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caucus day, and it has some beef with new hampshire's primary. he is sidelining it, why? congresswoman barbara lee is here to read between the lines for us. and there is a nationwide uptake in swatting's across the country. what is behind these criminal hoaxes, and how do we rein them in? i am a man with a dean, let's do it. >> after months of speculation, polling, punditry over the 2024 race for the white house, we are now hours away from the first contest of the election season. tomorrow at seven pm local time, about 24 hours from right now, voters in iowa will be asked to brave what appears to be the coldest caucus day in decades. and according to the last and final poll before caucus day, a new nbc news des moines register poll shows donald trump maintaining his commanding lead over his rivals. that is not unexpected.
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right now, 48% of likely caucus goers say the twice impeached, and quadruple indicted ex president has their vote. that is an almost 30 point lead over former u.n. ambassador nikki haley, who came in second with just 20%. florida governor ron desantis, he is in third place, with 16%, followed by vivek ramaswamy at 8%. now compared to the last poll taken back in december, haley received the largest jump in support. she is now up to four points. this morning, she picked up a major endorsement from maryland's former governor larry hogan, in a clear sign that she is feeling horror momentum, that she is actually hitting her stride, at least in -- she did something that she has rarely done on the campaign trail, she distanced herself from her former boss, and, let's say trump's legal exposure. here is haley a short time ago, speaking exclusively to nbc news. >> well i think he's got court cases to deal with.
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and so on his own, he's going to have to answer it in his own time. i've answered for, it i said it was a terrible day, i hope we never relive that again. but i'm going to let him answer it for himself. >> are you supportive of the investigation -- if you're saying he should and will have to answer for? >> i mean look, i am not a lawyer. and i don't know what the facts are behind these things. but he's got multiple cases, some are political, some are not political. he's got to deal with that, i'm glad i don't have to deal with that. >> now with a day to go, here are three key questions that you're going to want answered, as laid out by dan -- of the washington post. one, can trump's organization attract a big influx of first-time caucus goers, and deliver a huge victory as forecasted in the polls? to, can nikki haley finally surpassed desantis for a second place, and if she does, can she finish at all close to trump? and three, can desantis, who has put everything into iowa, prove wrong all those who say
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his campaign has been such a mess, that he could soon be written off. let's get straight to iowa, where we find nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, and senior political editor marc murray. it's great to have both of you guys with us. vaughn, i'll start with you, you have been at trump rallies before, you have been at the ones this time around, what can you tell us about a, the environment or the energy there, and how does it compare to what you've seen at campaign events for other republican candidates? what are you hearing from voters one day ahead of the iowa caucus? >> amen, i think we have imperial -- from the last eight plus years that trump supporters will turn out, pretty much under any circumstance. and in a general election, we've had a serious conversation about whether donald trump's politics, his tactics, and especially his recent comments, are going to have an impact against likely joe biden come november. but we are talking about a republican electorate here in the state of iowa, that is being relied upon. if independents and democrats
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want to take part in the caucus on monday night, they've got to go actually change their party registration. and so we are looking at the majority major share of the caucus electorate tomorrow night, meaning that that republican base. and, the polling suggests the strong -- in donald trump's favor. in just a few hours ago, donald trump called his solo event here of the weekend, a rally about 30 minutes south of des moines, where there were hundreds of folks who came out in negative 40-degree wind chill to come see donald trump. now this is not a caucus, but this was just a rally. i want to let you listen to a conversation i had with a woman named betsy from just a couple of blocks away, for that event that is taking place. this is her first time caucusing, and in this poll that just came out here from nbc news and des moines register, more than half of those who are first-time caucus goers say they support donald trump. betsy, she is one of them, take a listen. >> if trump's in my town, that is fabulous, i will knock the snow down to get here. >> did you caucus a few years
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ago? >> i didn't stop voting until 20. >> until 2020, for donald trump? >> right. >> are you involved because of donald trump? >> no. >> so are you going to be a first time caucus goer? >> yeah. yeah. i couldn't stand politics at all. but when i've seen them all attacking trump, and really i was just like why are they checking trump? >> the campaign has put an emphasis on turning out folks like that, see these first-time caucus goers, folks who are even involved eight years ago in the state of iowa. and betsy, she told me look, she's got family and friends that are also going to be engaging for the first time. she said she doesn't know a single desantis or haley supporter that she could call a family or a friend, >> yeah, that's got to be a tough one to hear if you are in either of those campaigns, mark, which kind of begs the question based on the latest polls, the ones actually before the caucus starts tomorrow, what if
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anything do they reveal or shed light on in terms of the presidents lead, and perhaps the dynamics of how a second place finish may change a momentum for a nikki haley or a ron desantis? >> yeah, former president donald trump's lead, the previous historic margin for a non incumbent republican running in the iowa caucus this was winning by 13 percentage points. that was bob dole back in 1988. our poll and others show that donald trump's lead is double, if not triple that. as for the race for second place, i do think that the enthusiasm numbers in our poll aren't really indicative, and actually could end up making this even closer. you end up having just about 20% of desantis supporters saying that they are extremely enthusiastic about his candidacy. as compared to just 9% for nikki haley, which shows that desantis might have a little bit of an enthusiasm edge over
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her, on a very, very competitive race for second place. >> all right, vaughn hillyard, mark marie in iowa, starting us off this hour. gentlemen, thank you to the both of you. with us now, former illinois republican congressman joe walsh, he is the host of white flag with joe walsh. also, molly jong-fast, special correspondent for vanity fair, and host of fast politics podcast. great to have both of you with us, to try to make sense of all of this. joe, i'll start with you. by all accounts, trump, as we said, as we have been saying, expected to claim victory tomorrow. how much does the margin of that when matter to him, matter to whoever comes in second place? >> i ayman, good to be with you. i don't know that it matters. look, this may be the worst thing to say the night before the iowa caucuses, but this has never been a race, this has never been a contest. nikki haley and ron desantis have never been running against donald trump.
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it pains me to say this, but this is his party, this is his nomination. i think he is going to win by a lot, trump will lie about it however he winds, 20, 30, 40 points. which is interesting to me is how, and what desantis and haley do, depending on who comes in second. because that is really the only interesting aspect of tomorrow. >> so what do they do, molly, to pick up on joe's point, assuming nikki haley finishes second, or desantis finishes third? what do they actually do, why doesn't even matter? why do we even talk about the other two? >> yeah i mean, this is a weird, we are continually seeing republicans wishing trump would just go away. since 2016, since he lost in 2020, the idea is he will just go away if we close our eyes tight enough. and this is another case of that, right. i mean nikki haley, she could win every caucus, she could win
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all of them, she could win all of the primaries, and it wouldn't matter, because donald trump would still run. i mean this is a guy running to stay out of jail. he is running in a way that no one else is running, and his people are attached to him, in a way that normal primary voters are not. so, i don't know that any of this matters. i think the one thing that is important to remember about nikki haley is that even though she sells herself as a moderate, she worked in the trump administration, and is open to being trumps a vp. >> yeah, and speaking of vps, joe, i do have some sad news that i need to share with everyone. this budding romance, or bromance i should sa between donald trump anvivek ramaswamy, appears to have come to a bitter and swift and. if anyo thiing that trump might pick as his running ma see this week and tru wrote in a post in his faedocial media site that he isn't, quote, maga enough. and that quote, a vote for vivek is a vote for the other side. now, ramaswamy has been one of the most pro trump candidates.
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and you would think after being insulted the way he was insulted, he would come out, take the gloves off. but no, he doubled down. he still says donald trump is the best president we've had in the 21st century, and is still kissing a little bit of behind. does that lack of loyalty from trump surprise you? and does the fact that vivek ramaswamy is pulling a ted cruz and a marco rubio, falling in line, surprise you? >> amen, look at the fact that anybody would be surprised, after eight years. donald trump is only loyal to himself, donald trump only cares about himself. the vague has been on his knees this entire race, trying to ingratiate himself with donald trump. vague has learned that trump doesn't give a dam about anybody but himself. to what molly said, republican donors, and republican consultants, whatever the republican establishment class has wanted donald trump to go away.
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but wake the, i caught myself there. [laughter] wake the hell up america. republican voters are behind this guy, more than they ever have been. the general election is starting now, we better wake up to that. >> ron desantis is probably learning that, in a very bitter way. this was the darling of the republican party a couple of years ago, had some big name republican backers, at least if they were not publicly willing to get behind him, thought that he would be able to derail trump. he has learned the hard way, or perhaps the obvious way, this is not going to happen for him this time around. >> yeah, i mean look, desantis ran to the right of trump, he was trump without the charisma. >> but why did that not work? because it's not authentic, or it's because? you would think that the base that wants so much red meat from a donald trump would go more to somebody who is to the right of trump. >> well, good point. >> in theory. >> in theory. i mean, i think the idea that trumpism is about policy is pretty wild, right.
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>> it's a cult. >> its personality. and trump is a rorschach, he could be anything. he could be this, he could be that, people put their own stuff on trump. the thing about desantis that made me very nervous was his autocratic tendencies. he took over universities, the stuff he did in florida. one of the things that has been really heartening is that swing voters, and even republicans, don't love anti-trans candidates, and they don't love a lot of that vitriol. and that's been actually great. so we've seen in previous elections, those kind of candidates tend to lose. >> yeah, they tend to lose, and they tend to lose big, if you are not authentic. >> joe, earlier today, perhaps not a surprise, trump received the endorsement from north dakota governor doug burgum, who dropped out of the race back in december. and maybe this is a little bit senator marco rubio froml florida, you also have mike lee from utah, throwing their support behind trump. and in each one of those, perhaps for different reasons,
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but the one that surprises me the most in continues to surprise me is a marco rubio. he was in the senate, i guess with likely. but he was in the senate, he was there on january the 6th. this is a guy who was insulted, disrespected, basically had the floor right through him when he was running against trump. and like lindsey graham, he is endorsing trump yet. again he is endorsing trump yet. agai >> what did trump call him? little. little marco. oh my god, was trump spot on. look, why can't anybody touch the sky? because molly's right. he's a cult leader. doug burnham said, ayman, that he would never do business with donald trump, and yet hillendale some to be the president of the united states. again, i'm a broken record. i think desantis and haley are gonna be in a race to get out of this race as soon as they can, so that they still have a
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viable future. >> yeah. so they don't have to get humiliated. although i think ron desantis has taken his fair share of humiliation. i don't see him in any way of recovering from this, at least certainly not reputationally. joe, molly, please stick around. we've got a lot more to discuss with you after this quick break. president biden will not be on the new hampshire ballot after the state to find the -- wait until you hear what his supporters will do anyway. congresswoman barbara lee on that and much more, coming up next. ming u next next as the world keeps moving, help prevent covid-19 from breaking your momentum. you may have already been vaccinated against the flu, but don't forget this season's updated covid-19 shot too. (christina) wanna know the secret ingredient to running my business? (tina) her. (christina) being all over, all at once. (tina) all the time. (christina) but my old network wasn't cutting it. and that's not good for baking.
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with qualifying internet. hampshire. the primaries are right around the corner. and they say primaries plural here, because there are two contests in all. one for republicans, obviously the other for democrats. despite president biden's decision to skip the state, not putting his name on the ballot. and that stems from a disagreement between new hampshire officials and the democratic national committee. when the dmz decided last year to rearrange the primary calendar. even with his name not on the ballot, there is a right in biden political action committee working overtime to ensure granite state voters deliver a victory to the president. and that would be a welcome political win, given biden's slipping poll numbers, and growing domestic hangs over the humanitarian crisis in gaza.
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joining me now, california congresswoman barbara lee. congresswoman, great to have you back on the show. thank you for making time for us. first, tell me. do you support the dmz's move to bump new hampshire from its spot in the primary calendar? it is obviously eric the lot of the voters there in new hampshire. can democrats of freud to make this move? >> thank you, ayman, for having me. first off, i'm a member of the dmz. secondly, no state has a lock on where the first primary will be held. thirdly, the dmz will revisit this again in 2028. and again, let me tell you, the president -- does not take anything for granted. i'm glad the right and campaign is taking place, but the democratic national committee made the decision, the president made this decision, and again, no state has a lock, quite frankly, on where the
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primary is gonna be held. >> let me switch gears, if i can, to the other side, congresswoman. assuming the polls here are right, nikki haley finishes second in iowa, assuming she goes on to win new hampshire, do you think she has a small shot to actually beat donald trump? and if she does, do you think she'll be a bigger threat to president biden's reelection chances? >> well, the republican party is a maga extremist republican party. and the party of donald trump, really, it is a cult, quite frankly. it's donald trump's cult. i think he's a very dangerous man. he wants to a road and dismantle our democracy. and, in fact, he has, over and over and over again, demonstrated his autocratic
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tendencies. so he's a very dangerous person to win election for the white house. having said that, we are working very hard to make sure that the biden harris administration currently is reelected. because we know for a fact that the biden harris administration has delivered for the american people, and there's a lot of work to be done. and in fact, we have to make sure that the voter and our threats to democracy -- the fact that we have made lives better for so many americans. we have a long way to go, but we have to finish the job. >> let me, if i can, switch yet again, congresswoman, to the topic of foreign policy for a moment, and national security. you are the only lawmakers to vote no in the post 9/11 vote authorizing military force in afghanistan. most americans now appreciate just how precious and that vote was, and how difficult it was
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for you to cast it. it's worth noting that you've expressed similar doubts regarding the war in gaza. i want to play a quick -- clip from my interview last evening with the gaza bureau chief for al jazeera, who's lost a lot of family members in this war, and get your thoughts on the other side of it. take a listen. >> i advise the president to look at what's happening. to listen to what people, ordinary people, who are paying the cost, and they have every right to secure the rights as human beings. as partners in humanity. nothing more, nothing less. >> you see the protests around the world. you see the growing anxious among americans who are going into the streets yesterday in washington, london, elsewhere. do you think the president of the united states is hearing both sides of what's happening on the ground in gaza accurately? >> first, let me say, ayman, that i voted against the authorization to use military force in 2001, because it was an overly broad blank check, 60,
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words and it gave president bush, any president the right to go to war without coming back to congress. and that was wrong then, and we have to repeal those authorizations. i call for a cease-fire -- make no mistakes, i condemned also hamas and the terrorist attacks. and i said very clearly that israel deserves security and peace and needs to really address terrorism and hamas. also, i said that killing around 23,000 civilians, many women and children, and creating a humanitarian catastrophe, that's wrong. you do not find a pathway to peace and security through killing innocent civilians. and so, i called for a cease-fire. the only pathway to, hopefully,
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a two state solution is a diplomatic and political solution. but we have to call for her -- and i've asked the president, and i've said very vocally, i cease-fire is what's taking place right now, ayman, it's counterproductive to israel's security. we have to find a path, and the president has to be involved very clearly and closely in demanding a cease-fire so that we can get to a solution where israelis and palestinians can live side by side with peace and security. >> congresswoman, it's always a pleasure. i appreciate you taking a range of questions, talking party politics, electoral politics, and even national security and foreign policy. we always appreciate you playing ball with us. thank you so much, congresswoman barbara lee from california. >> nice being with you. thank you. >> next, more proof that words matter. donald trump's rhetoric and the nationwide rise in swatting's. we're gonna connect the dots next. next.
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so just hours before closing arguments, the judge overseng donald trump's new york fraud trial was targeted and what is called a swatting incident, and if you are unfamiliar with that term, swatting is a type of harassment where a person makes a false report to authorities, oftentimes the police or local law enforcement, in order to bait those police, or perhaps even a s.w.a.t. team, to respond to someone's house. judge arthur engoron is now the third figure who has tied to donald trump's to legal case to be targeted by swatting in recent days. police responded last week to a false report of a shooting at the home of u.s. district court judge tanya chutkan, who's over seeing trump's election interference case. on christmas day, the special counsel, jack smith, he was
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also hit by swatting at his home in maryland. now, while swatting is not necessarily a violent action, it is a form of intimidation. it is, in short, a threat. so, why are people doing it? why is there an uptick now? your guess is as good as mine. but, within the past week, donald trump has made several threats of his own suggesting olence could wrapped if the supreme court rules against him in his ballot eligibility dispe, or if his federal election interference case proceeds. he has warned of, quote, big, big trouble and bedlam in this country. it's ominous language. but the truth is, we kind of know that when donald trump speaks, his flock listens, and they act up if called upon. -- cautions in a new piece for the waington post, trump isn't explicitly demanding's supporters literally fight for him, these comments, quote, allow his supporters to
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rationalize doing so. former congressman joe walsh, molly jong-fast, are back with us. and look, we lived january the 6th, we all remember what trump said on that day and how those protesters interpreted his wades when he said, you have to fight and fight like hell. so i have to ask you, joe. this latest swatting attempt came hours after trump railed against judge engoron on truth social, calling him a trump hating judge, working with the attorney general to screw me, adding that engoron is presiding over an unfair and rigged trial. what is your reaction to this new phenomenon and how this unfolded thursday morning? >> so, ayman, this is the scariest aspect of my former political party. and let's just say it from the start. donald trump once violence. on january 6th, donald trump wasn't indifferent to violence.
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he wanted there to be violence. donald trump wants 2024 to be a violent year. but even scarier than that, ayman, look, i say all the time, my former party is radicalized. and what i mean by that is republican voters are increasingly indifferent towards were actually supportive of political violence to get their way. this is absolutely scary for america, and america needs to wake up to it right now. >> so is this, molly, the new normal? as i mentioned, the judge and grand incident, the swatting incident, is the third one. jack smith has had, it kenya chutkan has experienced it. he's now the third person. is it just gonna keep getting worse and worse? >> i mean, look. none of us want violence. we all want this to stop. except donald trump, who has the supporters. i mean, remember, they asked --
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recently was asked, do you support political violence? and he walked away. so he's constantly, when he's not recurrent -- encouraging it, he's refusing to say it's bad. so i think we should all hope, as people -- some kind of platform that that doesn't happen, that people keep cool. we've been with trump -- trump's been around for a while now, and, you know, there's been some violence, but much less than could have been. so i think we all hope that. but again, the swatting attempts are way to use the police -- >> yeah. >> to use the federal government to hurt people. and while people haven't been hurt yet, but they certainly could be, it is a certain kind of political violence. >> right. right. and it's dangerous, and it's pushing our limits, our boundaries of the discourse in a very dangerous way to the extremes. joe, we should note, on christmas you had a caller inventing a fake shooting to
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republican congresswomannt to marjorie taylo greene's home in a. you had a separate fake calm made on the same day also sending police to the home of boston mayor michelle wu, a democrat, and a congressman, brandon williams, from upstate new york, had a similar incident. again, we're seeing this phenomenon, 2024, the race is beginning to heat up. are you worried that the threshold has been crossed here? not even specifically to donald trump, but among ordinary americans who now are starting to believe that these types of acts, this type of political retaliation against your enemies, and this intimidation, is acceptable? >> i do, ayman. look, when you and i were younger, you, me, and molly, we could disagree on issues. but we wouldn't hate each other. and we didn't want to destroy each other. that train is long, long gone.
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i'll acknowledge that my right is further down that track. they're openly embracing or indifferent toward violence. but i worry that the left is growing in increasingly frustrated as well. this is a really scary moment for this country, and we all, as molly said, we all need to try to reject it. >> the language that trump is using, molly, we have heard it for years. and in doing so, in hearing it more and more, it almost becomes normalized. i think the ordinary american becomes almost -- they tonight. they become almost deaf to it. and he's now using this language of bedlam, there's gonna be big, big trouble. how does that land on the years about the trump supporters and those that are tuning it out and not paying attention to it? the consequence of that? >> what i'm the most worried about with the trump supporters as that he's sort of tipped his
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supporters into unreality. and you have this kind of world where he's calling the people who committed crimes on january the 6th hostages, right? where he's using these wades that are not accurate, when you have other republicans doubling down on that, like stefanik. so that, i think, is really worrying, because these people do have to live in the same world that the rest of us do. and none of that, you, know a lot of the stuff that trump has told them is not true. so again, there's a reckoning there that's very scary. i also am just, you know, worried about the increasing vitriol. and look, trump's vitriol has gotten worse to, right? he's calling people maggots, he says we're gonna hunt at the communists -- >> the blood of our nation is being mixed, or is being sullied, or dirtied, with immigrants. >> pretty scary stuff. >> scary indeed. >> even revenge. >> right. >> the entire point of trump's campaign is revenge and
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retribution. come on, that's a call to violence. >> i completely agree with you. i just worry that it's not raining loud enough for the people who are listening, and perhaps even those who are not paying attention and thinking it's just bluster, it's just political rhetoric as we know normalize. joe walsh, managing fast, it's always a pleasure. thank you to the both of you. great to have you, as always. up next, what happens to gaza after the war? the biden administration's plans, well, some of them are raising eyebrows. we're gonna talk about that. we're gonna talk about that. help prevent covid-19 from breaking your momentum. you may have already been vaccinated against the flu, but don't forget this season's updated covid-19 shot too.
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that's how long it's been since the brutal hamas attacks -- and the subsequent destruction of gaza by the israeli minister. the palestinian military has become virtually uninhabitable -- food and water shortages and the lack of medical care and supplies. and if the involuntary displacement that comes with that was not enough, some senior israeli officials have called for the forest rettlement and expulsion of palestinians outside of gaza. a proposal that may actually play a role inou africa's che case accusing israel of genocide. -- forced displacement, adding that prime minister benjamin netanyahu told him that is not the israeli government's official policy. now, huffpost reports that the
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tobiden official is quietly floating up mail-in to rebuild gaza after israel's bombardment ends, despite concerns that it would fully escalate regional instability. the proposal according to huffpost by white house officials, specifically brett mccarrick, would focus on a deal between israel and saudi arabia, according to three u.s. officials. they told huffpost that mcgahn suggestions reflect that the biden administration's pre-october 7th approach of treating the palestinians as an afterthought remains, more or less. joining me to discuss this is daniel levy, president of the u.s. middle east project. daniel, it's great to see you again. we really appreciate your time throughout the past hundred days. let's start with this new report, this half post to report, this reported biden administration plan to rebuild gaza, essentially hazing hinging on a deal between israel and saudi arabia that morales leaves the palestinians out. talk about that, and what
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they're thinking -- leaders would think about this deal, and how they could work around it. >> well, i mean it's good to be with you, despite the circumstances. before one thinks of rebuilding gaza, there is a really important step. which is, let's stop destroying gaza. and we are here even today for the warnings of the degree -- civilian population of gaza in 23,000 deaths, overwhelmingly civilians, 10,000 children, 90% of the population physically displaced from their homes. the threat of starvation, harsh winter disease, looming over much of that population. now this idea that, yeah, let's continue to -- any talk of a cease-fire, and think ahead to this magical morning after, israel and saudi
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coming together, and gaza will be rebuilt, and this article that you referred to talks about a victory tour for the president in declaring the -- i read this, and i'm not sure whose intelligence this is more insulting to. the people of the region, the palestinians, or the american voting public. is anyone gonna buy this? >> now, it's a really good question. and let me than just kind of jump ahead to the point that you're raising, which is to stop this where. since october 7th, president biden has publicly and firmly stood behind israel and its bombardment of gaza. he has bypassed congress twice last month with weapons sales to israel. the administration has said there will be no relines to israel's conduct in this war. he's reatedly said no to a cease-fire. butu.s. officials are now telling axios that behind the scenes, quote, the presidents patience is running out with benjamin netanyahu.
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diplomatically, it is hard to think that -- while he's actively harming the country, enabling them to continue their attacks, providing for them diplomatic support and cover at the u.n.. what do you make of this disconnect between what is being leaked in the actions of the americans? >> well, this idea that there is frustration, why aren't they doing more in terms of what we're asking? get over yourselves. if you want to use your leverage, use your leverage. the leverage is there. you've chosen to give as real a blank check. much of the world sees this not just as israel's war, but america's war. there have been massive protests and many capitals this weekend. some of them have been us outside american embassies, in malaysia, in indonesia, and elsewhere, for good reason.
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because of the provision of arms. because of the diplomatic support, the vetoing, the watering down of resolutions. and, if you want to look for what is moving the dial on israeli behavior, if at all, what has that potential, don't look to the u.s. administration. don't look to yet another failed visit of secretary blinken. look to what you referenced, ayman, which is south africa's action. at the international court. that has u.s. -- israel's attention. unfortunately, the u.s. has decided to dismiss that in terms that, i think, have many people saying, okay, we get you. international law is only there when it's convenient for you. which is hardly breaking news. but biden's team had a choice here. because the one thing they apparently didn't want was this escalating into a broader regional conflict. and they had a choice to either dial it down and end the war in
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gaza, or risk a regional conflagration. 100 days later, here we are with america bombing yemen. we remember, this is irony taking tunic stream level. we remember at the beginning of this administration, they were getting in the face of the saudis to end the war in yemen. now the saudis are distancing themselves from america ratcheting up bombings in yemen in a war that was winding down while conducting extra do is -- extrajudicial assassinations elsewhere. -- if anyone thinks that back to the future packs americana in the middle east works out well, i've got a lot of history for you. >> and to your point -- it's important to remind our viewers that it was only after the case was presented, the south african case was presented to the icj, that the israeli prime minister came out publicly and said they do not have the intention of removing palestinians from gaza. even then, with him
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articulating that, palestinians and other arab countries -- do not believe that. we have about 20 seconds left. but i just really want to ask you, do you believe, daniel, that america still has leverage over israel? >> the leverage is there. it's massive. but americans need to deploy it. and they need to do something to convince people that this will not go down -- administration that was indifferent to palestinians that is now become the most anti palestinian democrat administration in history, dripping with anti palestinian racism day in and day out. >> that's such a great point. daniel, i appreciate your time. thanks for joining us this evening. take care, my friend. >> thank you. >> next, a story you missed, but should know about. involving dark money, conservative activists, and a women's right to choose. women's right to choose. but here i am... being me. keep being you...
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let's follow the money. the original lawsuit was launched in texas by a group called the alliance for hippocratic medicine who challenge steps taken by the food and drug administration in recent years to expand access to medication abortion. a h m is an umbrella group which means it's a coalition of various antiabortion organizations. -- wake of the dobbs ruling, believe it or not. it doesn't have a long history. but it was after the ruling with the state admission of, quote, protecting the vulnerable at the beginning and end of life. one of those organizations as the american association of pro life obstetricians and gynecologists, which is in part funded by the catholic association foundation, or see a af. stick with me here for a moment. according to -- they received over $9 million from schwab charitable fund and
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donors trust, my provider of donor advised and shareable funds. over roughly the same period of time, schwab charitable received a contribution of almost 100 miion from a group called marble freedom trust. now, formed in [inaudible] -- on the show, many times before. conservative judicial and legal activist, lnard leo. well it's possible to know from tax records alone by the millions that flowed from schwab charitable to the catholic association foundation came from marble freedom trust, it is worth noting the address on the donation to caf is a previous address as neil corkery, a longtime associate
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of leo. he's also a former president of caf, and a bookkeeper for marble freedom trust. and as we've covered on the show before, leo has spent years shaping the modern judiciary in this country as the long term executive vice president of the federalist society. which is often seen as a training vehicle for conservative lawyers, and even future judicial nominees. that work has earned him the nickname the cork whisper. now, reports of also emerged about lina's connection to the texas judge who initially ruled against the fda's approval of mifepristone, matthew kacsmaryk. because merrick cofounded the fort worth chapter of the federalist society. he's given speeches at least ten times at its various events. and leo himself has financial ties to the firm where kacsmaryk worked immeaty before becoming a judge. now, the medication abortion
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case heads , u know, where the supreme court. or at least five of th six conservative justices are also current or former federalist society members. so there it is. leonard leo's two-step plan to alter abortion in america as we know it. step one, funnel money into groups that will challenge laws that don't fit the right wing's antiabortion agenda, and on the other side, step to. fill the courts with judges who will carry out that agenda, no questions asked. and come june, we'll find out if leo's plan is a recipe for success, for him, and a disaster for reproductive rights in america. a new hour of ayman after a quick break. quick break. it's the only medication that can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks. treat and prevent, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec.
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