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yemen. the threats now coming from iran-backed rebels. plus, the red sea ripple effect, how a tax in the region have shipping costs soaring. we're running the numbers. and the race for iowa heats up in the middle of a blizzard. will the extreme cold affect even the heartiest of iowa caucus goers. >> and it's not just an election we're tracking but a possible government shutdown, the pressure on speaker mike johnson as he balances demands from his right flank. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments and we begin with those air strikes in yemen. the u.s. and allies targeting houthi militants after months of attacks in the red sea. nbc's raf sanchez is reporting from tel aviv. so where does this go from here, raf? >> reporter: well, chris, the concern in the middle east is we are heading for escalation. the u.s. says these strikes were aimed at deterring the houthis after months of attacks on commercial shipping in the red sea, that these attacks were

designed to degrade their ability to carry out those kinds of strikes, but the houthis are saying today they are not deterred. they have been organizing massive rallies in the areas of western yemen, which they control. they say they are going to continue striking not just commercial ships but they intend to retaliate against the united states and its allies. there is a lot of concern in saudi arabia today, the neighbor of yemen that the houthis might turn their weapons towards saudi oil facilities to other bases in that country. so a lot of worry that these strikes designed to deescalate may actually lead to escalation instead. we have also been hearing from administration officials today laying out the rationale for these strikes conducted after two months of houthi attacks. we heard earlier from john kirby, the spokesman from the national security saying that these attacks deliberately

carried out at night to reduce casualties, saying the last straw for president biden was this very large scale attack launched earlier this week, and i want you to take a listen to a little bit of what else he had to say. >> if you go back to november and walk your way through to just last night, everything we've done, diplomatically, and militarily has been designed to keep the tensions down, and to convince the houthis not to continue these deadly attacks. in the wake of the almost unprecedented level of attacks that happened a couple of days ago, where multiple drones, multiple missiles fired at multiple ships in the red sea, the president determined after that attack had been defeated now is the time to go after houthi capabilities on shore. >> reporter: and one of the concerns we have been hearing from the administration was that it was only a matter of time

given the amount of missiles being fired into the red sea before an american military vessel was going to be hit by one of these. that is something that could lead not just to a confrontation with the houthis but also with iran, the houthis backers, which is something the united states does not want to see. so far, no missiles fired from the houthis with the whole region watching closely. chris. >> raf sanchez, thank you. those retaliatory strikes come after houthi rebels upended commercial shipping with dozens of attacks in the red sea. cnbc is following this for us for cnbc on msnbc. help us understand the ripple effect here. >> sure, the ripple effect, it's wide, chris, and it's vast and very quick and moves on a dime. the last time i was on we were talking about the soaring freight rates. they're supposed to set starting on monday, a new round of rates. yesterday some managers got a

surprise because while the east coast rates up, $8,000 per container, on the west coast, asia to the west coast route, those rates are now down, and they are big. you were anticipating a $5,000 per container rate. now they're just a little bit over 3,000. and that's good news for the consumer because that means it's going to be less money being tacked on to our products over here. when you're looking at the reason why it's because of the lack of demand. msc, the largest ocean carrier in the world, they're actually cancelling vessels, going from asia to the united states because of the lack of demand, because of the lack of containers, and so also, looking across the pond with these ripple effects, it also impacts the supply chain, and you saw that today with tesla, where they're announcing that they have to shutter a plant because the components to make their cars are not there. and so when you're looking at

all of this, it's loose and fast, things are changing at the moment, and it's very very difficult for logistics managers and companies to kind of plan ahead, and when it comes to the flow of trade, chris, it's all about certainty, and with these attacks in the red sea, it's only adding to the uncertainty which is going to fuel rates and the route delays that we're seeing. >> lori ann with that warning, thank you. now to iowa where nikki haley and ron desantis are not only battling each other for the number two spot, they're battling a blizzard as well. nbc's dasha burns is on the ground. oh, my goodness, everybody else has been inside, but no, the intrepid dasha burns. i was going to say what's the latest on the weather, we can see it here. look, i have been to iowa almost every year for decades, every four years for decades, and they are an intrepid group, those

caucus goers but this is something else potentially all together. >> reporter: iowa is real extra right now, chris, and giving everybody a run for their money. listen, events have been cancelled, desantis has cancelled events. haley has turned her events into virtual ones, and the question s how is this going to impact turnout, and who is going to benefit, who is that going to hurt in this caucus. listen, the desantis team thinks that low turnout is going to be good for them because they have had this ground operation that's been really expansive. they have the team on the ground to make that impact, to get people out. once they get to the caucus site, are they going to cast their votes for ron desantis. the trump team, he has changed his rhetoric recently at his rallies, saying, listen, vote like we're running from behind because their concern is because people feel like, he's got this

thing in the bag, he's so many points ahead, will they potentially stay home during these frigid temperatures, but at the same time, they're saying, listen, our voters are going to walk over glass to vote for donald trump, and i've been at these rallies when it has been really really cold here over the last couple of weeks. i met women who had waited for over eight hours in the frigid cold outside to get into a trump event. the jury is out about who this is going to benefit. the one bit of consensus i have been hearing is that it's likely it will dampen turnout. here's what we heard from nikki haley and desantis trying to rile up their voters. >> i know it's going to be negative 15 on monday. i don't even know what that is. like i literally can't comprehend it. it's going to be negative 15. but i'm going to be out there. and i want you to go out there. >> i'm asking you to go out there. i'm asking you to brave the elements. i'm asking you to support me, and if you can trudge through

some really cold weather for a few hours, you'll launch me to be able to serve you as president for the next eight years and turn this country around. >> reporter: and what you're seeing behind me now, this is nothing compared to what we're expecting monday night, negative 30, that's tough for iowans used to brutal temps. >> i can't thank you enough for braving it for us. we appreciate it. but the shot's fantastic, let me tell you. let's go to capitol hill now where house speaker mike johnson is under pressure from all sides as he tries to juggle a looming government shutdown with demands from his right flank. nbc's julie tsirkin is on capitol hill for us. we're a week away from the first partial government funding deadline, so what do we know about where negotiations stand. >> hey, chris, we finally got a marker from speaker johnson this morning, who after meeting several times in his office off

the floor, votes, everywhere you could think of, with different factions of his conference, you're talking the hard liners, you're talking the moderates, really, everybody who can potentially sway him in this process, he came out before the press. you see there on the screen, and said this, watch. >> in keeping with my commitment to bring medical examiner into the legislative process, i have spoken and received feedback from many members all across the republican conference. that's a very important part of this. when i became speaker, i committed to decentralizing the speaker's office and making this a member-driven process. that's been part of this. our top line agreement remains. we are getting our next steps together. and we are working toward a robust appropriations process, so stay tuned for all of that to develop. >> chris, our top line agreement remains, he's talking about that agreement he struck with senate majority leader chuck schumer clearly continuing to take ownership of that agreement, one that many in his party have

criticized, the hard right flank says it does not cut spending enough. they have threatened to shut down the government, and johnson, paying attention to what happened to his predecessor for doing largely the same things he's trying to do right now, function and keep the government open. he's got to keep that in mind because of the motion to vacate. those hard liners saying they are not willing to go that route. right now, looking good in terms of avoid a shutdown. they will need a short-term continuing resolution to bridge the gap. i'm told march the date is they're eyeing to get all of the work done and finish the appropriations process for the year. >> julie tsirkin, thank you for the update, appreciate it. the ultra conservative iowa companies that could make or break the hopes of republican candidates on caucus day. nbc's steve kornacki standing by at the big board.

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major political players, a key voting bloc in iowa, evangelicals. they're particularly influential in sioux city, northwest iowa. that deeply conservative and religious part of the state is where trump fared the worst in 2016. nbc's priscilla thompson is on the ground for us in sioux city, iowa, and steve kornacki is at the big board. steve, talk about why sioux county is so important in this race? >> we're talking so much about the weather, sioux county is a barometer, politically speaking. this will fill up on monday night with the actual results. donald trump ran in iowa in 2016. let's take a look at how 2016 went for him. remember trump lost iowa, he lost it to ted cruz by three points, and in fact, he barely held off marco rubio, almost came in third place. the reason trump fell short in iowa in 2016 overwhelmingly was evangelical voters. evangelical voters made up 64% of the iowa republican electorate in 2016. that's nearly two out of three

caucus goers, evangelical christian, and remember at the outset of the campaign, there was a lot of skepticism about trump when it came to evangelical voters, and it was most pronounced, as you're seeing, chris, in northwest iowa. it's heavily evangelical, it's heavily church going, that's the other aspect of this as well. you talk about sioux county in northwest indiana. this of the 99 counties in iowa was donald trump's worst. you see ted cruz won it. rubio, ben carson got third place there. trump got 11% of the vote in sioux county. there were other counties that were comparable as well. most religious, most church going counties weren't sold on donald trump in 2016. now, of course the past eight years has been a story politically of evangelical voters and donald trump seeming to form a tight bond. the polling we have had in iowa has donald trump with an outright majority of support of evangelical voters, night and day in 2016. when we look at this map, sioux

county is one of the places we look right away. if donald trump is winning by a big margin, it speaks to a total transformation into a core trump faction. if somebody like ron desantis is going to have any chance of pulling any kind of surprise in iowa, this is the kind of county he's targeted. he has to be doing extremely well in sioux county, if he's going to have any chance of making noise. >> priscilla, you have been actually speaking with voters in sioux county, what are they telling you? >> reporter: i'm hearing a lot about former president donald trump. you would think given how poorly he did in 2016 that ron desantis might have a real shot here, fertile ground, he's really been going after those evangelical voters, but i'm hearing from two types of sioux county voters, those who are still undecided between ron desantis and the former president but leaning towards trump because they say

they know what he will do. he is a tested entity, and they're not quite sure they know ron desantis well enough yet, and i also heard from one first time caucus goer and evangelical young woman who told me she's actually supporting nikki haley because of the way she talks about abortion. obviously a top issue for all of the voters that i spoke to in sioux county. take a listen to some of those conversations. >> nikki haley, she seems to be really against abortion, and as a woman who kind of understands a little bit more instead of just making a statement on something that you're not really a part of. and to paint it in a light where you can be more sympathetic to the person that's going through that and going through a pregnancy and just realizing that they're still a person. >> i am still undecided. i do believe i'm leaning towards trump. i was really stunned that he did what he said he would. he offends, but he gets the job

done. >> reporter: and based on my conversations, that's a real challenge from ron desantis here. there are a lot of caucus goers who feel like there's no real difference between the policies of trump and the policies of these other candidates but the difference they see is that trump did it for four years. they liked what he did and they believe that he will not be scared and that he will do those same things if he's elected back into office. some are hesitant because of some of the baggage he brings with the legal cases and some of these other issues. ultimately that's not stopping them from leaning towards him on caucus night. chris. >> time will tell, again. as i said to dasha, priscilla, thank you for braving the elements for us. steve kornacki, like me, in the warmth of the studio, but we appreciate you as well. coming up next, crazy blizzard like weather about to pound the midwest, just as nasa and noaa unveil their annual climate assessment, and their findings, they're disturbing.

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a major storm system is now bringing blizzard like conditions to the midwest. a ground stop issued earlier this morning at chicago's o'hare international. after that city got several inches of snow overnight. this is the first major winter storm of the season for the windy city, just one of many places, bracing for more snow through tomorrow, as millions of americans are stuck in this storm's path.

nbc's adrienne broaddus. what's it like and what are you expecting? >> we'll start with what's it like? we've seen a mix today. this morning, started out with snow, and right now, it's raining, so it's slippery, and it's wet. but that drop in temperature is what people are most concerned about. listen in. >>. >> we are not scared of the snow, but we are scared of the ice that forms on the road. so we are scared that we might slip and fall. >> especially after you get a lot of wet and heavy snow like this, it will tend to freeze over when it gets that cold, so just making sure the roads are clear and everything is salted off so nobody is slipping or getting in trouble or anything like and obviously people being outside, they don't have anywhere to go. the cold temperatures are worrisome. >> reporter: you heard folks

talking about the ice. that's what they're concerned will happen overnight. when we see the plunge, the drop in temperature, that's when the worst is expected here in chicago. we're talking about wind gusts up to 45 miles per hour, it was the snow and ice that caused that ground stop at chicago o'hare earlier this morning. it's since been lifted, but hey, the travel misery is still happening, not only here in chicago, but across the country. let's take a look at some of these numbers from flight aware. now, between the time period of 11:00 a.m. and 3:00, there were about 836 delays, and more than 300 cancellations. overall, more than 16,000 delays today. when we focus in and narrow in on that number, total delays within to or out of the united states, more than 3,800. and cancellations, more than 3,800, and also a challenge for folks traveling. with that 45 miles per hour wind gust, it's likely you'll see the

snow drift creating low visibility. chris. >> adrienne broaddus, stay warm out there. thank you. we are taking you from that blizzard in the midwest to a brand new report on global climate trends. nasa and noaa announcing 2023 was indeed the world's warmest year on record by far. the ten warmest years since 1850 have now all occurred in the past decade, and noaa's chief scientist says those findings are quote astounding. nbc news meteorologist bill karins is with me. how significant is this new report that 2023 was the warmest on record? >> all the climate scientists knew this was coming. this isn't just because of climate change, chris. this is also mostly because of el nino, how warm the waters were and everything else we have been dealing with. fast forward here. we have been talking about this for the last three to four months. it looked like this was going to be the top warmest year or

second. here's a list of the warmest years we've had. this was this year, just beat the 2016 record. when we knew we had the strong el nino coming. that would maybe build up this much, the warm water and on top of it, we have what we have done to the climate, warm it up. human induced climate change, and burning the fossil fuels, that adds a layer on top of it. because our oceans are still very warm, and because we're still in el nino for the next couple of months, we expect this year, 2024 to be in the top four of the warmest and a slight chance it beats last year as the warmest year we have had. a lot of people get weather and climate confused. you have talked about it, talking about how cold it's going to be over the next week, places in texas, freezing cold and down to the gulf coast. if you hear anyone say, i would like that climate change. they don't know the difference between weather and climate. i would like to explain how you dress, what you choose to wear

that day is weather. your wardrobe is climate. that's what you prepare for for the climate that you live in. even people in florida, chris, have pants. they don't wear them often. they have pants for when it occasionally does get cold. >> what does my wardrobe tell you. >> you're ready for winter, and you know where you live. >> cleveland browns. >> brown. >> that's going to be fun too, but that's in houston, it will be fun. >> it's going to be cold for them, not the browns but the texans. >> kansas city, miami, is going to be frigid. the buffalo game could be in the middle of a snowstorm. cleveland and houston, that's the place to be. >> bill karins, thank you so much. we appreciate it. stay warm this weekend yourself. 100 days of pain, confusion, torment and frustration for the families of hostages being held by hamas right now inside gaza as the war continues. today in israel, their loved

ones gather to chant for their return, and outside the hague in the netherlands where a legal battle is paying out over civilian deaths in gaza, protesters are trying to make sure hostages remain part of the narrative, symbolizing their physical absence from their lives with empty tables and images of those taken. nbc's richard engel has more. >> israelis began to commemorate the milestone in the most mournful way. families of hostages went right to the border with gaza to shout to their loved ones. >> don't give up. stay resilient. we're coming to get you soon. >> the spot is painful and emotional. >> this is where an open air concert was held on october 7th when hamas gunmen suddenly appeared in the sky and went on to murder more than 360 young men and women. kidnapped dozens, and according to israeli officials, raped women.

>> we are standing so close to you. we love you so much. >> romy gonin was kidnapped from the festival. shortly afterwards we met her mother who was on the phone with her daughter as hamas gunmen surrounded her car and took her. i spoke to mirav again today next to romy's photograph. >> she was trying to escape from here, so, you know, i have it in my mind, it's not just the sounds that i hear. now i have the images, the pictures of what she was going through. >> reporter: and when you were shouting out her name, do you believe she could hear you? >> yes, yes, she can either hear me or feel that i'm talking to her. i know she does. >> the israeli government believes at least 100 hostages are still alive in gaza. the white house says at least six of them are americans. negotiations to free them led by

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codefendants in the election interference case. his former lawyer, rudy giuliani, and kanye west's former publicist who the atlanta journal constitution is in court for the first time since she made what could be seen as threatening comments about a witness in the case, and her lawyers apparently now want out. msnbc host of the katie phang show has been following this closely. also with us, msnbc legal analyst, danny cevallos. i'm just told by marty, my intrepid executive producer that they just made a motion to withdraw legal representation from ms. kodi, so what's going on. >> a series of misstep on social media, the most glaring of which happened on november 26th of last year that she did an instagram live, normally it just happens and it's gone. it was captured and recorded and

during that particular instagram live she made what is referred to, though she doesn't directly do it, people think she was referring to ruby freeman. why is that important? in the indictment of fulton county, kodi is alleged to have threatened to ruby freeman to falsely admit to election interference. we have the portion of the video to listen to now. >> everybody is alive. there's no murder weapon. as a matter of fact, there's a woman sitting somewhere who knows this whole thing is a lie, who knows i never did anything, who knows i -- who knows she begged me for help. there's a woman sitting somewhere who knows that i'm going to [ bleep ] her whole life up when this is done. >> now, d.a. fani willis has not moved to revoke the bond conditions, but now trevian codi may have to represent herself pro se.

>> that's her that's kutti, the judge warned what it means not to have representation, not always the best way to go. she says she is now looking for additional counsel, perhaps even someone who is on this call. every defendant in this country, danny cevallos, defense attorney, every defendant, whatever they've done, has the right to representation, but if you have a client who you believe is willfully and blatantly violating the terms of her release, of her bond, right, would you take her on? >> that's not necessarily enough to withdraw. clients do dumb things all the time, and they get their pretrial release revoked. it happens more often than you think. you go into the relationship knowing that this kind of thing may happen. while you may have hints when the person signs up for you, the

key is you get your retainer, and that may be one of the other issues cropping up here is that she may not have been paying her attorneys as well. that reportedly is a possibility here. that's another tricky situation. depending on the court, not all courts will let attorneys out of representation just because the client can't pay any longer. we happen to be in state court for this case. in federal court, i know it's very difficult to get out of a case if a client is unable to pay fees. but in this situation, what you might see is the court appointing counsel either -- >> i'm going to interrupt because the reason we're not playing for you is it's a bad feed we're getting from the court so we're having to really listen closely, but here's what just happened. so she says, i have someone i want to represent me. his name is steven greenberg, and the judge is like, well, isn't that one of the attorneys who's trying to withdraw, and she said he is the one that i

want to represent me, to which he told the judge, i simply cannot help her. now what? >> yeah, this kind of thing actually happens all the time. when an unrepresented person gets before the court, the judge has to safeguard against a number of things. number one, is the defendant kind of gaming the system for delay? i'm not saying that's what's happening here. but a lot of times, judges always hear a pro se defendant come in and say, well, i'm still, i'm in the process of getting a lawyer. i'm getting my money together, and you're laughing because she's seeing the same thing. two totally different jurisdictions, in every courthouse, there are commonalities, maybe they're trying to delay the case. maybe they're trying to hedge their bets. they'll tell the court, i'm working on hiring a lawyer, the court has to say at a certain point, look, either you're hiring one or not. and we have to talk about appointing counsel.

either the public defender or court appointed counsel. >> what the judge said, if she's looking for a delay, whether she's looking for one or not, she got one. i'm going to call you back in a month or two, and dismissed her. that's over with, done. is that pretty typical, again, he dispatched quickly. >> it's up to the judge. this appears to be the first time that she's making this request. make no mistake about it, this month will not be allowed to turn into two months, three months. if she comes back two or three more times, i'm working on it, i can't get my money together, then the judge is likely going to look at the list of private attorneys who are willing to accept court appointments or possibly the public defender, although she may have a conflict. then she might get someone from that list. which is, you know, perfectly good set of attorneys who are agreeing to take on those almost shamefully low fees that the court's pay. but she will have representation. i highly doubt she's going to go forward in this case pro se and actually represent herself at

trial. >> i will quickly say, it doesn't stop the case from proceeding, meaning the state will continue to provide discovery. the state will continue to do its job. she can not later complain. i can't possibly be ready for trial, i didn't have an attorney. this is something she's bringing upon herself. no sympathy bells ringing for her because the judge gives her 30 days to get new counsel. that's fine, but in the meantime, fani willis continues to move the piece along. >> we're out of, are you surprised nothing has happened as a result of what seemed to be a thinly veiled threat that she made in that. >> i don't think it was clear enough. >> you have to name and be very specific. >> katie, danny, thank you both. have a great weekend. that was fun. a member of maryland's board of elections has resigned after being arrested this week on charges he breached the capitol on january 6th. nbc's ryan reilly is following that story, the author of "sedition hunters how january 6th broke the justice system" so what exactly did this official

do during the riot, and how was he finally tracked down? >> the way the fbi got to him is with a companion that was with him that day. got some higuality videos. he was wearing stars and stripes hoodie and carrying a black flag. he only vaguely, i think, entered into the capitol building. here's certainly what happened. he had this flag. he puts it on the video. you can see he puts it through the door, the window there, sort of waves it around, so yeah, maybe his hand breaches the capitol. what happened a second later, the same flag is used against the door. the flag comes through the door. the officer rips off the flag itself and a few seconds later, you'll see the actual flag pole fly through. prosecutors were careful here, and obviously as well, we do not know definitively who threw that.

a few seconds earlier, poking through the capitol was the person who ended up on the maryland election board and was a nominee of republicans there. he's now resigned that position, and you know, says that this case obviously is going to now move down the line but he doesn't want it to be a distraction from the maryland election board's work. >> ryan reilly who stays on top of hundreds of cases for us. thank you so much. the country music star jelly roll is getting praised for bringing his voice to capitol hill. the singer gave emotional and passionate testimony urging lawmakers to pass antifentanyl legislation. the issue is one that hits close to home for the artist who has his own history with drugs. >> i am neither democrat nor republican, in fact, because of my past, my right to vote has been restricted. i have never paid attention to a political race in my life. ironically, i think that makes me the perfect person to speak about this because fentanyl

transcends partisanship and ideology, gentlemen and women, this is a totally different problem. the 190 people a day overdose and die every day in the united states of america, that is about a 737 plane. that's about a 737 aircraft can carry. could you imagine the national media attention it would get if they were reporting that a plane was crashing every single day and killing 190 people? but because it's 190 drug addicts, we don't feel that way. i also understand the paradox of my history as a drug dealer standing in front of this committee. but equally, i think that's what makes me perfect to talk about this. i was a part of the problem. i am here now standing as a man that wants to be a part of the solution. i brought my community down. i hurt people. i was the uneducated man in the kitchen playing chemist with drugs i knew nothing about. just like these drug dealers are doing right now when they're mixing every drug on the market with fentanyl, and they're

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presidential race, but already chris christie is being courted to join a third party ticket. three sources tell nbc news that before christie quit this week, the group no labels had been speaking with his donors and allies about the possibility he might join a bipartisan 2024 ticket. no labels is now on the ballot in 13 states, and actively working for access in 14 others, including in maryland, where they just announced they've got enough signatures to be added very soon there. nbc's vaughn hillyard is reporting for us from des moines, iowa. also with us, former republican congressman, carlos curbelo of florida, and msnbc political analyst. okay, vaughn, what more can you tell us about no labels pursuit of chris christie? >> reporter: right. chris christie sort of left the door open there in his concession speech there in which he said he was going to do everything he possibly could to make sure donald trump is not in the white house ten months from now. well, he clearly does not intend to vote for donald trump, didn't

say anything about joe biden, and that's where the view from no labels is that potentially chris christie could be open to joining what would be their bipartisan third party presidential ticket. and so for, you know, no labels, they have spent tens of millions of dollars to gain ballot access around the country for this possible third party ticket. in the scenario, it's joe biden versus donald trump. we have seen polling suggest that a great share of americans want a third option and i'm told that no labels views chris christie as a viable option because he is already well known across the country, h a record on d would be willing, he has a personality to take on dorump i want you to listen to joe lieberman talking about wain to begin the conversation with the former new york governor >> is chris christie no labels material? >> i think he might well be. we have people who are active in no labels who are close to and

have been supportive of governor christie in his presidential bid. so i want to tal to him. i know him. i like h. i just heard in the lead-in to your program, chris christie is refreshingly independent, and that's the kind of candidate no labels is looking for. >> reporter: now, right now there have been no loud voices saying that they want to be on this no labels ticket right now, and that is why this group is so actively trying to recruit candidates like chris christie to be viable options for that third party potential ticket. >> vaughn, thank you. okay, carlos. i want to play what actually vaughn just referenced. this is chris christie talking to voters in new hampshire announcing the suspension of his campaign. >> i want to promise you this. i am going to make sure that in

no way do i enable donald trump to ever be president of the united states again. and that's more important than my own personal ambition. >> so if his message is trump can't be president again, it's one thing for no labels to say chris christie is our kind of guy. is chris christie the kind of guy you see as being serious about running as a third party candidate? >> chris, i do think that chris christie, number one, is serious about blocking donald trump from returning to the presidency, so if he thinks that a third party candidacy could contribute to that effort, he will certainly pursue it. >> would it? do you believe it would, though, carlos? >> well, it depends. i mean, the polling's all over the place. you also have the robert f. kennedy factor out there, so it's very hard to predict exactly what would happen. at first people on the left were worried about a no labels ticket

because they thought joe manchin would be at the top of the ticket, and that could certainly hurt president biden, but if chris christie, a republican, is at the top of the ticket, i mean, we certainly see that in some of these states he has some significant support, including new hampshire, if christie gets 3, 4, 5% of republicans nationwide, that could really hurt donald trump in what would probably be another very close race between donald trump and joe biden. it's too early to tell. the other thing i was going to say is chris christie is very ambitious. i think in addition to wanting to block donald trump, he would really like to be president of the united states, so we certainly have to keep a close eye on him in the coming weeks and months. >> there's also fresh speculation over whether former maryland governor larry hogan could mount a run after resigning as cochair of no labels, what do you think of that? >> hogan is another good candidate for this cause. he's also committed to blocking donald trump by any means

possible, but he's a lesser known quantity than chris christie. chris christie is a big personality. he's been on the national stage for a long time now. larry hogan was the governor of maryland. he was successful there. has a good track record of working across the aisle, but he has lower name i.d. throughout the country, and raising name i.d., lifting name i.d. is very expensive. >> former congressman, carlos curbelo, have a great week. good to see you. that's going to do it for us this hour. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right after the break. time. (christina) but my old network wasn't cutting it. and that's not good for baking. or judging. or writing. so, we switched to verizon, the network businesses rely on. with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data. so, no matter what, i'm running this kitchen. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon.

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good to be with you, i'm katy tur. we are in a hold your breath moment. the u.s. working with the uk has now been drawn further into the conflict between hamas and israel. no longer just with funds but now with a u.s.-led air strike on houthi targets in yemen. after