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together. >> rafael aka ted cancun cruz endorses the same trump who accused the looks of his wife. >> cruz is one of many cowardly republicans who signed on to trump's revenge tour at the mere price of their own dignity. the alarming parallels between president biden and lyndon johnson as each man faced re-election, including their roles in two very unpopular conflicts. we begin with writer e. jean carroll. long before her name became synonymous with donald trump and her encounter with him in a department store where he was found to sexually abuse her, she was known as a pioneer in the world of literary journalism, ra trail blazing journalist. he works have been published in countless magazines for decades. readers asked to her ask e. jean

column to help solve their problems and hosted her own ask e. jean in the mid 1990s "america is talking". the biggest man handling trick of all is to know there is no trick. all you have to remember is that you're a woman and if you're a woman, you're precious. >> but like many victims of sexual abuse, she did not speak out about her encounter with trump for a long time. and when she finally did, in 2019, she says her life was forever changed. that is because for the past four years she has had to endure defamatory attacks from trump that she says derailed her career, recked her reputation and threw her daily life into chaos. but don't take it from her. a federal jury agreed last year. finding trump liable for both having sexually abused carroll in the 1990s and for defaming her in recent years. now remember, carroll is just

one of more than two dozen women who have accused trump of sexual misconduct. she is the only one thus far who has received her day in court. and today for a second time she took to the witness stand to reveal in detail what the relentless attacks from the former president and his followers, which she said sometimes amounted to hundreds a day and included graphic death threats have done to her. the big difference this time around is that she did so with her attacker, donald trump, sitting just feet away from her in the courtroom. making this week the first time the two have been in the same room together in more than 25 years. and as you would expect with trump, he brought the drama, causing disturbances during her testimony to the point where judge lewis caplan threatened to expel him from the courtroom. he wasn't alone in causing problems. trump's lawyer, alina haba was

also rebuked multiple times by the judge. a prior jury already found trump liable, the only question this jury has to decide is what trump's defamatory comments while he was president and his continued attacks on her have cost her in terms of her career, her reputation and her emotional distress. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst lisa ruben who was inside the courtroom today. claire mccaskill, former senator from missouri, msnbc political analyst. thank you, ladies, for being here. i want to start with you, lisa. talk about the scene inside that courtroom. >> the scene inside that courtroom today was not for shortage of fireworks. every time donald trump comes to court i think i have seen the last of his egregious behavior. he was talking in tones loud enough. if she could hear what he was

saying, then surely the jury, which was even closer to him could hear as well. and on a couple of occasions he was essentially agreeing with his own prior statements. when they showed video of truth social posts he has posted, not only in the last couple of months but even in the last week leading up to the iowa caucuses of him begun denying the same story that a jury found credible, you could hear trump say, that's true. it was a disgrace. and he was admonished for that. the exchange between the two of them was an interesting study. because lou kaplan does not suffer fools. he has warned trump. you have a right to be present here, but that doesn't mean that you can be disruptive. >> right. >> and if you continue with this, i'll have no choice but to expel him. at which point trump volunteered, i know that's what you want to do. and judge kaplan, more in sorrow than anger, you can't help

yourself under these circumstances. what i didn't hear is that trump shot back and neither can you. so this is a person who remains untamed. >> wow. >> he did it again this afternoon. he was not admonished for it and the plaintiff's counsel didn't bring it up, but when he comes back to court next week, he is expected to return, i would tell you i think trump has one chance left with lou kaplan before he is removed from the courtroom and revoked that right to testify that he offered him conditionally. >> what was e. jean carroll's demeanor when he was doing that? and what was her demeanor as she was testifying, what did she testify to? >> e. jean carroll's demeanor today fortunately for her and for her side was just as stoic and quietly graceful as it was during the first trial. if donald trump's presence was bothersome to her, you could not tell in her testimony. however, there was one point where she was on the verge of tears, where she was being asked to read a twitter message that

said in the most vile terms basically that she should kill herself. >> wow. >> she was on the verge of tears. and in contrast to his outbursts when he heard something that he liked, former president trump was totally unmoved by seeing a message where somebody said essentially that she should be raped and sexually assaulted, that she was too ugly for trump to involve himself with and that she should just go and kill herself because she had brought this on herself. >> wow. >> no reaction whatsoever from him. >> that does not surprise me, claire. that is who he is. you know, i just want to play very quickly a brief montage of the way that donald trump has talked about some of his other accusers. >> she said i made inappropriate advances. and by the way, the area was a public area. people all over the place. take a look. you take a look. look at her. look at her words. you tell me what you think. i don't think so. i don't think so. when you looked at that horrible

woman last night, you said i don't think so. i was with donald trump in 1980. i was sitting with him on an airplane. and he went after me on the plane. yeah, i'm going to go after. believe me, she would not be my first choice. that i can tell you. man. you don't know. that would not be my first choice. >> and claire, i'm going to talk a little with you about politics because donald trump is using this as a political set of stuch stump speeches. he didn't have to be in this courtroom today. he's going to make a point. and this is the reaction he got when he did the "access hollywood" tape which he wasn't giving a stump speech, he was admitting he likes to sexually assault women. here is a woman, one of his fans. i saw this for myself with my own eyes in cleveland during the convention the year that he was nominated. and that is what she wore on her body, this one particular fan.

trump can grab my with a down arrow. since his fans don't care, including some of his supposedly christian fans that is why he behaves this way. i'm going to let you comment. >> yeah. first of all, i feel sorry for that woman in that picture. i feel sorry for who she is and the life she's living. i really do. and i think what everybody has to realize here, i do think he will get kicked out of the courtroom. i think he wants to get kicked out of the courtroom. this is a courtroom campaign. this is not a retail campaign. he'll do a few rallies. but he made up his mind. and you can look, joy, once he was indicted on paying off stormy daniels and hiding it in new york, his numbers went up. they bumped up. he was struggling a little bit. i mean, people forget, there was a time when ron desantis was polling ahead of him. and then he got indicted again. and they went up some more. then he got indicted again. his poll numbers have done a

steady climb in terms of consolidating the republican vote on the back of his indictments. he truly believes that the more he's in the courtroom, the more he's acting out, the more he is defying the deep state that's coming after him, the more the grievous gang that make up his supporters is going to be pleased and think that he's their guy. he's convinced them all. it's all bull. he's convinced them all that he's taking these arrows for them because this is what the deep state does to people they don't like. and it has been effective for him so far. i will argue it won't be with swing voters. and i won't with those voters in the republican party who said clearly they'll never vote for him. so it's not like this is going to help him in the general election. >> yeah. >> but maybe he's just not smart enough to see that. >> right. because his fans don't mind. his fans, including female fans, women, who you would think woud have some sort of self regard

and dignity don't when it comes to him. i want to read just for the two of you some of the threats that were made against e. jean carroll, who again, you know, she did a show on the predecessor to this network, my late, wonderful friend don wormly was her stage manager who used to be the stage manager for this show. she did a show. but this is a woman who lost all you know, her sort of public profile because of things like th. i hope you die soon. i hope someone really does attack, rape and murder you, one missive presented in court stated. another simply said, rape jean. rape jean. >> one of the most effective moments in court is one where no one was talking at all. they were asking e. jean carroll, how she felt on reading some of these things. and these were a collection of threats. one of the things they did was have their trial technician,

claire will know well that a good trial team has someone who can call up evidence rae quickly for the jury and everybody else to see, the trial technician literally just did a scroll through some of these hateful messages. they weren't read aloud by e. jean or anybody else, they were there for the jurors and everyone present to look at. and gawk at and digest. i have to tell you, whether said aloud or just absorbed silently, the shock doesn't wear off that everyday americans can be that vile in their speech. but i'll tell you one thing, the jury who found e. jean carroll's story credible, she was both defamed and sexually assaulted, those jurors aren't the deep state. they're ordinary people. they're not partisan hacks. they don't get on the jury if they're partisan hacks. right? so they're not deep staters. and the thing i keep coming back to, to claire's point about swing voters, is judge kaplan opened this trial by telling

jurors, here are the facts you need to assume is true. a jury has found former president trump liable for sexually assaulting e. jean carroll by forcibly inserting his fingers in her vagina. i'm sorry to say this is a family show. that's the guy who is likely going to be the republican nominee for president. and that is a true fact found by a jury of his peers. >> that's right. >> several months ago. that is your nominee. so you need to make a decision about whether you're going to stand with someone who is a sexually assaulter or not. >> i want to very quickly because you are a former prosecutor, claire, let you comment on the other woman who is in that courtroom today and her name is alana haba. it's better to be pretty than to be smart and that's how she got her job according to herself. she also acted up in court, sitting down when she should have been standing before the judge. snapping back at the judge and saying you can't talk to me that way.

the read out of it is kind of shocking. as a prosecutor, have you ever seen a performance like that before somebody who is a member of the bar and has to go back before judges. >> honestly the only time i have seen anything close to it is when there was a defense counsel that was impaired, who had a problem and was impaired and was acting frankly irrationally in the courtroom. but, she is not acting irrationally. she is doing exactly what her client wants her to do. they are there to disrupt. they not there to defend. they are there to win the presidency. they are not there to worry about how much money they find against him. clearly i think what she said today, what the lawyer for e. jean carroll said today, how much money will it take to get him to stop? i'm not sure they can award enough money to get him to stop because he sees his ticket to freedom winning the presidency and he sees disrespect for the court and his lawyer showing disrespect for the court to his golden ticket to the presidency.

>> it's vile. it's absolutely vile. >> it is. >> and every woman in america and every man in america should be -- >> hey, joy -- >> disgusted. >> i have to break in. did you see when dana bash asked nikki haley about this. well, i haven't really been following it. >> oh, god. >> talk about not pass the blush test. she has been following it and a jury has found him guilty of these things. well, if he's convicted. well, he's been found -- a jury found that he did these things and nikki haley is acting like it didn't happen. it's really bad. >> after the access hollywood, not before, after that she became his u.n. ambassador because she doesn't care either. dignity is in very short supply in that party at the moment. it's very sad. lisa ruben, thank you for being in that courtroom. we'll have you come back and give us all of the rundown on it. claire is staying with us. up next on "the reidout," we are taking a look at trump's exhaustive list. exhaustive list of policy priorities for a second presidency which boil down to revenge and retribution and why

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oh, ew! i think you've said enough. why don't we just switch to xfinity like everyone else? then you would know what year it was. i know what year it is. i think we've already seen that president trump is not a highly vindictive individual and that he didn't go after hillary after he was elected in -- >> you're saying president trump is not a highly vindictive? he's literally pledged to prosecute his -- joe biden. he said he would do that. he said he would go after people who wronged him. >> i always have a tendency to look and see what people do, not so much what they say. >> okay, time to break out the old ied eye. ben carson is back and so are his extremely bizarre comments. looks like the gifted hands doctor needs a refresher on

trump's vendetta politics. >> because in the end, they're not coming after me, they're coming after you. and i'm just standing in their way. here i am. i'm standing in their way. and i always will be. i am your warrior. i am your justice. and for those who have been wronged and betrayed, i am your retribution. i am your retribution. not going to let this happen. i just hope we get fair treatment because if we don't, our country is in big, big trouble. does everybody understand what i'm saying? i think so. wmgt well, that's just a sampling from this election season this time alone. we talk about trump all the time, we need to talk about his voters. i know. i know it's not popular in the media world to not venerate the great american voter. but tom nickels writes in the atlantic, these particular voters want revenge awell on their fellow citizens. the republican base aively embraces trump's grievances. it emulates his petdtyness and

suppor h child like inabilityo accept responsibility. ese voters are not sighing in resignation and voting for the sser of two or three or four evils. they are getting what they want. because they, too, are set on revenge. back with me is former senator claire mccaskill, and joining us is dean of the columbia school of journalism and staffer for the new yorker. i want to talk about the media's role in all of this because we were talking during our morning call, our therapy call, as we call it, about you know, the question of whether the media has always kind of pulled back when it came to number one criticizing the american voter and looking at them a little more with a little more circumspection but even candidates like trump. style pieces on adolph hitler, he is going to moderate himself when he gets into office and

actual power is in his hands. i feel like that is happening again because people don't want to come at the voter. they are saying yes, we want a dictatorship. yes, we like autocracy. and it's just not being examined. >> sure. part of this -- there's a historical problem and contemporary problem. the historical problem is we cooked the history books. we talk about the tradition of democracy in this country, we don't talk about the tradition of anti-democracy, of all the reactionary and authoritarian elements that have survived throughout the duration of american history. always there. sometimes more latent than others. but always potent. and that translates into the contemporary version. when we are covering these stories without the vantage point of just how wildly anti-democratic this country has been at various points in its history, we have an inflated sense of the impregnantability.

you report on the outrageous things as quirks of a particular person or oddities. and so that's part of what explains the durability of trump and trumpism. the last thing i'll say, one other thing, you remember when we were debating about whether or not this was economic anxiety. >> i was literally just going to follow -- you read my mind. yes, i do because people didn't want to accept it's not economic anxiety. it's demographic panic and racial anxiety. to your very point, the reason we needed rachel maddow to exist in the world, for most people to know, how many americans were fascist and were pro hitler in the 30s. people wanted to believe that all of america wanted to overthrow hitler and was disdainful of fascism, there was a giant chunk of america that was for fascism and wanted to replicate a hitler in

washington, d.c. >> look at the love letters essentially that hitler wrote about american society. >> and to henry ford. >> and to henry ford. and to the fact that he went so far as to send attorneys to the united states to study jim crow before they implemented the nuremberg laws. there was all these hints and indicators that we have this anti-democracy problem that we don't want to talk about. so, yeah. it's there and it's always been there. we don't want to talk about it. claire, there is a group of republicans who know better, right, who know better either because they have religious values or moral values or political values that should make them know better. and yet they behave as if they're completely numb to it. let me play one of them. this is mike johnson, the speaker of the house, who is a vowed bible believing christian. one would think he would bring his moral views to bear when it comes to things donald trump says. here he is being asked by cbs

news "face the nation" whether he agrees with donald trump's statement that immigrants are poinzing the blood of this nation. >> that's not language i would use but understand the urgency of president trump'sed a moe in addition. he has been saying this that we have to secure the border. i think the vast majority of the american people understand the necessity of that. >> right. >> and i think they agree with his position. >> but that statement goes beyond what you are personally comfortable with. >> it's not language i would use. but i understand -- >> it sounds hateful. >> god bless margaret brennan, claire? your thoughts. >> yeah. you know, it is -- listen, there are people who know better. in fact, i have said br and i'll say it again, one of the very few places that the majority of college-educated people support donald trump is the republican elected representatives in this

country. whether they are state legislatures, whether they're members of the house of representatives, or whether their united states senators. they know better. but they have sacrificed their principles for power. and what donald trump has done -- i mean, we've got to give him credit for this. he is a marketer at heart. that's all he is. he is a huckster. and he figured out that main lining grievance to people who feel like they've played by the rules and that some how they are supposed to be better than other certain types of people and i think it was very hard for some of those people to look at the tv and see the most powerful man in america with his beautiful family, barack obama, as president of the united states. and donald trump felt that in his gut and he knew he could go there and he has repeatedly. blaming mexicans and not micro chips for the lack of jobs. blaming mexicans for any crime

that happens. trying to make everybody who is other the bad guys. and that is a classic move. and it is a campaign that is based on grievance and appealing to these people who feel like they have been passed over and looked over. and unfortunate thing for us is that the guy who is running for president who actually gets these people, who actually has working class values in his bones is joe biden. >> and that tees up the fact that it isn't just trump. it has metastasized to the point where the governor of texas is lamenting the fact that his troops can't shoot people who are coming over the border. where we have a mother and two children, 10-year-old and 8-year-old killed in his barb wire. and this is something that goes unremarked upon and also unpunished. greg abbott got re-elected

resoundly. people don't care you have taken voting rights away, women's autonomy away and just gets re-elected. >> so when you look at populism in this country, when you look at the type of populism that we're talking about, this is all classic kind of right wing populism. even down to the threads of racism and the prominent themes of anti-semitism, all of it. you go back and say what these kinds of movements are in american history, point for point for point. the thing that i think is important to remember, and this is probably one of the things that the election will be contingent upon, is that there is another tradition of populism in this country. dr. king is part of that tradition. >> yes, uh-huh wchx we talk a lot about george wallace. we don't talk about henry wallace, the interracial populous movements. we're not here to oppose immigrant mps we recognize your humanity. we're not here to oppose any religious group. we're opposed to anyone being

exploited. >> there you go. give me back the radical republicans. they were dope. let's go all the way back. up next, we're jumping into the time machine and taking you back to 1968 when president lyndon bans johnson suddenly ended his election campaign before the nominating convention even had time to begin. it's a period in american history that offers stark warnings for the current president joe biden. i will explain after the break. k

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there are many paur legals in the political careers and administrations of our 36th president, lyndon johnson and our 46th, joe biden. both elected to serve in washington at a young age. and rose to become influential senators, with johnson becoming majority leader and biden chairing important committees. senate judiciary and foreign relations. both served as vice presidents, to young charismatic former political rivals from a new generation in politics, john f. kennedy and barack obama. obviously their paths to the presidency were very different. but once in office, as we so frequently say, history rhymed. both pursued ambitious domestic agendas, completing the zil rights agenda started under jfk and launching the great society social agenda in johnson's first two years and big economic items like the infrastructure law for

president biden. now, as we enter president biden's re-election year, the parallels to lyndon johnson's 1968 start to pop up again. take the perspective republican opponent, a paranoid, written off political loser trying to make a comeback, presumably so he can abuse presidentialpower. after all, trump has already borrowed richard nixon's southern strategy which has become republican dogma since 1968 and heavily recycled his racist fear mongering law and order rhetoric for two elections now. on the democratic side, it's not a mirror image of 1968 but there are eerie parallels. a democratic convention in chicago this summer and robert f. kennedy in the race, just like in 1968. but none of that touches the most glaring parallel, an overseas war, albeit with some major differences. lyndon johnson, 1968 meant

vietnam. the escalation of that war brought protests from all over, peace activists, civil rights organizations and leaders from martin luther king jr. young people and students, many of whom face the prospect of being drafted to fight and die halfway across the globe. ultimately, johnson decided not to run for president again. for joe biden, who is seeking a second term, it's american support and financial backing of israel's on going war against hamas. in which more than 24,000 people have been killed in gaza since the war began. including more than 10,000 children. there are no american forces on the ground in this war and no draft. but it is backed by billions of american taxpayer dollars and perpetrated with the help of american 2000 pound bombs. and it's caung a new generation of young people to turn against a democratic president over a war they object to, with some even weighing sitting out this election rather than choosing between donald trump and joe biden.

back with me is jelani cobb. a guest on the show in the past said, it's called 100 days of hell in gaza. points out we all live in a far and more interconnected worl access to reports, videos, images, et cetera from the ground in an instant thanks to the advent of social media and online sphere. their voices heard, plight visible for all who want to see despite control of original media access. >> there's a huge difference. obviously there's a very big difference between the robert kennedy in the race then -- >> a whole different kind of kennedy. >> very different one, too. i also think one other key difference is that, you know, we lose sight of the fact that people actually thought of richard nixon as comparatively moderate. remember in 1968, when he gets the nomination, the previous

person was barry goldwater. >> right. right. >> and so, actually could pass nixon off as a kind of moderating figure in republican politics. that's not the case with donald trump. >> yeah wchx and so, you know, huge polarizing figure. i would say nixon and trump have in common having lost the presidential election prior to this. >> and the crimemyness is similar. >> the other piece dean phillips has no shot. not on the ballots anywhere. he has promised in a phillips administration he would hire elon musk and bill ackman, the guy who chased claudine gay out of the harvard presidency. he's setting a tone which i don't think will help with democrats. >> yeah. i don't think that will win him any votes, necessarily. >> not at all. but for biden, though, talk about sort of where he stands. i mean, he has this war. he has a passionate affiliation and love for israel. he will stick with it.

he will not change his policy. he has this problem. he's going to michigan soon. it's not clear arab american leaders will meet with him when he gets there. some are like i don't want to. how do you think he is navigating this and do you think he is navigating it or do you think he's sort of putting it aside? >> yeah. it's a very difficult position and it's one of the things that people have noted about one reason why the democratic party hasn't polarized in the same way republicans has is because of the diversity of interest. the fact that you have -- in michigan lots of democrats who are arab-american and lots of jewish americans who vote democratic. so it is the complexity of the high wire act he has to do, the nature of the democratic party. now, if we also want to carry the 1968 analogy forward, humphry inherited, the fact that lbg stepped aside, didn't mean those problems went away. >> right. >> even lbg had his own

misgivings about humphry, whether he would withdraw from vietnam. >> right. >> he essentially inherited the problems that were at lbj's doorstep. to the people thinking, well, maybe if president biden decides he's going to step aside, there will be some other democrat that will -- they will inherit the same sort of conundrum. >> the other difference is, because although richard nixon was a crimey individual, when it came down to it, he stepped down. he was willing to put american democracy before his own self interest and part of his self interest was getting pardoned, which he did get. if donald trump were to be the richard nixon and win in 2024, he ain't going nowhere. there's a good chance he stays in office. there's no one there who has the strength. ted cruz has fallen down on his knees. who would tell him you have to get out of office. >> if you think about it, you listen to what bob woodward said about this, and what bernstein said about this, both saying even in trump's administration,

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today, leonard leo's conservative supreme court heard a major case that could potentially undermine the government's ability to make sure the air youhe isn't polluted the wanteder around you isn't full of cls or gun regulations. this is a larger more nefarious network of groups like coke industries, gun manufacturers, e-cigarette companies a the big pharma industry who want to roll back a 40-year-old ruling that supports government regulatory power. what they really want is for the supreme court to reverse a 1984 decision they created something called the chevron difference. that's a supreme court doctrine which is now precedent, something this current court doesn't care much for where federal judges grant federal agenciesitude how to

interpret legislative statutes that are vague. judges are supposed to follow a two-part process. examine the cononal language and if the intent is clear the matter is settled. the language is ambiguous, the ruling court must troefr the agency how the law should be carried out. that makes sense. let's defer to the experts. but that's exactly why big business hates it. they don't like regulation. they don't want to put in place costly protections. why waste money making sure you're not drinking money when they could make more money not caring about whether you're drinking poison. the anti-regulation argument seemed to fly with the majority of supreme court justices including the man seemingly hired to kill chevron, justice neil gorsuch. gorsuch, the son of ronald reagan's epa administrator worked to slash air and water quality regulations said chevron deserves a tombstone. alito, kavanaugh shared that.

how did the arguments go today? >> they were bad, joy. to be very clear, what this case is about is power. right? because congress is going to write a law. they're going to be gaps because congress is making political deals and also generally incompetent, right? who gets to fill in the gaps? the way it is right now and the way it's been for the past 40 years, experts get to fill in the gaps. people who know things get to fill in the gaps. science and math and facts get to fill in the gaps. >> we can't have that. >> what the conservatives want is to take that power away from the president, away from the executive ageies and give it to themselves. there will still be regulation after this case, it's just that neil gorsuch gets to decide how much mercury is allowed to be in the air and john roberts gets to decide how many people can die in a thresher hill accident before we declare it unsafe and brett kavanaugh gets to decide what banking regulations really should matter. so it's really the biggest -- i said this before, this case

represents the biggest supreme court power grab, taking power away from the people and giving it to themselves, since 1803. >> and the thing is, they were hired for this purpose. i want to play for you, this was don mcgahn saying that they actually looked for judges who would deregulate which is why they picked neil gorsuch. take a listen. >> there's a major effort in the trump administration coherent and strategic and articulated to try to do something about reigning in the regulatory state and justice gorsuch is an expert on those kinds of issues and the chevron doctrine. talk about that. >> well, it's not the coincidence. it's part of >> there is a coherent plan here where actually the judicial selection and the deregulatory efforts are on the flip side of same coin. >> i think what really infuriates people, including myself, is that this is not

jurisprudence. this has not been finding something looking at the constitution and seeing what the law is. it's a setup. they want to deregulate, they want to get rid of abortion rights, they want to get rid of voting rights. they just want to rollback the 20th century. >> now we have to talk about neil gorsuch's mamas. she was reagan's head for the epa. but she was one of the people to make the epa succeed? no. she wanted to destroy the epa from the inside. this case we are talking about was actually the government, the judges, the liberal judges, giving her leeway to destroy the epa from the inside. but it didn't work. because back in 1984, conservatives thought they were more likely to hold the presidency than the supreme court. roll forward 40 years, and neil gorsuch, the nepo baby that he is, is continuing the family business of destroying the epa. but he realizes that unlike his mama, he can't be voted out. his people can't be stopped. he has lifetime power, and this

is part of the general conservative movement. they understand that judges hold lifetime power and are not subject to the win of the people. and so destroying the regulatory state through judges is now preferable for conservatives as opposed to trying to win their arguments at the ballot box, where they often fail. >> this is where the idea of expanding the court is starting to catch on with people who originally postponed it. they have a political agenda. any regulation other than the regulation they impose themselves, and in women's rights, any women's rights to an abortion, ending civil rights, just basically rolling back the entire 20th century supreme court jurisprudence, they are doing it so systematically that they are unstoppable. >> at this point the difference between a progressive's a progressive justice versus conservative, is liberals believe in fact in the conservatives believe in vibes. and they are reviving out right now. they are winning on the vibes and remaking the law back in their image of the 1950s and

1960s. >> how long before they get to brown v. board or segregation schools can't get tax cuts. that's what they were -- >> it was on clarence thomas's list. >> and that's his own family, interracial marriage, you want to keep that one. does this look like a 6 to 3 or 5 to 4? >> this is gone. >> leonard leo has bought this. >> this is what he bought and paid for in this is what they're going to do. i do think it's going to be a 6 to 3. there's something with roberts where he might overturn it without saying he's overturning it. but this is going to be bad. >> elie mystal, don't label our off this, because if neil gorsuch didn't say there could be regulated, you're gonna fall. breaking news as u.s. forces carry out another strike against houthi rebels. more next. against houthi rebels. more next. more next. >> ♪♪ with our laser-measured floorliners... ♪♪

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designated the houthis as a terror group. it's a move that came after the yemen-based militants launched scores of drone and missile attacks on u.s. military ships and commercial vessels operating in the red sea. in response to israel's assault on gaza. the u.s. and its allies have responded with multiple strikes on houthi controlled areas of yemen, including earlier tonight when the u.s. military hit multiple missile sites in yemen after the u.s. owned commercial ship was struck by a houthi attack grown today. there's a larger history here. while biden was vice president, the obama administration helped

support the saudi war against the houthis. biden had actually removed that terrorist designation from the group when he became president, to help alleviate the humanitarian disaster yemen was experiencing after years of and famine. his administration had participated in intensive engagement with other u.n. security council may members, which the brookings institution described as essential for yemen's peace efforts to advance. the houthis are just one part of the broader conflict that has been escalating ever since hamas attacked israel in october and israel responded with a military barrage that has killed 23,000 plus people in gaza and counting. the houthis are backed by iran, which has also launched missile strike in iraq, syria, and pakistan, over the past few days. earlier today, retired u.s. army general barry mccaffrey had a stark warning on the severity of the situation. >> look, we're in a regional

war. it's centered in iran. iran has a lot to lose from having this go catastrophic escalation. but they are now carrying out direct strikes to iranians in syria, in iraq. the israelis have run out of room. the global opinion is turning against them. if they lose the support of united states and public they will be in terrible trouble. so they've got to negotiate now the truth and get their hostages back. >> a very serious situation that we will be keeping an eye on right here at the reidout. and that's tonight reidout. all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> if not, the trial will go on and it is. >> needs a brick wall in court. >> judge clapping for the second time today reminded former president trump, you do t