thanks for staying up late with me. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. rest up. it is going to be a very big week. week ♪ ♪ ♪ thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. really happy to have you here. we have two major parties in our country. a week from today, we're gonna have the first votes in one of those parties, the republican

party, to decide who the winner will be of their contested primary for the republican party's presidential nominated contest this year. and you know all that, but it's worth just sort of going back to brass tacks for a second. in a two party system, each party is important, right? in a two party system, the relative strength, skill, the organizational capacity, the financial status, the size, the health of each party is at least a little bit important in every single state in the country, even in states that are dominated by one party or the other, the health and the capacity of each party matters. it's particularly crucial in swing states, though, where one party doesn't dominate, and in places where it's likely gonna be a close race between the republican nominee and the democratic nominee and the general election this fall, it is particularly important how healthy the state parties are on both sides. and the battleground states, the swing states these days, it's a pretty familiar list.

it's like arizona, georgia, pennsylvania, michigan, up few others. given all that, though, here is today's pop quiz. here's today's actually kind of hard question question about those politics. is there a republican party in michigan right now? and if so, what is it, and how do you find it? this is actually a hard question right now because if you go to m i gop.org, m i, for michigan, m i gop.org, which has long been the web address of the michigan republican party, m i gop.org, right now, here's what you find. here is their website. it's live right now, as we are looking at it. it's kind of a slick website, it has this video thing played in the back. but what is that we are banner running across the top? but that banner across the top says press release, a faction of state committee members

staged and illegitimate gathering to claim removal of chairwoman kristina karamo. if you click on that weird banner, you get to this. and the black box there is a video. now, i swear i'm not going to show you a whole big long swath of it because it will haunt your dreams. it will at least make you get up immediately and start cleaning your eye glasses. but this really is what pops up and what appears to be the michigan republican party website right now. and if you click on the black box there, this is what happens. i gotta tell you, this does not seem good. >> hi. my name is dan hartman. i am still the general counsel for the michigan republican party. today's date is january 6th of 2024, and i am a member of the old administration. there was a vote taken today at a meeting. it was not an authorized special meeting. >> it was not an authorized special meeting. well, this seems like a very

special meeting indeed. in politics or in anything, it's never a good sign when you have to start your remarks by insisting, i am still here. [laughter] as if that might be a contested thing. but that is what's going on at what might be the michigan republican party's website tonight. again, that is mi gop.org. i am still the general counsel for the michigan republican party. but maybe that's not the michigan republican party anymore. maybe the michigan republican party is no longer at mi gop.org. maybe that real michigan republican party is at mi-gop.org. the punctuation is sometimes everything. ask the armed panda near you. if you put a dash between the mi and the gop, at mi-gop.org, you find yourself at a totally

different michigan republican party website, one where that chair is not kristina karamo but rather this other person, a totally different person. how can both of these people be the chair of the michigan republican party? how can both of these things be the michigan republican party? well, you could try to click through but it turns out there is nothing to click on this other michigan republican party what page. but they do both purport to be the same thing. here it says at the bottom of the page, january 6th, 2024, this weekend gop state committee members voted to remove chair kristina karamo. did they do that? has she been removed? the other michigan republican party website says it's a fraud. she wasn't really removed. we have two party system. we are one week away from the first vote in our election for president this year in the republican party primary. you tell me, is there a republican party in swing state

michigan? is there one? are there to? how do you tell the difference? each of these totally different websites with different chairs says, literally paid for by the michigan republican party. but they appear to be too different unrelated things with two different people in charge. one group says there was a vote to remove the party chair. she is gone. she's no longer the party chair. the other group says the old party chair is still there and the vote wasn't real vote. choose your fighter. so, that the state of affairs this election year in one of the most important swing states and the world's most oldest prestigious democracy and the most powerful country on earth. we are a two party democracy except in michigan, where it is three parties, and the only way you can tell the difference between two of them is that there's a dash in one of their names. that's where we are. the detroit news recently reported that former president donald trump personally intervened. he personally made phone calls,

in some cases, with the national republican party chairwoman on the line with him, pressuring local officials in michigan to throw out the election results in that state after he lost his reelection effort in 2020. that effort in michigan failed as it did nationwide. but in the wake of that michigan effort, trump endorsed one of his election denier supporters when she ran in 2022 to become michigan secretary of state. she lost very badly. she lost by 14 points. i should tell you that she denies the existence of that election result as well. she refuses to admit that she lost, let alone by that huge margin, after, nevertheless, losing that race, she wasn't elected to take over the state republican party and become its chair. under her leadership, the party fell hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt. i'm not sure whether those hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt include the more than $100,000 that the party, under the leadership, agreed to pay to the qanon promoting hollywood actor jim

caviezel to make a speech at a recent michigan republican party event. over $100,000 for jim caviezel, and the republican guardian is a backup in that state. not only they are in that, they have also been multiple physical confrontations, fights, and stuff and the michigan republican party events in the past year. at last check, the michigan republican party was involved in an interesting new legal fight in which they are trying to earn the right to sell off their state headquarters for cash. they have to go to court to do this but they're trying. the new york times reported that over the holiday break -- excuse me, the times reported over the holiday break that after the party stopped to pay the electricity bills at the headquarters, that powered down the electronic locks in the building which left the whole thing open to the public with unlocked doors. open to the public, but cold because it's winter in michigan. so, now, maybe -- the michigan

republican party isn't controlled by that same trump supported chair anymore, under whose leadership the party has gone hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, and destroying the headquarters which is not locked. or maybe it is still controlled by her, who knows? it depends on which website you go to. it depends on whether you put the dash in the name when you try to find that michigan republican party website. there are two entities competing with two different leaders that both claim to be the official michigan republican party as of right now. it was the reporter jonathan oosting from bridge, michigan today, who first pointed out the two dueling iterations of the states republican party. he told us tonight that he thinks there has to be a court order, the national republican party, they will have to step in and decide which of these two competing entities is in the real republican party from here on out. but as of now, it is not clear.

and the silence you hear through all of this is the michigan democratic party, which is doing great. in michigan, the democratic party controls both houses of the michigan legislature, and the governorship, and both u.s. senate seats, and all of the statewide offices. so, yes, there are not saying much about this. it may not be the first rule of politics. but it's right up there, when your opponents are fracturing and occasionally punching each other in the nose and leaving the doors unlocked at the state headquarters, and then fighting in the courts to try to sell that headquarters for cash that they might very well end up giving to a weirdo hollywood actor who promotes qanon, when that beef of your political opponent in a two party system, the rule is jair bolsonaro shh, say nothing, leave them to their thing. they're fine on their own.

that's the state plan and michigan. one of the most important swing states in the country. in florida today which not that long ago was the most famous swing state of them all. in florida today, that republican party in the state voted to oust its chairman as well. now, in the florida case, it's different than michigan. in florida, the chairman was also refusing to go despite people really wanting him to go. but the reason they wanted him to go in florida is because it is being investigated by police in an alleged rape case, and alleged sexual assault case. the florida republican party chair man has been under police investigation in florida reportedly since october. reportedly since october there is reportedly a video recording of the alleged sexual assault which has been shown to police. nevertheless, the florida republican party chairman has been refusing calls to resign, and has only been removed from his chairmanship today in florida against his will.

so, in big important states like michigan and florida, this tells you something about the health of the republican party in the trump era, and perhaps in the trump and ron desantis's arrest, since one of those states is florida. and we will see how this all resolves in michigan, over time, they have to sort it out somehow. you can't have two parties that both claim to be the republican party of michigan. you can't have two different people who claim to be the republican party chair in michigan with the other one illegitimate, and a usurper, and part of a sinister plot. they will sort that in michigan. in florida, at least, they sorted it out today. this messy sort of gut-churning effort that throughout their party need for being an accused rapist, it did finally finish. today they did finally oust him. and that at least shows you that the political parties even today are capable of policing themselves to bad actors from

their leadership, to say people accused of sexual assault. former president trump himself was recently found by a court to be liable for sexual assault in new york city. that's a court finding, not just an accusation like in florida, not just a police investigation like in florida. what this action by florida state republican party today shows is that they have ousted that state republican party chairman over these allegations. what this shows is that the national republican party could do the same thing. they very well would have taken seriously their own institutional responsibility, their own gatekeeping role. if the florida gop party can remove their leader and and the political career of their leader for an allegation of sexual assault, the national republican party could at least try to do the same thing for their lead, leader, who was found by a court to be liable for the same thing. und by a court to bebut the natn

party did this -- they could, but they didn't try. in a two party system, the parties matter. political institutions matter. and in our two party system, each of the two parties matter a lot, even when they stink, even when they are mired in scandal. one year ago today, supporters of the far-right election denying former president of brazil, jair bolsonaro, stormed the brazilian congress and supreme court and presidential offices. they rioted. they violently tried to overturn the results of the election in which their hero, jair bolsonaro, voted out of office. that was one year ago today. our attack on our capital to keep trump in office, that was january 6th, 2021. their attack on their capital to try and keep bolsonaro in office, that was january 8th,

two years later. today, new york times brazil bureau chief jack nicas writing about that parallel experience. he said, quote, they were two shocking attacks on the western hemisphere's two largest democracies, both broadcast around the world and both prompted by presidents who had questioned their legitimate election losses. each pose an extraordinary test of the country's democracy, and each raised the question of how a deeply polarized society would move forward in the wake of such an assault. with time, the answer to that question is becoming clear. the parallel attacks have had nearly opposite aftermath. in the united states, support is soaring for donald j trump's campaign to retake the white house, as he frames his 2020 election loss as the real insurrection, and january 6th as a, quote, beautiful day. at the same time, his counterpart in brazil, the far-right president jair

bolsonaro has faded into political relevance. six months after he left office last year, electoral officials barred him from running again until 2030. and many right-wing leaders have shunned him. why have there been such contrasting reactions to such similar threats? researchers and analysts point to a multitude of reasons, including the country's different political systems, media landscapes, national histories, and judicial responses. but one difference especially stands out, steven levitsky, a harvard professor, coauthored a book of how democracies a dime, studied both resilient and american democracies, says that leaders on brazil's right, quote, publicly, clearly, and unambiguously accepted the results of the election and did exactly what the democrat politicians are supposed to do. he says that is strikingly different from how republicans responded in the united states. united states

bolsonaro has since become totally irrelevant in politics of brazil while trump is still at the head of the republican party in the united states and is poised to become the party's nominee for president again. now, part of that is, yes, a brazilian court ruled that bolsonaro cannot run for office again until 2030. he is disqualified from politics for the time being because of what he did. for trump and this country, it's an open question as to whether he might face the same kind of disqualification. the super conservative u.s. supreme court will take up that question just one month from today on february 8th. so it's partly a matter of whether or not there is a judicial penalty for effectively waging war against your own country's democracy. but it's also a matter of how republicans, how the party, how

american republican leaders have reacted to this violence from their own leader, how they have reacted to this anti-democratic turn in the leadership of their party? it is not just a trump problem. it's that republicans like what trump did, and they don't mind the idea of him doing it again. republican members of congress and u.s. senators still voted to throw out the results of the 2020 election the night after the violent attack on congress in january 2021. even today, polls in iowa ahead of next week's caucuses so thought trump's pledge to root out his enemies like vermin, claims like that make iowa republican voters more likely to vote for him, not less. when trump is criticize to say that immigrants are poisoning the blood of america, when he was criticized for that because that is literally what adolf hitler said about none arians in mein kampf, that was well

received among republican voters that he not only has kept using that same language over and over again, he is now institutionalizing it. today the new anti-nikki haley at that the trump super pac put up, an anti-immigrant ad titled, poisoning, to remind people that trump has adopted that hitler phrase-ology. republicans like this stuff. in brazil, the right did not like this stuff. and they rejected bolsonaro's efforts to stay in power by force. and now, it means that both narrow is exiled and irrelevant. but where did bolsonaro exile too? where did he go when he fled brazil, when he fled brazil fearing prosecution? he fled to florida, to ron desantis's florida, where, as if the point wasn't clear enough, pro trump republican

groups have greeted him like a hero. >> ladies and gentlemen, get on your feet, and join me in welcoming president bolsonaro! >> bolsonaro, greeted with a heroes welcome at the pro trump turning u.s. a florida event in orlando. somebody from the crowd yells, i love you, i love you. he says, i love you, i love you! he loves them, they love him. bolsonaro rejected in his own country, rejected by the right wing in his own country for his effort to violently throw the second largest democracy in the western hemisphere. he is celebrated by the republican right wing in this country, rejected in his own country, but celebrated by our own right-wingers, for the effort to violently overthrow the largest democracy in the western hemisphere, us. just taking a three-year

breather and we're gonna put up the guy who tried it again. it's not a trump problem. it is a republican party problem. this is what they want. other right wingers who have charismatic leaders like trump around the world don't necessarily get behind them when they try violence to stay in power. our republicans do. and so, this is how we get to the first two speeches of the president joe biden reelection effort for 2024. friday at valley forge in pennsylvania, and today at the mother emmanuel ame church in charleston, south carolina. the two speeches kick off his 2024 reelection campaign, speeches about our status as a democracy, establishing ourselves as a democracy, the fight to keep our democracy in the civil war, the threat to end democracy today by the republican party and trump. and i don't know and i don't have insider information but i

doubt this is that ground on which the biden campaign is hoping to make its case for reelection. they have other things they want to talk about. like nancy pelosi was describing in jen psaki with her exclusive interview tonight, they want to talk about kitchen table issues. they have a lot to talk about. the unemployment rate has been below 4%, below 4% for nearly two straight years. that means this is the best jobs market in america since the 1960s. jobs numbers under president joe biden are better than every single year of job numbers under president donald trump, including the years that trump says where the best economic years ever. actually, no, joe biden's are better. the unemployment rate is the lowest in american history. for the last quarter, we have numbers for the annual economic growth rate in this country, it was 5.2%, which is an impossibly high number. remember when all the economists said there was gonna be a recession in 2023? how about 5.2% annual growth

rate instead. prices are coming down, including gas prices. wages are going up. under joe biden, the u.s. is doing better than every single other major economy in the world since covid. fighting against republicans every step of the way, joe biden has zeroed out on reduced student loan monthly payments. for tens of millions of americans with crushing student loan debt. you talk about a contrast with the republican party, joe biden has reduced, zeroed out, student loan payments for tens of millions of americans and has fought to do it for more. what is the republican idea? that joe biden would love to be running against on that subject. well, hit it, governor desantis, let's hear from you. >> the reality is we have had a generation of students go deep into debt, and some of them end up with degrees in things like

zombie studies, which is not making a difference. a lot of these degrees have not given people a pathway to success and caused them to be deep in debt. what are you gonna do about? that student loan should be dischargeable in bankruptcy. >> first of all, you all are terrible things, you deserve it. also, if you've got terrible debt, we hold the republican plan for student debt. declare bankruptcy, guys. students, declare bankruptcy. that will set you up for success. that is how republicans think you should deal with high student debt. you're not gonna get help from us, just declare yourself bankrupt, personally. the biden campaign, i'm sure, would love to be running on that. in iowa this week, ahead of the caucus is one week from today, the trump campaign scheduled and event with republican governor sarah huckabee sanders. what is sarah huckabee sanders famous for since she stopped being the trump white house spokesperson? as governor, she distinguish herself by repeating child

labor laws. okay, who among us doesn't think there's anything wrong with america that can't be fixed by chaining a few more children's to the looms, like we used in the good old days. the biden campaign i'm sure would love to be running on issues like that. on the issue of abortion rights, as of tonight, we are seeing the first news reporting from the new yorker about the first american woman who may have died in texas because of the republican abortion ban there. it was a woman who was married. high-risk pregnancy. for outside experts who reviewed her medical file after death have all concluded that when the life threatening complication started in her high-risk pregnancy, had she'd been offered an abortion, quote, it will probably have saved her life. she died. the united states supreme court, dominated by republican appointees, has just allowed republican-controlled idaho

state government to reinstate its abortion ban which threatens doctors with five years in prison if they perform an abortion in the case of a medical emergency threatening the health of a woman. they are letting that go into effect in idaho while the court considers idaho's overall abortion ban. the court is not gonna consider that idaho abortion ban, though, until april. and the law would be in effect until then. idaho doctors will have a few months now when they have to decide between five years in prison and trying to save patients literally, in the emergency room. the biden campaign i am sure would appreciate running on heart-rending issues like that. but instead, they are having to run on heart-rending issues like this. >> eventually, it culminated, the long summer break in june of 2020, when he wanted to take

duty troops in the streets of washington, d.c., and suggested we shoot americans in the streets. >> when he suggested that we shoot americans in the street. trump's former defense secretary mark esper, the differences between the democratic party and the republican party are myriad and important. in a two party system, each party by definition is really important, even one of the party is occasionally a hot mess. but once one of those two parties is knowingly picking the shoot americans in the street option, the violent overthrow of the government option, the dictatorship on day one option, it does get hard to talk about anything else. and so, here we go. iowa is a week from tonight. the republican cause of the front running candidate has already seen 1200 people criminally charged, over 800 convicted, pled guilty, and

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the world saw a lot of hate and violence. president biden speaking today at mother emanuel ame church in charleston, south carolina which in 2015 was the site of a gun massacre by a 20 year old white supremacist. the confederate flag and the confederate cause. he opened fire on a black church bible study, shot ten african american parishioners. president biden said today after the civil war, the confederates couldn't accept that they lost the war. they embraced what's known as the lost cause, the self-serving of the civil war, not about slavery, but that was a lie, he said today. and now, he said we are living in an era of a second lost cause. once again, there are some in this country trying to turn a loss into a lie, a lie which if allowed to live will bring terrible damage to this country. this time, the lie is about the 2020 election. joining us now here on set is

congressman adam schiff, a democrat of california. congressman, it's really nice to have you here in person. thanks for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> good to see you. president biden, i think, i don't know, but i think, not necessarily by his own choice, but by necessity, is focusing his campaign on threats to democracy. you very famously have made that case to the american public yourself and your role in the impeachment, january 6th investigation. what do you make of this strategic call by the president? >> i think it's one of necessity. we are at a really fragile point in the history of our country, in the history of our democracy. you talked in your opening discussion about the state of our two party system. in a two party system, both parties need to have relative health. they need to be healthy for the system to work. i look forward to the day where the republican party is once again home for people like liz

cheney and adam kinzinger. but today, the republican party is in terribly ill health. and just by that standard, our democracy is more vulnerable today than it was three years ago. three years ago, two days from january 6th, and two days after those events, republican leaders were repudiating donald trump. kevin mccarthy was talking about his culpability. and you had mitch mcconnell about, around that time, talking about, that there will be remedies, prosecutions for this kind of thing. here we are, three years later, the republican party is trying to completely reinvent those days and what took place. they have been closer to him than ever. he is worse than ever. they are describing both the president and the republican leaders, elise stefanik, those who were arrested on that day as hostages, as political prisoners. well, two days after the actual

event, they were not describing those who beat officers, bear sprayed them, and had them running for their lives. they were not describing them as, you know, political prisoners, those who arrested and that mail-in, but now they are. in terms of commitment to democracy, the republican party is way worse than it was on that day. and it's been a clear trajectory. i often look to the canaries and the coal mine, and one of them for me, in 2016, not one donald trump was elected, although that was a pretty compelling sign that we are in trouble. but in north carolina on the same day when it democratic governor was elected. and republicans in north carolina responded not by saying, next time, we're gonna do better, not by saying that we will have a better message, better policies, or a better candidate, but by instead stripping the democratic governor of his responsibilities. it's what the republicans in the legislature did. that was an ethic that said it's no longer about democracy. it's no longer about free and

fair elections. it's about if you lose, you try to change the rules of the game. or as we would see four years later, you try to overturn the results -- >> or democrats are inherently ineligible to hold power, and only republicans can hold power. i mean, that, to me, was, north carolina, that your political enemy was not somebody who you try to beat in an election and whoever wins gets power. your political enemy is not allowed to ever hold power even if they win. and that's the end. >> yes, yes. if the other side winds, it's inherently illegitimate. >> yeah! >> and so, i think of necessity. the president has to make this a big part, a central theme of his campaign. and also, as you are pointing out, as speaker pelosi pointed out, not in theoretical terms, but in concrete terms. what would it mean to our economy to move away from

democracy and become something less, some kind of an autocratic form of government? it would be a disaster for us economically. it would be disastrous for us on the world stage. it would be a disaster for allies like those in ukraine fighting the russian dictator. it would be a disaster for our freedoms. we've lost some of our freedoms with a conservative reactionary court. we will lose more the more we move towards autocracy. i also think one of the sharpest contrasts between joe biden and donald trump goes beyond the economic issues. it goes beyond even democracy issues. and it's one of just basic decency. i think the biden administration is betting and i, i think it's a good bet. the american people want the president to be a decent human being. you couldn't have a sharper contrast to sit in between someone like joe biden who is a good person, who is empathetic towards the struggles of the american people, who is looking to address the needs of the

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