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damming assessment of the police response to the uvalde school shooting, what a newly released report reveals about cascading failures of leadership and decision making as 21 students and teachers were murdered. breaking news in donald trump's georgia election case. the hearing just scheduled on the misconduct allegations involving fulton county d.a. fani willis, and the special prosecutor she hired. also breaking news on the crisis in the red sea, we have just learned that the u.s. has launched a fifth round of strikes on the houthis as tensions rise in the region. and ready for launch, we are live at kennedy space center as four astronauts prepare to blast off. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, but we begin on the ground in uvalde with nbc justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. i want to get into this extensive report from the justice department about the failures inside the walls of robb elementary. what more can you tell us?
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>> reporter: good afternoon, chris, this nearly 600 page report both reinforces what we already knew about the failures that day and adds to the picture with some disturbing new information. in terms of what we already knew, we knew that those officers who responded did not do the right thing. they didn't immediately go in and try to take down the shooter. after they took fire, they retreated and then it was 77 minutes until they ultimately responded. and the report goes into pain staking detail about all of the bad decisions that were made along the way, and it really reinforces that there was no excuse for inaction, they had a lot of evidence in front of them. the shooter was shooting, there were wounded children in the classrooms, some of whom had called 911. one officer knew that his wife was in one of the classrooms shot, yet the people who had supposedly taken command did not manage to order a response.
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that's what we knew. what we didn't know, though, was athe failures went beyond the police response and extended into the medical response. i sat down with the associate attorney general, vinita gupta, who oversaw the probe, and one of the teachers who was fatally wounded was taken out of the classroom and placed on a walkway without medical attention, and died there. there's no way to know if prompt medical attention could have saved that woman. she talked about a failure of miscommunication and failure to inform parents about the status of the children, leaving these parents in agony. some parents whose children survived were told they were killed and vice versa. one group of parents waiting for their children were told that one more bus with survivors was coming, which was false. she described it as unconscionable. attorney general merrick garland talked about something that was not in the report but looms large, which was the military style weapon that the gunman
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used. take a listen to garland. >> our children deserve better than to grow up in a country where an 18-year-old has easy access to a weapon that belongs on the battlefield, not in a classroom. and communities across the country and the law enforcement officers who protect them deserve better than to be forced to respond to one horrific mass shooting after another. and that is a terrible reality that we face. >> reporter: so the 18-year-old gunman purchased that ar-15 military assault weapon legally but the fact that he had it colored the entire police response. it was clear from the officer interviews that they were terrified to rush a person armed with such a weapon, and that really sparked a lot of
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inaction. it wasn't an excuse because it's happened many times before. brave officers have rushed in, and ultimately they did, and they were able to kill the gunman without taking casualties, but the fact that he had that fire power contributed to the police inaction that day, chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you for that. now to that breaking news from georgia, a judge setting a date to hear misconduct allegations against d.a. fani willis. nbc's vaughn hillyard joins me with the latest. what do we know. >> this stems from the filings of one of the 19 codefendants. michael roman, in a court filing earlier this month is seeking to dismiss the charges, not only against him but those other 18 codefendants on the basis of fani willis, the district attorney from fulton county who filed this indictment and the special prosecutor that she appointed to the role alleging that the two of them have been engaged in a romantic relationship in which the financial benefits of the special prosecutor has received
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through payments are through fulton county have been used for personal trips and to benefit the couple's romantic relations. now, the judge scott mcafee, who's overseeing the pending criminal trial set february 15th as a date in which there is a hearing to hear this claim to have the charges dismissed. now, fani willis's office, the d.a.'s office has said they will respond accordingly, not in the public, but in a filing that is due on february 2nd per the judge's orders. so we should be receiving more word from the district attorney and the defense of the allegations that have been leveed by one of these defendants and ultimately on february 15th a hearing to determine whether the charges stemming from fulton county would be dismissed or whether there's any legitimacy to the claim that is being put forward by one of those defendants, michael roman. at this point he has not
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provided any actual evidence supporting his claims here at this time, but of course this will all come out here in the weeks ahead, ahead of the february 15th trial, chris. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you for that. and moments ago, we learned the u.s. fired another barrage of missiles on houthi targets in yemen, taking out what the military says was an imminent threat to ships in the red sea. nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell joins us now. what are we hearing from the biden administration about this, kelly? >> well, this is new information that is emerging and it was a part of a conversation that john kirby who speaks on behalf of the national security council had with supporters on air force one, traveling with the president to north carolina. he was asked about this and provided this update, now, a fifth time that the u.s. has taken this kind of strike. what we have seen over a period of days now is that the houthis have been targeting israeli attached ships and u.s.
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installations, and there is a concern about their ongoing efforts to either cause this to become a wider war or to do direct interference into supplies going into israel and so forth, and so the u.s. position along with allies like the united kingdom, they want to degrade that capability and to do it as quickly as possible. the president himself was asked about this earlier today, and he said that it will continue, and he acknowledged that it is not stopped the houthis actions yet, but they believe it is the right course of action to try to go after their military capabilities, they're based in yemen, affiliated with iran, and to try to send the message to iran as well that this will not be tolerated, so this ongoing military engagement, expected to continue, chris. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you. right now, the count down is on for another spectacular launch on florida's space coast. nbc's marissa parra is at the kennedy space center.
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four astronauts set to blast off in just a couple of hours. tell us about the mission. >> reporter: hey, chris, let's see if second time is the charm. they were supposed to launch yesterday. as we tend to see with these things, there was a delay. it got scrubbed by a day. expert says statistically speaking, one in three launches get scrubbed. this time, they wanted to get engineers a time to get a second look at energy modulators. that's a fancy word for the parachute straps on board. there's no room for error with these types of missions, especially when it's a crude mission. this is the first crude mission of 2024. this is also the first private european crude mission heading to space, and so we're going to give you a chance to hear from some of those astronauts, and the second one you're going to hear from will become the first astronaut from turkey, take a listen. >> i think you appreciate each one a little bit more, especially when you realize just how rare an opportunity it is.
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>> i'm really proud and honored here representing not only myself but my beautiful country in the name of future generations. >> reporter: so big picture, when it comes to the mission of this particular launch, they're doing a couple of experiments. they always do experiments regardless of what the company, who the company is behind the launch. they're going to be looking at things like tumors, detection and prevention when it comes to diseases like cancer in space, the effects of micro gravity on tumors. they're looking at how micro gravity might affect food taste. and axiom's big picture here, they're looking to build a commercial space station one day. so all of these experiments are small steps to take a look at what human civilization and populations would look like long-term. and all of this amid big news in the space world. for anyone following, art mis's mission to the moon has been
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delayed. this is something the space world did anticipate. they expected this to happen, but officially announced it in the last week. instead of end of this year, they're projecting end of next year. a lot of big news in the space world but this small step expected to happen in 2 1/2 hours here. >> marissa parra, thank you so much. more on the chilling details in the newly released report on the uvalde shooting. what it says happened after someone urged the children to say help as the gunman was still there in 60 seconds. re's to beag these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. with nurtec odt i can treat and prevent my migraine attacks all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion and stomach pain.
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>> i hope that the failures end today and the local officials do what wasn't done that day. >> it's hard enough waking up every day and continuing to walk out on these streets and walk to an heb and see a cop that you know was standing there while our babies were murdered and bleeding out. >> we're going to continue fighting that some type of change is made in honor of our kids. we have nothing left but to fight for them. we are their voices now. >> joining me now, former fbi counter terrorism division consultant and msnbc national security analyst, clint watts. and former assistant d.a. for the manhattan d.a.'s office and msnbc legal analyst, catherine christian, here in studio with me. clint, i want to go back to one the things in this report, page 134, quote, more than one
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survivor recalled hearing someone say help if you need help a when a child tried t say help, the subject reentered room 112 from room 111 and shot him. it said it's possible a police officer uttered those words. i think overall, though, that's one of so many examples. they can't say and won't say definitively that this reaction cost lives. but is there any doubt in your mind knowing what's in it? >> it definitely did, chris, and i think i probably watched that video with you there, you know, in an interview multiple times. every time you see that, you see the officer standing there out in the hallway, you almost want to utter do something. you can tell that something needs to be done. you know, the officers are out there. and i think there were officers in that hallway that day that were, you know, trying to make motion or were trying to move forward and were told not to. i think the thing that just keeps coming up in the report is
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more people died than needed to for three different reasons, really. one, they didn't close with the target. you know, the assailant, and eliminate him. and that's consistent with what we've seen in many responses now is lots of people have gone in, eliminated the threat and saved people's lives. the second part is chain of command, no one really understood who was in charge that day. there wasn't rehearsals, there wasn't preparation for it, and third is just communication. both during the incident and with the families, just continuous incidents of communication breakdowns, and so when you put all of that together, it is the opposite of what the response should be to a shooting of this nature. >> catherine, the attorney general said today that this report does not address criminal charges because they don't have any federal jurisdiction. but the families made it clear they want action taken. let me play for you some of what they said.
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>> even the d.a. can't get fully in our way of investigation. it ought to be, to your point, it ought to be said that the d.a., with the help of the ag here in texas is fighting the disclosure of a lot of this important information. so the d.a. is effectively, you know, the d.a. has a job to do, we understand that. but she's locked up this information that these families deserve to have access to to evaluate their legal rights. >> the frustration was palpable today. what are the chances that that information they're looking for will, indeed, come out, and to what extent will this report inform ultimately whether or not there are criminal charges, do you think? >> well, it will be very hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these officers who failed in every respect committed an intentional negligent or reckless act. what this district attorney can do and other district attorneys can do are issue reports, grand
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jury reports and other reports, similar to what doj just did, outlining, again, all of the failures, and explaining why they can't be criminally prosecuted, and then those families, they have a lawyer who was just speaking can file a civil suit and maybe get some justice on the civil side if they can't on the criminal side. >> in let's say the case of driving. i'm going to make a bad legal comparison, so you'll know i make my legal credentials. if somebody gets killed, and let's say you distracted the driver, i don't know whether or not that is a punishable offense, but i'm wondering if inaction, not just by the 400 officers, but by the people who commanded them, if it can be shown that that led to the deaths of people like a child who called out at the behest of somebody who was in that
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building and then the shooter heard them and went in or someone who had injuries that needed to be tended to, that couldn't be tended -- you don't think there's a possibility? >> you're talking about official misconduct. i'm not sure whether texas has this charge. again, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. people who have a lawful duty to act, police officers who fail to act, that could be a theory of a criminal prosecution, which, again, i want to keep bringing up, proving beyond a reasonable doubt. yes, i see where you're going. it's a good analogy. but it is. you know, they had a duty to act, and this report, and i didn't read 600 pages, they didn't declare it was an active shooter when clearly there was an active shooter. i think the deputy attorney general says the law offices every day run to danger to protect people and to risk their lives. these officers did not do the basics of what you expect from
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police officers. so the d.a. is investigating and it will be -- i'm sure if she can find a charge that she can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, she will find one. >> my colleague, morgan chesky spoke with the family members of an 11-year-old who was killed. i want to play that for you. >> they lied to us the whole entire time they were standing out there, and little did we know that she was already gone. so yeah. >> you want to believe that you could have saved her. >> this is why i am so angry with those officers that were right outside the door, right outside the door, had the opportunity to do something and didn't. >> there was another dad who talked about the fact that, you know, he goes out and he sees
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officers that were there that day still on the job as if nothing happened. how do you even begin in a community like this to rebuild trust and how important is it to be able to show the d.a. that every possible step was taken for accountability? >> yeah, on the latter part, i think the report kind of lays out those things. it knows where -- it actually lays out recommendations and most of those are things, everything from policy and planning, this is what we're going to do, building out what the chain of command would be, and what you call the mous, memorandas, having public rehearsals, and the rehearsal, the key part is how would you communicate with families throughout one of these incidents. this is not the first time we have seen a school have a mass shooting incident and have law
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enforcement have to go out and communicate. what are some of the effective techniques for doing that. what is the right way to do it. the last part is trust, you have to demonstrate through action. you can't tell people what you're going to do. you have to bring the community in, let them see for their own eyes, you know, what the changes are that have been made, how things are being changed, what they're going to be doing. that means law enforcement getting out there and doing the community policing principles that we talked about all the time. getting out in the community, building the relationships of trust, and demonstrating to them that something like this will never happen again. >> clint watts, catherine christian, thank you both. demolition is under way at the scene an anti-semitic attack. 80% of the tree of life synagogue is coming down. the plan does include a sanctuary for the congregation, an education center and the country's first anti-semitism museum. the tree of life ceo telling our
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donald trump is once again returning to the playbook he first used in the days when he was demanding to see barack obama's birth certificate.
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this time, though, the target is nikki haley. in a truth social post widely seen as a racist dog whistle, trump attacked nikki haley using her first name, which he misspelled adds nimrada. haley is the daughter of indian immigrants. he shared a truth social post that suggested haley wasn't eligible to be president because her parents weren't u.s. citizens when she was born. joining us is robert gibbs, white house press secretary under president obama and an msnbc political analyst. eugene scott, a senior politics reporter for "axios," matt gorman is a republican strategist, former senior communications adviser for tim scott for america, and aide to both jeb bush and mitt romney. robert, you remember all of this, i'm sure all too well. trump was asking illegitimate questions about president obama's birth certificate and
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intentionally repeating again and again, barack hussein o ba ma. do you think what he's saying is just noise or something that need to be called out? >> i think it's probably a bit of both. i think anybody that is going to campaign like this needs to be called out. as you said, this started ten years ago, fifteen years ago. this is the tried and true donald trump playbook. i also have no doubt that he's trying to throughout out different things on truth social to create issues and distractions and whatnot to try to get through new hampshire with a victory. this always has to be called out. this isn't how anybody should be campaigning in either party for the nomination let alone the presidency. >> a lot of people are looking at this, eugene as kind of a political strategy, right, a two-fer, rallying his base, weakening the candidate he now sees as his biggest threat, but
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is there something bigger at stake here, as you see it, and as you report it? >> well, i mean, it definitely is part of a strategy, a strategy that we saw him employ in iowa. he certainly wants to turn out his base, but one of the things he wants to do, and this was effective in iowa is turn out first time voters who share the concerns and world views and values of his base. that's a real issue with diversifying of america, and seeing people in leadership that do not reflect their ideas of who should be taking control of this country's vision, and by playing into that, by noting this, which we also have seen him do recently when he talks about his immigration policy, he's hoping to remind them that he is best positioned to put forward an agenda for america that is consistent with what they desire. >> new hampshire's governor, chris sununu has backed nikki haley, responded to these attacks like this. >> i mean, it's just his play
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book, his way of trolling, those things are really to rile his base up. he knows he's not going to convince anyone to come to his side with comments like that. >> i don't know, matt, does he know he's not going to win over voters. what's behind this? >> we have seen this in the past, he's a little bit back on his heels, he wants to pick a fight about nikki haley's name, her background, he wants her response in the last four or five days to be about this. chris responding is one thing, a surrogate responding is one thing. he wants nikki to respond. i wouldn't be surprised if he kept trying to poke at it a little bit. if she can get through this a little bit, and push through, at least she's arguing on better ground than she would have been. >> this tactic is something vice president kamala harris has been facing as she campaigning with president biden for reelection. i want you to take a listen to what close trump ally tucker carlson said just this week. >> joe biden is going to have a
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very hard time getting reelect, much less serving another term, it's impossible to imagine that. the party cannot replace him because that would long beach kamala harris who is more unpopular than he is because harris is a member of the new master race, she can not be booted off a presidential ticket. she must be shown maximum respect at all times no matter what she says or does. >> how from a communications standpoint, from a political standpoint should democrats handle something like that? what do you think, robert? >> i think in some ways, look, as i said earlier, i think you have to call this out. and i think you have to, you know, but i would quickly then pivot to what the biden/harris campaign and what the ticket is trying to do, and just say, look, these are campaign tactics that are stuck in the past. this is tucker carlson, a man making $20 million last year, now selling $9 a month subscriptions to a you tube channel, and he's not done all
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that well in the last year, but i think it absolutely has to be called out and pivot to what you want to talk about. i agree with both the guests who say, look, this is donald trump trying to distract, and donald trump trying to make political points. and the key is respond and pivot so that this doesn't become the thing that everybody wants to spend three days talking about because that's not going to help anybody. >> but we do know in the past it's been effective, right, so eugene yr colleagues write about kamala harris just this week, saying she's s as heck that trump might win. there's an argue in new york magazine. signs of exhaustion are everywhere in politics today, and that may be the most dominant attribute of the national mood. did democrat leaders you talked with, democrats in general worry that the anti-trump coalition of 2020 is simply exhausted in 2024? >> that's a real concern.
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and we know this for a fact. i helped oversee the "axios" swing voter project, and when i talk to swing voters, they are not as engaged as they were in 2020. they have tuned out much of the news and have forgotten many of the things they found so problematic about trump because time has passed and so biden is in a difficult situation where he has to remind people who he is and who trump is, who might not even be listening and may not be listening before the election at the same numbers and embrace that they were in 2020. >> there's also a new piece in the atlantic, matt. it's titled, you should goo a trump rally. for many americans, the former president has become an about -- abstraction. if donald trump has benefitted from one underappreciated advantage this campaign season, it might be that no one seems to be listening to him very closely anymore. is that a real problem for democrats? a lot of people just kind of
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tuning out donald trump and looking at not those aspects of it that may be racist, that are lies, but looking at just sort of, oh, look at the enthusiasm around him. oh, yeah, a lot of people are saying out on the campaign trail how he's kept his promises. remember where he was, when he left office. they felt exhausted by him. he was everywhere, a part of our daily lives whether it was twitter, press conferences, him going away for the last four years. >> he hasn't gone away, though, has he? >> him going away, he's not a part of the daily life anymore. when he posts on truth social, it doesn't get the wall-to-wall coverage. that's a challenge of the biden administration, you're right, he's not everywhere. he pops up every now and then. as we get more to november, he certainly will become more ubiquitous than a year ago. >> matt gorman, eugene scott,
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president biden today has his sights set on a state that voted republican in every presidential election except one since 1980s. we're talking about north carolina where joe biden lost by about 1 percentage point to donald trump the last time around. nbc's allie raffa reports from north carolina. i understand that he just tried to draw a contrast with donald trump during this speech where you are. you're in raleigh? >> reporter: that's correct, chris. the president here today really
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for one main reason is to push the economic agenda and what he sees as his legislative accomplishments while he basically uses the powerf his platform as president to also run for reelection. this is something we have seen him do over the last few months, and during this speech that was focused on what the biden administration has done to expand lower cost, high speed internet access for people here in north carolina, he also used that opportunity to take some swipes at former president trump, who is likely to be his 2024 rival. listen here. >> our approach, super charged by my predecessors. everything was trickle down, but not a lot trickled. i'm serious. that trickle down shrank public investment in education. hollowed out communities, closing out factories, leaving too many behind and now my
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predecessor likes to say america is a failing nation. bless me father, for he has sinned. i mean, come on. a failing nation. we're doing pretty damn well economically, he wants to see the stock market crash, you know why, he doesn't want to be the next herbert hoover, as i told him, he's already hoover. >> reporter: and, chris, as you said, this is a state that has a reputation for being purple. it has voted red in every presidential election since 1980 with the exception of 2008 when former president obama won this state, and that is a pattern that the biden campaign is hoping to repeat during the november elections. and that's something that we could expect more stops here to north carolina in the coming months. chris. >> thank you so much for that. we've got breaking news on capitol hill. congress is one step closer to avoiding a partial government shutdown. just moments ago, the senate
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passed a short-term funding bill, 77-18 that will push the current government funding deadlines to early march. the house is planning to vote later today, and then will be sent to president biden's desk ahead of tomorrow night's deadline, and by the way, those votes got moved up because of the weather, and another storm system is on the way after a deadly week of winter weather killed at least 37 people nationwide. that arctic freeze broke records from montana all the way to alabama icing over roads and leading to scenes like this one in washington state. lots of cars in ditches after sliding entirely off the highway. in central iowa, a 43-year-old man is now recovering after a neighbor foundim passed out in his c with hypothermia. the local sheriff's office says he pulled over i a storm and whe out of his car, his dog lock hem out, he stts the window to get back in and drives away, but then his car runs out of gas, and he becomes stranded
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in the extreme cold. nbc meteorologist michelle grossman is here with me. what a series of unfortunate events and how bad is the next storm going to be? >> depends on where we are. we have lots of cold air in place. we're going to see another arctic blast come this weekend. that's setting the stage for a lot of snow. look at the alerts from the west, to the northern tier of the nation, to the mid atlantic, down to the southeast. 79 million americans impacted by winter weather alerts, an advisory, a winter storm watch, a winter storm warning, a lake effect warning because we could see another foot of snow along the great lakes or downwind of the great lakes. in the pacific northwest, we've seen a lot of ice in the interior parts of the pacific northwest. you can see really active on the west coast, we're looking at lots of heavy rain, that could cause localized flash flooding. pinks, purples, we could see a
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quarter inch, half inch of ice. where you see the glue, that is the snow falling, we're going to see feet of snow in the cascades, we see snow in the central plains, really cold there too. we're going to get another blast of arctic air there too. we have a storm system in the southeast, these two are going to phase together. they're going to join forces, and snow moving into portions of the mid atlantic. most of this not reaching the ground, we're looking at the mid atlantic, appalachians, snow tomorrow. it's going to be a tricky commute in the morning throughout the day and also the afternoon, in those areas. as we go throughout the day, we'll see snow spreading from the rockies to the midwest and a new system bringing snow, rain and ice to the tennessee valley. merging together we're going to see snow overtaking the mid atlantic, northeast, into parts of new englandment we're going to see a storm system a lot like what we saw monday. not a whole lot of snow, 1 to 4 inch, but still enough to cause problems on the roadways. we have strong winds ramping
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over the lakes, 35, 40 degrees. when you have the cold air going over the lakes, we get really heavy snow band. we have seen 2 feet of snow downwind of lake erie, lake ontario. we're going to add another foot of that. the rainfall totals, lots along the coast. the darker colors, we're seeing the heaviest amounts, and that could cause flash flooding. back to you. >> michelle grossman, back to you. still to come, the middle east on edge, new deadly missile strikes and the growing fears of wider conflict. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. (christina) with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data. so, no matter what, i'm running this kitchen. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't.
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today, yet another new element of uncertainty in the middle east with pakistan launching strikes against targets in iran, apparent retaliation for an iranian attack in pakistan days ago. targeting terrorists of their own nationality who were hiding out on opposite sides of the border, emphasizing that they are not fighting each other. in a region roiled by war in gaza and attacks on the red sea, the danger of a possible escalation is high. nbc's iran bureau chief ar ri riari joinss om iran. >> reporter: pakistan launched
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the attacks in iran, after iran carried out attacks in pakistan on tuesday. pakistan's army said they were precision strikes. they were conducted with drones, rockets and long range missiles targeting terrorists. pakistan fiercely condemned iran's strike on tuesday, which struck an area of pakistan near the border with iran, in which islamabad said killed two children. iran insists its strikes were only aimed at an ethnic sunni muslim military group that have carried out multiple attacks inside iran over the years. now, these reciprocal air vehicles come as tensions in the middle east are high with several overlapping crises, and the fear is this latest flare up may get out of hand and open up another theater of war. however, chris, there are strong
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indications from bh sides iran and pakistan who have cordal relationships that they want to contain the situation. they want to step back from the brink. firstly, it's important to note that both iran and pakistan frequently have to navigate tensions along their poorest, long volatile border. although this is a serious incident, it's not the first, and significantly, pakistan targeted the liberation army and not military targets in iran, which shows this was a proportional response from them and it doesn't want to escalate the situation. even though ambassadors have been summoned, the rhetoric from both sides seems to signal a desire to keep the commotion tr breaking out into something more serious. chris. >> ali arouzi, thank you for that. to exclusive reporting on the effort to strike a wide ranging diplomatic deal that could reshape the middle east. before october 7th, israel,
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saudi arabia and the u.s. were moving toward a deal to normalize relations between those two powers, set a pathway to the state, and accomplish a pact that could deter iran and its allies. all of that was cast into doubt when hamas launched its attack on israel. now, though, we're learning that deal might have new life after all. nbc's raf sanchez is reporting from tel aviv. what do we know about where these talks stand right now, raf? >> reporter: so, chris, this is a big sweeping proposal, not just to end the war in gaza or to release the hostages but to basically end the century long israeli palestinian conflict. no one thinks this is going to happen tomorrow. no one thinks this is going to happen anytime soon, and the history books, of course, are replete with big sweeping proposals to bring peace to the middle east. what is notable here is the saudis are making clear that the
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prospect of a peace deal with israel is still on the table. post october 7th. there has been a lot of discussion in the region that given the massive loss of life in gaza, 25,000 killed in israel's offensive, the enormous destruction that it may become politically unpalatable for saudi arabia to make peace with israel at this point. but the saudis under crown prince mo, we heard that when he was here in israel a few weeks ago. the price that the israelis would have to pay is a pathway to a palestinian state. now, this government, this far right government led by prime minister benjamin netanyahu has made very clear they are not goin to allow a palestinian state to be created on their watch. we heard the prime minister saying it as recently as two hours ago, holding a press conference here in tel aviv.
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is there potentially diplomatic wiggle room that a pathway might be acceptable, talks about talks might be acceptable, we'll see. there's a big carrot, if he could bring his government around, and that is a peace deal with saudi arabia, something that would be historic. when i interviewed the prime minister earlier this year, he made clear it was an ambition of his to bring peace between israel and saudi arabia. it would be a major part of his legacy. whether we'll come together, we'll see. >> raf sanchez, thank you so much for that. and that is going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. jose diaz-balart hosts "katy tur reports" right after this quick break. ick break. nurtec odt may help. it's the only medication that can treat a migraine when it strikes
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