january six we've never seen before, even during the civil war. insurrectionists waving confederate flags inside the halls of congress, vilifying slate americans. >> i want to testified publicly in the chairman keeps blocking it. i'm not sure what there is to hide. >> let me tell you why nobody want to talk to all behind closed doors, because you all are lying. -- >> that is wrong, you support all that money going over. there >> you are so desperate. >> it's clear to me tonight that there isn't a path for me to win the nomination, which is why i am spending my campaign. >> robert and i said we usually agree to -- >> a president united states, i'm not talking just, me but any president has have immunity. >> our top line agreement remains. we are getting our next steps together and we're working towards a robust appropriations process. stay tuned for all of that to develop. >> i am katie phang live from

msnbc headquarters in new york city. receipts, proof of timeline, screenshots. trump unconstitutionally profited millions from the presidency, and democrats like congressman robert garcia bringing the receipts. we begin this hour in frigid iowa, where enlisted 48 hours, caucus goers will brave sub-zero temperatures on the martin luther king jr. day to decide who they think should top the presidential power ticket for 2024. joining me now from des moines iowa is nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. vaughn, i will not ask the obvious about how cold it is, but you have to set the stage for us. talk about how the extreme weather in iowa could actually dictate the outcome of monday. >> okay, my friend, we are

standing in here in this isn't just nothing here. i know that you are in new york today, where it's actually a balmy 60 degrees, but your family down miami right now, he did next is 89. i was looking this up in miami. here at the windchill is negative 20. we're talking about 105-degree difference here between miami and des moines right, now it's only going to plummet even more heading into monday night, and that is where the question is how does this impact the caucus monday night here. we've already seen donald trump canceled both of his rallies today. he canceled more than four tomorrow. there are questions about nikki haley and ron desantis's events going forward. normally, this is chaos here at the weekend before the caucus, and this is the go time for nikki haley amongst us to try to close that gap i working hard on the ground and getting voters here, but this is the difficult math that we are going to play at. i know you are not katie were messaging earlier today about the sort of weather conditions, and what voters, desantis

voters and who is the most likely to get in their car in these conditions and drive to an event and walkover black ice and go caucus for their candidate? we will have a pretty good understanding of the answer comes 60 hours for now. but the actual campaigns, this is definitely getting in the way of their get out the vote effort in this final weekend, katie. >> if, on quickly, before after that you, go is their concern for the trump campaign you've heard from complacency or the idea that everybody just assumes that he is a lead, and i don't actually have to get out and put a vote out there? >> right. that was trump's been saying here tax like it is tied in telling supporters that they need to come out and pakistan only to win, but he wants a historical when. the record here for our republican caucus in the state of iowa's 12 percentage points. they want to get out to send a clear message that he is and i will caucus winner but in the message to run desantis that they should consider getting out of this race because this

republican party is still this. >> i will put in a position for miami caucus so that you can come down to minus time enough to stand out in the cold. please stay warm, please stay safe, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, thank you for getting us started. ughn hillyard,>> coming up a lin this, our more from the iowa caucuses, but senior visor to the lincoln project and former gop cos director tara setmayer and the intensifying race among trump's republican cronies for the vice president pick and a surprising indictment of conservative media and its spineless al the should've trump from sinking hopeful runs. anticipated, while it's groundhog day over on capitol hill as we heard towards another government shutdown headline generate 19th in less than a week. the first of two government funding deadline set to expire in the second just around the corn o february 2nd. stday, house speaker mike joso said he would stand the spending deal that he negotied with democrats to avert a shutdown. ch to the anger of the far-right membs of the chaos

caucus, who were hoping for lower spding levels and draconian chin border policies. earlier this, week republicans inactive protest refused to support a ntoon procedural vote that would set e stage for re republican-led bills. and if it also feels like déjà vu, last year on a routine vote held under than speaker kevin mccarthy, far-right republicans pulled the same exact move. speaker johnson decides to stand steadfast given is very slim majority in the house, but he may need to get by with little from his friends across the aisle. joining me now, congressman robert garcia, a member of the house oversight committee. congressman, i started today's show talking about, listen, it's a quote, i'm quoting you who's counting real -- i've never won a shy way from that white house four cell report that came out about trump's businesses receiving at least seven point $8 million in foreign payments from 20 countries during his presidency in violation of the monuments costs.

talk about the framing though about what happened in congress in your committee when all of that is just kind of being pushed aside by hypocritical gop peers. >> hey, good to see you katie. i think what is really crazy is the maga extreme clown show continues in congress with no end in sight. here we have donald trump, evidence that he has essentially taken foreign bribes and payments. and by the, way that seven $20 million is just the tip of the iceberg of what is likely tens of millions, hundreds of millions of other illegal payments that could be out there. that was only from four properties. he has hundreds, hundreds of properties and businesses around the world. and so we should be focused on investigating that drift, but instead, republicans are obsessed with hunter biden. they're obsessed with showing pornography like marjorie taylor degraded at her hearing. they won't allow hunter to come

testify publicly to the public, which we all support. and they know very clearly that there is zero evidence and zero evidence that links any of hunter biden's business dealings with the president or the white house. so they just want to completely cause more chaos whatever they can. >> you know congressman, i say tongue-in-cheek again, but it is impeachment lisa. not as it only hunter biden, but it's alejandro mayorkas, it's lloyd austin, and it depends on the day the week. who they will sit there into cherry-pick investigate. but we are kissing up on the first of two major funding deadlines and money is going to run out and fundamental services provided to all americans regardless of party affiliation are going to run out. nbc news reporting that some moderate dems may be willinto support mike johnson if a motion to vacate comes out. are you one of those democrats? >> a progressive democrat. in those scenario whatever

support mike johnson for speaker. this is one of the most extreme social conservatives at. as an openly gay person, he's someone believes i should have your rights in this country. and i have never will never support mike johnson. if other folks want to support him in some sort of master deal to get a government funding deal in place, we will see what happens, but let's remember what is actually on the line. republicans cannot put it together because they're only listening to the extremist base. it is folks like marjorie taylor greene who have been leading all of these impeachment-palooza efforts, as you call, them around the president on day one on his first day in office he file that resolution against mayorkas and against our secretary of defense, and they are trying to create chaos. we have real serious challenges. there are millions and millions of people in this country that are not just federal workers but even many more that defend and fun on federal services. the postal service, on social

security, and on health care services and shutting down government would cause huge harm to the american public. we are just a week away from that first to shut down, and republicans are only interested in doing the bidding of their supreme leader donald trump in trying to take down president biden. that is all that they care about. >> congressman robert garcia, it's always so good to have you on the show. thank you for getting us started today. >> thank you. >> coming up, why trump's outrageous arguments about presidential immunity in the u.s. court of appeals in d.c., including shocking justifications for hypothetical assassinations of his political rivals, just may have torpedoed any chance out of a successful appeal to the united states supreme court. there is much more to come on the katie phang show, and so do not go anywhere. anywhere.

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loyal people. did you ever see that? why can stand middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters, okay?

it's like incredible. >> it's been eight years since then candidate trump made that astonishing claim in the days leading up to the 2016 iowa caucuses. and as all eyes turned to i went once again, trump lawyer d john sour is making a eerily similar argument in the court of appeals, as the twice impeached quadruple indicted one term ex president argues for absolute presidential immunity from prosecution. >> president who ordered seal team six to assassinate a political rival who was not impeached, can he be subject criminal prosecution? >> if you are impeachment evicted first. >> if he were impeached and convicted first. a draw dropping look into the republican front runners worldview and legal defense. the timing of the three judge panels decision remains unclear, and how quickly the immunity case decision comes down maybe just as important as the eventual ruling due to trump's

litany of court battles. joining me now, nick hackman, former watergate prosecutor and former assistant attorney for the southern district of new york. nick, it's always so good to see you. look, i'm always focusing on this d.c. court of appeals argue that happened this past week. you and i have practiced law for a long time. i have never heard arguments advanced by a lawyer on behalf of any let it get like a heard from john sour this week. nixon versus fitzgerald is a case that was cited repeatedly by donald trump in that came up during those oral arguments repeatedly. one of the remedies that deals with absolute immunity according to nixon versus fitzgerald is the idea that there were deterrent effects on a presidents bad conduct through constant scrutiny by the press in vigilant oversight by congress. i mean, nick, we are not getting that from the press courtesy of the fox news's of the world, et cetera, and you are not getting that vigilant

oversight by congress. how is a possible that a president could ever achieve absolute immunity? >> there is no way a president can achieve absolute immunity in the criminal sphere. the case that you just mentioned, that israel case, is a civil case and that makes sense. a president should not be tied up with civil litigation for basically turning out what are, in effect, normal acts of a president that contemplated in the executive branch. this is completely different. this crazy theory could have only been created in the trump university law school. i, mean there is no way this could have ever come up under any circumstances. the same issue i dealt with 50 years ago in the watergate case with richard nixon. we never bought for a second that he had to first be impeached in order for us to prosecute him.

the only reason we didn't prosecute him prior to the impeachment proceedings where that [inaudible] made a decision that congress should do its thing, not interfere, and then after the impeachment proceeding, we would pick it up. now, the only reason that richard nixon was not indicted was because he was pardoned by gerald ford. nobody ever thought that nixon would be scot-free and not be able to be prosecuted for criminal acts. and if anyone even thought that, why would president ford have ever pardoned him in the first place if this crazy theory was even in effect? >> well nick, to that point, that came up. during the oral arguments, one of the three appellate judges asked john sour, what was the purpose of having a pardon, a criminal pardon for richard nixon if presidents are not

allowed, or not subject to prosecution, criminal prosecution. to be clear for our viewers, there is no law, there is no precedent that says that a president must be impeached and convicted by the senate prior to facing criminal prosecution, correct? >> there's nothing that says. that absolutely not. this is something that they made up out of whole cloth. it really has no basis in the constitution, it is no basis and any kind of law that is in the effect in this country. it just isn't there. they made it up, and there is no way that this is never going to be affirmed by the circuit court. and as we mentioned before, this also is going to have a big impact in terms of getting this case back on track so the trial occurs in march schedule. the big issue here is not presidential immunity on a criminal case. the big issue is getting this

trial back on track. trump's only point in bringing this crazy argument is to simply delay this matter and try to weasel his way out of this case by putting it off until he thinks he is going to get elected as president so that he can pardon himself. the fact of the matter is that what they did this week has basically made it so that there is no way the supreme court is never going to want to deal with this ridiculous argument. they are not going to take an appeal from this. the circuit court knows, and they made a very clear in the beginning of that oral argument, that what was really at stake was getting this case back on track, and i think we are going to see that happen this week, and i think we're going to see it move ahead in march. >> nick, so you read my mind. i was going to ask you if you thought the supreme court would actually take up this case once the dc circuit court of appeals denies trump's appeal, but there is also the presidential immunity defense that is being raised in other jurisdictions.

do you think then that might actually move towards the supreme court going to take one uniform decision across the board? take on >> i don't think there's any need to do it in this case. it's pretty clear with the law is. there is no idea that there is a president who can go on fifth avenue and kill somebody and they're not going to get prosecuted. that is insane. they did the president can go out and kill this political opposition cannot get prosecuted is completely off of the charts. there is no way anybody's going to buy that. they can make this argument until the cows come home, and it's not going to get them anywhere. what is really at stake here is getting this trial that is scheduled for march 4th back on track, because the minute that donald trump is in the top, the jury a sworn in, he is gone. he's going to be convicted and be on his way to the big house. that is what he is concerned about. his only legal defense here,

it's on the facts, it's not a law, it is on delay. >> nick akerman delivering the truth this morning, thank you for being here, i appreciate it. >> thank, you good seeing you. >> still to come, no both sides. friend of the show molly -- joins me live on set to discuss the latest piece announcements that the democracy in the unique responsibility the media has uncovering the historical facts of the insurrection. you're watching msnbc. g msnbc.

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continued attacks for commercial and other vessels in the red sea despite numerous warnings from both the u.s. and the united kingdom. thousands of protesters are gathering in washington d.c. at this hour for the march for gaza rally, marking 100 days since the israel-hamas war began. the rallies organized by the american muslim task force for palestine and by other groups who are calling for a cease-fire in gaza and the halting of u.s. aid to israel. joining me now is nbc news channel correspondent brie jackson, who is live for us from freedom plaza in washington, d.c.. brie, that is a lot of people. tell us what's going on. i think they're supposed to be some speakers as well today. >> absolutely, good afternoon katie. so crowds are really starting to gather here. we've been out here for the last hour and just seeing the crowd continue to grow. we are told that a couple of thousand people, at the 25,000 people is what the organizers here are expecting. people coming from all across the country. we've talked to people from

michigan, from new york, and from other places, and they say that their message is clear. they want the biden administration to stop funding and supporting israel when it comes to this conflict, and they're also calling for a cease-fire. speakers are expected to take the stage around one pm eastern time. some of the speakers that are going beyond the stage or people who have lost loved ones in this war. we spoke with a couple of people already, and these are just really emotional stories that they are telling. one man that he spoke with says that he has lost nearly 100 family members in the gaza strip during this conflict, and he gave an emotional plea just asking the biden administration to take action and calling for that cease-fire. now people that i spoke with also say that they want to put a spotlight on what is happening not just in gaza, but in other parts in particular they are saying that they are in the west bank. they want to highlight some of the actions that they are

saying that israel is taking, and another thing to note is that they are trying to get this message out any way that they can. not just here on the stage, but they're also having some tiktok influencers come out to share the message there on social media. so they say that they want to get out their message, demanding a cease-fire as we near the 100 day mark of this war. and also to note that this is also part of -- organizers say it's an honor of martin luther king holiday that's coming up and that they want to stand up and speak about injustices. katie? >> nbc news channel d.c. correspondent brie jackson, it's good to see you. thank you so much. and donald trump is a proven liar. he has been found liable by a jury of his peers for sexual assault, is currently facing 9 to 1 charges in for criminal indictments, and yet, as vanity fair's molly jong-fast points out in her latest piece, media months with a unearnedbastic objectivity instead of the

threat to democracy that trump poses. it's having a terrible effect on the state of reality in american politics. do you need a reminder? well buckle up. >> well you unequivocal a convince david? duke >> i don't think about david duke. >> and to talk about david duke and the ku klux klan. here >> i would like to punch in the face, i will tell! you >> you just see them thrown in, rough. i said please don't be too nice. >> very fine people on both sides. >> proud boys, stand back and stand by. >> fight like heck, and if you don't fight like heck, you are not going to have a country anymore. >> we will root out the communists, marxists, fascists, in the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. >> don't believe the crap that you see from these people, the fake news. >> what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what is happening. >> joining me now is vanity fair special correspondent and

host a fast politics podcast, molly jong-fast. molly, i hate putting donald trump on air in that way, but i wanted to make sure that our viewers heard. you know that matchup, all of that from donald trump, that goes back to 2016. 2016. seven years ago. and in your piece something that really stuck with me is you said, when one candidate makes a claim, the other disputes it, two sides are divided, but the framing only works if both parties operate within the framework of shared reality. trump-ism doesn't offer the reality that the rest of us and have it. trump supporters believe that their leaders reality and not see the reality the rest of us see with our eyes. that's really powerful, because it's true. we are lending credibility to donald trump when he does not have any. credibility t donald trump when >> and he doet also. it gets worse, that's given grows every time that you see a republican endorse it. so for example, last week you had at least stefanik go and meet the press and say that the

january 6th criminals or hostages, and that was a way in which she endorsed trump's lies, and that was really dangerous, because now, there is a sense that these people who actually did crimes and are actually in jail, are now somehow not guilty. they are in fact hostages, and we know that they are not. it's a every time that these republicans go along with this -- world that trump created, it goes a schism for republicans in the party feel between what is real and what their guy, donald trump, tells them israel. >> putting aside the fact that republican congress people, for example, i just paying homage and allegiance to their supreme leader, you also had in your piece some really very telling examples of how media has failed as well. this idea that headlines include stuff like one, attack

two interpretations, biden trump make both the january six not of political rallying cry, and perhaps the most offensive you call that was from usa today. biden and trump split over january six is as divisive as it is for voters. i, mean media also continues to have responsibility to make sure that we don't both sides autocracy, right? >> yes, for sure. look, i am on the opinion side, and so for me it's a lot easier. it's very hard as a straight reporter who is meant to appear nonpartisan to cover something like this, and that is why the straight reporters need to be, and margaret sullivan talked about this a lot, pro democracy. they need to focus on democratic norms, right? and to explain that when one candidate is flooding those norms, and that's what we see with donald trump. i mean, you know, when i was watching that clip reel, i was thinking about all of the institutions that donald trump has attacked and degraded, right? from the mainstream media to

universities to voting itself, right? the man has -- he has declared open season on democracy. so i do think it's really important for us to explain when things are not normal. and for example, to think of january six as having two interpretations. no, they're not too interpretations. there is one interpretation, which is what happened, and a legal system has shown, that right? they didn't think that they were two interpretations. and you think the way we got here with the trump was so enabled by republicans who are desperate for power, and also by other people who did not want to get in trouble, did not want the death threats, did not want -- you go guns, trump it's, as you and i both know, you get a lot of pushback and very scary ways. but i think it is really important that that is how we got here, and he has gotten away with so many things. the one place where he is not getting away with it though, he is to some extent, it is the legal system. >> cowardice can be seen in

different ways. cowardice can be acquiescence, it can be obsequious, it can be i'm not going to say anything and i'm not going to speak. up carrots can also be on the back of that dictator autocratic because i'm scared that my own hides online if i do. so you know, nick akerman was on just right before you, and there is this case i was talking to him about, which is the civil immunity for presidents. -- but in the supreme court subpoena, it talks about kind of safeguards. you know, the idea of -- fear of not being reelected. the idea that congress actually would keep a bad president in check through impeachment and other means. is that meaning than that that is gone? >> we can't count on congress, we can on media, we can't count on the public, it's announced last battleground for democracy is going to be the courtroom? >> that, and i think it's really important go back this idea, because for such a long time, trump's people have said, well congress is supposed to keep them in check, and then you have these republicans, and they were too cowardly to vote

to convict. with that second impeachment right after january six, everybody knew, even mitch mcconnell was on the floor saying that this is not okay. >> kevin mccarthy. >> yes, and they didn't vote to convict because they didn't the death threats, they didn't scary phone calls, they didn't want it, and they felt like maybe he would go away. and i think that really maybe he would go away has been really the worst thing that anybody has assumed, because trump is not going away, and we see that now, right? he is running again, and he is the republican front runner. so i hope that there will be more bravery, but i'm not banking on it. >> and in the absence of bravery, then we help, as i read through your piece, that we do not both sides any of the lies. we don't both sides any of his positions that are clearly untenable. >> yeah, donald trump is not business as usual, and you can't cover him that way. >> boom goes the dynamite! molly jong-fast, but you for

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senior visor to the lincoln project, former gop comes director, and residents collar at the university of virginia center for politics. tara, it is good to see you. let's talk about iowa. frigid weather there, says it's canceling events left and right leading up to monday. how much do you think of all of the things that we've ever been talking about coming into monday that weather into being a factor and turnout on monday night. >> yeah, it's actually surprising that given the way the winters are in iowa, and have a lot of good friends there. i love the people of iowa, but that this has not been issue before. it really hasn't. this is the coldest caucus ever, and the weather is basically a blizzard there. usually we talk about that on election day, right? presidential election day. please, don't let it rain, because that impacts turnout and people don't want to brave the elements. this time i think if i were nikki haley around desantis, i would be cursing the weather gods because they worked very hard to try to get people enthusiastic enough to go out and caucus.

it is already a serious commitment and time commitment to go in caucus. it's not like you go in and cast your ballot. it takes several, hours it is a whole thing, and personally think this is an antiquated system, but the people who are most engage in most enthusiastic are the ones who will braved the weather to go and do this, and that is clearly trump supporters. and so i would not be surprised if you see a reduction in turn out just because the weather is terrible but that benefits donald trump. it's not like you need any more advantage anyway. he has a significant lead there. >> tara, that's a very different conversation right now about chris christie. let's have the same frank conversation about johnson knew. i could keep on going, right? i could look at everybody whoever contemplated running for president of united states, and i could look at everybody who sitting in congress right now, and the people who have not said that i have i will back joe biden. johnson in the took it one step further and said, i'm not a trump guy, but i will vote for trump, because you would be a fool to think that if i

wouldn't if he ends up being the republican nominee. why are we not seeing real profiles in courage with people saying that i'm going to vote for joe biden? >> i'm glad that you brought up johnson knew. i think johnson knew in chris christie are different categories this time around. i was very upset with my home state governor, former governor chris christie in 2020, and his continued enabling of trump in 2016 and all of that, but he has actually atone for sins i think, and we need to give him some grace in, that because he's trying to do the right thing now. he gave a barn burner of a speech when he departed the race, and he just fell a little bit short of saying, and i will support joe biden into everything i can to make sure that donald trump never becomes president. he has a book coming out in a month, and he will have the opportunity to go on a book tour, which will give him another national spotlight, where hope eventually he will come to the place where he says that he will support joe biden and give a permission structure

to the normie republicans, the ones who are still out there, to vote for joe biden this time around, because the alternative is unthinkable. and then you turn to john sununu, who i think is a hysterical character in all of this. somebody needs to lay off the caffeine with him. but the hysterical rationalization that he gave on cnn the other night for supporting donald trump if he is the nominee, when we all know he will be, and so does he, was so infuriating, because people like him who the, again, normally republicans who are looking for an out because they know that they cannot deal with donald trump, they are still diluting themselves into thinking that nikki haley or desantis might beat him in the primaries, he won't. but then when it comes to that binary choice of biden or trump, we cannot allow negative partisanship to rule the day. the result of voting for donald trump and putting him in power again will result in the destruction of our constitutional republic. people like johnson who know

better. he knows that, and yet he still going out here telling the political parties in line at the expense of our democracy. it was shameful. but these are the voters that we call here at the lincoln project. those are those people who are moderate republicans, who are uncomfortable with extremism, but they still feel loyalty to their party, but they just need that permission structure to do the right thing. a bunch of those folks did that in 2020. we targeted, them and it worked in swing states. we will target them again, and those are the people who are going to make the difference in these tight races in wisconsin, nevada, georgia, arizona, pennsylvania. it is those people. so someone like johnson who knew, shame on him! i put him in the category of all the other enablers who knew better that have gotten us to this point right now and have embolden donald trump to continue doing what he's doing, and to be the front runner in the republican party in 2024 is pretty darn despicable, and john sununu and people like him are responsible for it. >> shame them, shame, shame,

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lawyer for hello alice, former acting solicitor general of the united states and msnbc legal analyst and elizabeth gore, cofounder of president of hello alice. i think both of you for being on the show because i find that this case like others a really important for our viewers to know about because, as i said in the intro, the culture wars are not limited to just legislators, right? it's actually being battled out in courtrooms across the united states. elizabeth, i will start with. you very quickly explain why the program that benefits minority entrepreneurs through hello alice has tangible results that actually benefits everyone at large. >> absolutely, thank you for having me. non at hello alice, we serve 1.4 billion small business owners, particularly around access to capital in all 50 states. and so we provide credit, we provide, loans and really important program that we run our small business grants programs at the tune of about 40 billion dollars. these are really critical for small business owners particularly that do not have a strong credit history.

you look at u.s. veterans who have been deployed and haven't built a strong score yet. women in the -- economy. you look at generational wealth gaps that have not allowed that, and so these grants are critical, and we are really proud that we have helped millions of small businesses do this in this way. >> neil, let's shift gears and let's talk about the latest move that you've made the motion to dismiss followed you on behalf of hello alice. talk about the fatal flaws legally that exist in the lawsuit that has been backed by edward bloom. >> katie, first of all ages want to say that it's a privilege to be a part of your inaugural show at this time slot. and such a huge fan of yours yours, and it's a real privilege. there is a war on affirmative action going on in this country, and, shore the supreme court last year decided with respect to higher education institutions that take public funds, because of the specific of congress that was passed, those programs were generally permissible, the congress is

never done anything like that when it comes to private activity. and you know, this lawsuit was basically brought from stephen miller from the trump administration, and he has been trying to persuade companies like hello alice to get rid of their programs, and he felt and so because he failed, he walked into federal court to try to get them to do what he could not get companies to do on their own, which is get rid of their affirmative action program. and it's such a privilege to be representing hello alice because they are fighting the good fight here. they are saying, look, these are our dollars, this is a private decision, we should be able to do within what we want, and we thought conservatives were against heavy handed government regulation, but not now, here you are trying to police our ability to give a philanthropic grant to a black-owned business. that just cannot be the law. >> neil, i would stick with you for a second before i go back to elizabeth. the dark money funding for groups that are able to

bankroll this type of frivolous litigation. i, mean that really kind of highlights what's going on here, right? the idea that if conservatives are trying to look out like you just said by trying to pressure private companies to be able to change their policies, they are just going to take the tact of litigation. is there any resource for hello alice for example because of a frivolous litigation those brought like this lawsuit? >> well certainly because it is frivolous, we will be making arguments to that effect. we are not going to get into their funding sources or anything like that, you know. that is for others to look and do with what they want. but, look we think that would hello alice is doing is absolutely part of the american tradition, and indeed, the congress that passed the one law that they're able to even point to to try and claim that we're doing something wrong, that is the very congress that did affirmative action for african americans in 1866. reconstruction congress, which set up the bureau in so many other things that benefited african americans.

>> elizabeth, talk about the chilling effect that this has not only for your business and the model that you're trying to promote, which benefits again, everybody, not just one narrow part of united states, but the chilling effect that you're hearing that's going to be happening for other people another type of into these that are trying to provide a way to close the gap that is historically existed for opportunities. >> well katie, we're not just talking about, it we're seeing it firsthand. if you look at whether it is diversity contracts, which is 159 billion dollars in this country, or you look at small business grants, we already seeing folks step back, they're waiting to see what's going to happen, here and that cannot happen for two reasons. one is that we are just coming out of covid, small business owners have to get equitable access to capital. 99% of the businesses in this country are small, and they can't not receive those types

of funding. the second is, and this is really going to impact the fortune 1000. the most important suppliers and supply chains for the 41,000 our small business owners in this country. and they actually won the supply chain warren debate right after covid when it was really tough, and we were having short programs and jobs and they are successful. if we see these contracts go away, if we see small business grants go away, this is going to impact billions of dollars for your coffee shop, for your child care center, and for your local doctor, and your accountant. this is an issue that everyone needs to pay attention to, and i heard earlier on your show, who was standing up? who is not going to be a coward here? and we are standing up. we are going to fight this because we think it is important to support main street. >> i want to say one thing to the naysayers out there before i say goodbye to the two of you. hello alex has provided over $40 million in grants to entrepreneurs of all genders,

races, industries, and geographies. so you naysayers, i would stand up against neal katyal in court. i would run away. katya's in court, thank you for being here and highlighting this really important case. i appreciate. it >> thank you for having us. >> and thanks to all of you for joining us today and our new timeslot. you can catch me back here next saturday at noon eastern. would follow us on instagram, tiktok, x and threats using the handle at katie faint show. not going, where msnbc reports, my friend alex witt, it is coming up next. up next my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc.

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you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. with breaking news from the nation's heartland, at this hour, to developing storylines, blizzard conditions, accompanied by a bitter chill sweeping across parts of the midwest, including iowa, where the first contest of the 2024 presidential election cycle is slated for monday. the weather scrambling republican campaign schedules and looming over the imminent caucuses, potentially affecting turnout. it is a weekend of consequence on all those fronts. and we have correspondents from michigan to iowa, with reactions from the candidates and on the midwinter blast. we're going to begin in the great lakes. we have a live look at mackinaw city,