thing. you go into dangerous places. when they kill journalist, you'll have more people telling you, don't do this, it's too risky. >> i was almost killed multiple times when i was in ukraine. i literally, i was almost killed by a russian airstrike, four of the soldiers i was withdrawing that struck were killed. it is not an easy job to do at all. mind, you with 15 to 25 pounds of protective gear on you. one of the things that my work resonated with so many people is the passion and the humanity that i want to the ukrainian people, as they were experiencing it. i think that the contradictions that i see is that in palestine, there are people who are, like me, when i was in ukraine, were without a government sensor. no one was telling me what to do or say. but in gaza, it's a vastly different experience. people can trust my voice about what is going on there. the problem in palestine, the problem with the palestinians,

which is always been the case for people of color, journalists around the world, they are the only people who can talk about their humanity. so why that mainstream media complex is saying, we do not believe you. you are not telling the truth. nothing that they, say nothing that -- so when i see these people, when they raise their dead children before cameras, i have so much, it's got fronting. i've been to palestine myself. i honestly look at them, and i start, i pray for them. and i look at them and say, no matter how hard you try, there is a larger media network that is going to look at your baby, those dead children, the way they look at the children and the people who i was helping in ukraine. until we do with the racial dynamic of what's at play here, be honest, it's not going to change. >> thank you, my friend. and >> reporter: independent journalist terrell jermaine starr's is independent journalist and founder of block diplomatic and has an official

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-- it is down a little bit from what he had, 52%, 51%, it was 51%. now it's 48%. he still has a 28-point lead against his next competitor, nikki haley. his support rose by 4% versus december. ron desantis first choice slipped by three points from last month. it's a little bit of a gap going. the record margin of victory in iowa's republican -- was 13 points, it was set in 1988. if he wins anything >> reporter: he according to is going to this, he will make history.

make history. and he's already making history, because he is the first former president to be running for office while under criminal indictment. but anything can happen in iowa, the weather there is perilous, to say the least, and the caucus format can be challenging for getting out the vote. so here's how it's going to work. tomorrow, iowa republicans will hold caucus meetings in person, at more than 1600 caucus sites. at seven pm local time, they will check into their corresponding precincts where they will hear a speech from representatives from each candidate before voting in a secret ballot. the iowa caucuses marked the first time that donald trump has returned to an election of a time since he lost the 2020 presidential contest in sight of the january 6th insurrection, and wrapped up his ever-growing list of legal troubles. he's going to have his official come back to electoral politics, you had some eligibility to run for office is under review for the supreme court. tomorrow's results will also tee up the race to come, and unveil who trump's main challenger is going to be. the moment, it appears to be

nikki haley, though she is still polling far behind trump. there is evidence that trump himself might see haley as a growing threat, as he has targeted her this week with the same kind of false attack that he once used against both ra obama and ted cruz. trump pledged to a six half million followers on truth social, but hailie, ironically, is ineligible to be president because her parents were not u.s. citizens when she was born. well that part is true, but that has no effect on her eligibility to be president. nikki haley was born in south carolina, and has lived in the united states her entire life. joining me, now nbc news correspondent dasha burns, live from des moines. now on this you said last time, josh was there for. us vaughn hillyard, donald trump assad to host a rally later today. steve benen, joining us today. he's a producer for the rachel maddow show, and he's a editor for the rachel maddow blog, and the bulk of the impostors. our publicans quick governing and seized american politics. vaughn, let me start with you.

i'm at a place when donald trump is at a place going to attend, unlike vick ramaswamy, on like rhonda santas, donald trump has not been every county in the state, he's not been doing the things that are traditionally associate with winning this primary, and every poll suggests he's not going to win, it it's gonna be a blowout. so what is it that he's actually doing in iowa? >> reporter: he's about to have his first rally here since last weekend. he had two events that were canceled yesterday, wanted to events canceled. we're about 30 miles south in indianola, we're gonna be holding this midday rally. i can tell, you it is negative 41-degree wind chill outside. and we can see the lines coming in here, it is deadly cold outside. and yet the masses are back out here here forum. there's empirical evidence over the last eight years, purely anecdotal, from events, other events that have been frigid cold. not quite this cold here, but then again today. when i asked folks a question, you know, will you still show up tomorrow night for the caucus, despite these weather

conditions, the weather, i consistently get is, yes. take a listen. a fuel of hosts i talk to outside. folks that are not here from iowa, they question, will trump supporters turnout on caucus day? >> absolutely. >> other three blocks from a caucus location, i can walk to if i want to. >> i'll be there. >> reporter: did you get stopped from its think you wouldn't come back here for today? >> no. nope. >> reporter: how long were you allowed to weigh in these temperatures? >> i can walk right back to my jeep over there. >> we'll get it eventually. >> reporter: ali, there are 1600 caucus locations around the state in neighborhood to neighborhood, you heard it from these folks here. folks already packing the rumor mill two hours away from donald trump taking the stage. and honestly, it's reflected our new nbc misdemeanor poll. and which 49% of folks who said they're going to be caucusing on wednesday night for donald trump said they are extremely

enthusiastic about boxing for him, compare that to nikki haley, just 9% of the votes that they are extremely enthusiastic. this is a movement that may not be the whole republican party today, but the education, at least here in iowa along the republican a electric, but it could still vary one be the strong majority. >> reporter: dasha, let's talk about the enthusiasm. donald trump has not just the numbers and iowa right now. he's got the enthusiasm. when you've got the same poll that's come out, it's got not the same level of new zealand for nikki haley. now those people that vaughn talked to talk like their fight, they've got their house three blocks away, got a jeep, there they're laughing at the rest of the reporters thinking, why are you also carrying on about the cold? but if the enthusiasm is not as high for nikki haley, that actually does potentially cost her when you combine it with how cold it is. >> reporter: exactly. that is a problem. and right now, typically, candidates would be furiously crisscrossing the state today, over the last couple of days.

but as van said, events have been canceled, events have been delayed, and that is a problem. and look, when you look at the margin between haley and desantis, it is pretty small right now. and you look at the ground game difference between the two candidates, desantis has had an infrastructure and an operation here in iowa since june of last year. and this is where it could actually make a real difference. because, when it comes to caucuses, you really need organization. you set it up on the intro there. a caucus is different than a typical primary. you don't just come in whenever you want, check a box on the ballot, and leave. it is a process. so you've got to get those caucus goers to those locations, and desantis does have a bit of an advantage there. they've poured in a lot of resources to make sure that they have those folks in those local areas really minute in those local communities. they've been in touch with those precinct captains, they've been in touch with the

caucus goers to make sure that they are able to go out and get out. and if you don't have the enthusiasm, you should at least have the operation. and nikki haley does not quite have that. she spent a lot of money on ad dollars here, but not necessarily on that field, in that ground game. so that might be a challenge for her, at the same time, given that she has gotten herself into second place. the concern for the former president though, while he has a ton of enthusiasm, a lot of his folks are in rural areas. which means that they might have to travel longer distances, and it because he has such a significant lead, they are a little bit worried that people might say, hey, he's got in the bag. you know, why do we need to go out there? maybe he needs to change his rhetoric on the campaign trail, saying, pretend we are some points behind. pretend we are running from behind, we show up, and send a big message. so who is this cold going to

cost the most is the question mark, but certainly, enthusiasm and ground, ali. that is really, really going to matter when these temperatures, i came described to you. it is really brutal out here. iowans are hurting, but this is something else. >> reporter: i grew up in canada, i'm used temperatures. but that serious stuff. that would make the rest of us stay home. steve bannon, i never really want to roll my eyes when donald trump does his anti immigrant birtherism stuff. can't be that much of a describe. donald trump's on this price gonna be tomorrow, he is deathly got an eye on nikki haley, and what she threatens if she gets closer to him. but first, he comes up with a lie that she's not eligible to run for president. that's entirely just probable and untrue. but what is your take on nikki haley and donald trump at the moment? >> the fact that he went after with the birth attack suggests he is concerned. when you look back, you look at

the landscape here, trump is not going after people there is not concerned about. he only targets people he feels like might be a potential threat. the fact that he won after ted cruz because he was concerned about ted cruz eight years ago, and going with the birther attack, you know, we're doing that and he suggests that he's probably seen some internal polling suggesting that the gap is narrowing between her candidacy and his own. and what we look forward to this and elsewhere, i think we are reasons to believe that they have a strong second base candidate. we are also based -- the other day we saw nikki haley not give a caused the civil war, because she doesn't want to alienate goers in the event as a minneapolis to donald trump, and she gets to be the main candidate. but here's the interesting thing that came out of this morning's polling. it shows that half, nearly half of nikki haley's backers would vote for joe biden over donald

trump if trump came to republican nominee. that's the second line there. 23% of heavy supporters say that of donald trump became the nominee, they would vote for him. 43% say they would vote for joe biden. what does that tell you the? steve? >> sorry. yes. i think that that suggests that there is a percentage of the republican base, it's not a large percentage, it's not the -- it sees donald trump as simply unacceptable. we mismanaged's presidency to poorly, he is too radical, he is two criminally liable, and they often consider the possibility of voting for something else who is not the republican nominee. and i think that right now, we see them rallying behind haley, and that's the kind of constituency we have to keep an eye on in the coming months. because of donald trump does not lock him down, that is a boost of joe biden's odds that much more. >> reporter: on the other hand,

there are some democrats that are concerned that if, for whatever manager reason, don trump stops him from running for president, that nikki haley as polling indicates that she's a formidable challenge or to him. >> that's right, although i think we should get some greater clarity on that very shortly. >> reporter: very good. all, right my friend. thank you for being with us. thank, you dasha. ivan, it is absolutely warm as you can for as long as you can in iowa. steve bannon is a producer at the rachel maddow show in the author of the impostors, how republicans quit governing and seized american politics. still ahead, 2023 was the hottest year on record. almost every day since july has seen a new global air temperature. i'll explain the alarming implications, next. and we've all seen at least i will pause with the twice impeached donald trump topping the leader board. what would a second trump term look like, and what would that mean for democracy? plus, it's easy to remember how joe biden landed in iowa in 2020, in fourth place. it was only a key endorsement

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why don't we just switch to xfinity like everyone else? then you would know what year it was. >> reporter: special counsel i know what year it is. jack smith january 6th case against donald trump is currently on pause as trump's lawyers appeal the case to the d.c. circuit court of appeals on the extraordinary claim that donald trump should be immune from criminal charges related to his effort to subvert the 2020 election. but his lawyers pushed this mean the argument to a shocking extreme, claiming that a presidents immunity is so broad that he could order a political assassination. and as long as he is not impeached and convicted, he would be immune from any consequence. >> could a presido ordered seal team six to assassinate political rival who was not impehe, could he be subject to criminal prosecution? >> if he were impeached and

convicted first -- >> so your answer is no? >> my answer is qualified yes. there is a political process that have to occur under the structure or contribution from the senate. the president has to look over his shoulder herschel to every time here she has to make a controversial decision before or after i leave office, and one itself of this, and my political opponents take power, that inevitably dampens the ability of the president. >> reporter: well, i'd argue that, yes. a president should look over his or her shoulder, and should think twice before committing a potentially criminal act. we don't need to use very much creativity at all to determine what an immune, vindicated, donald trump might be capable of in a potential second term, without going as far as judge pan did in her hypothetical of ordering it seem till six to murder a political rival. we've already seen donald trump attempt to pressure the department of justice to declare the election results corrupt. we've already seen a trump attempt to pressure election officials to, quote, find more votes, as he did with the

georgia secretary of state in 2020. and no vowed he would again be able to do that withmpunity in the next midterm election in 2026, or perhaps even in 2028, when perhaps he'd be inclined to run for a third presidential term. we've already seen club -- trump pledge reputation, trying to go after biden and attorney general fani willis, to name a few. just this, week trump warned that there would be quote, bedlam, in the country if the charges against him resulted in him losing the election. with complete immunity, what there is there to prevent him from having more of a political pressure and bribery and violence if the court rules in favor of trump on the matter of immunity it would be giving him through very dangerous ingredients. he would prove embody cannot be prosecuted. it would mean that he will not, as his lawyer, john sour, said, look over his shoulder and second guess potential illegal activity, because he will have no fear prosecution, and he will feel vindicated in his

insistence that the case against him have been politically motivated. if we have said of trump so far during his four years in office, and the three years since his defeat, if all of the unabashed abuse of power can be considered measure action, than what we have seen is a version of trump who was still acting under the assumption of at least some kind of criminal accountability. if the court rules in favor of trump's near universal immunity claim, we may get trump unleashed, even more on bolden than he already is. after a quick break -- and joyce vance are here to explain how further bad this could get. explain how further bad this could get. could get.

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tuesday about the novel nature of john sour's claims at the third circuit court, and how they mix the political and legal. but let's take this one about looking over once shoulder. donald trump is making the argument, or his lawyers are making the argument there will be a floodgate of things that will happen to presidents based on all the decisions that they make, while in office, if you do not hold the president immune. we're talking about criminal behavior. at least that's what we should be, presidents, i don't know that there's anything wrong with the idea that the president might look over their shoulder if they're going to commit a crime. we would kind of like them not to commit crimes as well. >> yeah, i think that's fair. and the remarkable thing of sours argument is that, he had a far more modest sort of attacked. he could've conceded that some of judge porn's hypotheticals or beyond the scope of the president. no president should ever order seal team six to assassinate

political rival. that is beyond the outer periphery of a presidents duties, so no immunity. but that was not the approach trump's lawyers took. they took this expansive approach, asking the federal judiciary to embrace the notion that nothing a president could do could be criminal, and that, i think is the real problem here. and as you say, we wanted them to look at the margins. we want them to be incentives in place, not to be put in place. what trump's lawyers advocated for is where president is truly above the law. the >> reporter: roof, that puts us squarely into your period. that you've always said, once these authoritarian regimes don't start with the toppling of a government, or revolution. but sometimes it happens like this. little positions here in there that caused the person in charge to accumulate more power, and have it proven to them that they can use that power.

>> yeah, and i would say given that we heard the audio clip, the fact that trump's lawyer was referring to killing a political opponent, is simply a controversial decision, tells you a lot about the total lack of morals, or maybe the authoritarian version of morals that we are working with here. and to remind everybody that authoritarianism is a political system, that i executive branch and leader ranges government so that not only is past problems of which trump has many, his ego problems will go away forever, but that he'll be able to do whatever he wants without paying any consequences. so the fact, there also, is that it's always worse than you think it's going to be. that's the other rule of authoritarianism. people don't imagine what can be done. and they're always surprised, around the world first century, that it's so bad. >> reporter: one of the things that trump wanted, there was seems there were two moments in

court where he reacted. one is this idea that he should be president it would look over their shoulders. and the other is the idea that this will open this up to political persecution and prosecution. donald trump wants to live in a world where this is a motivated prosecution, because it is january, he is the front rather for the republican nomination. so it falls into this world of, you can't go across as president, you can't prosecute me after a president, you now can't prosecute me because i'm running for president, and what he wants for president, you will be able to prosecute him. it is a weird thing. it is not just the presidential immunity. it's everything to do with all trump immunity. >> yes. it's a personalization. this is what authoritarians do. they personalize governance. so, in fact, his whole victimhood thing, we are he is setting up for his followers that he may have to take extreme action, and even assassinate a political rival because he, and they, will need to be protected.

so the victimhood, i am persecuted works to give a rationale for why they need immunity. and it's been like this ever since mussolini. all remind people, the first dictatorship was set up because mussolini had been -- he was fingered for being part of a political assassination, need to make his problems go away, because needed to at least be prosecuted, so he declared dictatorship in 1925. >> reporter: joyce, we've all depend on the idea that the law works. the institutions largely work. donald trump may have tried to subvert some of them, but generally speaking, other than the policy decisions, things like the fall of roe v. wade, that the institutions held. now that we understand this way of thinking, i understand all trump is gonna try and get out of a political prosecution. if this really does fall his way, are you concerned that

there will be a greater motivation to actually subvert the law? the >> first also i'm not concerned about the outcome of this immunity argument. as we've discussed, the immunity defense that trump has put up would cause this case, and possibly others of the criminal prosecutions against him, to be completely dismissed. but i think, for some of the reasons that you have touched on, this is not an argument that is going to be appealing with the court of appeals. i don't think it will be appealing to the supreme court. they've made some decisions on matters, and i will just say of policy, like abortion, or other issues, involving the way the executive branch works, that seemed to be out of bounds, according to scholars who look at legal precedents. but when it has come to core democracy issues, the courts have been much more protective of the constitution and the law, like they were following the 2020 election, and as they've been in some of the earlier rulings involving trump, and

whether he has to follow the law, like anyone else would have to. so i think we don't need to be alarmist on that front. but as ruth says, things are always worse than you think they are going to be, once a dictator gets hold. and we know from some of the early comments that trump has made, and some of his planning, that he would plan to completely corrupt the law, to disrupt the justice department, to turn it in a political arm of the presidency, rather than a quasi-independent body that looks at criminal cases, and engages in prosecution based on the facts and the law. so there is significant reason for alarm, whether he succeeds with this motion to dismiss the criminal case based on presidential immunity or not. >> reporter: i always wonder, ruth, how much of this is legal. because what we saw was a legal argument the other day. and how much of this was donald trump. they've been saying that they've been able to campaign, he said no obligation to be in court when he was there on tuesday, of his own volition, in a role there. but, in iowa, a number of

particular evangelicals, who were talked about this, with whom we've spoken, in the new york times has written about, and tim alberta has written entire book about. they are believing this line about, i'm being prosecuted for you. you and i talked about this, we start seeing these things. and i thought, why would anybody believe this? because nobody else is being prosecuted. they made the connection to jesus christ dying for their sins, and donald trump being prosecuted for them. and it is working. >> reporter: i believe it's been strongmen, because they believe in him. that is the import of the cult of personality, the leader colten all of this. once people bond to the leader, and believe that he has moral reason to be in power, and then religious institutions enable him by saying, oh yes, he was placed there by the will of god. so there is a moral rationale. there's also emotional bonding.

they want to protect him because he's a victim. and all of this has been very powerful in history, and it's repeating in america today to contrast the scenario we're in about four. but >> reporter: it's remarkable to witness, thanks to both of you for analysis this morning, with beget is a professor and why you, in the author of strongmen, from islam to the president. joyce vance is the form united states attorney and co-host of the sisters and law podcast. thanks to both of you. still ahead, 2023 broke a record that you really want to break. it was the hottest year on record. record. n tub is the best in it's class. the ultra-low easy step helps keep you safe from having to climb over those high walled tubs, allowing you to age gracefully in the home you love. and now, back by popular demand, for a limited time, when you purchase your brand-new safe step walk-in tub, you'll receive a free shower package!

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four years ago> i recall who waa four years ago -- >> reporter: buttigieg, who actually received the highest number of delegates because of the state rules. as for joe biden, he finished down in fourth place behind elizabeth warren, a distant, fourth actually. and might even fire worse and

new hampshire primaries, where he finished fifth. he rebound a bit in nevada, but came in at a very distant second there. for some campaigns, lackluster results like this could've been the end of the time of. but after this, biden received a key endorsement from south carolina governor james clyburn who quickly turned things around. just three days later, biden resoundingly won the south carolina primaries, surging head of his opponents with nearly 50% of the overall vote. when people say black democrats deliver the presidency to biden, that is literally what happened. in south carolina, he received 61% of the black vote. the core of the democratic base in the state. as there came at a time to help students with super tuesday, ultimately, he came out in ten of the 14 states where contests were held on super tuesday, cementing his front runner status. then, when all was said and done, at the general election in november, exit polls showed that 92% of black voters voted

for biden over donald trump. but in his first four years as president, biden has been unable to fulfill some of the campaign promises that he made to the black community. voting rights reform legislation failed to gain enough legislation in congress's his first year in congress -- in office. and the same time, many states have lashed on to trump's lies on election fraud, and have enacted laws that actually made it more difficult for people to vote. and as the economy has recovered and it continues to improve, the poverty rate america remains a stain on the reputation. 37.9 million people are talked about in states, released by the u.s. census bureau. and that includes more than 8 million black americans, or 17% of the country's entire black population. pandemic era policies help to temporarily lift millions of people out of poverty in this country. in 2021, the expanded child tax credit called the child poverty rate to sink to a record low of

5.2%, three point million children. when that program ended in 2022, the child poverty rate shot back up to 12.4%, representing a total of 9 million kids living below the poverty line. that meaningful change for some black americans over the last three years has led to a disillusion in frustrated electorate. a national survey conducted by nbc news in november found that support for biden among black voters has fallen to 69%. now compare that to exit ports that have biden support 92%. other polls have trip similar results. as the election season heats up, one of the first trips biden took this year was to south carolina, where he reunited with a congressman clyburn, and he met with voters on monday. the president also gave a speech at the mother emmanuel ame church in charleston, where nine people were killed by white supremacist in a mass shooting at the church in 2015. but that is not just the black

vote that is causing concern for biden's campaign. support among younger voters and progressives has also fallen in recent time off. in the stage, the biggest question hanging over biden's campaign is how we can re-energize and coalesce support from all these groups that were part of the coalition that got him elected in the first place. joining me now is my old friend and colleague, garrett haake. he is joining us from iowa. garrett, it is great to see you. i know you are at a trump rally. but this is what the issue is. the biden coalition got him elected last time around, there are question marks around it. >> reporter: that's right, ali. and believe, me the trump campaign is very aware of that. they're making a very aggressive play, particular target african american men in this race. because i know that they are such an important part of biden 's coalition, and they think that they are vulnerable to that kind of messaging, the messaging specifically on the economy. look, if joe biden is going to get four more years in the white house, he's going to do it with the overwhelming

support of african american voters. and if that support is not, there donald trump could easily find a way to win by those narrow margins in some of these states. so when you're talking about that coalition, you're talking about different messages for different folks. because african american voters tend to be far more moderate, and far more towards the center of democratic party, that is the base that was waiting for joe biden in south carolina, and the primaries in the last cycle that have carried it kind of across much of the super tuesday states. an african american voters are not necessarily aligned with the progressives who might be pulling joe biden in a different direction. so for his campaign, and his white house, it is gonna make our commander-in-chief over the next ten months. you, know this is going to be one of the crucial balancing act to make sure that you are talking to both of these constituencies, and messaging on the different issue sets that they're caring about. because you're gonna need high levels of progressives, and probably 90% plus supporters of black voters, again, if joe biden is to make a second go of this.

>> reporter: good to see you again, my friend. keep warm. joining me now is the reverend william barber the second. he is the president of repairs of the breach, co-chair of the poor peoples campaign, a national call for more revival, as well as the founding director and professor of the center of public theology and public policy at the yield divinity school. which would give the viewers the impression, reverent, that you are a man of the cloth, a man of religion, which you are. but for the purposes of my show, and our friendship, you are a bit of an economist. you drop very, very clear lines between the number of people who are suffering economically in his country, particularly those who fall below the poverty line, the working poor. and our political necessities that we have right now, please tell me your thinking on this. >> you know, over 52 million people in this country make less than 15 dollar wage as minimum. >> reporter: we got unable to

that, but a democrats to republicans blocked it. when we talk a narrow terms, at the same old category. the vote we better be going after is the 87 million poor and low income voters. the 60 million that already register, that make up more than a third of the electorate. there is not a state in this country, we're 15 to 20% of poor and low wage workers were mobilized around and agenda, but they could not determine the outcome of the election. but you're not going to occur to them if you can't see, them look. give us the power, and we're going to pass this minimum wage that we have not raised since 2009. we are going to pass voting rights make the connection between voting rights, and health care, and economic justice, and wages. and i don't know why we are going to see this, and on a tour, eight states are going to. and then on march the 2nd, we are going to have a 30 state capitals, gatherings, called time to take back the, mike razor, voice and register our votes around an agenda. it is with religious leaders, and people of faith, and

advocates. because the sleeping giant in this country are poor and low rich voters. real quick, did you know that in florida, it would only take 1% of poor low registered voters, 3% had not vote in the last election, to change the number since they had a governors right? 19%. 1% in michigan. the numbers are there. but we've got to break from this moderate thinking. and it's not even radical, because certainly 80% of americans want a living wage. they want health care. we've just got to have the courage, the moral courage to do it. >> reporter: look, there are many measures by which joe biden, particularly as he got into office, and put that money out, has done a good job with the economy. the criticism, and you can list all of the places that are good. the criticism is the number of people who are still in poverty. that is not a problem you need to this administration. but it is becoming a reflection of the presidency, whether he likes it or not. because that is how the economy goes.

people hold the people in power responsible for it. and part of the problem, as you said, is that not enough people are talking about these particular issues. it is not a heavy lift to go from a seven and a quarter an hour minimum wage to $15. the economy is doing part of it already. >> that's right. and it is the congress that then served. it is two democrats, blocking at the pass of the voting rights. eight so-called moderate democrats joining to publicans and block. but we passed things and block minimum wages. we passed things during covid, but we made them temporary. so what i say, i said to senator schumer. you had to call a part on living wages. did it go in the, senate forced the house even deny or pass it. and then say, if you give us the house, will do in the first 50 days. you have to do the same thing with voting rights. but what you can't do, is what you passed temporarily. and not speak to people's needs. they're still over 120 plus

million people, even with the way poverty came down some with the temporary things during covid, over 120 million americans who are poor and low with. you can your the, you can't to say, we did this. people want to know, if you get the power, and you control in the senate, the house, and the presidency, what will you do? and god knows, martin luther king said that the greatest enemy to civil rights and economic justice were not the extremists. he said, it was moderates who are more interested in order than they were interested in justice. >> reporter: reverend, good to see you as always. it's a reminder that for martin luther king day, it's not a holiday. it's a date for social justice and reverence. the co-chair of the poor peoples campaign, among other things. that does it for me, thank you for watching. catch next year on et cetera and sunday morning from 10 am to noon eastern. be sure to tune in tomorrow starting at seven pm. rachel maddow will lead analysis of the iowa caucuses,

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