there is no much news we cannot fit it all into one live show. i will be with you live this sunday night, which we call caucus eve, for this special, defendant/candidate trump. that is this sunday, 9:00 p.m. eastern. encourage you to check out everything this weekend because we have a lot going on. this will be a "beat" special, defendant/candidate trump this sunday, 9:00 p.m. eastern, or join me if you feel like getting that early jump. reports from iowa in the field as we gear up for the start of the campaign the following day, and more breakdowns of this rocky year ahead. keep it locked right now. "the reidout" is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> i know, i must be incredibly

racist if i just want someone who knows how to fly the damn plane, not someone who got in because they checked a couple boxes and maybe there's a big boy in the room to teach them how to do it in case something goes wrong. >> super genius, donald trump jr. with the republicans' latest racist talking points about how diversity, equity, and inclusion is going to get us all killed on airplanes. wait a minute, i thought the real danger was critical race theory. also tonight, the shocking audio recording of trump ally roger stone calling for the assassination of two prominent democrats. plus, my conversation with charlamagne tha god, on why the mainstream media is so obsessed with him, and why president biden is struggling with black voters. but we begin tonight three days before the iowa caucuses. now, in normal times, i would be telling you to keep a close eye on iowa and then new hampshire

because that is the usual like start to the election season. but these are not normal times. sorry, iowa. sorry new hampshire. because not only are those two states not only the starting gun for democrats who shifted them out for south carolina, the truth is, none of this normal political calendaring actually counts in either party this year the way it has in the past. on the democratic side, sure, there's a nominal challenger to the incumbent sitting president of the united states, joe biden, but is there really? and on the republican side, while there are technically five remaining republicans vying to be the party's presidential nominee, none of the ones not named trump are genuinely running against him. and none of them are going to beat him. the contest is pretty much set, right? for better or for worse, it will almost certainly be a biden/trump rematch on the november ballot. and if you are a republican voter, you should be warned that your likely nominee isn't super focused right now on iowa or new

hampshire either. he's focused on criminal and civil court. donald trump's principal purpose in life, his entire focus right now, is not becoming the leader of the free world or making america great again or whatever other bs he tells himaga fans at his rallies. it's staying out of prison. that is the purpose of his politics right now. that is the end goal. sorry if you thought it was making your lives better or safer or more prosperous. that is what he wants for himself, for sure. along with making sure he can sleep soundly at night without the fear of hearing the clank of a cell door closing behind him. by now, we know how trump reacts to adversity. former republican congresswoman liz cheney shared in her recent memoir how then speaker kevin mccarthy told her the reason he ran down to mar-a-lago for that secret rendezvous three weeks after trump left office is because trump was really depressed about losing the

election and was not eating. when the pandemic hit, he freaked out and lied about whether it was airborne and said the states were on their own and no one should wear a mask. and he let a million people die because he just literally couldn't handle the crisis. this is a man who simply cannot handle adversity. he's a spoiled kid who was never told no, and he just doesn't have the range. and so now that he has to face the legal consequences of his own criminal, venal actions including sneaking classified documents home and lying about the value of his properties and lying to his gullible supporters because he was too embarrassed to admit he lost the election, to sexual abuse and defamation and paying off a porn star. 92 counts worth. he has his sights focused on the courts. and how he can manipulate the legal system just like he's manipulated the electoral system so he can survive. becoming a dictator is his last long con. the only way he stays out of

prison and keeps from going broke. but lucky for trump, manipulating the legal system is something he has a lifetime of experience doing. as politico points out, he's mastered the ability to grind down the legal system to his advantage and now to his political advantage. quote, he has routinely turned what's obviously peril into what's actively fuel. effectively fuel. taki lg rosters of losses and willing them into somhing like wins. if not in a court of law, then in that of public opinion. it has worked and it continues to work. trump, after l, was at one of his weakest points politically until the first of his four arraignments last spring. ever since, his leg jeopardy and his politic viability have done little but go up together. deny, delay, and attack always ayhe victim, never stop undermining the system. he's not fighting the system. it seems sometimes so much as he's using it. he's fund-raising off it, he's

consolidating support because of it. joining me now is cornell belcher, democratic pollster and strategist and msnbc political an l. kimberly atkins stohr, boston globe columnist and cohost of the sisters in law podcast. and george conway, conservative attorney and contributing writer for the atlantic. thank you all for being here. so, i mean, the point being, cornell, that donald trump should be worried about going to jail. he is worried about going to jail. i think that's all he cares about, honestly. he doesn't have to were aabout the politics, trump has figured out outlets won't cover his campaign rallies but they will cover him being in court, so campaign rallies are out, court rants in. hogan gidley who works for trump, if donald trump were in iowa this week, he would suck all the oxygen out of the state and the race. but he has to go into court.

he still sucks all the oxygen out of the race. sorry, iowa and new hampshire, because all trump cares about is court. >> he's running a national campaign and running a national campaign from the courts. which is remarkable, but he's actually skipping iowa, new hampshire, and the first states because he's moved on to running a national campaign, and he's running it from the states and not losing a bit of support because of it. what's fascinating to me is when you watch focus groups and listen to trump supporters say he's being indicted for us. right? it is -- it's -- look, whether it be bush, obama, carter, clinton, his level of support is just different. there is something different about his level of support. it is not classically grounded in policy or even ideology because he's certainly not a conservative. so it is different, but he's actually running his campaign not from iowa and new hampshire but from the courts.

>> george, you are a conservative. let me turn to you on this. the reality is, you know, donald trump is not a politician. he's just a stand-in for people who are mad at the world, right. and he somehow managed to convince them that his personal legal peril, he stole those classified documents. he sexually abused e. jean carroll. he is the one who lied about the election and got people to commit crimes because they're stupid enough to do it. he did it, but he somehow managed to convince all of these millions of people that those are things that are their real problem. >> right, i mean, it's a cult. that's what it comes down to. the republican party has gone beyond the realm of reason. rheen, facts, none of that matters to the base of the republican party. it's just the giant fantasy where donald trump is competent and a good person, innocent, and picked upon by everybody else. >> god. >> godly, don't forget. >> if not god himself. >> absolutely. anything that contradicts that, no matter how factual it is, no

matter if it's an indictment, no matter if you hear it on tape, we just change the channel. >> can you get into the minds? what do they get? >> i think it's some kind of narcicisstic desire to be something other than what people are. people feel -- they feel put upon because they feel inadequate. here makes them feel like he's part of something bigger. and he sucks them all in, and then when somebody challenges that, they get very, very defensive. because deep down, part of them really knows that they have been fooled and they're being conned, and they can't admit that, which makes them dig even deeper and turn out facts and reality even more. and that's the stage we have reached where a large section of the republican base. >> kimberly, at the same time, you have judges who are trying -- and lawyers and people in the system, trying to maintain a dignified judicial

system with donald trump throwing bombs into it at the same time. so this is a letter from e. jean carroll's lawyer. she's already beat him on whether or naupt he defamed her and sexually abused her. he went back in for more and she's coming back in for more. this is the letter warning the judge about trump. there are any number of reasons why mr. trump might perceive a personal or political benefit from intentionally turning this trial into a circus. if mr. trump appears at this trial, whether as a witness or otherwise, his recent statements and behavior strongly suggest he will seek to sow chaos. he may receive a benefit in seeking to poison these providings. this court should make clear mr. trump is forbidden from engaging in such antics. he can go in and abuse this judge because this is all that matters to him. >> it's all about polarization and grievance for donald trump. and he has not been held accountable for anything that he has done up until this point, so now, he's fighting the

institutions that are trying to hold him accountable. the courts, that's just the very electoral process itself, people in congress who speak out against him, all of those institutions. so now, to follow him in the way you're talking about, you also have to be against these institutions. but what i'm really afraid of is that it goes beyond trump's core that you were talking about. there are people who are republicans who say they don't want to vote for trump, who say they think all of these trials are nonsense, that they're politically motivated. >> they're just trying to take him out. >> i'm worried there might be independents that feel that way too. he's flooding the zone so much with nonsense and misinformation that it's very difficult for people, if you're not an attorney and you're not following everything very closely, to understand what's going on and that can seem appealing to people. and if the election is close, that's all it's going to need in order for him to be successful. >> to what extent is that happening? >> a great deal. what you're seeing in the data

now is, campaigns now are different from a decade ago or two decades ago. it's harder to break through. harder to break through because of all the noise in social media, and what you're finding is i know you're going to talk about african american voters later, but what you're finding is african american voters are tuning out washington because it's all dysfunctional, it's not working. by the way, republicans are doing that on purpose. they tune out washington. then how do you reach them? there's thousands of ways to try to reach them through social media, and it's really difficult. it's really difficult to breakt. one last quick point on what trump also is showing is there is two different justice systems in america. >> for sure. >> you look at what's happening, joy, and it's hard to imagine that barack obama's black butt wouldn't be in jail by now. under the jail if this was going. i think also we have to be clear about this. he's manipulating the system and also manipulating a system that is a double standard. >> he's done it all his life.

this is a guy whose dad didn't pay taxes, he doesn't pay taxes. he breaks the rules and gets away with it. he's like a spoiled kid. he's never been told no. he doesn't understand i lost an election. he's upended the entirety of american politics because he felt embarrassed. that's literally why we're here now. let me play chris sununu. he was supposed to be one of the normal republicans. this is how committed republicans are to him even if he is a convicted felon. here's sununu. >> even if he's a convicted felon, if he is the republican nominee, does that mean you're still going to vote for him. >> look, right now, most of america looks like they would vote for him because he's winning, he's -- biden is so bad that trump is actually beating biden in most polls. >> but what about you, governor? >> most of america is right there. >> yeah, i'm going to support the republican nominee, absolutely. yeah, that shouldn't shock anybody. >> that smile is just the

evaporation of one's dignity as one's soul goes into the ether. >> this man spoke at the gridiron dinner 12 or 18 months ago, and he made jokes about donald trump's mental state. he said about donald trump, he said i don't think he's so crazy that you could get him committed into a mental institution, but if he were there, i don't think he would get out. and everybody laughed because it's true. he knows all these people know. >> they all know. >> that donald trump is a narcicisstic psychopath and that he is deranged and he is not fit. you wouldn't trust him to run an ice cream stand. >> right. >> but chris sununu wants to preserve his viability in the republican party. only a few people have decided the game isn't worth the candle. >> the reality is a lot of these people are lawyers. they know he did it. he just lost again. what does he have the pay "the new york times," nearly $400,000 legal costs. he keeps losing actually the

actual court cases. and so they know that he's a loser politically. they know he's losing in court. he's already lost the civil liability case in new york. he's lost the case. and yet, you're seeing attorneys be clowned themselves and pretend he's an innocent man. >> or even his own attorney in court who essentially made the argument that he can assassinate his political rivals but can't be held accountable. that's where we are at this point. i mean, i think if i as a litigator made that argument, i could expect to be sanctioned or something. it's that crazy. but that's where we are now. that is his closing argument in winning, trying to win the presidency and the people supporting him are going right along with it. >> this distinguished panel is sticking with us because we're going to discuss the bombshell release of an audio recording of one roger stone discussing the assassination of democratic members of congress.

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late today, mediaite released stunning and disturbing new audio of trump associate roger stone discussing the saination of democratic congressman eric swalwell and jerry nadler.

with an nypd cop, weeks before the 2020 election. >> go find swalwell and get this over with. it's time to do it. then we'll see how brave the rest of them are. either swalwell or nadler has to die before the election. they need to get the message. i'm just not putting up with this anymore. >> i will note nbc news has not obtained the audio ourselves. and mediaite notes that the audio has been lightly edited to protect their source, who requested anonymity out of fear of repercussions from stone. stone denied making the comments and told mediaite it was total nonsense, i never said anything of the kind. more a.i. manipulation. back with me are cornell belcher, kimberly atkins stohr, and george conway. we're at the political assassinations game of this

hideous video game we're trapped in, and i can't believe i have talked about political assassination twice in a week. >> that is part of the case to be made against donald trump. we say okay, democracy held in the first trump administration. it was in part because there were at least some guardrails in place. there were lines that even bill barr wouldn't cross, right? now he's totally surrounded by people like roger stone. people who will not be a guardrail. people like his attorneys. and that is what is so incredibly dangerous about this. another term is not just him hypothesizing about shooting someone on fifth avenue. everyone is like, he's joking. no, another term is him full of grievance. he said what he wants to do. he wants to purge the federal government of anybody except those who are loyal to him. he wants to use, weaponize the doj. we know what he wants to do, because whatever he accuses biden of doing is what he wants to do. the vision of what the united

states will be under a second trump term with no guardrails and frightening and that's the number one case democrats need to make. >> let's not forget mark esper did say he wanted him to shoot people at protests. let's talk about roger stone for a moment. roger stone is the guy who in the summer of 2020 looked at the polls, saw that his guy was losing, that donald trump was losing, and said you know what we're going to do. we're just going to declare victory and say we won anyway. this is the guy in on the idea beforehand that they were going to lie because they were going to lose. how you have him talking with a cop, a former cop, about killing two democratic representatives. will there be any fallout from that? >> well, i don't know. i don't know what you can do to roger stone. if he's just talking about it, i don't know that it suffices for a conspiracy. you need an agreement to put somebody in jail. but it just goes to show, if this is real, i mean, the fact we can even think it's real tells you a lot about the people who surround donald trump. donald trump himself is a man

without any moral compass. he's a man without conscience, a man without remorse, a man without empathy. and the only thing he cares about is himself. and he surrounded himself with people, an increasing number of people who also lack moral compasses. and that's the point that you're very much absolutely right making. and this is the reason why it's going to be much, much worse. and so dangerous to the republic. this is a man who has already talked about suspending the constitution. a man who tried to stop the peaceful transition of power. a man who would stop at nothing to wreak revenge on his perceived enemies. the only criteria is can i get away with it. >> it is the long con. being president was a great money maker for him, for his businesses some of which were failing otherwise. it's a way for him to stay out of prison because he'll just cancel all the cases again him, throw everyone he doesn't like

in jail. again, we this week were talking about his lawyer going into a federal court and saying that donald trump, the president of the united states, a president, i guess he doesn't think joe biden should be able to, should be able to assassinate their political opponents. now you have his buddy allegedly saying he wants to assassinate members of congress, and his former defense secretary said he wanted him to shoot people, and he wouldn't do it. >> it's thuggery. but here's -- here's what i want to say in a political context of it all. go back to 2004. and when i was doing polling for the dnc. one of the things that was a bedrock of republican party and something that helped them win the suburbs and especially moderate middle america was the idea they were a party of strong values. they were a party of strong morals and values. and even if democrats had advantage on education and issues of health care, the

central value that middle americans clung to was the idea of strong values and george bush was a good man, a man of values. he goes to church, loves husband wife. those things. i find it hard to believe, and it's not the one thing, it's as the old folks would say, it's a tide of these things that i think if you put this case before moderate middle america, and i still do have faith in democracy, i still have faith in the majority of american people. if you put this to that suburban mom in wisconsin, that suburban mom outside of atlanta, and look at this and she's going to say, these are not good people. these are not the values i want to instill in my children and my family. and i think that bedrock of voters are going to continue to slowly move toward biden and the democrats because the republicans have lost it. >> the thing is, we were going to talk a lot about bill ackman today. we didn't get into him as much. this is the whiny big time

harvard donor who's apparently now really mad because claudine gay wouldn't call him back and do what he told her to do and take his advice. he's angry because he tried to take her down for plagiarism and then his wife was plagiarizing wikipedia. he denies it, but it is a sort of party, that ethos of rich and whiny, rich and entitled, rich and aggrieved saying i have the money but i don't have the respect i'm due. and i think republicans believe that regular people will relate to the rich whiny people who are mad because a black person got a job. >> well, they're treating democracy like a zero sum game or the american dream as a zero sum game. that's part of trumpism. that's a core part of trumpism. they're getting this and they're taking it away from you. the immigrants are coming here and taking away your safety, your jobs. black people are getting jobs they don't deserve that you ought to -- and this is what you rail against. even during obamacare, people

even who would benefit from getting obamacare opposed it because they didn't want people who weren't them to get this care. it's fueling this idea that, you know, we have experienced that. i remember after jason blair, the journalist who plagiarized all of my work, got extra scrutinized. people asked why i got a job and somebody else didn't. this is what they want, they want to fuel that grievance in order to get ahead. it doesn't matter there are millionaires and billionaires are the ones who are so aggrieved in trying to get other people -- >> and are the ones perverting the system to lead us back where we started. they don't go to jail when they commit crimes. they're the ones who buy their way out of trouble and regular people cannot. it's so odd they would relate to them and not regular folks. our panelists will be back in a little bit because they're going to tell us who won the week. >> but first, a multinational coalition strikes houthi targets

in yemen, but questions remain like, why was this necessary, and what did it accomplish. we'll be right back.

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ever since the war in gaza began, the middle east has been a tinder box, for weeks tensions in the region have been bui stokes fears of a wider conflict. we have seen the lebanese based hezbollah exchange fire with israel, with whom it's had a long military conflict since

effectively ending israel's 18-year occupation of part of that country in the year 2000. while the houthis, another shiite iran backed militant group which controls parts of yemen following a long and bloody civil war, have carried out more than two dozen attacks on commercial ships in the red sea. which they claim they're doing to punish israel's western lies in protest of israel's military operation in gaza. yesterday, we saw a dramatic escalation, as the u.s. and the uk launched military strikes against houthi rebels in yemen, in response to that red sea blockade. now, the houthis are vowing to retaliate. a lot of americans have probably never heard of these groups. they just sound like a bunch of entities whose names start with h, but if our government is going to drop bombs on folks, maybe we as citizens should understand why, why are they exactly, and why do they have an issue with us? here to help answer these questions is brian, senior vice

president of policy at the middle east institute. who are the houthis? >> a group that basically sprung up in the 1990s in opposition to the former president, and they were part of a political process in the early 2010s, but they have a lot of arms and they did the sort of thing if you remember january 6th over here, they took over in 2015, and for almost the past decade or so, they took over key parts of yemen but there's been this complicated civil war, multiple civil wars there, but they're pretty extremist. i met some of their leaders before, and they're not the kind of people you don't want to have a beer with. not because they don't drink alcohol. they have the slogan, death to america, death to israel. curse to the jews. they really have this anti-imperial, anti-western, also in the middle east, and i go to the middle east quite a lot for my job. they're against sort of the sense of stability in the region. that's why they're attacking a lot of these ships that are going through the red sea. and basically, the red sea has been shut down for commercial shipping. that's going to lead to knock-on

effects, inflation back here and other places, if it continues. we're hitting them in part because they posed a threat, not just to their own people, we can talk about that, but also to the region as well. >> i don't knowf we can put up a map. basically, yemen is at the bottom of saudi arabia. right below saudi arabia. and they don't particularly like the saudis too much, either, because the saudis supported their opposition in the civil war. >> in part, the saudis also were target by missiles and drones from the houthis. now, what's interesting is two, three years ago when president biden came into office, the saudis weren't happy that president biden delisted the houthis as a terrorist organization. now the saudis have a piece process going on with them, and they're not part of this coalition, which was interesting. the united states and britain that dropped these bombs last night. about 150 bomb on 30 different sites across yemen. but nominally, the saudis and t middle east aren't part of this because they're trying to keep things sort of quiet on their peace process. >> at one point, there was this

peace process that was supposed to involve the saudis, but now i noticed the other day, saudi arabia signed on in a sense with south africa's genocide claims. they're taking that side. and it is interesting that it was an african nation that launched it, south africa, the saudis and turks are with them, and of course, it's germany, canada, the united states, et cetera, that are with israel. what have you made of this trial that is taking place right now? >> it's both important but also kind of a side show. i used to live in the west bank in gaza strip, and it's important because it's put front and center the plight of innocent palestinian civilians. but it's kind of a side show because i don't think it's going to produce results that actually end the conflict. we all want to see a cease-fire or an end to the conflict. but these sorts of things as we have seen when claims were made against russia on ukraine, they don't produce an end to the conflict. i think it's important for people to debate these things.

it's a bit academic, me as someone who looks at what will give practical results on the ground. the only thing that will do that is measures that improve the security of both palestinians and israelis and this effort won't produce the trust and confident. >> let me test this against your extreme knowledge. the thing i have sort of noticed in reading, particularly african media, et cetera, what's happened between the houthis, in some sense hezbollah a little bit but more the houthis what they're doing in the blockade and what south africa is doing at the international criminal court is sort of causing the global south to look at them as the people who are authentically standing for palestinians and they are looking at the west in much more sort of you're not with us. you're an enemy kind of terms. there's a sliding away from the west and looking more toward these mittitant groups that feel like they're standing up forpline. >> i would add to that list

countries like china. china at the u.n. and this forum, i wouldn't be surprised when you look at the propaganda and the news that china is backing anti-semitic propaganda and russia as well. it's part of this complicated new geopolitics. oftentimes when we see things like this, people with good faith views they think they want to protect civilians in gaza, but sometimes there are other forces that are trying to undercut american or european or israel's view, and it's a clash of different ideologies and quite often some of those clashes are being conducted by those who are behind the scenes like china. >> very interesting, the bigger picture is something people lose sight of. coming up, i spoke with leonard mckelby, charlamagne tha god about rebuilding the diverse coalition of voters that helped biden win the 2020 election. and their insightful new podcast. that fascinating conversation is next.

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a democratic party is a diverse coalition of voters with large part of that coalition being black voters. if president biden wants to win re-election, he has to make sure that every member of that coalition feels motivated to get out and vote. and right now, ten months out from november, there's a lot of talk about how fragile the biden base seems to be. charlamagne tha god is the host of the popular morning show, the

breakfast club. his popularity with the yingens has put him in a unique position to impact the world of politics. he's praised and criticized both donald trump and president biden. and his sometimes contrarian views have brought him significant media attention, including this recent profile in politico which talked to him about the frustration some african american voters, mainly black men, are expressing about the biden administration. biden's deputy campaign manager who ran senator raphael warnock's second senatorial campaign recently addressed those concerns. >> i know that it's not possible for a democrat to be elected president of the united states without winning the african american vote. and therefore, our focus is going to be on making sure we have those voters, that they know we want to continue to earn their continued support or work to earn their continued support. so that's where our focus is. we have gut out of the gate swinging. the other notion i don't like when it comes to the african american community is its black

men versus black women and i'm not going to let that take hold in this campaign. >> charlamagne's new adventure with angela rye is aiming to get voice to the rising majority in america, which is who biden needs to listen to if he wants to win. their new podcast launched this week on i heart podcasts and reasoned choice media which was cofounded by charlamagne and angela is the cohost. i recently spoke to both of them and began by asking why the mainstream media and particularly fox seems to be so obsessed with him these days. >> i know what they're doing. they're using me and the things i say about president biden and the administration to say, see, look, black people are totally, you know, fed up with biden and his administration. i don't speak for all black people. black people are not monolithic. i speak for me and my perspective. >> tell me the demo of your

audience. who are they? >> it varies. i'm 45 years old now. we have been number one 18 to 34 the last few months. but we have also been number two, 25 to 54. i think my audience is a diverse group of people. black, white, brown, like i don't think it's just the youth, like some people may think. >> angela, there is this whole conversation, are black people pulling away from the democratic party. ages 18 to 34 overall, biden not doing so well. he's in the low 40s. trump at 46. black voters. it's still 69/20. i'm not sure these numbers are accurate this far oum fraught an election. women voters of color, you can see the numbers there, two-thirds pretty much still support democrats. kamala harris more popular obviously with black voters than he is with voters overall. do you as a political strategist, you have been in this business, been in the political game. are these numbers meaningful or is there a genuine problem

democrats have with black voters. >> you know this too because you have also been not just in the business but the business of serving the culture for so long. i have been in meeting after meeting, both on the hill and off the hill, with the party about their failure to reach their base. their most faithful base. for years. this is not new information. i don't know why we're surprised. i don't know why folks, they say i'm not holding them accountable on segments with them. lunard is not saying anything different than what i have heard members including past chairs of the congressional black caucus saying to the party. you're not investing enough in our community. find the lie. jaime harrison will tell you that is indeed the case. they're working on it to change it. why are we upset when people are pointing out the facts. the facts are enough black consultants aren't hired. tell me five black pollsters you have. you can't. tell me the black candidates you have. jow been forced to insure that bench is growing by the

congressional black clockts. you tell me the number of consultants you hired. tell me with a straight face that white boys don't run the democratic party. now, that does not mean that we should go and support a fascist. i don't think either of us are saying that. >> that's what mainstream media reports me saying. i may talk about joe biden and his shortcomings but i also say donald trump is the end of democracy as we know it. we have seen it. he attempted a coup of this country. overturned the vote, so it's like, we can see -- >> and the vote of people who look like us. the question, though, i think, andio do radio, and i miss radio because you get to talk to actual people and callers when people are calling you, specifically black people, what are they saying they feel they have not gotten out of having voted consistently for democrats and joe biden. >> upward mobility. people want security, and a lot of that security is financial. it's simple and plain. and it's been whether it was

president obama, whether it was all the way back to clinton to now joe biden, they feel like the democratic party has never promised it. right now, the problem i'm having with my listeners, what am i supposed to tell them other than, look, man, donald trump is a fascist. you may think things can't get worse, but they positively can. if they feel like, i have already lived through a trump presidency, i lived through reagan. how much worse can that get? what do i tell them. they're not afraid of telling them to vote because of fear gm. >> we all watched what happened that's the base that's going to vote for him, right? >> that's the basic got him the 2020 election. yeah, so when you're thinking about things like we both talked about the sexy red thing, off line. people are like, i got a steamy with donald trump's name on it. i know i've got it. when biden sent me has to be, i don't remember. it on gaza, it's a complicated thing. black folks see those

palestinians and they see themselves. so with all of these issues, do you feel that the administration, do they seem to understand that they do have a problem? particularly with young black voters on economics, on gaza. >> i think this is a complicated issue. the reason for that is you know, just as well as i, do i have friends who work in this administration. we have some friends who have been there fighting tooth and nail to ensure the administration doesn't just see it, but addresses it. the problem that we have, part of what lenard is addressing is when a foreign country needs aid, the united states acts promptly. they will figure out a way to answer the call, even without an act of congress. when it comes time for black people to needed, even in reparations discussion, wait, reparations? who? what? where? why? that's really the problem. we have a people who are dying, literally, to feel hard. to feel embraced, to feel supported, to feel sacrificed for as much as we've chakra fights at the ballot. even through voter suppression, even for a pandemic. through all of that.

that's the fate. so just made us halfway, i think is the real thing. >> really quick before we go. can i play a clip? play the clip. play the clip. >> it's nice to have a space, a safe space, as you talked about in the of, where we can speak truthfully. and i think this is a podcast for everyone, if you have intellectual curiosity about your fellow countrymen who don't look like you. this is a place where you can come and hear that. >> very quickly, that name in that voice should sound familiar. tiffany cross. >> tiffany cross! >> very quickly, tell us about native land pod. >> native land pod is a -- native land pot, first episode drops today. people are loving it. it's me, andrew gillum, and tiffany cross. >> my longtime business partners. joy, you are something else. >> i'm gonna support my friends that i love. i'm so excited about native land pod.

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our favorite game. oh yes, who won the week? back with me are cornell belcher, kimberly atkins stohr, and george conway. where to go? where to go? where to go? i'm going to go to my. right cornell, who won the week? >> hunter biden won the league. >> pardon? >> he went into the lion's den. house of republicans has been calling him out, calling him out, so he called out their bs and showed up at their committee hearing. you know what happened? they lost their minds. they were not prepared for him to show up. and actually sit there and be ready to take their questions, because they don't want an open, fair conversation with hunter biden. he won the week when he showed up. >> that's fair. that's a good answer. that's a quality answer. kimberly, how do you beat that? who want to wake? >> very relatedly, i think the gentlelady from texas congresswoman jasmine crockett won the week. when she, during that hearing, school is not only republicans about what right privileges and is not, and gave a

constitutional lesson that any law school would have been proud. that was a better lesson than i got when i went to law school in kamala class. she really delivered. she won the week for me. >> absolutely. that's a good answer. and related. i like that there's a theme. i don't know if you're gonna stick with the theme, george. >> another lawyer, another female lawyer. yes. judge florence panicky, of the united states court of appeals for the district of columbia's circuit, who basically took part trump's lawyer, and mercilessly destroyed his argument. i'm proud to say that i met her, i first met her 30 years ago, i was a sound by my law firm to recruit her and for the good of the republic, i failed. i was a miserable failure, and we are all better off for it. >> all better off for it. >> the d.c. supreme court judge, now she's on the u.s. court of appeals. >> and she won the week. >> she won the week, absolutely. >> my answer for who won the week is actually a little bit of a troll. there's a certain billionaire who is extremely angry that claudine gay exists. her scholarship is on firsts.

so the ghost of claudine gay's presidency at harvard and firsts when the week. let me name se of them. st. paul made history with the first all-male city council, a rarity among large u.s. cities. don scott becomes the first blk speaker in virginia legislature's 400 year history. lily gladstone makes golden globes history as the first indigenous actress to win a statue for herself. there she is. first when the week, sorry billionaires, dei is here to stay. we love diversity, equity, inclusion, and first and first won the week. cornell belcher, kimberly atkins stohr, and george conway. think you will. you all won the week just by being here in a fabulous color scheme. that's tonight's read out. i all in with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on all in. -- >> hello, iowa. >> three days until the first republican votes in 2024, and the coldest forecast in caucus history. >>