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and election night victory? plus, dangerous defense. donald trump says a lot, we know, but nothing quite like what we heard this week to a federal judge. re-upping a frankly murderous claim from his 2016 campaign. and in his first and only tv interview with western media al jazeera's gaza bureau chief wael al dahdouh tonight on his mission to keep reporting despite losing his wife, sons, daughter, and grant some two and israeli airstrike. and he's got something to say president to joe biden. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's do it. ♪ ♪ ♪ t minus 48 hours. exactly two days from now, at seven pm on monday evening, iowa caucus goers will make their voices heard in the first in the nation gop primary contest. they're going to do it amid possibly life-threatening blizzard conditions, with temperatures in areas across

the state expected to be up to single digit negatives, a chill the state has not expressed and at least four tickets. nevertheless, finally, after months of debate and polls and endless sometimes mindless horse race punditry, we will finally have real result on the board. we will know how the republican candidates actually stack up against one another. so this should be a moment bursting with excitement and anticipation. after all, our democracy is going to be working. let's be honest here for a moment. it's not. as semafor's david weigel puts it, iowa is less a race and a cold and miserable trudged to trump and even will. and quote, after a year of campaigning, canvassing, and pricey advertising, the caucuses are coming to an

uninspired, unsuspenseful end. that despite the fact that trump's only two principal rivals, nikki haley and ron desantis had a primetime opportunity this week to make their case against the former president, to explain without pushback why he is a unfit to be commander-in-chief. but of course they didn't seize that opportunity. no. they didn't carpe that die to quote the hill's race to the bottom, what the american people saw was a republican party in full on fracture. -- constituency large enough to be taken seriously and the face of trump's dominating polling late. the proceedings quickly devolved into a sort of grievance olympics. the candidates vied to outdo each other in painting a picture of republicans its hopelessly apprized, politically censored, socially modulus victims. wait?

i'm sorry. that quote wasn't about this week's debate, actually. that was about september's gop brawl. and yet it perfectly describes haley and desantis's showdown in the hawkeye state. even the more than four months have transpired, even though trump has only gotten stronger and stronger in iowa, these republicans, they refuse to change course. they refuse to adapt. they refuse to accept reality and actually compete in this race. against the 800 pound orange gorilla in the room. joining me now are kurt badella, a democratic strategist -- and noelle nikpour, a republican strategist and author of bringing america. great to have you with us kicking off our coverage tonight. noelle, i'll start with you.

it seems like trump has it in the bag. obviously the big question is about whether and whether or not that actually suppresses turnout in some capacity. if we see severe blizzard conditions on monday evening, the numbers are lower than expected, what kind of impact could that have on the caucuses, could that have on the sentiment of the race as it gets off and running in earnest? >> well of course, the weather is going to play into this, most certainly. but i think it plays and trump 's favor. because trump's base is almost cultish. there are going to do anything for former president trump. they're going to go the extra mile. they're coming to risk going out and braving the cold, getting frostbitten, whatever they can do. the thing that it might hurt is going to be the other two candidates, other three candidates in that race that are vying for better percentages. that's haley, desantis, and vivek ramaswamy. there is only one anti trump candidate left in the race, really, and that's on the ballot, and that's asa hutchison, former governor of arkansas. i think this is going to be the first test for former president

trump to see exactly how strong his numbers are going to be. the other thing i'm looking at, ayman, is i'm looking at the fundraising totals. because he's gotten a lot of momentum donors and that's the small donors, somebody giving 20, 40, 40, 50 dollars to his campaign. because those are voters. so i'm going to look and see what is going on with the momentum, with donations. >> momentum is such an important word, kurt. let's talk about what momentum means for the other candidates, other than trump. and we'll look at that race in iowa polling. haley, she's got that momentum right now. she surged past desantis. he's now -- she is now in second place. if ron desantis he does not finish second, do you see him dropping out of this race? apparently he's already planned

to go to haley's state of south carolina, not new hampshire. but is there a path for for him in any capacity, nor but no one, i think it's done and dusted with floor donald trump, but for a second place finish that could perhaps get him a vice presidential nomination or a cabinet position? >> i don't see a scenario after all the vitriol we've seen donald trump specifically aim at ron desantis, he would actually select desantis to be on a ticket with him. we know that trump above all else thinks, 100% loyalty, he views desantis running as a disloyal act. either there's a path for desantis. that's what i could see him staying in at longer than he should. because after this, there was really nothing left for him. it's going to be one way or the other, four years of just being the florida governor, which clearly he doesn't really have a whole lot of interest and because he spent the last year running for president of the united states. he's not going to finish in the top two in iowa, he's not going to finish in the top two in new hampshire. he's going to bypass new hampshire and go to south carolina.

i think the longer this goes, the less impactful it will be. once desantis dropped out, which is inevitable, if you're someone who wants a future, you want your endorsement and your dropping out to matter and to mean something, that's just, i have no path left, i'm limping out of this race, on all the people who decided to run, he has lost the most in terms of star power and potential. he's done the most damage to himself. >> i would argue he's lost a lot more than star power and potential. but you're right. this guy was once favored to be the future of the republican party. definitely not making a dent at this. noelle, let's pivot a bit to the counter program it was all from trump during the debate this week. he was on fox news this week holding his own town hall. it seemed like he was trying to moderate some of his language on certain issues, particular abortion, which has been a galvanizing issue for democrats over the past two years. and his threat to be a dictator on day one, which he said he was going to seek retribution and revenge against his political opponents. do you think he still must --

is doing this consciously? as a conscious campaign tactic as he sees potentially the general election on the horizon now? >> he sees that general election on the horizon, the numbers are plunging in his favor. and, look. we all know who donald trump is. we had four years of donald trump and you can see where that four years with donald trump has caused division within the republican party. huge division in the united states for people that are on the other side of the aisle. i think, usually, when you're in an incumbent it's pretty safe to say that your next election you can pretty much smooth sail into. he did not. biden beat him and much, a lot of people in the republican party say that was due to his personality and the way that he governed the united states. so i think that once you see with these tactics, this is donald trump. nothing should surprise you.

and the fact he's not going to the debates, he's having a town hall, he's doing this on purpose. because he's trying to show that he's the bigger deal. he can go and have a town hall and just speak to what he wants to do, while we are having a republican, a gop debate with every other candidate. so welcome back to donald trump. >> kurt, politico published a piece this week making the case that nikki haley, believe it or not, actually has a real shot to beat donald trump. and i guess headlines have to be catchy and make compelling case when you're working in that 24/7 news environment. do you think they hold any water or is this thing effectively over no matter who wins new hampshire? >> it depends on -- i think it depends on what the margin of victory, is that distance between haley and desantis on some level. and whether or not desantis get out.

if desantis gets out, and it really is between trump and haley, i think the strategy for haley needs to be to basically challenge donald to a one on one debate. that's something we've never seen, going back to 2016, we have never seen trump on a debate stage, one on one with another republican. and his whole brand of machismo and testosterone, is he really going to duck and dodge nikki haley one-on-one debate? is he going to allow himself to be called out by a woman and look like he's afraid of the debate? i think haley, the key is getting him onstage and seeing if she can land a punch on him. we don't know how donald will respond. we only see him debate hillary clinton. we saw some of the ways it was free of putting at the time. how would he do with one of his, on his own u. n. ambassador, hand selected to serve in his administration? i think it's an interesting dynamic that could pave the way for haley if she has a good night and trump has a bad one. >> i think it's a good point

you underlined, she worked for him. she has insight into how he operated. about the way he conducted foreign policy or national security. that could be very damaging. so far she's refuse to do that, but maybe on that debate stage, when dispersion hits, maybe she will. noelle, let's dig into that wait a bit here. assuming haley stays in that race but enough to make it to nevada. apparently she is the only gop candidate sign up for the primary ballot. trump, desantis, ramaswamy are signed up for the state caucus. explain to us what the heck is going on here and what haley's thought process is. >> i think she is going to stay in for the duration and i think this is her way to let everybody know that she is in for the long haul. and if you look at her opinion on the ballot, this is also another play. and this is very important for her to raise funds. and this, this keeps her relevant with a lot of the donors.

and it takes so much money. because she's running against donald trump. she has got to raise a massive amount of money. and i wanted to go back on something that kurt had said. when donald trump was in his primary, remember carlie fiorina? do you remember how he debated her? people were saying, he's not going to be, he's going to tip toe around a woman. do you remember him saying she had a horse face? he barreled into it and everybody -- he was, like oh my gosh! so if he did to paint nikki haley, god knows what hate would stoop to and say to her. so who knows? all bets are off with that. >> there is no bottom to which donald trump won't sink when he's gone after any opponent, no matter if they're a man or woman. noelle nikpour, think you so much, greatly appreciated. kurt, place to correct. got a lot more to just a few. but before, that tonight, later tonight, new polling poll dropped from the des moines register. when that happens, steve

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♪ ♪ at any, minute the federal appeals court panel -- could actually issue its decision. kicking off a legal battle that puts trump's 2024 campaign effectively on a collision course with the u.s. supreme court. for a moment, however, i want to actually take you back to the ex presidents 2016 campaign. when just two weeks before the hour caucuses then candidate donald trump famously remarked he could literally stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and not lose voters. on tuesday, eight years after he made that remarks, donald trump's lawyers took the

argument to a whole new level. >> could a president who ordered seal team six to assassinate a political rival, who was not impeached, would he be subject to criminal prosecution? >> if he were impatient d convicted first. >> so your answer is no? >> my answer is qualified yes. there is a political process that would have to occur under the constitution. >> the atlantic's david a grant coals what you just heard there, that clip, quote, perhaps the bullet assertion of any major american candidate has ever made. greg note and his, base that while the framers of the constitution may have assumed a president would be impeached and quickly convicted if he ordered an act of political murder, with the republican party, that what we are seeing, it is have to say that assumption no longer holds. the danger is not a political. if the courts agree with trump and decide that insurrection merits immunity, what could that empower that disgraced ex president to do if he wins a second term? what kind of green light does

that give him? while his trial as playing out, trump has openly threatened to prosecute his political enemies, deploy the national guard against protesters, even install maga loyalist throughout his federal government instead of civil servants. imagine what that looks like if trump has i get out of prosecution for a card hcan play at anytime? as greg sergeant writes, in a new piece for that new republic, it's about what comes next. hwins on this front, hit the largely unshackled in a second psidential term, free to pursue all manner of corrupt designs and with little fear of legal consequences after leaving office again. let's bring back kurt badella, join the complement my good friend tonight cevallos, criminal defense attorney and msnbc legal analyst. let me get your, thought danny. you're the lawyer here. give me your thought on that legal argument presented by donald trump's lawyer. the judge asked, him if he

ordered that navy seals to go after a political opponent as a hit team, could he be prosecuted? he kind of fumbled that. >> this seal team six think got a lot of press. it's an example at the appellate court level and with socratic method used by law school or a judge or law professor comes up with these hypotheticals, take effect can't separate the weight from the chaff, and get to the real issue. it was really quite brilliant in that exposed really what it's don trump's weaker argument. there are two arguments for the. court really and, since they showed trump to work one because it's this it'll help. i'll tell you. why this was argument, second argument which is a president must be impeached and convicted in order to be criminal responsible. it's based on an interesting interpretation of that contradiction. i love the corridor commence. but what happens is when you get in front of a judge you expose the problems, it doesn't so.

great you should talk to my document, which is. this a president is not entitled to absolute immunity in every circumstance. there are going. that tore i can only president is a mute for something that falls within the auto permit of his official duties. the entire argument for trump, should be what he was doing, investigating corruption and election process. that was within his presidential duties, period, and, that it. and sit down. now they're getting all to august hypotheticals that are of recruitment for their overall case. it really should be devoted to iran are going immunity, and all soon with, or only i can immunity for official duties. which is a thing. it's not the case that for example you cannot prosecute presidents for acts of war. we know that. so we know immunity adjusts and we know it exists for official acts. we don't know the conquerors. >> we don't know whether or not you can make the argument. we don't know whether or not he

has responsibility overseeing elections. elections do not fall under the president and this country. they are full at the local and state level, not the, president. >> one more thing on the seal team sexting. you can imagine, many instances where the president can order a military strike involving seal team six and an innocent person is killed, not a political rival. an innocent person. most of the time, presidents, go to be immune. so you tinker with effect that little bit and your seal team six argument does indicate a mean president in the case of a political reason. that race it does exist, they're sticking to that second argument, you have to be impeached, convicted, only then can you be tried. >> how do you say the connection between trump comments in 2016 and his plan or argument and this appeal? what does a tell us about trump's perception of his own power? because if you break this, down assuming he wins and he's exonerated in this case, you have a president who interprets a electoral mandate to mean he is immune from any kind of legal accountability and the combination of those two forces

unleashed by somebody like donald trump almost country, i would argue, would create havoc and damage that is irreversible. >> let's be very clear. democracy doesn't try and darkness. it dies in corporate shootings like this. we're seeing someone systemically chip away at what ship it was have cards, the guardrails of our democratic process, a republic. here we have someone who's very bluntly, very shortly said, he believes he should be able to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, to whomever he wants with unchecked power. and anyone that gets in that way of, it they should be taken. out that that message we are hearing from donald trump. that's basically what he said since 2016. none of this is a surprise. he's shown us over and over again what heat really is and what his designs and ambitions are for this country. no one should be shot. what is terrifying is we are just a few court notions away from given not just this president, any president, any

candidate, anyone who wants to seek this office the license to do whatever they want, to be corrupt, to do harmful things to our republic. the idea that this would be stamped by the supreme court, stamped with judicial approval is undermining everything our politics is supposed to be. about >> danny, i want your reaction to this. look over his shoulder or her shoulder everyhe oshe has to make a controversial decision, or after a leave office, i going to jail for this with my political opponents take power, that inevitably dampens the ability of the president. >> is that a realistic? >> it is. presidents need not worry as long as what they're doing is squirrelly official. and effect, it doesn't even need to be squirrelly with an official act. i just need to be within the outer perimeter. as we can see, trump is not satisfy. that he can't shelter in a court what he did in january, on january 6th and why are there too, was something anything other than a candidate

looking to stay in the white house. if this was an act of war, any other presidential act, there would be nothing for a president to or about. my best example is acts of war. presidents have engaged in acts all for nate not worry about that decision, even though it's a very difficult. one >> to, any courage, don't go anywhere. i'm going to squeeze in a quick break. we still have to talk about the dramatic into trump's civil fraud trial in new york. his business empire is at stake. but is that what accountability should look like? have heart failure with unresolved symptoms? it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr-cm a rare, underdiagnosed disease

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and eric, not only committed fraud by submitting financial statements that inflated the value of their properties and other assets. and current said thursday he'll try to have a final decision on penalties and other claims brought in that lawsuit by generate 31st. disgraced former president could face up to 300 and $70 million in fines up from james 's original estimate of 250 million. trump could also be barred from cutting businesses in the state of new york. and it was a dramatic finale with trump making a spectacle during closing or comments, engaging in a six minute diatribe of personal attacks. judge engoron told trump lawyers to, quote, control your client and admonish the ex president saying this is not a political rally. we are going to give laetitia james the last word. >> this case has never been about politics. or personal vendetta, or about name-calling. this case is about the facts

and the law. and mr. donald trump violated the law. >> kurt and danny are back with us. donny, i'll start with you. walk us through what we could expect if we get a decision from judge engoron? >> it's going to be $1 amount of damages and we already know it's gonna be the cancellation of his business licenses. which is really that death penalty for a business. someone conducting business in new york. lieutenant james has appeared meant to 300 and $70 million. i did by the judge is going to give her dollar for dollar on her demand. it might try to meet some, maybe not the middle behind. one thing we've seen about justice and current from his summary judgment opinion, which was earlier on the same case, which carved out a lot of the issues, as you said, in your opening. he's very meticulous. he does go through the documents. he's heavy on the dollar amounts. he does run the calculations. i don't think he plucks numbers out of the year. so we can expect a recent

opinion. what's so interesting here is because this is so we want to have a judge on the trial, we are going to get findings and effect on conclusion of law. morris the jury, you get a verdict forum, in four years you wonder what four they think when they hit the check mark or the ex on this two or three paged jerusalem. >> court, let's talk about trump. his outbursts, reaction in court. at the end of the day, it's what trump was going to go for all along. we knew he wanted to make a spectacle of these proceedings. and this was in some twisted sequoia for him in just a campaign stop. >> yeah, i mean, i think that doug trumpy went on in that courtroom is exactly what we're going to hear from him publicly after the decision comes down, if we go to the way we all seem to think it does. this is what he does. whenever any institution, any human tries to hold him accountable, he lashes out. he tries to turn and against.

tim he tries to stick his supporters on the person. this is why we are seeing anyone involved with prosecuting donald trump get threats, get death threats, get police called to their house, get protests. this is the pattern that donald trump is starting to institutionalize now. anytime someone tries to hold him accountable, he's going to unleash the full might of his following on them, make them a target and try to punish them retroactively. >> i've got to ask you, danny, about this other moment here with judge engoron, towards the end of his -- in the closing arguments, in which he basically said there was not enough evidence presented by the prosecution to suggest that donald junior and eric trump knew about the fraud that was being committed in the organization. not so much the case for donald trump, for different contrast between what is alleged the ex president knew about the fraud and what his children knew

about the fraud. >> that's been a central theme of the trump defense. multiple vote. it's been, hey, if this happened, we had people handling this, it wasn't us. we didn't have knowledge of this alleged fraud. the other major prong of their argument is valuation. realistic values could be anything. you add to that the trump brand, which is valuable, and now through even more nebulous. that's consistent with the trump argument the and her time. this shows me, justice engoron is really listening to witness testimony, he's listening to the evidence, he's considering it thoughtfully. and he's not just lumping all the trumps -- >> -- engaging in any political association of history? >> not at all. it's important he looks at it individually to figure out, you may see ultimately a decision that reflect the difference in how he sees the evidence against each individual trump, given protested many, given that documentary evidence. like i said earlier, i've read his opinion on the summary

judgment. it's many pages, single spaced, very thoughtful. he gets into the document and he has to because he's the one, it's not a jury, he's that one issued this final decision. and he knows, as any judge who decides anything and trump land, it will be appealed, scrutinized, and heavily criticized. >> kurt, let me ask about this new relative we find ourselves. and both official james and judge engoron have been the subject of violent threats. on firstmoing police were called to investigate a bomb threat at endurance home, out and long island. it turned out to be a spot and job. is this the new normal now for people who don't to hold donald trump accountable? >> yeah. because we've already seen, after january 6th, his followers, his rhetoric isn't just rhetoric, it's not just theater, not just performance, not a terribly. there are people who follow him to take his word as gospel.

we have seen when he says to show up, stand up, stand, back stand by, trial by combat, there are people willing to do that. and i think we're heading towards a potentially dangerous and tragic outcome, if he keeps normalizing this behavior and the party he wants to lead lines up behind him, turns the other way, tries to ignore it, while letting this guy put a bull's-eye in a target on the backs of people that are part of our traditional system and profit, it will and tragically and every single republican who stays silent, while this continues to happen, every single republican who endorsed him what he continues to develop a thing, they'll have blood on her hands. not one's going to say, wait didn't tables come, this is a shock if something tragic happens. they are all endorsing. it kurt badella, don't try to

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same time. all of it made it incumbent on me to be faithful to them when their blood was that. because they made the sacrifice. and that can't continue. >> do you believe that your reporting do you think it's actually making in this current war? >> i did it to the best of my beloved. a. to my almost ranks in the professional way. maybe it will make a difference. and in for this reason maybe they do make a difference and to have it does have a -- new and the audience understands that. this is what is important for me to do my job for the best of my ability. and to make absolutely certain that i follow the high standards of professionalism. and i look for the truth

without underestimating or overestimating, without falsifying, and to search for the truth because ultimately what happens in gaza is big. it is very big. this is a hot spot. so therefore, there is no need to pull things out of proportion, exaggerate or falsify or provide fake news. on the contrary, to present the naked facts as they are. and to speak to the highest norms of professionalism. this is what will make our stories reach the hearts of the audiences. not on their minds only, because at the end of the day, we are trying to convey what is happening. we are just a link between what is happening on the ground, and the audience throughout the world. i did not use this platform, this rough respectful platform, as a platform for revenge. even though it was a personal thing, and the plane was more than what i could bear. but at the end of the day, i came back. carrying out my tasks and job. >> what i wanted to ask you specifically about something, which is that the international

community of journalists, they have always stand up for each other around the world, defended the freedom of the press, do you and the other palestinian journalists in gaza right now, do you feel that you are getting the support that you need from western journalists, or press organizations around the world? >> unfortunately, we feel like there is some degree of solidarity and help. from our point of view at, least and because it is as who are paying the painful price, we do not feel support is, enough is sufficient, or amounts to the level of the high cost repaying. i told you a little while ago, 106 palestinian journalists have become martyrs as a result of israeli attacks in less than three months. this is frightening and has never have been in other wars, which have been 20 years, according to my knowledge. what happened vis-à-vis those events, maybe a statement here, statement there, some every, nothing more. this pains of, actually. many palestinian journalists feel they were lit down, lift alone to face this massacre and this carnage. and the world did not look at the bigger picture, did not really stand by us as we would

have liked. we feel that we are being killed twice. once but the bombs and once by this silence. this shut way of expressing support. >> let me, if i, can ask you about what you're hearing on the ground from palestinians in gaza. you speak to them every day. you speak to them but more than any of the western journalists reporting on this. what are the people of gaza telling you about the war, about what they want to happen after this war ends, about palestinian factions including hamas in the future of gaza? >> people here are paying a heavy price, a heavy cost. their blood, their children, their lives, their houses have been destroyed. more than two thirds of the palestinian people are in the state of forceful expulsion. the bloodshed continues every day. the fighting, the bombardment. definitely, this is not a left for people. people do not want this to

happen. this is normal, this is natural. the palestinian people are not any different than any other people on earth. they loved life. they love living life. they love to live like anybody else, to travel when they want to and to come back when they want to. to build when they want. to rebuild when they want. to live amongst their kids and can instead of living in a desperate. these are the kinds of things that people love and fear people are not an exception to this or any different. our people want to live in peace, but definitely with the continuation of the occupation, this is very, very difficult. everybody knows that. in a few years, our generations have had to go through five wars and in between many years of escalation. for education, for example. people who want to travel to for the person's, they can't. people who want to travel to get medical treatment, they can't do that as freely as other people. everybody should be able to make that decision to travel

whenever you want, wherever you want, to go on holidays for a second. except for the palestinian people in gaza, and this is very painful. a very high cost. many generations have to live through the severe conditions. what do you expect from people? nobody likes war and people know the high cost of war. but when you squeeze them in the corner, and say to them, what do you feel about war? this is definitely not fair. everybody wants this war to end today, before tomorrow. but at the end of the day, this is not their choice. this is not their decision. this is not in their hands. >> let me ask you, but wael, finally, and i want to ask you not as a journalist but as a father, a grandfather, a husband who's lost so much to israeli bombs, supplied and paid for by american taxpayers. what is your message to the american people and perhaps president biden, who may be watching this interview? >> this is a huge injustice that the police and people or something to. the palestinian families are substitute. the palestinian children subjected to. the palestinian woman substitute. people with special needs and

palestine are subject to. therefore, it's incumbent on president biden being that president of the most powerful state in the world, who can oppose many things, it's incumbent upon him to look with his own eyes at what's happening, what's happening here deserve to be looked at in detail and seriously and transparently. and he should listen to both sides of the narrative, not just one side. it's the right of the palestinian people, margaret is a father who's pain, who paid both the blood of his family to speak out about how i feel. we paid a very high cost for the weapons which targeted were my families was. leveled it to the ground with that higher warning. my family and many other

families. this is a huge injustice, a huge transgression. nobody can do that. i demand from the american president, i advised the president to look at what's happening, to listen to what people, ordinary people, who are paying the cost, and they have every right to secure the rights as human beings, as partners in humanity. nothing more, loving less. >> wael al dahdouh, thank you so much for your time and older insights. i greatly appreciate you spending time with us this evening. thank you. don't go anywhere, there is -- help prevent covid-19 from breaking your momentum. you may have already been vaccinated against the flu, but don't forget this season's updated covid-19 shot too. an alternative to pills, voltaren is a clinically proven arthritis pain relief gel, which penetrates deep to target the source of pain with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medicine directly at the source.

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