go off, and why wasn't that enough to ground the plane. alaska says that in fact, they were told not to fly the plane over water, in they had that resolved and it had not yet been resolved at the time of this depression explosion at altitude, back to you. >> that raises serious questions about boeing itself. tom costello, tom, thank you very much. that's going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪ hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. i'm ali velshi in for nicolle wallace. this week marks a watershed moment for jack smith's election case against donald trump. a three-judge panel will hear arguments on a question that's got big stakes for democracy. does the presidency confer, quote, absolute immunity, end quote, against prosecution for