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capitol hill where if you didn't happen to already be watching the news this morning, you missed a huge surprise that caused a huge spectacle. at 10:04 a.m., the house oversight committee gavelled in to debate ahead of a vote to hold hunter biden in contempt of congress for refusing to comply with a gop subpoena for closed door testimony. at 10:09, hunter biden escorted by secret service and flanked by his lawyers just showed up to the committee room offering himself up for public testimony. but instead of taking him up on that offer, republicans got angry and democrats got exasperated. >> yes, i'm looking at you, hunter biden, as i'm speaking to you. you are not above the law at all. i believe that hunter biden should be held completely in contempt. i think he should be hauled off to jail right now. >> let's vote. let's take a vote.

who wants to hear from hunter right now today? anyone? come on. who wants to hear from hunter? no one. >> mr. biden doesn't make the rules, we make the rules. >> mr. chairman, you make the rules, and the rule you made is that he can choose. >> excuse me, hunter, apparently you're afraid of my words. >> it was messy, and shouty, and not exactly easy to follow, so let us bring in our reporters to explain the context and what the gop does now. nbc's sahil kapur is on capitol hill. also with us is jacqueline alemany, "washington post" congressional investigative reporter and msnbc contributor, and robert gibbs, former white house press secretary under president obama and msnbc political analyst. sahil, explain the context here. why was it such a surprise and why did it throw things so out of kilter when hunter biden showed up. >> reporter: what hunter biden

was attempting to convey here is he's not hiding from republicans, he's not refusing to testify as part of the investigation, he's happy to do so under oath. he's adamant he do so publicly in the light of day, and not behind closed doors. he said republicans will rip his context out of context in bad faith. after that surprise appearance, his attorney abbe lowell spoke about that position. let's play what he had to say. >> hunter chose a hearing where republicans could not distort, manipulate, or misuse that testimony. the republican chairs today then are commandeering an unprecedented resolution to hold someone in contempt who has offered to publicly answer all of their proper questions. the question there is what are they afraid of? >> reporter: now the republican response is essentially, hunter

biden doesn't get to set the terms. they're the ones that control the house. they have subpoena power, they issued a lawful subpoena and demanded he show up behind closed doors. he refused and they're going to vote to hold him in contempt and refer him to the justice department for criminal prosecution. we showed nancy mace, saying that hunter biden should be hauled off to jail, and made a taylor swift reference, you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. and jared moskowitz said he'll be happy to hold hunter biden in contempt, after jim jordan, and others who refused to testify on january 6th. all in all, katy, a banner day for congressional theater but probably won't change the trajectory of what happens next. >> let me ask you what democrats say they were so frustrated by beyond the others who refused to comply with congressional subpoenas and who they say should be held in contempt as sahil just mentioned. democrats say, listen, chairman

comer went on television and offered hunter biden to come in and testify in public before hunter biden said yes, and then he reneged on it, and when comer tried to wiggle out of it, they pointed specifically to the tv interview that he was talking on when he said this. we have a clip of that, let me play it. >> we're in the downhill phase of this investigation now because we have so many documents. and we can bring these people in for deposition, for committee hearings, whichever they choose. and we can ask these questions with evidence. >> okay. so why not just take them up on the public offering? jackie? >> yeah, katy, it's a very good question, and it's the question that democrats have been asking over and over again, that hunter biden essentially allow democrats to dare republicans to

publicly question him again this morning after his surprise appearance at the hearing. you know, it's unclear what james comer's grand strategy is, but if you talk to his colleagues privately, they feel like he's made missteps along the way and some of the strategy decisions he's made that have exposed him in this instance in particular for not following through on his desire to question hunter biden. as you saw abbe lowell explain and sahil explained himself, you know, hunter maintains that in a closed door deposition, republicans are going to selectively leak what he has to say, and that he wants to take this out into the public. hunter was also able to successfully, i think, distract some of the media attention away from the impeachment hearing going on on the other side of the house building with alejandro mayorkas, which actually has far more internal house gop support.

but democrats and republicans meanwhile on the house oversight committee are still debating the matter right now as we speak, and were anticipating several amendments to continue to be introduced, including an amendment introduced by democrats that would essentially bar the members, scott perry, andy bigs and jim jordan, the three who have previously defied congressional subpoenas from voting on this contempt resolution if and when it does make it to the house floor for a full vote. >> let me ask you, the house republicans say that their ultimate goal here is to impeach president biden, and they need hunter biden to help gather evidence. what evidence have they so far gathered, what evidence do they have to even open this impeachment inquiry? >> that's really the most important question of all, that republicans have yet to answer. they have still not been able to produce any evidence that supports their allegations and the entire thesis of this investigation that president biden, these allegations, again,

unsubstantiated, that president biden benefitted financially from his son's business dealings in ukraine and across the world really, and china as well. and that his policy decisions were influenced by hunter's business interests. they have brought in countless witnesses and people who have testified publicly and privately before them over the past year, and very little evidence has materialized that directly connects joe biden to his son's business dealings. we've seen republicans again and again mischaracterize and misrepresent some of the evidence that they have obtained about hunter's business dealings that wasn't previously public, and does have -- is slightly nefarious in the sense that hunter was clearly trying to trade off the biden family name. but again, does not show any wrong doing by joe biden in his capacity post vice presidency

and during the vice presidency in the obama administration. >> what is the biden administration, what do they do with all of this, robert, as this is going on on capitol hill. every time something happens, karine jean-pierre is asked about it. >> was the white house informed that hunter biden would be showing up at the house oversight committee on capitol hill? >> here's what i'll say. he is a private citizen, he makes his own decisions like he did today about how to respond to congress and i would refer you any further questions, any additional questions about this process certainly to hunter's representatives. >> robert, i'm sure the white house wants to swing at this. i'm sure president biden wants to discuss this, to defend his son, to call this all bunk to get out there, but is this one of those pitches that the white house is better off not taking?

even if they think it's an easy one to hit. >> yes, absolutely. i think what you do in this case is you certainly don't want to look like you're either interfering with or involved in the legal strategy or anything to do with, you know, obviously hunter biden's -- you've been indicted by the justice department. you have to have that hands off attack in this. but i think also, look, in some ways, what hunter is doing is creating this hypocritical caricature, side show, never a dull day in washington, and i think what it does is it adds many levels of not just news excitement to this but really paints this as a circus. and i think if the end goal is you just mentioned impeaching the president, what this does, i think, is help each side, quite frankly, the bases of each side

get more engaged. get more excited about this issue. it helps hunter biden's lawyers make the point that quite frankly otherwise would be farther down in the news coverage, and i think the white house belief is that something like an impeachment inquiry without any evidence related to president biden is a loser politically for republicans. >> is it a good idea for hunter biden to show up unannounced like he did today and suddenly leave the hearing room after only a few minutes when marjorie taylor green starts talking, robert? >> well, look, i think the point clearly that hunter biden and his lawyer wanted to make today was if the committee was interested in hearing directly from hunter biden, as they've said they are, and they're holding him in contempt of not doing, here he is to answer questions. so in reality, i think being there, being present and having them not take him up on doing that does help his side of this. there's no doubt that there's

peril on either side. democrat and republican for this strategy. there's no doubt that this is going to be a much bigger story today because hunter was there. but it's more likely that the points that hunter biden and his lawyer want to get into that coverage are going to be more prominent because of the stunt that he pulled today. >> robert gibbs, sahil kapur, jacqueline alemany, thank you very much. donald trump won't be able to give his own closing argument at his civil fraud trial tomorrow. he wanted, to but the judge said no when donald trump refused not to say certain things. what those are in 60 seconds. (dad) it's our phone bill... we pay for things that we don't need. (mom) that's a bit dramatic. (dad) we must tighten our belts! (mom) a better plan to save is verizon! (vo) that's right! plans start at $25 per line guaranteed for 3 years. only on verizon. ♪everything i do that's for my health is an accomplishment.♪ ♪concerns of getting screened faded away♪

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trump have his say, engoron said he ultimately denied the request because trump and his attorneys would not agree to the pre-conditions, which included limiting his argument to, quote, commentary on the relevant material facts that are in evidence and application of the relevant law to those facts. in other words, trump's closing argument could not be testimony, no new evidence, no campaign speech, no impugning the judge, his staff, the ag and her office, or the new york state court system. nbc's vaughn hillyard joins us now from des moines, iowa. the e-mail exchange, which has now been put into the record is a doozy to read in full. judge engoron says he's asking donald trump and the team to do what is required of any counsel. you got to stick to what is relevant, and not wander from that, and he didn't want donald trump to do what he did on the stand, which was try to give a campaign speech. what was the goal here for donald trump? what do we know about his desire

to get up there and give his closing argument when this is a bench trial? there's no jury, and there were no cameras in the courtroom. >> reporter: right. actually, let's be real here, katy, for donald trump, there is a lot on the line, not only a potential $370 million penalty that is being sought by new york attorney general letitia james, but also the future of the trump organization. letitia james is asking the judge to suspend donald trump's ability to ever have a business in the state of new york. so for donald trump, you could make the case that, hey, with a 50 point lead in iowa, it would be understandable why he would want to be in lower manhattan tomorrow to hear the closing arguments. it was notable that he and his lawyer, chris kise were efforting to try to get him the opportunity to speak. of course you said it there, for lawyers in closing arguments, they are bound by the rules that they must stick to the evidence that has already been presented in the courtroom.

these rules would not be something specific to donald trump, but if he wanted to stand in in place of the lawyer, he wanted to abide by the rules of the judge and the court. ultimately come 11:54 this morning, the lawyer for donald trump, chris kise had not gotten back to judge engoron and had not agreed to these conditions that were being asked by the judge. and in that e-mail, the judge writes, quote, i won't debate this yet again, take it or leave it. now or never, you have until noon. seven minutes from now, i will not grant any further extensions. well, noon today, came and gone, katy, and donald trump did not agree to those conditions. while he may be in lower manhattan tomorrow, he will not be speaking on behalf of himself and instead he'll be letting his lawyers do that at a time when potentially the future of the trump organization in the state of new york is on the line. >> is he going to be preparing for, say, the iowa caucus which is on monday? he hasn't exactly been in iowa

all that much. the other candidates are out there crisscrossing the state. donald trump really has barely been there, and some voters have told diffe publications that they kind of fl like he's missing in action. does the cn feel that they have any catin up to do or are ty hoping that this is already in the bag? >> reporter: he absolutely is missing in action. i mean, that's why i'm standing here on the streets of des moines because he's not here. we should note, though, katy, he will be taking part in a fox news town hall that is invite only here tonight, so he will be here for the only time this week until he has rallies over the weekend, and he'll be flying back tonight in new york in order to appear there. you know, they look at the polling. they believe they have built an organization, which frankly, they think is a credible organization, one that has amassed an onslaught of volunteers to mobilize. they have the names of tens of thousands of supporters, and they just simply over the course of the next five days need to

remind them that on monday night at 7:00 p.m. they need to be in their local precinct, and they feel very confident about what they had built up over the course of the last year plus. for donald trump, he will be here for a couple of rallies over the weekend, the last get out the vote effort, but by and large, it may not be a surprise that donald trump is most concerned about not only what is happening in d.c., as part of that immunity hearing yesterday, but also the future of the trump organization. >> it might turn out to be who is most enthusiastic that showed up on monday with the temperatures, what is it, negative 10, real feel. that does not sound fun. >> i think we're talking about negative 25 windchill on sunday. i have to do some socks shopping. >> vaughn,ha you so much. this week alone, the front runner f republican party was in federal court arguing he could do anything as president, even order the assassination of a political rival. he, donald trump that is, was in federal court.

he also said he hopes an economic crash comes this year, so he wouldn't have to deal with it as president, and he revived his birther attacks. this time on nikki haley. reposting a right wing article which claims incorrectly that haley was ineligible to be president. his primary rivals, nikki haley and ron desantis use any of that, seize on any of that to go after the front runner. nbc's dasha burns joins us from des moines. so will they? >> reporter: it's a great question, katy. we haven't seen a whole lot of trump attacks in past debates. in fact, we see a whole lot more of these candidates attacking each other, especially in recent days. look, nobody thought the competition for second place would stretch on as long as it has. i think a lot of folks are hoping it would be put to bed, and that maybe tonight will be a step towards that. this will be the first time that desantis and haley are on stage, just the two of them.

they'll be head to head as they have been neck in neck in the polls here, and really ramping up their attacks on each other, both on the air waves and in interviews, including in both of their sit-downs with us and with the "des moines register" last week, but they're going to have to do a lot in this debate to rile up voter support because as you mentioned, those temperatures, i mean, katy, imagine do you want to go out in negative 25 degree windchill temps? i don't think so. the popular theory is that it is likely that those negative tents might actually impact the trump campaign more because he's been out here saying that we're so far ahead, we're so far ahead, that people might think, all right, he's got it in the bag. why do i need to show up. so it might actually benefit desantis and haley a little bit more. here's what desantis had to say recently. >> doesn't matter the weather, they're going to be there. they're going to caucus. you know, donald trump has said he has all the votes he needs, you know, i mean, i don't know

how that's going to affect some of his folks. he's basically telling some folks that he's got it, so if it's negative 12, you know, you may have other options, according to him. i don't know. i want everyone to come out. >> reporter: former president trump has actually been changing his rhetoric on the campaign trail a little bit recently at rallies here, telling voters, pretend we're a point down. vote like it's a point down. so we'll see if that gets through, especially as it is getting cold out here, katy. >> dasha burns, get a hat. dasha, thank you very much. let's go to nbc news steve kornacki at the big board. steve, what do the numbers tell us, and i know we're getting another big poll on saturday. what do we expect before then? >> that's the big qualifier with all of this. we're going to have the final nbc news des moines poll, the one everybody waits for before every caucus. we'll show you what we have so far, the most recent nbc news "des moines register" poll from a few weeks ago, and what it tells us about the haley,

desantis battle in second place. overall, we found trump with the gigantic lead. tightly bunched together, so if desantis is going to get second, what is he relying on, what is holding him back so far. let's take that piece first. so desantis, this is interesting, if you just ask iowa republicans if they have a favorable or unfavorable view of the candidates, it's not like they've looked at desantis and said i don't like the guy. they like him a lot. very popular among iowa republicans, 66-29, somewhat significantly more popular than nikki haley against iowa republicans. the progress for desantis has been he has been pursuing a lot through messaging, endorsements. he has been trying to go after voters who like donald trump as well. and the issue he seems to be running into is simply that voters are saying, iowa republicans are saying they like desantis, but they also like trump and when you ask who they're going to vote for or

caucus for, they're more likely to say they're going for trump. you look at trump voters, who is your second choice, overwhelmingly, it's ron desantis. desantis has made a very positive impression on trump voters. he hasn't got many to rethink their loyalty and pick him back. that's what's been holding him back. he's going to have to eat into more of the trump support in the polls to have a good showing on monday night. for haley, meanwhile, here's where her support is disproportionately coming from. we have seen other polls in other states, nationally, that also show haley gaining particularly with independent voters. again, she does best with independents. she does best with republicans who are trump skeptical, who are hostile to trump. that is a constituency. the problem is if you get

outside of iowa, that's not necessarily, you rely on that, that's not going to be a majority constituency across the country in republican caucuses and primaries. if that is what she's leaning on in iowa, could that get her second place on monday night, and the positive headlines that would come out of that, that's certainly possible. >> steve, we are going to be watching, especially with the nikki haley numbers on the rise. coming up next, andrea mitchell asks secretary of state antony blinken what the hold up is in opening more entry points to get aid into gaza. her exclusive sit-down, and his answer, next. [deep exhale] [trumpet music plays] 579 breaths to show 'em your stuff.

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secretary of state antony blinken made an unexpected visit to bahrain today, working on getting more buy in on arab nations to stabilize gaza after the war. earlier today, blinken was in the occupied west state, meeting with the leader of the palestinian authority, which the biden administration hopes will govern gaza. those discussions are critical. right now, 90% of gaza's population is facing severe hunger, potentially starvation, according to the u.n. for children, survival is not good enough, long periods without adequate categories can have lifelong consequences. what is the u.s., which is helping to fund israel's war doing to ensure more aid gets to innocent civilians. nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell

asked secretary of state blinken in an exclusive sit-down in tel aviv. >> i sat down with secretary of state tony blinken in israel exclusively, and talked to him after he had met with prime minister netanyahu and the war cabinet about his hopes that israel will wind down the war and do more to protect palestinians, 23,000 of whom have died, according to the palestinian health ministry and do more to get food and other aid into the palestinians. to do that, he said israel has to start cooperating more with the united nations, despite suspicions and criticisms of the u.n. for past votes against israel, but the u.n., he said, is the only agency that has the experience and the people on the ground who can get desperately needed aid into gaza. here's what he had to say. >> does israel have to work with the united nations with whom it has had decades of an adversarial relationship, because of u.n. resolutions and

hostile criticism, and the u.s. has supported israel on almost all of these. isn't it critical for this stuff to get in? >> it is. it is imperative that israel work with the united nations. it's imperative that this assistance get in, more get in, and once it's in it get effectively to the people who need it. the united nations is the only game in town. they're the ones who are on the ground, incredibly courageously, given that the they're in the middle of a conflict, the middle of a war, trying to get assistance to people who need it, and they have done extraordinary things, and it requires cooperation. there's no choice. no one else is going to do it. if the u.n. wasn't doing it, it would be israel's responsibility to do it, so this is something, again, that we've talked about extensively. look, we've made real progress over the last couple of months,

opening new entry points, and we're working through all of them. we're getting, i think, more entry points open. >> the secretary of state was clearly disappointed in what he heard from prime minister netanyahu and the war cabinet. not getting a commitment to wind the war down quickly. he's hoping to get food aid in and encouraged by what the arab world told him, and once the war is over, rebuild gaza, pour money into gaza and help palestinians lead gaza, combining into what they hope will lead to a homeland of palestinians state. a lot of hard decisions have to be made for that to happen, but he's leaving here optimistic. back to you. >> andrea mitchell, thank you. let's continue this conversation

with aaron david miller, is secretary blinken's answer on getting aid into gaza good enough? >> you know, what he didn't say is critical. he said it before, look, you cannot surge and that's what gaza needs, katy. thanks for having me. you cannot surge assistance into gaza through the existing crossing ports without a fundamental alteration of israel's ground game. there's no sanctuary, there's no safe and predictable corridors through which to administer aid. the world health organization, for example, is already lamenting the fact that they can't get aid into those palestinians who are in gaza, northern gaza, roughly 250,000 who did not flea under israeli pressure and persuasion. they can't get aid in because of

the absence of security. the administration is expecting a fundamental alteration of the ground operation, heavy on it. a much more brigade, not division size, but brigade intelligence driven, focused operations that would allow the corridors to exist in central and southern gaza. that has to happen, and it's not a hope, i think, on the part of the president. it's an expectation. that by late january or early february, more aid and assistance will be in. >> for what happens next, secretary blinken was talking to mahmoud abbas today in the west bank, the palestinian authority leader. the united states says it wants the palestinian authority to govern gaza. israel has not been in favor of that. the palestinian authority hasn't been strong in recent years certainly.

is it realistic to expect mahmoud abbas to govern that territory? >> no, it's realistic if we're talking eight to ten months to a year. it's realistic if you have a revitalized palestinian authority. it has more credibility. it's a corrupt authority, a feckless one, autocratic one. the israelis have a lot to do with undermining the palestinian authorities through the settlement policies and land competition in the west bank. it's going to require in israel a government that is willing and able to facilitate these things. i think prime minister netanyahu will ultimately come around in the course of 2024 to accepting the reality that palestinians have to govern gaza and the only palestinians that frankly will be able even to have a chance at doing that is if you return the palestinian authority,

revitalized, reformed to govern gaza as it did since 1994. >> what are the conversations that blinken has been having with middle east leaders in the region today? today he made a surprise visit, unannounced visit to bahrain. >> he's got to, at least three agenda items there, katy. number one is the red sea. and trying to enlist as much arab participation in terms of warning the houthis, the continued attacks on shipping there will ultimately result in a hopefully, an international fi response in yemen, the only thing that may get their attention, and talk to the key gulf leaders about the day after and the day after that. i just think that the price of admission for arab financial and political support for reconstructing gaza is some commitment to tether gaza to a

broader search for israeli and palestinian peace, and frankly, right now, no israeli or no palestinian is willing to make the kinds of choices that are necessary to have a serious negotiation over those issues. you're dealing with two traumatized communities in israel and gaza and the west bank, and i suspect it's going to take time and new leadership, new leadership over jerusalem and ramallah to have any chance of making that happen. >> that's been the consistent answer i have been getting from experts like you. aaron david miller, always good to have you. thanks for being on. >> thanks, katy, sorry to be the bearer of bad news. >> it's okay. another huge storm is headed across the u.s. after the last one killed at least five people and forced new york to relocate 2,000 migrants from tent shelters.

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at least five people are dead and 300,000 are without power from a winter storm that stretched from coast to coast. tornadoes from florida to north carolina ripped through neighborhoods and tore apart homes. in norwich, connecticut, there's a flash flood warning and evacuations after torrential rainfall caused a partial dam break, and in the midwest, millions face severe cold and white house conditions. in des moines, the big dig is on right now after more than a foot

of snow fell in just 24 hours. in new york, 2,000 migrants had to be evacuated from tent shelters ahead of heavy rainfall here. it was a giant effort as the city says it already does not have enough room to shelter then all. what happens next for these families? >> reporter: that's the question right now. for families who were here sleeping in chairs and on the floor of the gymnasium at the high school behind me, they are right back again to floyd bennett field which is an old airport and runway in a winterized tent. and in some cases, that's for an indefinite period of time. for other families, they're facing 60-day eviction notices from the shelters they're staying in. they're headed back to the

roosevelt hotel, and trying to reach out to friends and family and move in with folks not just in new york but all over the country right now, and this incident here at the high school, though, has really become a flash point in all of this. just hours ago, there was a raucous rally, small but rowdy, people had fingers in each other's faces, yelling about what the migrant crisis has done to the city. take a listen to some of my conversation with a community organizer who was here at the rally trying to support migrant families. >> there's a million things that mayor adams could do, completely rewriting this budget to actually center social services, making sure we're housing people. there's 11 thousand thousand apartments, moving people into permanent shelters, they can't work if they're sleeping in a gym. in fact, there were no beds in the high school. these people sat in chairs overnight. and they were moved at 4:00 in the afternoon, and then at 4:30 in the morning. that is not the way we treat

people, they're not cattle. they're not livestock. they're human beings with lives, and children, and human rights that are fundamental to them. >> reporter: and what i found very interesting here is that everyone on every side of the political spectrum actually agrees on something, and that's that leaving people to sleep in places like a former airport or in a high school gym floor, that that's not appropriate, and so what they are all calling on, again, people on all sides of the spectrum are calling for mayor adams to do is make use of things like commercial spaces or empty apartment buildings that landlords are just holding on to to get a bit more creative here so that the impacts of all of this, as people continue to arrive each week doesn't affect families and school communities, katy. >> they need to get jobs, they need to, wo. they want to work, and the system is not set up to let them be a part of anything. to let them work. it's really difficult. antonia hylton, thank you very much. and we have breaking news also in new york.

there's been another subway derailment. the second in less than a week here. a manhattan-bound f train went off an elevated tra just before 12:30 this afternoon in coney island, brooklyn. it's near the last stop on the f train, all the way in south brooklyn. so far at least 17 people have been evacuated, but there are reportedly still passengers stuck on the tracks. it is not immediately clear at this moment what caused the derailment, but it does, again, come after last week's minor collision between two trains that made an uptown one train derail on the upper west side. also new today, the ceo of boeing says he is sorry. the company made serious mistakes, he said, and that the door plug which blew off on an alaska airlines flight could have been so much worse. phil lebeau joins us from renton, washington, where the boeing planes are built. the ceo admitted this is a

problem that needs to be addressed. what exactly is the fix here? >> reporter: that's what they're trying to determine right now, katy. part of that determination is separate from the investigation into the that fuselage door plug being pulled off of the alaska airlines flight on friday night. this involves analyzing what engineers and mechanics are seeing when they go in and do inspections of the max 9s that are grounded. there are 171 worldwide that are grounded. most are operated by alaska and united airlines. here's what dave calhoun told me a couple of hours ago about those inspections and what they need to learn from them. >> the specific actions that we will have to take to make certain it never happens again will all be informed by the data we collect from the inspections, by the data we collect from these inspections. so no airplane will fly. one of the dash 9s will fly with

an unsafe condition, that i can promise. all of the work that we have to do in the background and in the quality systems to ensure that an ongoing basis it never happens again, that work is ahead of us. but we are committed to doing it. >> reporter: bottom line is this, boeing is in the process of trying to figure out exactly what has been seen from the max 9s that have been grounded. the final rules for inspections and making sure that those planes are up to snuff, katy, that has not been worked out between the faa and boeing. they are in constant conversation. it may be in the next couple of days that the airlines who operate those planes will get those instructions. once they do it, then they can make sure the planes are safe to fly again. katy, back to you. >> phil lebeau, thank you very much. i hope they figure it out because it's quite scary. homeland security secretary, alejandro mayorkas, what

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house republicans are pushing ahead, trying to impeach homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, and as you're about to see, the line of questioning today went in an unusual direction. is the selling of fentanyl inside the united states causing hundreds of thousands of deaths over the past years considered a

high crime in your opinion? >> i'm unaware that the secretary has sold any fentanyl. >> i'm not directing that to the secretary. >> do you consider slavery a high crime? >> is there any evidence that secretary mayorkas has enslaved anyone? >> this is getting a little bit more complicated than i thought it was going to be. >> nbc's julia ainsley joins us now. it's complicated for me. what's happening there? what's he talking about? >> right there, that's a republican asking the run democratic called witness, a constitutional professor is trying to pin him on the fact that he said, as far as he's seen, secretary mayorkas has committed no high crimes and misdemeanors so therefore there's no reason, no legal base for his impeachment. in this case, he's trying to say because there's been human trafficking, and fentanyl across

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mayorkas is going to solve these problems. you want to get rid of president biden, and then perhaps you can put your own secretary in there that will come up with a different policy, but just impeaching mayorkas, we'll have another appointment of another secretary who follows the policy of the administration, and you won't like that either. so. >> and that was the point of today, really, the last time a secretary has been impeached, a cabinet level secretary was under the grant administration, that was for blatant corruption. what democrats said today is this has nothing to do with mayorkas, and more to do with policies that republicans disagree with. >> julia, thank you very much. coming up next on "katy tur reports" at 3:00 p.m. it used to be that donald trump voters were worried about supporting him, now some republican voters tell us they're scared to admit they don't support him. what might that mean for a surprise at the ballot box. llotx organic ingredients, and fermentation.

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