♪♪ tonight on "the reid out." >> we thank you for your effort and your support. you helped us get a ticket punched out of the hawkeye state. >> i can safely say tonight iowa made this republican primary a two-person race.

>> the also rans claiming small victories, even though they each got walloped by the inevitable nominee donald trump, apparently put in place by god, because as one iowan put it, god picks unusual people. also tonight, michigan governor and biden campaign cochair gretchen whitmer joins me to discuss the democrats' view of the republican race and whether president biden has a michigan problem. plus, the war on dr. king's memory. there is more to his legacy than just that one speech that republicans often misuse for their own political aims. we begin tonight with iowa's choice. today the winner of that state's republican presidential caucuses, donald trump, spent a significant part of the day after not in new hampshire as presidential history would suggest, but in a manhattan courthouse for the beginning of a trial to determine how much he

has to pay in damages to a woman he was find liable for sexually abusing and defaming. let's just establish that straight away. donald trump's victory in iowa is being sold as a great for him since it solidifies the four times indicted former president's place atop the republican field. when you really get down to it, it's a win that's as unimpressive as it is uninspiring. yes, it shows the republican party is still donald trump's party. although getting 51% while basically running as an incumbent is not a great side. 48% of iowans voted for one of the also-rans, ron desantis and nikki haley. the problems with them and their potential path forward, especially for haley is clearly spelled out right there by iowa

republican caucus goers. about two-thirds said donald trump would still be fit to be president if he were to be convicted of a crime. in fact, the majority of iowa caucus goers who identified as very conservative said trump would be fit to be president if convicted of a crime. that's where the real problem for the also-rans lies, white evangelical voters. trump not only seems to have worked out his 2016 problem with evangelical voters, he's consolidated them around him. 55% of iowa's caucus-goers identified as white evangelical or born again christians. 27% chose ron desantis. 13% chose nikki haley with 7% picking vivek ramaswamy. iowa is one of the more evangelical states in the

country, especially when it comes to republican politics. after all, iowa governor kim reynolds signed that state's six-week abortion ban into law at the right wing family leadership summit, a must stop for 2024 republican hopefuls. iowa isn't the only state where white evangelicals are overrepresented in the republican electorate, which we know does not reflect the country as a whole. that's not even a dig at white evangelicals. it's just math. 55% of iowa republican caucus-goers said they identify as white evangelical christians. but only 14% of americans in general are white evangelicals. however, they are heavily concentrated in the republican party, where trump didn't do so well last night was in the parts of iowhat look like the rest of the country. nikki handed him his only defeat in johnson county, winning by a single vote. that county is home to iowa city

and the university of iowa, you know, a diverse college town, likely full of the same type of college educated or independent voters that haley is banking on as she moves onto new hampshire. while ron desantis went straight to south carolina today in the hopes that he can peel off a tiny remaining sliver of white evangelicals from trump there. for nikki haley, the question becomes where do you go? while she's likely to do well with new hampshire's large number of independent voters, success there could just be the beginning of a pipe dream. although she did show one little bit of gumption there refusing to participate in any debates unless donald trump debates. south carolina happens to have an even higher percentage of white evangelical voters. the numbers on the get more

daunting come super tuesday. with white evangelical voters embracing donald trump and trending towards a full-throated embrace of christian nationalism, a stunning new ad from the lincoln project reminds us what that would mean for america. >> and on the eighth day, god looked down on his planned paradise and said i need a man to test the will and goodness of a free people. god made a dictator. god said i need a man who failed at everything except theft and broken promises to live in a golden palace. god said i need a wicked man to lead the common folk with hatred and fear, so god made a dictator. god said i need a corrupt man who is above the law and immune from justice. so god made a dictator. god said i need a man who will use violence to seize power. god said i need a man whose followers will call black white, call evil good and call criminals hostages.

so god made a dictator. so god made a dictator. >> joining me is robert p. jones, president and founder of the public religion institute. and tara meyers, senior advisor to the lincoln project, who once served as a republican communications director on capitol hill before leaving the party. it's a brilliant ad. well done. who is the target audience? >> well, the target audience is actually everyone, because i think that at this point a lot of people are not paying attention. it's not necessarily the magas who are in the death cult of the religious christian nationalists death cult, because obviously they're unmovable. it's to everyone else who isn't part of that to get them to realize this is real, this is something that millions of people in this country believe and we need to juxtapose that

image with what the choices are coming up in this election cycle. it's a binary choice. donald trump's campaign actually has been showing a similar ad called god made trump. that's why we responded. we said, oh, no, no, no. god also allowed for dictators too. let's show the blasphemy that's coming out of the evangelical right with this god complex that trump and his supporters are putting forth here. the evangelical church has failed this country. not only have they failed america, but they've failed christianity. they are so far away from the gospels of jesus. can you imagine if the evangelical church actually followed what they claim to preach in the bible? we wouldn't have had four years of donald trump. we wouldn't have had an insurrection on january 6th. we wouldn't have had the cruelty with kids in cages. we wouldn't have had this idea that character doesn't seem to matter anymore. could you imagine the kind of country we would have had by now if evangelicals follow the bible they claim to worship? instead, they're following their

golden orange god in donald trump. this is a way of us pointing that out. >> that brings us to you, robert jones. let me play a sioux county, iowa, evangelical voter and a trump voter and then a nikki haley voter. >> you know, god picks unusual people to do great works. i think he's picking trump for a great work in our name. >> the evangelical christians have bought -- and by the way, i consider myself one -- have come to the point where they believe that donald trump is speaking their kind of issues. they think they need somebody that can take on the, quote, libs, so they've sold out. >> how did we get here? >> to that last point, it's much more than owning the libs. it's much bigger than that.

this relationship tells us less about trump and much more about who evangelicals think they are. i think that is the bigger vision here that is becoming really nakedly exposed. it is this claim that this country is theirs, that they are the rightful owners of this country. as their numbers shrink -- they make up 14% of the country right now, but they are accustomed to being sort of the majority political demographic power in the country. as those numbers have shrunk, we are seeing this desperate move here. i just want to agree here that it is time to sound the alarm. we can't just be on the sidelines thinking, oh, this is trump being trump or it's a political sideshow. it is a two-person race as haley said, but not the way she means it. the republican primary is over after iowa. what we have here now is one of our two political parties with a

president who has an explicitly fascist agenda that he's trying to bring to america and he's bringing it with the blessings of our most church going constituency in the country. >> what is it they think they're going to get if we get the trump dictatorship of their dreams? >> we have two-thirds of white evangelicals qualify as christian nationalists who think that, for example, the u.s. laws should be based on the bible and the u.s. should declare itself to be an exclusively christian nation. we have a majority of white evangelicals who agree that this nation was ordained by god to be a promise land for european christians. that's the positive vision. if we listen to trump, we hear that in his recent speeches, one

he gave in new hampshire where he vilified immigrants as poisoning the blood of the country, called them vermin. he promised to bar those who don't, quote, like our religion. this establishment of this ethno religious white christian america that he's promising to bring back, and evangelicals are all in on that project. >> the problem that nikki haley is going to have is that she is the daughter of brown immigrants. she says there is no racism. you know, she is running now thinking that she can win over a party that is substantially consisting of those exact same evangelicals. let me play vivek ramaswamy's wife talking to iowa voters about her husband's campaign. here's what she was told by

voters in that state. >> what do people say gives them like, oh, i can't vote for him because -- what are the things they tell you? [indiscernible] >> they mentioned his dark skin and they think he's muslim. she's now getting birthered, by the way, by donald trump. is there any chance that party would ever make her the nominee? >> no, no. this is all wish casting. i mean, god bless nikki haley for trying, except that she's never really run and taken it to donald trump, and she's running in a party that believes that indian americans were

responsible for 911 still or they don't like his last name. this has weird reminiscent vibes of the barack obama situation. they didn't like his name. he was a muslim, he's not one of us. this is something that is not okay in this country. this country is changing. lots more people are biracial like me. soon there are going to be more minorities in the majority than white people, and that is scaring a lot of americans who subscribe to the time of xenophobia and racism that donald trump puts out there, the fear of the other. i'm sorry, but there are a lot of people in this country that don't agree with that, and they need to have a permission structure as republicans. we call them the bannon line voters. those are the people that are gettable. they're not comfortable with the hitler hero worship, but they need a structure to vote for joe biden, who by the

way, has never had aspirations to become a dictator. that matters. he's not out here calling different minorities poison to the blood of america. those are the people our ads are pointing to. that's why it's so important. they're the ones who are going to be the difference in this election in these key swing states to make the difference. that's who we have to target. they're not comfortable with this kind of language or this attitude, but nikki haley doesn't stand a chance. she has to get out of the primary. those people are republican primary voters. good luck. >> nikki haley did manage to get almost 20% in iowa. then if you add her to vivek ramaswamy, he got 7%. there is a small percentage of the republican party that is open to voting for a minority

women candidate. but the demographics don't look favorable to her. south carolina is even more white evangelicals. states like arkansas, states like mississippi. where is there even a set of voters that are large enough in number for her? isn't the white evangelical base even larger outside of iowa? >> right. i don't see a lane here for haley. she even borrowed here even in iowa, she was borrowing from independent and democrats to cross over and participate in the caucuses. i just don't see a lane for her going forward here. this is really donald trump's race. the train has left the station. i think that's the way we've got to think about this. >> we talked about white evangelicals, but let me talk about a black evangelical. ben carson compared donald trump to king david, which i found very odd.

what's going on there? >> look, evangelicals have fished around for any number of explanations to square the circle of their support for donald trump. king cyrus, the godless king who nonetheless set the jews free from babylon. this is all a kind of retrofitted theology for political agenda, again, to hold onto this vision of a white christian america. >> it is the golden calf, and worship of it is considered quite a sin if your read your bible. thank you both. up next, michigan governor gretchen whitmer joins me with the democratic reaction to iowa and president biden's efforts to drum up support in that vital swing state. forts to drum up support in that vital swing state.

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the question before americans is now very clear. do you want more of the same? trump and biden are both about 80 years old. trump and biden both lack a vision for our country's future, because both are consumed by the past, by investigations, by vendettas, by grievances. america deserves better. >> that was nikki haley delivering a pretty compelling closing argument after coming in

third in iowa. despite trump's large lead, there is still a fever dream among some republicans that nikki haley can somehow defeat trump and take on biden. a new cbs poll conducted before the iowa caucuses, which i present to you with the caveat that poll this is far out are just a snapshot and not necessarily meaningful, but it does show if a head-to-head matchup were held today, haley would win the general election by eight points. joining me is governor gretchen whitmer of michigan. she is a cochair of president biden's campaign. how concerned is the biden white house that by some miracle they are facing nikki haley rather

than donald trump? >> well, i think the results last night out of iowa tell us what we've all kind of suspected, that donald trump still has a grip on the republican party. the maga extremists are the standard bearers for today's republican party. it's not reflective of who we are as a nation. it's not reflective of where we need to be headed as a country as we think about our standing globally. president biden gave a speech in valley forge and charleston talking about the real threat to american democracy and fundamental freedoms which have been under attack, especially these last few years as you think about reproductive rights. it's always going to be a competitive race, especially in a state like mine. but at the end of the day, voters are smart. they're going to vote for the person who's waking up in the morning and thinking about them and working tirelessly.

there's no question that candidate is joe biden. >> there is an issue that is also galvanizing people in the democratic base, just not in the direction of joe biden. katy tur was in manchester, new hampshire yesterday, and she interviewed a liberal voter. i want you to listen to what she said about nikki haley versus president biden. >> will you consider haley? >> yes. >> you would? >> yes. >> even though you're heavily liberal? >> yes. >> why? >> because i think both sides have had their fill of old white men, and it's time for a younger, new blood to come in. >> haley versus biden, who would you vote for? >> haley. >> really? >> yeah. especially over politics with israel right now.

>> would her politics be different? >> i think she is more willing to listen and negotiate than what biden is doing right now. >> just as a fact check for our audience before i have your respond to that, let me play you nikki haley's actual beliefs about gaza and israel. here they are. >> i'm assuming the position, therefore, is america should not take them either. >> absolutely not. they should go to hamas loving countries, iraq, qatar, turkey. those three countries, they can go to that. but it's very telling that here you have the people in gaza that egypt doesn't even want them, that none of those countries want them. you know why? because they don't know which ones are hamas and which ones aren't. why should anybody else take them if that's the case? so it is not israel's problems. it's not america's problem. >> ouch. there is still a perception that there are a lot of voters who

would prefer a candidate who is more compassionate about palestinians. clearly that isn't nikki haley, but some people think she might be. president biden is coming to michigan to meet with voters. the reality is starting to set in for many in our community that they won't forget about the genocide. does president biden have a gaza problem? >> here's what i know coming from a state that is proud to have a robust arab american population and a robust jewish population. people came to michigan from around the world for a good paying job at ford motor company or gm. that's why we have this wonderful diversity. these communities have lived as neighbors in harmony for decades. people are hurting in both communities. there is no question about that.

as we see younger voters engaging and speaking up about what they think the right policy should be, we know voters are not a monolith. they're not one-issue voters. they care about making sure we have a president who is leading, whose worried about people in both communities and trying to find a solution here, as opposed to the alternative which is going to be someone who once promoted a muslim ban. these voters care about climate change and reproductive rights and lgbtq rights and being able to afford a house when they graduate from college. that's why i'm excited about barnstorming the state this weekend to talk about the anniversary of roe and what's really at stake in this upcoming election, because there are a lot of issues here. that's why i think this work is so important and that's why telling people what our president has been able to accomplish is going to be crucial as we get closer to the election. >> absolutely. the president has to try to tell

his story, but on this specific issue, are you concerned that michigan could be in play? because there is a lot of anecdotal reporting that arab american voters are going to stay home. >> of course i'm concerned, joy. i'm always concerned about what way michigan is going to fall in a national election. the path to the white house goes right through this state. this is a very important bloc of voters, but they're also very sophisticated voters who are going to really look at what the alternatives are. at this point, it will get much clearer as we get closer to the election. >> michigan governor gretchen whitmer and spokesperson for the biden campaign, thank you very much. much appreciated. coming up, trump was back in a new york city courtroom today, where a jury will decide how much money he will have to pay

for defaming his adjudicated sexual abuse victim, e. jean carroll, a second time. of course that didn't stop him from defaming her again in a pretrial tantrum on social media. n in a pretrial tantrum on social media.

fresh off his victory in

iowa, donald trump was back in a new york city courtroom for the first day of his second civil defamation trial brought by writer e. jean carroll, stemming from her accusations that trump sexually abused her back in the '90s. unlike the first trial last year, there is no question as to whether trump defamed or sexually abused carroll. a jury found trump liable on both counts. yes, the leading republican presidential candidate was found liable for sexual abuse. apparently that isn't a deal-breaker for trump's devout evangelical followers, but i digress. it's now a question of how much trump owes for his defamatory comments he continues to repeat to this day. just this morning as trump was heading into the courtroom, he posted more than 30 times about carroll, including some of the same defamatory statements that brought him to court yet again. joining me now is adam reese, nbc news producer and reporter who was in the courtroom today

and barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney, university of michigan law professor and msnbc legal analyst. what went on in court today? >> another day, another courtroom. all he had to do was walk across the street. he arrived at 9:30. he walked over to the defense table. he took off his overcoat. ten feet away from him sitting is e. jean carroll. >> first time they've been in the same room? >> first time in 28 years. they didn't look at each other. alina habba made some motions. she wanted to delay the trial. she wanted to put off thursday's testimony because he has to go to his mother-in-law's funeral. judge kaplan is not having any of it. we got right down to jury selection. the pool was asked their age, occupation, what does their spouse do, where do they get their news from. that was very interesting. >> for jury selection. >> and has mr. trump been treated unfairly, was the 2020

election stolen. to those questions a couple people said yes. of course they weren't put on the jury. a nine-person jury is seated. mr. trump leaves to go to lunch. then we had opening statements. e. jean carroll's attorney said the sexual assault and defamation has been settled. he's been found guilty, $5 million. we are here for damages. she has been damaged. her life has been turned upside down. she gets death threats. trump supporters have ambushed her and her life is not the same. alina habba said this is exactly what she wanted. she's famous again. she's getting all the fame and notoriety. she's writing columns and making tv appearances. she will be on the stand tomorrow under direct. cross examination will be very interesting and judge kaplan

will be very strict as to what he allows the attorneys to ask. >> there's also extreme secrecy of this jury, the judge telling them don't use your real names, even with each other. >> you're anonymous. they will be taken to a certain location and then bussed to the courthouse just like last year's trial, same room, same seating. he said if your name is bob, you might want to tell the guy next to you your name is john. >> that shows you the threat they're under because they are adjudicating a case with trump in it. alina habba's name was called because she is now the lawyer, because joe tacopina is now off the case. he has resigned from all cases related to donald trump. whole other issue. we would love to have him on. this is judge kaplan's order, defendant and his counsel are precluded from offering

evidence, argument or comment suggesting or implying that mr. trump did not sexually abuse ms. carroll. >> this is a legal concept known as issue preclusion. a jury has already made findings that donald trump sexually assaulted e. jean carroll. any question that his lawyers ask that goes down that road should elicit an objection from carroll's lawyers and it should be sustained. if it goes so far as to taint the jury, there could even be a jury for a mistrial and a start over so that if there's a situation where they feel like they can't unring the bell. this jury has been instructed that those findings have been made and this case is all about the damages, the amount of money e. jean carroll should be awarded to compensate her and punish donald trump for engaging in this conduct. >> this is donald trump thursday at his press conference. this is the kind of stuff he

does. listen. >> i'm going to go to it and i'm going to explain i don't know who the hell she is. i have no idea. they called me up years ago and said do you know about this women 25 or 30 years ago? she doesn't know the date, the time, the month, the season. she has no idea. >> he does that. what happens? >> i think the question will simply be we're here to talk about damages. that kind of rhetoric should elicit an objection from e.jean carroll's lawyers and she should be admonished to stop. if he continues, he'll be asked to step down. we heard this in his closing argument in the new york fraud case where the judge asked alina habba to please control her client and she wasn't interested in doing that.

>> this is what donald trump is due for. the damages as a result of sexual abuse, $2 million. how high could this go? >> so compensatory, they're asking for 10 million. they could get maybe as much as 15 million. when it gets to punitive, that is up to the jury. there is a reputational expert that will take the stand. her reputation has been damaged. what will it take to get her reputation back? it's the same woman who testified in the giuliani case that resulted in a damage award of $149 million. this could be very expensive for mr. trump. >> fascinating. thank you both. still ahead, the right wing ramps up its war on black history with a fresh assault on the legacy of the reverend dr. martin luther king, jr. e revere. martin luther king, jr

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and the fight against racism in the united states. upon returning from ghana, he shared his experiences in a sermon in montgomery, alabama, where he launched that famous bus boycott before. in his sermon on april 7, 1957, king said, quote, they were crying in a sense they had never heard it before. i could hear that old negro spiritual once more crying out, free at last, free at last, great god almighty, i'm free at last. that line, free at last has become synonymous with king and would later become enshrined as the rousing end to his "i have a dream" speech. ten years after king's ghana trip, a year to the day before he died, king delivered what was arguably his most controversial and politically charged speech

in his entire career. it was a speech condemning the vietnam war. >> we do not stop our war against the people of vietnam immediately, the world will be left with no other alternative than to see this as some horrible, clumsy and deadly game we have decided to play. the world now demands a maturity of america that we may not be able to achieve. it demands that we admit that we have been wronged from the beginning in vietnam, that we have been detrimental to the life of the vietnamese people. >> it is now to assume most americans oppose the war in vietnam, but at the time, king was taking a huge risk. most americans supported the war. it was the anti-war movement who were in the minority. even roy wilkins, head of the naacp, rebuked king, saying

civil rights groups do not have enough information on vietnam or on foreign policy to make it their cause. which brings us to the present day where we are in a moment once again where it is controversial to call for peace. not a lot of clergy are speaking out against president biden on gaza despite a death toll topping 23,000 and american bombs raining on the narrow, crowded strip. but at the grassroots level a lot of people are taking that risk, protesting at the white house, marching, including at the capitol and calling for a ceasefire. it's not always a popular position, but it is a passionate one, carrying political risks for the president just as vietnam did for lbj. toward the end of his life, dr. king's focus was on the poor people's campaign, fighting for a living minimum wage and for labor rights and for stopping the war. people use the same old line from king's march on washington speech every year, but there was a lot more to his legacy, including on world affairs.

he was considered radical and controversial and he was often hated for it, which makes it all the more shameful when conservatives use the mlk holiday to tweet lukewarm fuzzy quotes that they don't even fully understand. the war on king's memory is far more than just misquoting the great man on his birthday. we are now in an era where the right is trying to delete all of the progress of the 20th century, and alongside that attacking dr. king on mlk day. i'll tell you more about that after the break. i'll telyol u more about that after the break.

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commentator, sort of like tucker carlson for the gen z right, who decided to comfort dr. martin luther king junior on martin luther king day. calling it a myth saying it's only out of control, things almost 5% of the 20th century which the implication that he shouldn't be. none of this is new. there is nothing original about racism. in fact, attacking dr. king is what white southern dixiecrats did in the 1950s and 60s and what their errors, the southern strategy republicans did in the 19 80s as the mlk holiday was born. joining me is reverend al sharpton. president of the national action network and my big friend and big brother. let's talk about this attack on dr. king. tacky, but what is a strategic

point of it? >> the strategic point is, for them to dismantle the civil rights movement, which now would be opposing and does oppose those of us that are doing that work now, affirmative action, being removed by the supreme court, voting rights that have been nullified by the supreme court, and all these other things. you have to try and discredit the one that really started moving the country that way. what dr. king did with great courage, and i'm so happy you pointed out, even against some several states follow civil rights leaders who have moved the country toward a hill humane policy globally, where dr. king made that speech in riverside church in april exactly a year before his assassination, it was something that was not popular. the day before died he was 55% negative in the polls in the black community. so this was a man that really set a tone that the late part

of the 20th century went with. and they have to try and discredit him to discredit all of what happened and to justify banning books, banning black history, because of kids reading it they would be far more along the way toward where we were trying to go to build just society. >> you read that quote every year, and people like bill ackerman when he's not writing for thousand word screens on twitter is, or extra winner, is actually trying to claim dr. king would oppose diversity, equity, and inclusion, which sounds stupid, but for him to say that is because they think that's a winning strategy with their supporters. >> and they distort dr. king. they take one line of judge by the color of your skin not the content of your character, when you read the whole speech he talked about american gabe lacks of bad check that bounced in the court of justice. that is the basis of dealing

with affirmative action, to make what up for what you denied. blacks what they won't deal with is that we did not fall behind on natural order. it was the law we couldn't go to certain schools. we couldn't go and use public accommodations. my own mother had to drop out of school in the sixth or seventh grade in the south because that's the way it was. when i started growing up, she couldn't help me with some parts of my homework. she made me do it. but this was because of legal restraints. rosa parks was not taken off the bus because she was against the custom. she broke the law. that's why they arrested her. >> you recently interviewed president biden. i want to take a quick clip of that. >> trump was saying things that were just off the wall. he is the most anti-democratic with a cap with the small d president in american history. the things he saying. and he means them. he's talking about, he's running to get revenge on

people. >> where do you assess where president biden stands in terms of the electorate he needs the most? black voters really carry him in the first time. when you have a lot of young black voters that are against his position on gaza, some even say air merrick earns are saying the same thing. does he seem aware that he has got deficits in terms of his base? >> i think he's aware and i think that he has to come out even more aggressive in terms of how he deals with situations. to be against what netanyahu is doing is does not make you antisemitic or anti israel. clearly a two-state solution that many of us are with but you can't have a two state solution when you have a netanyahu, because he's killing 23,000 people. it's just wrong. many of us denounced october 7th, what are lasted. but you can't say that there's something wrong on one side and not say to kill children on the

other side it's just as inhumane. many people if not most in israel are opposed to netanyahu opposed to his because of his judicial proposals. many in gaza against hamas. so you can't have it both ways. you must deal with the fact that humanity and humanitarianism is not based on who is the one being abused. >> i hate when people say what dr. king would have said this. it's not hard for me to imagine where dr. king would stand on the idea of 23,000 mostly women and children being killed. that's not a stretch. >> you don't have to guess what dr. king would have said. read what he did say. and if you read what he did say, and he did do, then you can make a fair assessment of what you think he would say today. >> reverend al sharpton, always appreciate you. thank you very. much that's tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on all. in >> decision about projecting lower than expeed