was changed forever by something diabolical. >> i don't think there's anything more evil than finding a girl who believes in the best in humanity and who loves other people deeply and making her question who she is, making her question her fate in humanity. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i am craig melvin. thank you for watching. ♪ ♪ ♪ hello. welcome to this sunday edition of morning joe: weekend. let's jump right into some of the week's top stories. >> for 54 years, they were trying to get roe v. wade terminated and i didn't.

i'm proud to have done it. they wanted to get it back, right? there be no question. >> we celebrate. that yeah? >> we didn't. we did something that was a miracle. when i walked onto the stage today, a gentleman in the back, probably works for fox, nice guy, said, sir, that like to thank. you i said, for what? he said, you save 2 million lives in the last three years. you've saved 2 million lives. i said, thank you very much. i know exactly what you meant. 2 million lives. no one has done more in that regard than me. >> that is perhaps the most important emission from donald trump last night. again, breaking, about being the one to eliminate a constitutional right for women's health care that has stood for over 50 years. >> here is donald trump's problem. he goes into, i would call it softball -- a softball event. i've never seen one a fawning.

i'm not sure why they had to host their? you know, they could've just had one to sit there and smile and say, you are great. ask them the softball question. it was like tebow. even teeth all, on the biggest edition of campaign, he swung and hit the tee and the ball will off because he bragged, kathy, about terminating roe v. wade. he said, if it weren't for me, that ten-year-old girl in ohio that was raised by an illegal immigrant, if it weren't for me, she wouldn't have had to flee the state. if it weren't for me, women wouldn't be, like, dying outside of emergency rooms because doctors are afraid to conduct women's health care. he admitted it. again, it was such an easy for. and it's not like he was backed into the corner. he admitted. he was the one who terminated

roe v. wade. what did the biden people the last night? they're hanging out. probably laughing. at all of the republican chaos at the debate. and then laughing at the fox news hosts, who were absolute jokes. it was an embarrassment. fox news, we're going to be for desantis. even desantis's people relate, seriously, this is a paid advertisement for donald trump, which it was. even in that setting, he has grown so old and kabul. actually, i guess, because he thinks he's running against barack obama. he's worried about world war ii starting. even in the most gentle of circumstances, he made an incredible political mistake. he knows it this morning. he knows it. incredible political mistake last night going, i was the one who terminated roe v. wade. i was the one, just me, nobody else could have stripped away

50 years of women's rights the way i done. trump did. >> in the end, it's about me, right? every conversation i've heard about the trump campaign over the last few months has been this effort to paint donald trump with moderate on abortion. he's the one who's going to say, we cannot have a federal ban. he's the one who's going to say to other republicans, roll back the way that you talk about roe v. wade. don't sound extreme on abortion. he said after the midterms that some candidates had jeopardize their positions on the republican side because they had been too tough on abortion. pointing out rhonda santas in that respect. for his campaign ben, which is trying to get him to say, i'm against a federal ban. a 15-week ban, because that's when most of the american public is. most of the american public said -- >> that's nikki haley's position, actually. >> that's what his campaign -- campaign, don trump's position. >> yeah, but he can't do it. let's play the clip again. again, i was shocked when i was

sitting there. i was absolutely shocked. sitting watching. going, they going to, like, bring out some ribs for him? sit there and talk about football? again, the easiest thing. i've never seen -- i've never seen a paid advertisement on fox news, like, anywhere else. this was like going backs survival scenes back when he had a show there. it was an advertisement for donald trump. even in that setting, he did this. >> for 54 years they were trying to get roe v. wade terminated and i did it. i'm proud to have done it. they wanted to get it back, right? you wouldn't be happy. no question. no one was going to -- >> you're still happy about that? >> we didn't. we did something that was a miracle. when i walked on to the stage today, a gentleman in the back, and probably works for fox, nice guy.

>> it's really something, will lay, he said, i didn't. no one else could've done it. i terminated roe v. wade. everybody in his campaign staff was like, oh, my gosh. the old man did it again. he can't help himself. >> yeah. at this point, that biden campaign doesn't have to put out statements. they just retreat clips of donald trump saying this thing over and over and over again. by is doing that. there he goes again, he's taking credit for the three justices in the supreme court. he wants credit for getting rid of a 50-year-old right in this country. you're right, that town hall, they should start with, rather than saying here where the lies are, almost everything he said last night was a lie. and then you can work backward from there, including the fact that he said that the economy is a disaster right now, when he was confronted about the question where he said on tape that he hopes the economy crashes over the next 12 months

under joe biden and that he can help it to recover. he was asked about that last night. certainly lead along, to your point, about, well, he didn't really mean it, right? no, because the market will crash under joe biden. joe biden, the market has gone over 37,000. that's the down number. we can go through all the data about donald trump saying this economy is a disaster, about unemployment, about gdp growth, about unemployment taking down. all of the things that have -- excuse me, inflation taking down. so, you just go and listen to that. if you are being honest with yourself watching that town home, how you could believe anything he was saying, because almost thinks that he said unchallenged was alive last night. people have to ask themselves if that is someone they want to vote for. we will find out in four days if they do. >> a question about this, a question, this is fox news now? right?

fox news was going to be pushing back against him, we've heard all along, they don't like don. they don't like donald trump. all of a sudden, he is allowed to buy. he's given a town hall meeting a format where he's allowed to live the entire time. they're not pushing him back. here is a guy this past week, this past week, who said he hoped people lost their retirement savings. their 401 case. he hoped the economy crashed. he hoped the economy was destroyed. he hoped the stock market crashed. he's just let down the primrose path last night. here's a guy this past week who said, abraham lincoln got it wrong by not caving to the pro slavery forces in the south and settling that dispute and avoiding the civil war. nothing. nothing. there are so many things this guy says every night. and they just let him walk. the media --

>> j6 -- >> yet, j six hostages. you can go on and on. terminating the constitution, executing generals. i mean, you just go down the list. is this -- i mean, it's fine, if that's what fox wants to do. is this who they are now? have they decided now, we endorsed donald trump. it sure looked like it last night. >> i mean, there are a lot of things to deal with here. first of all, yes, it's who foxes. it's who they have been for a long, long time. it's not like donald trump needs prompting to go to these places and the stuff he just said, terminating -- first of all, he talked about terminating roe v. wade. an interesting for choice of words by the way. terminating. >> he keeps saying it all of the time. the biden campaign. they couldn't pay him. to say something worked out. >> you also lose -- it all blurs in the mind. by the way, a blinken didn't overturn roe v. wade, did? he >> like he said, he could be

abraham lincoln to. >> the media, i certainly have no sympathy for fox, certainly handling it like that. but where he began? these last five minutes we've talked about six different things that could have blown up any campaign in history. >> my point is, they didn't mention it. >> they didn't mention one that didn't stop him. those town halls are imperfect. especially when -- let me put it this way, he made plenty of news last night. news in the donald trump context because it's going to really break there next week. forgot the dictator thing. we forgot the vermin thing. it's the same thing as 2016. it's not like you need someone to prompt him this way. this is one of the points. >> you don't need to prompt him. it's nice once in a while, because there is a lie. we had none of that. so, that's fine. you've been prompted, in a situation, again, donald trump

forgets his campaign's message, goes out and just -- just gives, again, the biden campaign the greatest gift they could've gotten last night. >> rare when you see a moment to change dollars and political advertising. that one line would be millions of dollars over the next eight months. it just packaged. he called it a miracle, right? i wouldn't advise this as professional practice, soft ball practice. i would point out, the things that we're talking about, the statements trump has, made welcome when he's got into exceedingly easy form. the dictator, that was a sean hannity interview. we talk about his hope for an economic collapse. sometimes these interviews, again, not advising an interview practice. sometimes these interviews trips in that. he thinks he's in a very friendly form. he gets overly comfortable and he slips. you know, this is going to hurt

his campaign. we are talking about so much. people forget, like, there is a ceiling on the support for the reason. we talk a lot about joe biden and his difficulty recruiting. trump has the same problem. >> i just say, one of the best cons i've seen this week, j.d. lass wrote in the bulwark he said, this is biden's water park. everyone's pitching in whining, everyone's crying, everyone's hair is on fire, they're all running around, democrats bed-wetting in all that. we have donald trump with a ceiling. we know that joe biden has a basement level of support. young voters are going to go home, black voters are coming home. a good bit of hispanic voters are coming, not as much as historically, but enough voters -- of the base, are going to come home. this is going to be terry, spy the way, you're looking at pennsylvania, pennsylvania poll came out. we're starting to see this not

just for joe biden, but fetterman is polling better than he has in a very long time. t.j., i'm going to do this, by the way, you have pennsylvania -- there it is. we have a new pennsylvania poll that has joe biden up 49 to 46. one snapshot. i always look at polls, i never believed. when i was running, i was looked at trend lines. you look at the state of pennsylvania, tread lines are really good right now for democrats. that could change at the same time. sam, what she beat last set, good point. trump set a ceiling. he goes out and says things like that. basically admitted to taking foreign money as well while he was president of the united states, taking a heck of a lot more of foreign money as his whole finally -- family seems to have. under biden, he keeps stumbling on himself. play it really quick. >> there is this report, house

democrats documents that said nearly $8 million and payments to businesses from foreign governments, china included, saudi arabia while you earn office, they say article one of the constitution says you can't accept money from foreign governments will president. which he pledged to divest from business in the second term of the presidency? that's what the reporting. >> i own hotels all over. i don't get free money. somebody runs a hotel room in such and such with much money i get back. i put everything interest and if i have a hotel and someone comes in from china, that's a small amount of money. it sounds like a lot of money. that small. i was doing services for them. people were staying in these massive hotels, these beautiful hotels. i've the best hotels. i have the best clubs. i have the best clubs. i have great stuff. they stay there and they pay. i don't get $8 million for doing nothing, like hunter. >> yes, you do. yes, yes, you do. it's so funny. all of the saudis, all of the

chinese, all of the foreign business interests that funneled into the trump hotel right by the white house the second he leads he sells the hotel, he cashes in on it. fascinating, could have been a follow-up question. what about you diverting mike pence, like, when he was in ireland. they diverted mike pence's flight to go to the other side of the country to stay at the trump hotel. using government money. there is one example after another example after another example. again, not push on. that >> just last week they reported on this big report that came as a result of getting tax returns from mazer's, house democrats oversight committee that he made at least at a very bare minimum, you know, just shy of $10 million in foreign government spending by foreign officials and these countries

like china, saudi arabia, you know, there are a laundry list. all this comment came hours after house republicans held their first -- held their contempt hearing to hold hunter biden in criminal contempt of congress for defying a commercial subpoena an impeachment investigation into joe biden for allegedly being involved in his son's foreign business dealings. the contrast is really remarkable. >> they have zero evidence. they keep making fools of themselves yesterday. another example. like you said, the contrast, the contrast is remarkable. >> you saw trump trying to make this very bizarre distinction and the different types of corruption and why he is viable. this is what -- an industry he's been in his whole life. hunter biden, meanwhile, has no experience in business, but you talk about a ceiling.

it's also fascinating. trump's advisors last night we were texting my colleagues. we reported this morning that they were really happy with his performance on fox news. they felt like he did appeal to a general election by coming out and saying, okay, i know i said i was going to be a dictator on day one, i'm not going to do that anymore. you know -- >> i now. >> you talk about a low bar. >> it was a good night for him, willie. sort of -- >> goodnight. >> what the biden campaign is sitting back. >> the campaign ad. >> cut and paste. coop. up on their site. >> making the social media team's job easy. donald trump's, that no, they cut it off and took my quote out of context about being a dictator. if you are pressing your quote about wanting to be a dictator, it's probably not a great moment. >> stay with us, morning joe: weekend returns after a short break.

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written a new piece for the atlantic and it's entitled, what january six made clear to me. you read in part, quote, january six was another perilous ment for our democracy. it was an attack not just on our capitol, but on our constitution. and some who carried out the assault under lincoln's dome were carrying the crime veteran flag. but on that dark night, congress again projected americas strength and resolve. now, three years later, we are called on to do the same. the thrt to our democracy is real, president, and urgent. the parable of january six reminds us that our precious democracy -- democratic institutions are only as strong as the courage and commitment of those and trusted with their care. we all share a responsibility

to preserve american democracy, which lincoln called, the last best hope of earth. i guess i appreciate those words, they're inspirational. i want to know how you forge ahead and stay positive because this has become incredibly personal, especially with your husband being brutally attacked. we are seeing what happened with hunter biden on the floor of the house on the oversight committee yesterday. just the cruelty of it. the danger of it. it's a different game now. >> it is different. i think that we have to win this election, leapfrog over this. this cannot be the path that we are on for our country. we want to attract young people to be involved in politics, more women to be involved and they tell me sometimes that i cannot risk my family in that regard, especially with small children. it is an opportunity. thomas payne said the times

have found us at that time. we think that times have found us to counter, what's his name, used to be in the white house. the things that he is saying. the messiah. >> the dictator. >> i don't go into. it has been a positive place. we have been blessed with a great president. joe biden is a great president. what he did, in the first two years, working together in the senate and democrats take the credit for because so many of the things we did with one republican vote. some chance we had a few 13 for infrastructure, some four chips in that. and all that we did for climate, all we did to lower the cost of prescription drugs, not one republican vote. he has been great. a vision for a country that is consistent with what our founders had massive vision. again, it honors that vision and honors the sacrifice of our men and women in uniform. again, respects the aspirations

of our children to kill fourth. his vision, knowledge of the issues, strategic thinking that legislating all in the head and in the heart, he's most empathetic and the most empathetic person. he just really identifies. it all comes down to the kitchen table. these are kitchen table issues. the health, education, well-being of the american people, but the economy means to get them when what's his name says he wants the economy to crash. does he care what that means to jobs? look at joe biden, 14 million, more than 14 million jobs created. much of it in the private sector, but under his leadership. what he's done, unemployment going down, inflation on a lower path. we have to bring down the cost of living and president packed in people's lives. we are finding out that casket

he asked, people are appreciating this. they are not sure where it came from. >> how does that message -- how do we connect? that even conservatives, even a conservative like drug baker, who is the editor emeritus of the wall street journal, talked about winners and losers. winner of the year, america's economy. he said, sorry, i know i'm going to upset a lot of people, but as cases all the time, america's economy, joe biden's work on america's economy is the envy of the world. how did we get that message out to voters? >> again, i used to say when i was speaker, i can bake the pie, i can sell the pie, it's hard to bake and sell at the same time. working very hard and now he has to sell it. he has to sell it. again, this is a very

responsible, knowledgeable, valued space person who takes this responsibility seriously. now, it's time to make the public aware of it. >> the pie is ready. >> calling out of the gate. i think they're going to start really pushing hard. >> the members are just -- acknowledge the affordable care act, it was the courage of my members, our members, to tell underneath the ridiculous claims that would be made, john lewis being spat at. horrible. but it was also the outside mobilization. all of the people who understood why it was important. thank god for the nuns. they helped us there. some in their own, shall we say, which i share, their own fate. it is about the aside moments. that's what we will engage. to have people tell us and their own words what that means to them and that resonates with

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michigan, terry peters, he's also chairman of the senate homeland security committee. your hands are full. let's talk about trying to get these hard states, the senators, reelected. how hard is it going to be getting staff in the area? do you have the time? >> we do have the time. we have two great candidates in both of those states, in mohawk montana and ohio. that's why we're making a significant investment, eight figure investment, in the ground game. we have battle hardened incumbents. they are going to face flood candidates in ohio, we're seeing a brutal republican primary. there's no question. we will probably have a very extreme candidate come out of their. when you contrast that to sheriff brown, fought for the people of ohio and has delivered for the people of ohio, i'm confident we are going to win. >> yeah, at the same time, i mean, is he in question? is his seat in question? >> certainly, these are battleground states. montana and ohio are going to be tough states. we are going to have to be focused on it. >> katie?

>> senator, thank you for running the fcc, i know you've been there for a while. really grateful. question for you, in terms of florida, i know abortion access is going to likely be -- maybe it's already for sure on the ballot before that. how is that going to impact the senate race? obviously, democrats have been losing ground there over the past few cycles. with abortion access on the ballot there, is that something you see helping democrats in that state? not just in the senate race, obviously, in the presidential and battleground races as well? >> it's no question that it's going to be a powerful factor and motivates our base. particularly motivating young voters. we saw that in 2020. it was a critical factor for us in our target states there. we continue to see it as a powerful issue. just recently in ohio. so, i would expect it to be very helpful. and then, in our senate race, who are running against incumbent senator who has never won any of his elections. even when the republican tide was behind him by more than 1%. this is a very competitive race. with a ballot initiative that

is likely to be on the ballot in florida, we are very confident. contrast that, we are looking at comp florida legislature, taking very extreme views that are completely out of that mainstream. something as fundamental as reproductive health. >> it's unbelievable what is happening. gentlemen? >> senator, i'm curious about when we talk about this math looking very daunting for democrats. you get a lot of tough states, incumbents military braces. we talked about sheriff brown and the situation in a lot of places, including west virginia, michigan, the races are gonna be tough. arizona, nevada. i'm curious about what you rank as the one or two likeliest democratic pickups. where are you focused on vulnerable republicans that you think you might have a chance to gain a seat? >> well, my focus is that the fcc chair is to make sure that we hold our incumbents and bring all of our incumbents back. my incumbents remind me of that every week as well.

when we bring all of the incumbents back, that get sets at 50/50. if you look at our opportunities, we have two states. we just talked about florida. florida is without question an opportunity for us. we are going to have a great candidate there. texas is also an opportunity for us. we are running against an unpopular incumbent, ted cruz. his last reelection he won by less than two points. it is a competitive state. we believe we have a great opportunity in texas as well. >> senator, just curious, before we close about potential for a border deal. i'm thinking, you know, overarching concern is about getting support to ukraine. >> we must get support to ukraine. we must get a border deal. democrats are focused on that. we want to make sure we are securing our borders. i think we are very close coming to an agreement. i say that optimistically. honestly, i feel better now than i did two or three weeks

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the question, can biden convince americans that his brand of populism is better than trump's? in the rebels, author joshua greene, dives into how populism on the left was galvanized by the 2008 financial crisis, sparking an uprising within the democratic party led by economic populists, elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, and alexandria -- could this propel biden to

reelection in november? josh joins us now. with, that the national correspondent at bloomberg business week. it's great to have you back on the show. we will get the first question to elaine stewart. josh, you wrote basically the first book of a lot of trump books. readers came out first, about right wing populism the rise of right-wing populism. what commonalities do you see from the right wing populism that field trump and the new left wing populism and how difficult is it going to be for president biden to thread the needle and still keep -- keep progressives, but keep the centrists that helped propel him to victory in 2020? >> the big commonality is that there is a huge political backlash after the financial crisis, which, on the, write the story that i told in my last book was how that gave rise to steve bannon and donald trump. but the story i tell him that

rebels is the flip side of that. that it also gave rise to this new movement inside the democratic party led by people like oren sanders and aoc that has really caused a sea change in the democratic party and what it stands for. the book is also the story of how it took safe centrist moderate president in joe biden to begin putting big parts of that agenda into practice. i think a lot of biden's reelection challenge and a lot of what he'll end up going for him in the end is going to be adopting these populist economic policies. even though biden's poll numbers aren't too robust right now, you can begin to see employment numbers and record stock market and the growth of new factories and manufacturing jobs, that things are beginning to turn around in a way that you would want if you are an incumbent president going into an election. >> you focused in-depth on some

of the major characters driving that progressive left agenda. bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, alexandria a -- aoc. what are you surprised about how they learn they operated, not politically, because we see that. but to get policy implemented behind the scenes? >> it's a great question. each one that face the activist dilemma. all of these people are outsiders who stormed the castle. they were part of the democratic political establishment. they all managed to get elected with passionate followings. and then they faced a dilemma. do i maintain my purity on the outside? do i, you know, cater to my social media following? so on. each of the characters in succession decided, no, i'm here to get something done. i have a set of policies that i want to achieve. and they recognized warren and bernie weren't able to win the

democratic nomination in 2020, that the best vehicle to achieve those policies was joe biden. i think one of the underappreciated stories about joe biden as president, and i shake my head every time i see the liberal doomer's out there, he's put large parts of these policies into place. whether it's two big rounds of stimulus after covid, the biggest environmental bills that anyone's ever seen, even though it was dressed up as the inflation reduction act. like, huge victory for aoc and all the people pushing for a green new deal. i think it's an interesting story. but the biggest differentiator, i, think for joe biden, in my book, it's book ended by beginning with the financial crisis of 2008 and the backlash that that caused. if you flash forward to the covid crash, we have recovered much quicker from that. took two years to get all of the jobs lost after covid, it

took seven years after the financial crisis. i work at bloomberg. surrounded by economic numbers all day. all of those numbers really do, sort of, point to to be mourning in america again. what joe biden's challenges going out and convincing voters of that and convincing them that his policies, which are the policies of the populist left, are responsible for that turnaround. >> josh, isn't there overlap between the policies of the -- the economic policies of populist right and populist left? it's so, what are we arguing about? >> yeah, i think there are to an extent. one of the things he knows with joe biden coming in in 2020 was that he did not strip away donald trump's tariffs. i think both trump, certainly biden, biden's administration, understand after the 2008 financial crisis and everything that happened afterward, that there needs to be a big focus on the middle class, in

particular, in places like the industrial midwest. it never recovered from the last financial crisis. you see biden pushing these big industrial policies, trying to reassure manufacturing jobs. i was in pell sylvania couple weeks ago, looking at the ground. they're building a new steel plant to replace the one that was torn down in the 19 80s. these things are working economically. i think the challenge for biden, politically, is convincing people, and especially younger progressives who aren't too hot on him right now, that he's really getting done a lot of one of my three characters were campaigning on in 2020. and i think it's worth pointing out that it any point warren, sanders, even aoc, 2035 in october, could have challenged joe biden for the democratic nomination in 2024. the fact that none of them did speaks to the fact that they understand that he has taken up

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children's book series, ordinary people change the world, is marking its tenth anniversary this year. written by brad maelzer and illustrated by christopher illiopolis. the series has given kids the stories of groundbreaking people like jackie robertson, albert einstein, ray kerry and rosa parks. now, the 32nd installment of the series, detailing the life of a supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg will be out in bookstores tomorrow.

joining us now, the books are there, brad maelzer. as well as the granddaughter of the late supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg. clara, it's good to have you with us. brett, these are so great. where do you begin on teaching children about the legacy of rpg? >> you know, i always start with when they are accustomed selves. that's what kids are interested in. they don't care about supreme court justice. what they care about are the details when they aren't young. we think about our beaches as this serious justice, but when she is a little girl, she just wants to go on adventures and climb trees. back then, girls weren't supposed to do that. it's her mother that breaks that stereotype, takes her when she's a little girl to the library. every friday afternoon says, you can pick up five bucks. the books she likes best part about real heroes, amelia ehrhardt, harriet tubman. in those lessons, she gets the greatest lesson she's going to get, which is, there's absolutely nothing that a

little girl can't do. i want my daughter to have that wasn't. i want my sons to have that lesson. as a book, that's what ruth bader ginsburg is all about. >> tell us what it is like to see her grandmother's story brought to life like this. and what you also hope readers of any age will take from it. >> yeah, absolutely love it. we are so used to the image of my grandmother as older or pfizer, when she was on the court. so, see her as a child in a way that can speak to other children and families, to me, it makes me feel excited that she can continue to serve as the source of inspiration for the next generations and not just those who knew her when she was alive. >> you know, i'm so inspired by the fact that i have a lot of friends who have children, who are four, five, six years old, who are very familiar with your grandmother, which is not always common for supreme court justice to be known. honestly, i think this book is going to help continue this legacy. how do you plan to continue to really make sure that

generations going forward are familiar with your grandmother's legacy and are inspired by it? i think it is such an incredible role model. it's good to see young people so excited about her. >> it's really exciting. every halloween i get images of ruth baby ginsburg in their conscience. on a personal level, helen trying to honor her is to my work, i'm an attorney, i teach law. that's really what i'm focused on. there is so much out there, including this wonderful book by brad that is helping, you, know other people get to know her get to know her three different ways. >> brad, i'm impressed with a list of people that you have done in the series, the series of stun. how do you come, up how do you determine with bitter ginsburg? how do you determine? >> are making artists sit down and we really look as a, what does the world need right now? the best heroes are not the worms you want. it's the ones you need. in this case, if you look at ruth bader ginsburg and think about her, she is someone. we were looking around and say, how do you deal with injustice

in the world? which is a little girl, her mother is a taker on her birthday, instead of throwing birthday parties, or take her to a local jewish orphanage and give out ice cream to the orphans. that's how her mother taught her to deal with the fractures and the justices in society. that's not a lesson she learned in law school. it's a lesson from her mom. that you make change. as ruth bader ginsburg goes on to the court and she makes that change in that legal world, that's all these books are to us. it's a way to make change for my kids, make change with your own kids. teach them how to be better people. >> message for all of us. the book, ordinary people, change the world, i am ruth bader ginsburg. it's out in bookstores tomorrow. author, brad meltzer and the granddaughter of rbg, clara sparrow, thank you so much for joining us to share the book with us. we appreciate it. that does it for the first hour of morning joe: weekend. on this sunday morning. stay right here for another

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the second hour of this sunday edition of morning joe: weekend. we've got a lot to cover, let's dive right in. >> we've just got three days until the iowa caucuses, people are actually going to vote, believe it or not. it's happening. a new poll puts former u.n.

ambassador nikki haley in second place for the first time in iowa. the suffolk university survey, trump still leads the race with 54% of support. second place, 34 points back is nikki haley. at 20%, she's followed by florida governor ron desantis whose focus most of his campaign on iowa. -- 41 points behind donald trump. the bulk of the poll was conducted before former new jersey governor chris christie left the race on wednesday, the kristie hasn't really played and i was not much of an impact there. entrepreneur vivek ramaswamy, they both are in single digits in court in the latest survey. let's bring in nbc news national analyst john highland who is in iowa for us this morning. john, what's going on on the ground three days out? >> well, first of all, notably absent here in iowa, you, willie. joe mika. none of you guys are here, and

i'm not happy about that and worried about it, and i got here and they said -- as soon as i landed last night, they said there's a blizzard coming. a foot of snow in the next 24 hours, and the national weather said life-threatening winter weather conditions in des moines tomorrow, and i thought, i know why those guys aren't here now. >> yeah, i think on caucus night, john, correct me if i'm wrong, with the wind chill is going to be negative 20 or something like that. so a tough night to go out and be with your neighbors to talk politics. >> that's what they're forecasting, i've got to say, i'm looking forward to it. i'm happy to be here, putting my life on the line for morning joe. >> you know, john, we've done enough of these to understand that they are wild swings in the final week, and of course in new hampshire you had george w. bush getting absolutely crushed by john mccain. just absolutely stunned the political world. that was in 2000, and in 2008 it was hillary. everybody --

we were all saying goodbye to hillary clinton. and then she shocked barack obama. and that happens in new hampshire, but i also remember it happening in iowa, so when i start seeing 54 to 20, i don't see a 34 point race. it's the same thing when i was in politics. i never looked at the numbers, i always looked at the trend lines. and i saw where things were breaking, and when i see nikki haley jumping up to 20 out of nowhere, when everybody says she has no ground support, she is nothing going for her there, and i see trump just at 54, this is a race that could end up much closer. this is a race that could end up 40 30. i mean, we've all been shocked, night after night, in iowa. what are you hearing on the ground there? >> well, it's not impossible, joe. what usually happens in iowa is you get someone who gets a late surge. usually is not quite as close to caucus day, but you'll see over the course of a month or

six weeks, someone, whether it's a rick santorum or a mike huckabee kind of coming up, gaining ground really rapidly. a month or so, couple months before the caucuses. haley has been later breaking that that. but as you pointed out, this is a -- nikki haley is not tailor made for this electorate, but there is also something you see in at the polling here which is that there is a chunk, maybe it's a third of the iowa republicans who are just looking for someone other than donald trump. and as it's become clear and clear that desantis is fading, chris christie now out of the race, vivek, not in the race. the race is now, in the eyes of a lot of republican voters, pulling down to are you for trump or are you for who's left? and nikki haley has done a good job in this poll, but there's also a sense that whether you love her politics or don't love her politics, she is the only one left in the republican

party who has a chance of being the non-trump candidates. and that is dawning on people, and it's possible that you're right. what happens here in iowa is that at the very end, all of the anti trump vote kind of cool us is around her. and if that happens, as i said before, she could still end up losing by more than double digits to trump. but that would be a big surprise, it would be a big story out of the caucuses on monday night, tuesday morning, and you know how important what the narrative is coming out of this race, how much that drives things into new hampshire, and how beneficial that could be for her. >> and really, the calendar. it goes nikki haley's way if you look at the gap between new hampshire and south carolina. things go the way nikki haley believes they can go, and go the way a lot of new hampshire experts are saying, that nikki haley could have a big win in new hampshire, donald trump has the loser label around him for a month. we know that might go well for him. john, thank you so much. we will see you on monday.

we want to see you outside in the 15 below. and trust me, trust me, we've all been out there. with wind chill, it's going to be at least minus 45. so we want to see the jacket, we want to see the whole broadcast news thing like we send you to the lucian islands. >> yeah, we're going to do that. the alaskan serial killer case. i will be out there, i feel better about it at the at least said willie or lemire out here with me, but if i'm in, it i will. >> thanks so much. greatly appreciate. it special correspondent for bbc news, opinion editor of the washington post alexei mccann, and the host of morning edition's and up first on npr, steve, and david nations. jonathan omer still with us as well. caddie, you spent a lot of time going around the country going to iowa, i'm curious your

thoughts when you start saying this race actually is getting a little bit more competitive. you're starting to see the rise of and nikki haley, and ron desantis, who's supposed to be a comfortable second there, falling. that, moving towards being an askar risk. what are you saying about those numbers? >> the great thing about these races is that people vote, and as the white house is saying, polls don't phone. when we see people who have voted in iowa, some people who have voted in new hampshire, we'll get a sense about whether nikki haley's rise is a flutter or whether it's serious and she could actually be a contender for donald trump. my sense is that iowa, which barack obama won, of course, in 2008, has become very much more conservative. the college education voters have left the state, it's become much more trump country. you go then into new hampshire, which likes to buck the trend from iowa. obviously has more independent voters, they may now go to

nikki haley. she may pick up most of chris christie's voters in new hampshire as well. at this point, she has to do a very good second. she has to come in quite close to donald trump to really get any momentum, then going to south carolina where she's still seven points behind. if we had to put our -- the massive resources we have around this table from our piggy banks, and put them somewhere, we'd still put them on donald trump getting the nomination. >> put them on donald trump. i would hedge a little bit over here if nikki haley came in -- if it was like 43 to 30 in iowa, and then she won outright in new hampshire. she has to win in new hampshire, and i think she can win in new hampshire. seconds not good enough anymore. she can't be a second. you've gotta beat the guy that's king of the hill, and i think if she beats him, and i think she can beat him badly. again, with history as its guide. i mean, new hampshire doesn't do anything halfway. it's like, again, we see these

massive swings at the end. so if she gets it, the calendar gives her an outside chance. alexei, i'm curious. your thoughts on donald trump and all the chaos that's going around him right now, whether it's the courtroom decision that's going to be made, the middle of this process, chances are good he's going to be liable for anywhere between 250 to 3 $50 million, money that a lot of us don't think he has. he has appeals going up, where his attorneys are saying that he has a right to assassinate political opponents, and size abraham lincoln screwed up the civil war and should be negotiating with the south. once the economy to wreck, wants people to lose their retirement savings. a lot for republicans who've lost seven elections in a row, to sort of taken. i wonder what impact that will have at least on a fairly large percentage of republicans as

they go to vote in iowa and new hampshire. >> i mean, that's the interesting thing. both what donald trump's down ballot impacts will be for other republicans come 2024, but also which voters are paying attention to which version of donald trump he's putting forward. when he was doing this fox news town hall the other night, he was doing his best attempt at disciplining himself and almost moderating, really coming out and saying, no, i won't be a dictator. don't worry. that's not actually what i meant. and seeing all these things that have really gotten us worked up in the press, got voters worked up, really given the biden campaign this ammo to go after him. but then you look at what his campaign is putting out and it's all about retribution and coming up to you because of his personal grievances. and we know that donald trump cannot stay disciplined. we know the second he goes to these rallies that i'll be out in iowa, he will be right back to the trump that we know who is saying all of these really ridiculous things. that will help and the biden campaign as they continue to draw this contrast, but i think

it'll make voters sort of remember, this is what your choice is. you could have trump, you could have trump lite in desantis, or you could have a proper alternative like nikki haley, who hasn't quite alienated those maga voters, though she obviously has room to grow with trying to attract more of them to her side. >> steve, we've -- the media's been criticized for something on donald trump, by being too tough on donald trump, by calling a fascist fascist. drawing parallels with previous fascist governments, where the parallels fit really snugly. my criticism of the media is actually on the other side of it. donald trump's allowed to lie every day, they just sort of slide by. nikki haley said what she said about the civil war, which he didn't say about the civil war. it was written up about four or five times, people are still talking about it. donald trump says abraham lincoln screwed up, he could've beaten in a landslide in an

election, and lincoln should've negotiated away slavery. and what do we hear? nothing. nothing. less news about all of it. and you're talking about how we need to cover donald trump. and you say, we need to challenge others to prove what they say and to know it when they fall short. to use language that people of different views will find hard to deny. some deny it anyway, but we can make it hard to be prepared to weather criticism that is unavoidable whatever we say. it sounds like kind of old journalism there. i think the difference is that you have donald trump, and trumpists, and the greater propaganda. the big lies, they keep moving around, towards orwell, side fascists, pretty good outline. pretty good at propaganda, when he is preparing them to marxists. it takes a special talent. talk about the importance of getting people down. >> i think that's vital, and i

think that's old school journalism. some people have suggested this calls for some sort of new approach to journalism. i think it calls for a better approach to the standards that we have. and talk about sleep -- speaking falsely. you need to hear what candidate says, you need to hear what donald trump set. i've interviewed donald trump, i would interview him again, if he would say yes. but whatever he has to say has to be presented in context. and i think that we have to try to focus on things that are relevant, as opposed to things that are not. >> let's do an exercise. i'm serious about this. i'm donald trump. ask me a question about the 2020 election. >> well first, great hair, the hair has gotten better than in the past. >> you know, i've thinned it out a little bit and i stuck with orange hairspray. >> i guess i could ask some version of this question. how are you going to handle the chaos that comes along with your approach to governance, and also with some of the policies that you promised? the muslim ban, so-called, which caused so much chaos and

had to go to the courts last time. you want to reinstate that, and make it stronger, which arguably means making it unconstitutional. that's what happened last time. and so does the public that supports you, this lace of the public that supports you, do they get a policy that they like, or do they just get chaos? >> what they want is they want order. and what you pride, and what you left wing media dukes provide, and what joe biden provides, that is chaos. you look at the chaos at the border, look at the thousands and thousands of people that are streaming over the border. joe biden is doing that because he knows those people are going to come in. he is going to put them in lines and in every swing state, and they're going to vote for joe biden. what do you think? people aren't stupid. they understand. that's what that's all about. and you know it to. but you are here with joe biden. in fact, you and your -- how much money have you been paid off by the biden administration, as a question?

you drove in in a maserati, how can you afford a maserati? >> it's one that nbc paid for. joe biden is letting those people flatten -- let's talk about that. what i'm going to admit is that joe biden, with all the policies that you, mr. trump, in this pretend exercise, with all the policies that you just favor, joe biden seems to have figured out how to work this islam to get his way, which is what we don't like about you. you were frustrated, because you couldn't work the system. so you need to be better at work in the system. >> like jimmie thomas said. >> we won't be doing this interview live, by the way. we're recording this so we can put it in context with what's going on. >> up next, more of our exclusive conversation with first lady, dr. jill biden. first lady, dr. jill biden. ource of pain

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than any races that you and your husband have brought. a little scary. >> it is a little scary, and i think it's not just for me and for joe. but just to see what happened. i mean, look at the insurrection that took place. it's just so hard to believe that the united states of america witnessed an insurrection. i think americans were just stunned by that. >> i guess they're being called by the front runner, republican front runner, hostages. those who were -- >> or patriots, he doesn't call them what they were. insurrectionists. dangerous extremists. >> and you still want to be in the fight? >> oh, that makes me want to be in the fight even more.

because we have to win. we must when. we cannot let go of our democracy. >> and if you don't? >> i don't know. >> you can't even think about it. >> there are two wars on the world stage that your husband is managing. there is the threat of another trump presidency, which we just talked about. he's a man indicted four times. he is still doubling down on conspiracy theories, flattening the rule of law. many would say that literally everything is on the line. i think you just said thought. this is a massive amount of physical and emotional stress, it would be on any person. your husband is 81. at the end of a second term, he'd be 86. as his life partner of 46 years, is there a part of you that is worried about his age and health? can he do it? >> he can do it, and i see joe

every day. i see him out traveling around this country, i see his vigor, i see his energy, i see his passion. every single day. >> so, to those who say i can't vote for joe biden, he's too old, what do you say? >> i say his age is an asset. >> he is wise. >> he's wise, he has wisdom. he has experience. he knows every leader on the world stage. he's lived history, he knows history. he's thoughtful and his decisions. he is the right man, or the right person for the job. at this moment in history. >> so, democracy is on the ballot, and also something has been lost in this last four years, during your husband's presidency as a result of the trump presidency, and that is a woman's right to choose.

woman's health care. how important do you think that should be in a factor for all americans who are voting in the next election? it feels like we've slip back. i can't believe my daughters -- >> this is what we have to keep fighting. and what joe wants to do is to codify roe. and that's what we have to do. we have to keep fighting. >> are you ever hopeless? do you ever lose hope? >> no. i'm never hopeless. >> so what do you say to people who are really scared right now? >> i would say that things are going to get better. we have to continue the fight, and that's what we plan to do. >> now, i think this is really interesting, but i understand classes resume for you. >> this morning, yes, i had to go to school for a teachers meeting. >> so you still work at nova. paid job.

but in the next ten months, during the fight for america's -- >> i've done it before. i did it last time. >> why is that important? >> i have to have my career. i love teaching. i love my students, i love -- i started a woman's mentoring group, it's just a part of me that i just can't let go of. and joe supports me. >> what does make you hopeful for this country? >> i feel, as i travel around this country, the people i meet, the teachers, the nurses, the moms, we all want the same thing. we all want a good life for our families. and, you know, we have more in common as americans than our differences. and i think that that's what makes me hopeful. and that's what makes me want to continue on to fight for

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senior national politics reporter matt dixon. his new book entitled swamp monsters, trump versus desantis, the greatest show on earth. or at least, in florida, is out today. we appreciate your coming on, congratulations on the book. john heilemann has the first >> yeah, so steve, we have a thing here where you have up -- we were looking for -- this was supposed to be the donnybrook. ron desantis, donald trump, desantis by trump's account, a creature of trump's own power. everybody thought at the beginning of last year, there was a time that he was not only seen as the likeliest credible challenger to trump, but he was ahead in some of the republican

polling, people forget, a year about now. as steve kornacki and just laid out, trump has got the wig, and particularly in iowa, where desantis has spent most of his time, money, and effort, to try to get that evangelical vote, and failed miserably. talk to us about how surprised you have been, if you've been surprised, by how this battle between trump and desantis has in fact played out over the course of the last year, with desantis going down and trump going nowhere but up? >> i kind of have two minds of, it my sort of 2022 midterm mind when rhonda scent is was riding high, the pandemic was in the fall front, he won by 20 points. at that point in time, if you would've told me years where we are a year from now, i would've genuinely been surprised. it became clear very quickly, starting with his late may roll out of his presidential campaign and that it was going to be tough sledding. by no means do i think -- perfect presidential campaign, but as quickly as donald trump sort of pulled the power in sort of the reigns of the

national republican party away from him, after that 20-point victory, was really quick. and i think it spoke to where the republican -- especially the primary electorate, most focused members of the party are right now. >> there's another thing that people have said, i've said this myself, watching desantis on the national campaign trail. that he's just not -- he was someone who we've seen -- governors in the past, people like pete wilson, when you put them on the national stage, they just weren't the political athletes that people thought they were. and i guess i wonder what you think, having watched desantis a close, whether that aspect of this, desantis's performances skills have turned out to be so limited, what do you think? are you surprised with that? and you think there's any chance that he has, in some way, the wherewithal to pull off some kind of big come back and make himself a factor at least in the nomination fight that we are going to see play out over the next couple of months? >> a few things.

being the governor of the state of florida is sort of impressive, but it's much different than iowa and new hampshire. florida is a new -- it's not really a ground game or sort of a diner state like the early presidential states are. so you can be someone who is somewhat untested in sort of the grip and grin game and become governor of florida. rick scott did it two terms before desantis. no one past rick scott as a charming southern politician, but he run three races in florida because you can kind of do it on tv and do it one 32nd at a time. so i think those are really sort of the huge differences between what we saw in 2022 versus what we are seeing in these early primary states. whether he runs again or tries to run again, i think there's obviously some repair that he has to do with republican primary voters, the trump base that we're seeing flex right now has a distaste for desantis right now, and if he wants to do anything in the future moving forward he's going to have to do some work to sort of repair that, i think, and it's

up in the air whether he's sort of capable of that level of contrition. >> the new book, swamp monsters, trump versus desantis, the greatest show on earth, or at least in florida, it's up today. nbc news senior national politics reporter for dixon, thanks for the report and thanks for coming in. >> stay with us, morning joe: weekend returns after a short break. >> woman: what's my safelite story? i'm a photographer. and when i'm driving, i see inspiration right through my glass.

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you said recently that you're very concerned, that was your phrase, about turnout for president biden's -- among young voters. and you are with him in charleston just on monday, with you on that trip. tell us about the energy gap or the enthusiasm gap that you have seen. what do you think explains that, and what should they do? are they doing enough? >> i think we are. we are -- at the moment. we do know that voter suppression is well in this process. and that is what concerns me. whether or not we're going to do the things that overcome the suppression that is taking place. and you can only see a wall of information, which i call misinformation, out there, and people are not getting the actual facts, then that's what concerns me. and i think we're beginning to do the things that are necessary to breakthrough that. and that's why i am getting

texts now from young people. i got this long text, and i was -- star football player, never thought he'd be interested in politics. but now he's saying to me, i'm ready to go. and get me engaged. and this is one of the university of south carolina's best wide receives ever. but he is not ready to use his skill on the ground for us, because he is now engaged. that's a breakthrough, and that's what's beginning to happen. >> that's great. you talk to the biden campaign, and they will say there are three groups they're concerned about. young voters, need to bring them home. i think they will, i'm not so concerned about the black voters. but especially younger black men. and then younger hispanic men, which they were concerned about in 2020. because younger hispanic men sort of like the trump bravado. younger black men, some younger

black men did as well. so if you have the black vote, it's usually going to the churches. the churches are great, it helps reach a large part of the black voting community. but younger black men, can play such a critical role in this election. how does the biden campaign, how do democrats reach younger black man? >> we are reaching them. and it's not going to be through the churches. look, i was born and raised -- so i know what it is to engage with the faith community. but also, the start of my public service career, or as a public security teacher on charleston's east side. and i know how to engage young people as well. and we are beginning to do the things that are necessary to do that. and we've got to remind these young people, that this guy that's leading on the other side, that's the guy that told us what he was with the central part five. we have to remind them of that.

we've got to remind them, this is the guy that did everything he could to discredit the first african american president of these united states. this is the guy that looked in the camera and referred to an african american woman as a dog. this kind of disdain and disrespect, we have to remind them day in and day out of who this guy is and what he is, and we should not do anything to allow him to ever get anywhere near the white house again. >> one other quick question, we've seen barack obama more engaged, going in talking to president biden and michelle obama now talking about how she's kept awake at night worried about donald trump winning the election. how important is it for the obamas to stay engaged throughout the entire election process? >> very, very important. aside from the -- of his campaign, obama and michelle as well, they are symbols and the african-american community, like nothing else. i'm included.

i never thought i would get to see the day that the african american would be in the white house as president of the united states. and we have got to keep them engaged in this, symbolically, if nothing else. so, i believe it's very important for barack obama and when i saw the, i spent about two hours before the charleston meeting, with the president. we talked about the things and the people that need to be involved. and he told me at that time that barack obama had told him he would be very, very active in this campaign. and i was very, very pleased to hear that. and to see the reports of his being engaged, and to hear from michelle obama that she is engaged, that means a lot. if they're not engaged, these people who went out for him the way that he did, and feel so proud of them, they would have some reticence about being engaged themselves. having them engaged means a whole lot to keep the young

african americans engaged in this process. >> can i ask, the president and the vice president both have been in south carolina, both are going back, i think, before the primary. this is the first primary of the democratic cycle this time, because of course, president biden moved it from new hampshire. why is there so much time? is there a word that something's happening that could embarrass them in terms of the primary, because they don't seem to have significant competition. and yet they're spending love time there. >> the man who raised his hand and said biden shall be president, will you go to south carolina? >> i've known joe biden a long time. i know him at a very personal level. he and i have had conversations that i will take to agree with me. i'm talking about being the vice president, we talked a lot. and one other thing that he's very concerned about is anybody ever feeling that he's taking

them for granted. so he is in south carolina as often as he is, because he wants south carolina to know, he wants the african american community to know, that he would be the last person on earth to take them for granted. so he is going to be engaged in this contest, just as he would be engaged with some other state. so i'm not surprised to see him come back, i'm surprised to hear that he was coming back so soon, but i'm glad to see him do that. because you know what they say. you're always taking us for granted. you've seen those headlines. to try to turn democrats -- >> i never take you or south carolina for granted. we are going back to lizard stick it out here. >> an open invitation, just make sure that this time you pick up the check after. >> oh, come on. i think nbc did get the czech lost time. >> jim, joe biden will be

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i'm investigating a phone call. >> police? >> who was it? >> it tried to kill me. >> how can i help? >> there's been an allegation. there's an old case you brought. >> she stabbed her. >> your aware that he confessed. >> what if he's innocent? >> that case was investigated fairly. >> what is he hiding? >> dan is one of the good ones. >> there are things that nobody

can hear. sometimes, you have to go the extra mile. there is no shame in that. >> you've got a confession. >> we need to cover our backs. >> i think he wants to fight. i can do that. >> that was part of the trailer for the new apple tv+ series, criminal record. it's a show that follows two brilliant detectives on the opposite sides of their careers, and the questions surrounding an old murder case. the first two episodes are available to stream today, and joining us now, the academy award winner who plays detective daniel hagerty, peter capaldi. he also serves as one of the show's executive producers, so you are all in on this. what did you love about this when you took this on? >> i thought that it was just such a powerful idea. really, it was driven by -- my wife is the real executive producer.

she's called elaine collins. and she always had an idea about -- she was interested in why people withdrew confessions. when you confessed to a murder, why did often people later say, that wasn't so. so she developed this idea, and i saw there was just this great -- and i kept saying, that looks interesting. if you're looking for somebody, i might be your guy. >> it seems like there's an inexhaustible appetite for police procedurals, anything that touches on -- america, people don't general like to watch for and things. netflix, apple and other things, we had people watching, the dutch, the danish, the british. that presents a huge opportunity, but also a challenge to differentiate and make something that's different from the rest. how do you think about that? >> it's a sort of conjuring trip, or john grueling act. because all the shows have to provide a who done it. there has to be a chase sequence, there has to be a s.w.a.t. team at some point.

guns have to come out, there has to be a shoot out. but also, you have to delve into the characters. you have to have interesting characters. i think that's what we do. i, mean sometimes some of the shows don't really -- the detective at the end of the season is the same as he was at the start. we wanted to do a show in which the consequences of the events we really had an effect on the central characters. >> you have been in some pretty heralded british television from doctor who to the thick of it, where we were just talking about off camera. how has the change, making premium prestige television, which you've been doing for a long time, how is it changed now? how does it feel different to be aiming for the kind of audiences that navigate these things? >> it's extraordinary because the way that technology has changed, the way that our show today becomes available in 30 countries. just at the press of a button. in the old days, even with the thick of it, or doctor who, you do the show and it might get

sold to australia, might eventually get sold to america. but it would take six months to a year. this is instant. and that's a really good thing. and also, the shows don't have to succeed this week. you know, people are always saying to me, have you seen this show? have you seen that show? and i catch up. the show might have come up six months ago. >> i know you probably need to catch up on colombo. you are little behind, but are you going to watch this? one last now and you have physically really pre wednesday neater cabal thank you very much congratulations on this latest project because conversation first lady dr. jill i know it's like to perform through if you are like

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who are making the business around the world, i'm looking in what they're doing. i'm realizing my advice to my younger self was to slow down. and to enjoy the moment. take some time off. you know? do what you want to do. let things happen as they happen. instead of trying to chuck off 1 million things. >> i kind of think the opposite. >> tell me. >> do everything. try everything. why not? i think, i agree, were saying

the same thing. and -- there isn't a rush. there is no ticking clock. i do want to ask you for some advice, for women who are very concerned about the future of our country. especially since we have women in this room who are going to grow up in a world grow up in a world without rights we have. we seem to be going and the wrong direction. not only what is your hope and inspiration for them, but what can they do? >> there is so much they can. do there is so much they have to do. we have to start electing leaders to positions that will think the way we think, what the things we want. good education.

we need childcare so people can't work. we have to fix the and byron meant. there is so much we need to do to find your passion, do whatever that is, whatever you want to be involved with. go for it. even if you are working in another job, find the time to change, to create change. that is the only way we're going to get to where we want to be. >> that does it for us on this addition of morning joe. msnbc the weekend starts right now. >> good morning, it is sunday, january 14th. i am alicia none does, with simone townsend, and michael steele. these are the stories we are following today. we are one day into the iowa caucuses. the standard poll shows donald trump has a commanding lead.