welcome back to that weekend. that's a 2024 campaign season ramps up, so have the breadth of political violence. just hours before donald trump

appeared in court on thursday for the closing arguments in the civil fraud case against him, police responded to a bomb threat at the home of judge arthur engoron, who is presiding over the case. it is the latest instance in a surge of violent threats and intimidation tactics against the former presidents perceived enemies. threats that undermined that law and order that donald trump claims to cherish. judge tanya chutkan to, was overseeing the election interference case against donald trump, as well as special counsel jack smith, the prosecutor in that case, were both targeted and swatting incidents over the last three weeks. similar incidents occurred against the maine secretary of state, whose office address, donald trump posted on his website after he was removed from the 2024 primary ballot in the state. against the colorado supreme court, which ruled trump ineligible for his states presidential ballot last month. these acts are not just a threat to the individuals they target, they are a threat to

democracy itself. take a look at this january six antidote for 2021 profile of then representative peter meijer, whwaousted from congress after voting to impeach trump. meyer approached remember who appeared on the rgof a breakdown. he asked his new colleague if he was okay the member responded he was not, that no maer his belief in legitimacy of the election, he could no longer vote to certify the results, because he feared for his family's safety. it is that fear, folks, and in some instances, it's getting republicans to fall in line behind trump. there are countless factors that elected officials must wrestle with the forecasting a vote. but the threat of violence, i don't think it should ever be one of them. i mean, well. >> the reality is, it's on us. it's on us. >> who is? us >> we the people, u.s., us. as we are tolerating this, we are not holding these legislators and this former president and his ilk

responsible for what is happening right now. >> i think the republican -- i think the republican party apparatus is not holding people responsible, because i know a lot of people who are very, very disturbed and upset, and who are scared. the election poll workers. think about ruby freeman and shaye moss, who literally cannot go home. so many people have, people literally have been begging for accountability, and frankly, if it wasn't for the january six committee, we probably wouldn't even be seeing all of donald trump and his accountability. >> that's exactly the point. so, to that end, i want to put up, if we could, the polling that's showing that 85% of americans are concerned about this. so, we see, to your point, that energy kind of generating itself out there, we're very concerned or somewhat concerned about what's happening. but now, the question becomes, i think, is this thing ramps up, we're going to see this from this president, former

president. he's already laying out, when a man tells you he wants to be somebody's retribution, and he wants to be a dictator, the natural thing that flows from that if he doesn't get his way, if he doesn't like the outcome or the result of things, is going to be violence. so, the question is, how do we as citizens cowherd ourselves against that? how do we protect each other from that? because it's on us, ultimately. we can't sit back and that markup folks around the street because they matter us. this is not how this gets to play out, in my view. >> i think simone's point you made in the intro in as much as there is the threat of violence itself, there is the threat, then, that that does to our democracy. and the way that that gets in the way of governance. so, thinking, for example, something we learned this week that about the third of jack smith's budget is going to security! because of a number of threats. those are taxpayer dollars. you can't talk about wanting to

be a fiscal conservative. you can't say you are holding up a spending bill because you are worried about the deficits, and then continue to pour gasoline on a fire that is not only inherently dangerous, but is expensive! you are spending government resources on a problem that you have created. >> so mr. sherman, can i ask, you then? what do people who are still republicans, who don't really like donald trump's vitriol or not, in private, they say all the things we, our friends say in private. but in public, they still support him. what is it going to take for those folks to band together with the 85% and say, we are not going to stand for this? >> you know, simone, that such a good question. i think i would love to hear more of those voices come out and stand on street corners and capital steps, in neighborhoods, and really speak to that. when swatting occurs, speak out

against it. when you know, judges are attacked verbally or otherwise, speak out against it. this idea of, look at the politics of not wanting to you know, engage politically around some crazy stuff that comes out of trump's mouth about the economy or bidenomics or whatever. but this is personal. this is peoples lives. these are families and communities that are impacted. the fact of this man, this former president, stands and jokes about the attack on mr. pelosi, the former speaker's husband, with a hammer, and makes fun of that and people are standing there applauding it like, oh. we, as citizens, have to say no, that's not who we are! because you know what, folks? your family's next! your community is next! because you can't that smell, is that not just the water edge of politics. it spills over! it becomes every other thing. you know, you are standing in

the grocery store and you just happen to say, you know, i think donald trump is crazy, someone throws a canopy in that your head, what are you going to do then? who do you blame for that? >> there was a recent house judiciary markup meeting, and democratic congresswoman beckett balance of vermont, she spoke out against threats that right-wing conspiracy theories have brought to the doorsteps of every american. listen. >> witnesses have described threats to their families and to their children. they've described threatening letters sent their families and having to move houses because their addresses are posted online. many of the 90 interviews that the committee has conducted this congress have been with ordinary americans, regular people, who are just trying to do their jobs. this committee appears to be more interested in advancing conspiracy theories then in doing our jobs. serving the people we represent. those regular people.

>> joining us now is democratic maryland's governor wes moore. he's also a member of the biden harris campaign's national advisory board, and he is in person today. welcome, governor. >> thank you so much. >> i hope you had a chance to get some of our conversation. how concerned are you about the threats of political violence as we enter a very consequential election year? >> i'm very concerned. i'm concerned because already, i'm spending far too much time during my week meeting with our intelligence officials, meeting with our law enforcement, meeting with the fbi. watching how this rise of political threats continues to hit our state in a very real way. and i'm concerned when i'm looking at, and that putting more and more resources you, know, we just put over 1 million dollars going towards homes of worship. that homes of worship can be hard, and so when people can go to worship their god, they can feel safe. and so, i think we have to make sure we're focusing on turning down the temperature. we have to make sure we're

focusing on having a community that sees each other and can be more connected, and i think we need to harden our laws. we are introducing legislation, personally in, this legislative session, to focus on the protection of election workers, because as dr. king said, laws don't change the hearts. but laws to protect you from the heartless. >> i'd like to welcome everybody to the marilyn's corner. [laughter] but maryland pocket, this is how we roll. good morning. governor, so, going beyond, you are saying you have to put money on the ground to harden, you know, and protect resources in our community, like our churches. i wanted to sort of step back from the sort of practical application of that. this is what i put in my budget. i'm having this briefing or the briefing on these things. talk a little bit about the human element.

what is it about all of us now that we seem to lose sight of each other's humanity, and the easier thing to do is to lash out? i mean, you are a democrat, i'm a republican, so not supposed to like you organically, right? well, no. there's this guy i know for a long time, we work together, we have sparred and disagreed on things. but i'm not shortchanging your humanity. what do you see happening, culturally, that our politics is driving in a way that makes us look at each other as less than? >> i think we have a political system that's driving people from even having the opportunity to get to know each other. to get to be able to see their own humanity, right? where you know, i think about it where my training came from the military. i join the military when i was 17 years old. i wasn't old enough to sign the paperwork. my mom had to sign the paperwork for me. but she was more than happy. she was like, whatever y'all need. but i think about where when i was leading soldiers, you know

the question i never once asked my soldiers? what's your political party? it never got brought up. i think about you know, first session, making maryland the first day in this country that has a service year option for all of our high school graduates, where they now have a chance to have a year of service to the state of maryland. part of this because we are big believers in experiential learning. we believe in aren't financial cushions. we believe in the workforce development, workforce training, but you know a big reason why we wanted to get that done and get it done quick? because i believe deeply that service will save us. that in this time, in this political divisiveness and vitriol, that if we can be a society that gets to know each other again, and that can work on projects together, that can break down these lines and stop worrying about this idea of where the idea came from that is it a good idea, then, we are going to be a society that actually advances in a true improper way, and will not honors our basic humanity and our basic decency. >> you talked about houses of

worship. it's also seen state capitals across this country receive bomb threats, just in the past week. six state capitals, you had wednesday morning, you had georgia, kentucky, michigan, mississippi, montana, maine. that's actually going back to january 3rd. tucked out the conversation you had with your intelligence officers. that's, in some ways, i think you can argue that it's the easier conversation to have in the conversation you need to have of their own kids. my kids are younger than yours. there is no way to have that conversation with them in a way that is age-appropriate. your kids have access to the internet. they know what is going on. what are the conversations your having at home? how do you put this in context for them? >> it's remarkably difficult. and i think not even just for my kids, who for the process of the past year, have had to go through this remarkable transition of now having you know, having a father in elected office. but just for them in general. with them with their friends. to see the images that are

coming across social media and social media streams and how damaging that can be for their basic development. and how you know, development is already challenging. puberty is already challenging. now, you have to deal with this increased iso's. i think one of the big things of even having the conversations with our kids about is it is about this idea of exposure, but it's not exposure to the internet or exposure to social media. it's human exposure. because the more they can be exposed to other people, the more that can be exposed to other cultures, other backgrounds, people from different walks of life, the more they will have a better embrace of a larger and a greater humanity. and the more i think they will see themselves as part of a solution sets, and not necessarily as the prey. they understand the challenges coming their way. we're helping them to appreciate the challenge coming their way. we want them to be empowered, to know they have a chance to be part of a bigger solution. and that's also where i think we try to drive a lot of our

conversations. >> a more complicated question than moving from baltimore. >> [laughter] you know, every time, every single time we truly have a conversation with a local or a state leader, a governor, or a mayor, it's just so different than speaking to a member of congress. [laughter] it really is! >> it is. >> like, okay! but congress thing will be figuring it out, not gonna happen [laughter] -- is that how you feel sometimes? that you have seen state leadership and local leaders across the country be able to come together, in a bipartisan way, and necessarily get things done, i think it's a split screen from what we're seeing on capitol hill. >> you know, it's funny. i remember someone said to me like, what made you want to run for getting into politics? i said i didn't. i wanted to be the governor, because it is different, right? i mean, i think about in our first legislative session, we introduced ten bills. and we ended up going not just

going ten for ten on our legislative package. we went ten for ten bipartisan. with both democrat and republican support! and people said well, how were you able to get you know, republicans to vote yes on increasing a minimum wage to $15? which we were able to do. how did you get republicans to vote yes on being able to have an earned income tax credit and the child tax credit, making a permanent, and having the most aggressive assault on child poverty in our state's history? how did you focus on getting the service year option, getting the largest tax cut to military veterans in a generation in the state of metro and? the answer was simple. we actually went and had conversations with them. we went to their communities. you know, and michael rose is the lieutenant governor. when you go out and you actually go out to communities, even communities you think historically might not have voted for you in the first place, you let them, know i'm planning on being your government, it's amazing the kind of response that not just that will get, but that they will force their representatives to give your

package a bill. >> it makes a difference. >> i will note, maryland has a very short legislative session. it's like, 90 days, you gotta pack it in! >> don't worry. >> we're gonna talk a little bit more about that, because governor more is sticking around, after the break. we're going to discuss how democrats should make their case to voters in 2024 and a new poll has reinforced one of president biden's top priorities. you are watching the weekend. weekend ♪ i wanna hold you forever ♪ hey little bear bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm gonna love you forever ♪ ♪ ♪ c'mon, bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ you don't...you don't have to worry... ♪ ♪ be by your side... i'll be there... ♪ ♪ with my arms wrapped around... ♪

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america's going to decide whether they want president biden to serve another term. so, what's the issue resonating with most voters? according to usa today, it is not the economy. yet the latest poll conducted with suffolk university in boston globe found more than a quarter of likely new hampshire voters ranked democracy as their top concern. and as we know, threats to democracy have taken center stage and biden's 2024 petition to voters. but is that enough to carry him and the democratic party to victory in november? governor westmore is back with us. governor, symone often righteous the biden coalition, the group of voters that were necessary for joe biden to rise to victory, it was unique. it wasn't the obama coalition. it was a coalition unique to joe biden. which part of that coalition are you most concerned about returning to the table in november? >> i think we're going to need all of them. you know, i think this is going to be the kind of election we're not going to be able to pick and choose who we focus on. when people say well, what's the demo?

what's the? group >> all of the above. >> i can give you one word. everybody. that's who we got to make the arguments for. that's who we need as part of the coalition. >> given that the most complex part of that is going to be republicans, moderate republicans, republicans who are with donald trump, what argument do you make them? >> i think the basic fabric of this country is very much at a crossroads. we have two people who are running for president who are very different interpretations of what freedom is. right? we have a president who has devoted his life to this country. who has a son who, like myself, was a combat veteran, a person who devoted his life to public service. a person who believes in the freedom of women to be able to make their own bodily choices, a person believed in the freedom for people to be able to walk in their neighborhoods and feel safe walking to homes of worship, and feel safe, and to have another person who is running for president who, his definition of freedom is very personal. it's his own, because that's

what he's going to spend the next 11 months talking about. his own freedom. >> here's where i disagree with my friend, alicia. i don't think the most complex part of this coalition is republicans. the most complex component for democrats, are democrats. your problem is, with republicans, is it with republicans, your own democrats are saying biden's two old, oh my god, what do we do? i mean, you've got to shore that up before you go out and pitch to the country that this is the way forward. because the rest of the country is looking at it like well, half the folks in the back room don't want him. so, last poll i saw, he was either tied or losing to trump. so, that's not just republicans. let's be, in my view, real about what the challenge is here. you've got to take your home first, right? how do democrats come to the understanding and the realization that there is no

alternative except trump? >> and joe biden's not gonna get any younger. >> right, exactly. exactly. >> i think that's fair. i think the idea of taking care of home, we also need to be able to articulate the story that what do we think that the biden harris administration is doing? i think biden people say, well were popular amongst his core demo, amongst young voters and amongst african american voters, and they say yeah, but you are the youngest democratic governor in the country. you are the only african american governor. i said the reason that we are doing well with that demo is not because of who i am. it's because of the policies! the policies to push forward, and we're doing that in partnership with the biden administration? we've made our north star, we are going to focus on work and wages and wealth. for our communities. and that means when we talk about worth, when i first became the governor, we were 43rd in unemployment. we now have the lowest unemployment rate in the entire country. that is in 11 months. when we talk about wages, we were able to reach the minimum wage to $15, because no one should be working their job, in

some cases, multiple, jobs and still being below a poverty line. and 12 means addressing things like unfair appraisal values, making sure we're increasing liquidity to minority owned businesses. but all those things we're doing, it's all being done in partnership with the biden administration! i, as a local leader, have but leader and the partnership that i need in washington, and that's what it's important for people to remember. if you like what's going on, the fact that we are increasing wages, the fact that unemployment is down, the fact that homicide rates and violent crime rates are down, why do you think that's happening? it's because we have the right partner in washington and the right partner in joe biden to make this work actually take place. >> what your detailing are things people can feel. people, i often tell folks that folks's perception is a reality, and have a voter feels about how the economy is doing or how safe their neighborhood's is their reality. whether or not the numbers at up, how people feel matters. the number one killer of our

kids right now is guns. and i know this part we talked about legislation you've introduced, partly legislation you introduced this week in this legislative session was about gun violence, and opening up one of the first gun violence prevention centers, proposing legislation for that, in collaboration with the biden administration. i do think there is this feeling that folks have across the country that it's kind of unsafe right now, even though violent crime across the country is down. do you think that gun violence prevention's, some of the work y'all have been doing in collaboration with the biden administration, that this is a salient points that could potentially be helpful, come 2024? >> i think this is an incredibly salient point, because there's nothing that people want more than simply just to feel safe. safe in their own neighborhoods, safe in their own communities, safe in their own skin. and there is a fever that we've got to break. i think about, you know, our beautiful states, where you know, our states largest city, baltimore, went eight straight years of 300 plus homicides.

in the state of maryland over the past eight years, we fought the homicide rate nearly double in the state of maryland. this past year was the first year we were able to break that fever, where baltimore had historic drop in homicide rates. the state of maryland finally saw violent crimes, non fatal shootings drop. but it's still too many, because if you have one person who is losing their life, it's too many. we are proud that the biden administration put together a first-ever office of gun violence prevention, and in december, the vice president called all the states together and said, we would urge you to follow this lead and created in your own state. we are proud that maryland as the first day in this country to now create an office of gun violence prevention that is sitting with our department of health, because this is not just a public safety issue, this is a public health issue. 70% of all 9-1-1 calls have some form of behavioral or mental health component to it. so, we have to think holistically. we have to be able to leverage all aspects of government,, and we've got to make sure our

communities are safe and having all of the above approach when it comes to creating that measure of safeness. >> maryland governor, wes moore, thank you so much for being with us. i'm not loving the maryland's corner so much. we're going to need some more reps. >> we've got -- folks from jersey, yell. >> i think this is worse. >> i think this works? >> congratulations. this is very exciting. >> thank you for coming in today. >> thank you very much. we are t-minus two days to the iowa caucuses, and the only thing we candidates might be watching closer than the polls as the weather forecast. the high in des moines on monday, it is sub-zero. how that could impact turnout on the weekend continues. kend continues marlo thomas: my father founded saint jude children's research hospital because he believed no child should die in the dawn of life. in 1984, a patient named stacy arrived, and it began her family's touching story that is still going on today. vicki: childhood cancer, it's just hard.

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frigid weather and biting temperatures will pull iowa caucus goers to the test on monday. republican candidates have been forced to adjust the travel plans and cancel campaign events at the last minute. and the weather isn't expected to improve for caucus night. let's bring in nbc news correspondent, my man, vaughn hillyard! von, the iceberg hillyard! from des moines. hey, even, it is cold. there is no doubt about that. but is this really a situation where the cold can have a direct impact on who turns out on caucus night at this point, and the campaigns are legitimately concerned about that? >> right. first of all, thank you, guys. it's great. it's an honor to be you guys for the first show here. i would stand in negative 20 windchill, which is right now, to do it, and i would do it over and over again and will forever into the future, no matter the circumstances. look, the question, is when a voter, so? i don't know. i can't guarantee that for you guys here. frankly, what will get donald trump, nikki haley, ron

desantis, there's really been consistency in the polls. over these last months, but now, this is the variable that is actively being debated. donald trump supporter largely in rural areas, which would require folks to make the extra drive and commitment to go and caucus for him. at the same time, we have seen consistently in the data that donald trump has the most enthusiastic supporters and frankly, the most firm support as well here. but these are the dynamics. is there much enthusiasm for nikki haley? frankly, we haven't seen it on the trail. but in the more urban areas around des moines, areas where it's a little easier to get to places in the suburbs? you know, could that help boost her? those are the questions we're going to be looking at here over the next 48 hours. >> ivan, symone, you mentioned enthusiasm, and can you paint a picture for folks at home, because this is a campaign's worst nightmare. in a caucus state. enthusiasm matters. this is not just going to a polling place and casting a ballot and going home.

talk about the process of what folks would be experiencing tomorrow, if they play on to caucus. monday. >> they're going to, at 7:00 on monday night is when the caucus doors open. here in des moines, rolling at negative 20 wind chill factor. hopefully, the doors will be open for folks who will be able to get in. but we know at caucuses in the past, there's a large number of folks in the communities, and parking is tough, you've got to walk over the black ice, it's going to be after sundown to get in there, and most cases, it's going to be a secret ballot. but you know, it's tough. i've heard some skepticism, frankly, guys, about whether trump supporters will turn out. i can tell, you having been in donald trump's first migrant rally in the heart of the phoenix summer back in 2015, when it was 110 degrees, to just last, week when the wind chills or about 20 degrees up in sue center in the northwest part of iowa, to you know, rallies in michigan to blustery conditions in council bluffs just a bit ago, you know, i have seen time and again that

the loyalty of this movement around him is so stark that folks are willing to wait in frankly awful conditions that i could not even thought of if it was a taylor swift concert, being willing to stand out there for. yet his, supporters are. the question is, are there enough of them? i don't have the answer. we're going to be getting a new nbc news des moines register poll out at 9:00 tonight that will give us at least an indication of where this race is, heading into what will be these really awful conditions on monday. >> it is so cold in des moines. it looks like the clouds have dropped to the ground behind fawn. it is vaughn hillyard in des moines, iowa. we thank you, my friend, for being with us. >> thank you. >> up next, the third-party factor. how much could a candidate backed by saying, for example, no labels, shaped the 2024 landscape? we'll discuss right here, on the weekends, on an msnbc. ds, on an msnbc. (dad) this old, tired phone can't be traded in.

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days away from the iowa caucuses and polls show donald trump outpacing ex gop rivals by more than 30 points. worth noting, this latest poll was conducted before chris christie dropped out. so, as the general election flash between joe biden as donald trump grows more certain, the focus is increasingly turning to third-party alternatives. nbc news reports and independent group no labels has engaged with chris christie

donors and allies about getting him to be their candidate this fall. both sides have expressed fear that too many third party candidacies could doom their chances in november. here's our democratic poll -- told symone earlier this week. >> what keeps you up at night about this election, given all of the conversations your having in the data you're seeing? >> third parties and the fact that so many people are unhappy with their choices. the inability, the difficulty of breaking through is what i think is a spectacular record. i think joe biden has been a masterful president. [muted] >> joining us now, msnbc political contributor and political white house correspondent, eugene daniels. so, chris christie drops out. hypothetically, because he sees no path for himself. also, because he keeps making the argument donald trump could be president. surely, chris christie could do enough matt to understand a

third party run would pave the way for donald trump. >> first, i want to say, i'm so happy to be with you guys at the table. the first episode, very excited for this show. you are 100% right. in that speech that he gave, he announced he was leaving, he, i think he said was he wanted to make sure he didn't do anything to make sure, to make it easier for trump to make it back to the white house, right? that was the first thing on his mind. he told he dropped out now, before the voting started, so that he would have the biggest impact on the race. he was not really playing in iowa. we are unlikely to see kind of this big shake-up in iowa. but new hampshire is where that matters. and when you talk to folks around chris christie, is he interesting to be talked about the people wanting to be in front of things, and be out front? >> ambition. >> we talked about ambition a lot. he still has that, but he knows if he, wants to stay out of the white house and the third party that it's not where he should be. a lot of the time.

>> he said himself that ambition drove him to support donald trump in 2016, thinking he could be a better president, and make him a better candidate, better president, and he would never allow that to happen again this time. when i listen to chris christie and his speech, i immediately, he sounded like joe biden at some points. i was like, well, it's the president gonna call chris christie? what does the white house told you about how they are viewing the biden campaign? how they are viewing the race now, particularly chris christie's comments, as the president called them? you know? >> i don't know that yet, but all of us know winter biden, don't be surprised he is not. it's just good politics for him to do so, thank him for his service, thank you for the things he said, thank you for using so -- but the campaign is going to take all the help they want that they can get, right? you saw in 2020, john kasich, the former governor of ohio, at the b and c, at the convention, talking about biden. you have cindy mccain, the wife

of john mccain, doing the same thing. they are taking everybody that can along this ride, and the coalition that was built included republicans, moderate republicans, so, this third tourette for biden is very acute, from the left, cornell west, the green party folks, and whoever that no labels party and a putting on the ballot, in at least 13 states at this point. >> let's talk about the who, that. i do need to know a few who are jumping in. >> he left the organization, he wasn't clear, right? he was very coy. you could see it, right? a lot of these folks, politicians have so much, not just ambition, but you have to kind of have a certain mind to think you could be the president of the united states. >> you do -- but there's also -- >> very well. and the reality of it is, do the math. do the math. there is no state that no labels can articulate that they

will win those electoral votes. those electoral college votes. this is not an election based on the popularity of the president. it is based on the number of electoral college votes they get. so, where, still, 13 states notwithstanding, those no labels and the third-party effort, when? what state? maryland? you get our ten electoral votes for larry hogan? [laughter] let me know. >> you are mean mugging. of backing your head right now. can we get a shot of michael's face, so they know? >> i believed that -- [laughter] yes, okay? where are they going to win in the poll, but the effort is going to siphon off votes from various places. and what if they are denying, they could deny the electoral college vote. there's places that could split electoral college votes, elect arizona district on, or tropical storm, where i'm from. that one electoral college vote

out of nebraska has the last three presidential elections gone to the democratic contender. what if joe biden or donald trump does not reach 270, then, if the house to pick the president, and the senate picks the vice president. >> one of the things that's really interesting that no labels has started to say right behind closed doors is that they are interested in that. and >> that's crazy! >> in playing a part in kind of creating this coalition government that united states never sees, and probably never. well >> where -- >> the president, the vice president, or people maybe from different parties,, so they've said those kinds of things publicly. so, that is something that both the trump campaign and the biden campaign are paying a lot of attention to. it keeps them up at night. as symone was just saying. and more importantly, they are going to have to figure out, with those black voters, younger voters who might like a cornell west, the moderate republicans who might like whoever is on the no labels

party. they have to figure out how to make sure those people stay home. stay home with them, not -- >> not vote? >> no, stay home with the biden campaign. >> that goes to what we were talking about with one of the last segments, and that was that coalition that joe biden put together matters more today than it ever has, and shoring up that core of that, which is his space vote within the party, is essential as he goes out and tries to build off of that with these other pieces, with republicans and independent votes. >> elections are never going to get further away, and -- >> exactly. >> so, 5000 votes in one state could ruin it for one of these candidates. so, the people, out of the folks who are running these third-party runs, cornell west came to the -- office, and we talk about him. we talk to have a feel about donald trump, the deal is a danger to democracy, he shouldn't be let back into the white house,, of the next question is, so what are you

doing? why are you doing? this if you believe that, what are you doing? and they say they don't like joe biden either. so, that's -- >> our brilliant friend amanda -- for all seasons is staying with us, because, next house speaker mike johnson might be facing the same kind of mutiny that doomed kevin mccarthy. but he might have one advantage. kevin mccarthy did not. you are watching the weekend. e watching the weekend ng] sara federico: at st. jude, we don't care who cures cancer. we just need to advance the cure.

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kicking off the gear in as one report puts it, hard right republicans are suffering from buyers remorse when it comes to speaker mike johnson. they are unhappy with the bipartisan spending deal he made with senate democrats, that would keep the government open. and as a result, they're threatening to, yeah, you figured it out, acts him from the speakership. if this scenario sounds familiar to you, well, it's because that's exactly what happened to kevin mccarthy last october. after he made a similar deal to avert a government shutdown. past is prologue, and here we go again. we're so happy to have eugene daniels back at the table with us. so, eugene, on a serious tip here, this is about the nation's business. you have a political party that cannot identify a way to govern. the speaker has found that path.

okay. we've got to sit down at the table and cut this deal. what is it about the deal cutting that republicans in that caucus think what they want is going to change the game and bring democrats to the table? >> they don't think it's going to bring democrats to the table. they don't care. there's a lot of hard-liners in the republican conference and the house who aren't very interested in passing bills. they just want to be seen by their voters, by fox news, and by daily caller as people who are gumming up the works. there used to be, when you were in office and you talk to republicans at democrats, it was that government had to work a bit differently. now, you have a lot of folks and lots of strong voices in the republican party that think it shouldn't work at all. that is bad, right? so, that is what johnson is figuring out right now. he is 100-day -- 80 days. he is learning that, it's going to continue to learn that the hard way. mccarthy learned that the hard way.

it is hard to see how any person who would be in that position would be able to calm down the hard-liners and passed bills that the american people actually need to live. >> it does seem to be a difference contour to this time around. that is, you name checked on -- in nebraska, to, who said, i don't think there's going to be a motion to vacate. it's not what moderate republicans want. i think that is in, part because they're getting closer to -- i think it's interesting is that you have moderate democrats, none of them willing to give their names on the record. >> i've noticed that. i'm saying, off the record, if there is in fact a motion to vacate, which they were trying to force this vote, get rid of the speaker yet again, that the moderate dems are actually going to, are ready to bail mike johnson out. does your reporting bear that out? is that for real? >> the problem of the folks that are talking to us on the backburner, is when that vote happens, that's on the record. so everyone's gonna see it, right? so, we heard that same thing during mccarthy. not from democrats, but from republicans. we're gonna wage war, but, then

when push came to shove, they voted how they did. and i will say, the thing, there's a lot of kind of concern that he is going to have this motion to vacate at some point. you have people like marjorie taylor greene kind of throwing that out there. chip saying we're gonna interested in it. but the big difference is that people really hated mccarthy personally. it wasn't just that he couldn't, that he worked with democrats, is that they really dislike him. they dislike them for so many different reasons there's no way, when you go to one person, it's for this reason, this person dislike for this reason. you can't clean that up. there's no way to do that. and something that mike johnson has done, has not done that mccarthy did, if mccarthy was talking out of both sides of his mouth. he was telling conservatives behind closed doors they will be able to get a bill that had what they wanted, and he was going to fight for. it meanwhile, he was telling democrats in the white house something completely different. that is one of the reasons why he got ousted. >> and speaker johnson, i mean, speaker johnson is one of the

chief -- so, wow, he might be a night and the man who's aligned with insurrectionists, but he does not do that. he is notorious for that, in terms of speaking out of both sides of his mouth. he's notorious for not really holding his hearts very close, even from staff, and not promising anything in these closed-door meetings, to the point where people walk out confused. >> yeah. >> does the white house think it's gonna down? yay or nay. >> yeah. [laughter] there's always a little bit -- a little bit scared, but not a quote. exactly, that kind of scared face. there was a little bit of concern, but they always remain hopeful. i like to say because johnson is not in the same position that mccarthy's, was, that this may get figured out. but i think where they're really concerned is this next deadline. so, you push this one through with numbers that hard-liners hate. what happens between that and the next deadline? >> i love it, yeah, eugene

daniels, rocking the passion pink turtleneck this morning on the weekend, thank you so much brother. thank you so much for coming by. as we go to break, we want you to know, katie turn is hosting a special coverage tonight on the iowa caucuses. she'll be speaking with steve kornacki and reporters on the ground to break down the latest on the race. that's tonight at nine pm eastern, on msnbc. you are watching the weekend. hing the weekend ma, ma, ma— ( clears throat ) for fast sore throat relief, try vicks vapocool drops. with two times more menthol per drop, and powerful vicks vapors to vaporize sore throat pain. vicks vapocool drops. vaporize sore throat pain. your best defense against erosion and cavities

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very first edition of the weekend. i am symone sanders-townsend alongside my friends, alicia menendez and michael steele. join us back here tomorrow at 8 am eastern because we will be talking with democratic congressman jamie raskin and he's got something to say about his battles with house oversight republicans and his new demand that donald trump returned payments that trump businesses received from foreign governments while he was in office. also, please be sure to follow the weekend on instagram, tiktok, and the site formally known as twitter. velshi starts right now. hi, ali. i would call you my best, but i do not want richard louis to be defended. >> fair enough. let me tell you, i slept well last night, i got a pretty to watch your show this morning. thought i would give a little bit of club live today and that i thought i was doing pretty well, then eugene daniels shows up on tv and is like, you know what? don't play in ak