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on tape and under oath. newly released video shows the former president making wild a claims about his business, his brand, and himself. the new details from the deposition in trump's civil fraud case and what it could mean for the judge's verdict still to come. plus, nikki haley amping up the political attacks as she tries to do what no republican has done in nearly eight years, beat donald trump. as she aims for an upset in the new hampshire primary, does haley have what it takes to shock the country and save her campaign? and transportation secretary pete buttigieg will join me later this hour to talk about multiple terrifying incidents in the sky, a source familiar with the investigation into this incident tells nbc news they found a softball-sized hole in the engine. we've got the latest on that coming up. but we start with six hours of never before seen video showing donald trump testifying under oath in his civil fraud case, and it is something to see. the former president boasting

about everything from his world class properties and billion dollar brand to his own performance as president claiming to have saved millions of lives. all of this, of course, was before the former president was found guilty of fraud. we're waiting to hear how much that fraud will cost him. the judge has said he expects to make his decision by the end of the month. this deposition is giving us new looks into trump's defense including the idea that he was too focused on being president to run his company and make money. >> i was virtually not involved at all. i'd rarely have anything to do with anything having to do with the company. i wasn't -- i really wasn't interested, believe it or not. i was interested in solving the problem with north korea, which was ready to blow up. i think you would have had nuclear holocaust if i didn't deal with north korea. i think you would have had a

nuclear war. >> i want to bring in jonathan lemire, white house bureau chief for "politico" and host of msnbc's "way too early" kristy greenberg, also with me msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin. lisa, i'm going to start with you. somewhere in that piece of sound we just played, donald trump trying to make the case that he couldn't have committed fraud because he was too busy being president. >> well, at least for the period of time after 2017 when his boys were running the company, he is saying i was no longer involved in running the business. i left that to eric and don jr. for that period of time. they have to answer to that, and of course he would say that they ran the company beautifully. >> overall in this case, is it a defense? >> no, it's not a defense for a couple of reasons. one, donald trump's generalized defense is he was always too busy doing something else. he wasn't that involved in the statements of financial condition, and he says that nobody should have relied on

them because they had what he calls this worthless disclaimer clause. that's problematic in a bunch of different ways. first of all, they were provided to banks and other prospective lenders and insurers who of course relied on them at least in some way to then ask questions and to get additional information, which the trump organization didn't provide to them in full, right? >> yeah, what are the other themes of this tapes is that trump talks a lot about his brand, and i want to play part of that. >> if i was trying to make high statements, i would have added the brand in there because i would have had whatever number you're looking at, you could have added at that time -- and this is 14, 15 years ago, i could have added -- i could have added another 2.9 or $3 billion to. many companies have brand values bigger than the company, and that's true -- i believe that's true with me. i think my brand value is probably my greatest asset, even though it gets tarnished like

this by people suing me. >> is he right to say or could it be at least a strong argument that his brand alone justifies some of these inflated assets and that he would have been within his rights to make the numbers higher than somebody who didn't have his brand? it's important to note that these statements of financial condition have express language on this point. the language says that the goodwill that's attached to the trump name has significant financial value, and that it is not reflected in the preparation of these financial statements. okay. that's language that was reviewed and approved by those in the trump organization. but, in fact, the brand premium, at least for some properties, for some of the golf courses was actually added to the financial statements. it just wasn't disclosed, and that's what you can't do. you can't actually say in the statement we're not reflecting brand value and then do it and don't say that you're doing it. so they're trying to have it

both ways, at least with respect to some of those properties, and it really doesn't work. i think the other thing that's problematic is what is the brand value? they had an expert, this professor eli bartov, and he said, well, donald trump is worth billions, and that's not included. but billions is not exactly precise, nor did he tell you how he gets there. it was the same in alina habba's closing. she said my client's worth hundreds of millions, let alone billions of dollars. nobody's kind of saying how they get there, what the value, and again, at the end of the day, it wasn't reflected in these statements in a way that was disclosed. and that's the part that the lenders and the insurance companies were focused on. they were focused on what were in these statements they could rely on? >> yeah, the what i really meant was defense often doesn't work very well. jonathan, there's another point where trump kind of shakes his head, and he's talking about what kind of deals he could have made as president.

here's that. >> we purposely didn't do very many deals after i became president, although i could have done more than ever. when i look at what's going on now, i say i didn't believe that i did this, but i would do it again. we purposely didn't do very many deals, almost none, but you know, unless it was an active deal that was ongoing prior to my winning. but we didn't do very many deals. we could have done a lot. >> even if he wasn't making deals as this president, his company was making money then, including money with foreign countries. if he's reelected, do you think that hesitance that he seemed to at least express on that tape, goes out the window? i mean, that's the democrats' argument or warning, right? whatever trump did the first time around will be far more egregious if he wins this time. >> first of all, i can't help but shake my head at trump's attempt to be selfless there. could have made a lot of money.

i didn't. but we know he did still profit off the presidency. house democrats a few weeks ago revealed that report how he made millions from foreign governments who were staying at his then trump branded hotel just down the street from the white house. now, that hotel doesn't belong with donald trump anymore. yes, there's absolutely widespread concern among democrats and government groups that were trump to take office again, there would be nothing stopping him from trying to make more money. you know, to raise money off of being in office. like that he did, you know, largely adhere to the principle of not making new deals while he was in office. who's to stop him that time around? he'll have impunity. a lot of democrats keep coming back to this idea. it's not just that trump himself is arguing for full criminal immunity in that truth social post yesterday, his lawyers have argued for it. he doubled down on it on fox news last night suggesting that not only that any president should not have to ever face criminal prosecution, which frankly sounds like a bit of a

confession from his first time in office, but also a bit of a warning as to what would come if he were to take the presidency again, but also, if trump were to win after being impeached twice, after facing at least four criminal charges, 91 different counts, you know, the civil cases, the january 6th insurrection, the mishandling of the pandemic. the list goes on and on and on. if he were to have survived all of that and then win again, i know a lot of democrats say he would be unfettered and unchecked, and there'd be nothing stopping him from conducting a presidency of personal vengeance, and attempt to profit off of it, particularly if trump comes in with republicans controlling the house and the senate as well. no one's going to stand up to him. >> yeah, what would there be to indicate that he can't do anything he wants, right? even with these very serious allegations hanging over him at that point, trump can't help boasting about himself, his company, his assets and at one

point his golf course in doral. >> i could take the blue monster, which is a legendary golf course, one of the greatest courses in the world, actually. one of the favorite courses of pga tour players, and we have a big tournament there in october. we have the final -- the final a very, very big tournament in october. it's a very big course. it's a very powerful course. it's a very important course, sort of a landmark course actually. >> there was a lot of that sort of thing, kind of rambling, going off on little tangents. why did the a.g.'s lawyer let him do that. was it a mistake, or was it tactically smart? >> i think it was mostly tactically smart because you know, chris, as well as i do, as well as kristy does, and john does as well, when trump is left to his own devices to talk, he invariably, forgive the expression, steps in it. the deposition he gave in the e.

jean carroll case which was infamously used to great effect from her first trial is proof positive of that. that's where he essentially didn't deny the access hollywood tape. he doubled down on it and said, if you're a star, historically they let you do that. that deposition was incredibly damning for him and so too on this are some admissions that can prove damaging to him. the thing about the brand value as kristy explained is one of those. he also talks in this deposition at great length about his net lisa and his mona lisa's and renoirs. count noon to maybe come up again in the ongoing e. jean carroll trial where in awarding punitive damages, this jury is allowed to consider how much donald trump is worth. because if you're trying to punish someone, if they only have $10 in their pocket, that's very different than punishing someone who has hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars in their pocket. if i'm robby kaplan and her team representing e. jean carroll

right now, i'm poring over this video. >> kristy, before you go. i have to ask you about trump's election interference case in georgia. we're going to do a much deeper dive on in our next hour, what seemed like almost a tabloid story has now turned into something bigger. fani willis is now facing a hearing to explain these allegations of an improper relationship. she's also fighting a subpoena to testify in divorce proceedings. how serious either a distraction or a threat is this for the d.a., and could it impact the case against trump? >> so i think it's what you said. i think it's a distraction. i don't see it necessarily as a threat to the underlying charges. there it's really going to be what is the evidence, the strength of the evidence, and the investigation that she put together. you know, any kind of relationship she may have had with one of the other prosecutors, it's not clear to me that really touches on the evidence in the case.

but it is a distraction. it's something you really don't want to be dealing with when you're prosecuting a case of this level of significance. you really don't want to be scrutinized for things that are entirely personal when you're trying to maintain really professional relationships and make sure your case is treated with the utmost integrity. we'll dig much further into this story in our next hour of "chris jansing reports." we have nikki haley's sarpest attacks yet on her former boss. will it be enough for her to win new hampshire and maybe really mount a challenge to the republican nomination. >> the majority of americans don't want to see two 80-year-olds battling it out for president. out for president.

nikki haley is stepping up the attacks against donald trump including targeting his age, and putting the former president in a rare position on defense. >> do we want more of the same, or do we want to go forward in a new direction? and more of the same is not just joe biden. more of the same is also donald trump. the majority of americans don't want to see two 80-year-olds battling it out for president. >> i feel like i'm about 35 years old. i actually feel better now than i did 30 years ago. is that crazy? i feel better now. and i think cognitively i'm better than i was 20 years ago. >> and then there's ron desantis today finding himself in the unenviable position of seeing his political obituary being written even before the first primary on tuesday. nbc's ali vitali is covering the haley campaign on the ground in

new hampshire. carlos curbelo is a former republican congressman and an msnbc political analyst. jonathan lemire is back for "politico" and of course "way too early." ali, nikki haley is picking up the cadence of her campaign. what, she's got like six stops today alone. what are we hearing from her? >> reporter: look, it's looking and feeling, chris, like someone who's in an all-out sprint to try to win the new hampshire primary, though of course that's not the metric for success that the haley campaign is even laying out for themselves right now. haley has just continued to say that they wanted to be strong in iowa, stronger snil new hampshire and stronger than that in south carolina. listen to me when i asked her what her best case scenario is over the course of the next few weeks. >> governor, can you detail sort of your best case scenario for the next month? obviously the best case is you win new hampshire, what does it look like after that? >> you all have decided you want

to talk about what the scenario is going to be. i have told you from the very beginning and been very consistent. i said i wanted to be strong in iowa. i feel like we did that. we started at 2%, we ended with 20%. i was happy with that. i said we want to be stronger in new hampshire. we're going to do that. we won't know what stronger is until the numbers come in. and then i want to be stronger than that in south carolina. >> reporter: and look, it's not shocking, chris, you know this so well from being out here on campaign trails past, candidates don't love to talk about the process. but i think for those of us who follow these campaigns, yes, we are importantly focused on what's happening on the ground, but we're also looking at the delegate math and trying to figure out what a path to a nomination looks like so we can better understand the strategy and help explain it to viewers like the ones that are watching right now. but for haley, she's doing this fascinating game of going on offense, ramping up the number of events she's doing, changing the way that she's going at the former president, but also playing a bit of defense here too as she's listening to people

like trump, but also ron desantis continue to try to muddy the waters on her record. she was urging the media there to try to set the record straight. that's something that she did on fox news this morning trying to once again bolster her conservative credentials to that key group of voters that tend to watch that cable network. but then of course there's the reality that we just reported in the last few minutes, i confirmed with a source familiar that senator tim scott, the other south carolinian who was initially in this race, the man that nikki haley when she was governor elevated into the senate back in 2012, that he will now be endoring not his fellow south carolinian, but the man who won iowa, donald trump, tonight here at a rally in new hampshire. when i asked nikki haley about that just as she was leaving, it was after she gaggled that that news broke, she ignored the question, but of course that's certainly one where we're watching yet again someone who nikki haley has a political and personal relationship with going back towards trump. you'll remember that in iowa, it

was senator marco rubio who endorsed the former president. that's someone who nikki haley in 2016 through her weight behind in the south carolina primary. of course only to see trump dominate rubio and everyone else who ran in 2016 as well. >> okay, carlos, what do you make of the way nikki haley is handling this, not wanting to really talk about her strategy except to say we're going to get better every time. i mean, does she have any other options than what you're seeing from her right now? >> well, chris, you can hear her very carefully managing expectations, but the bottom line is that nikki haley needs a strong showing in new hampshire, and i define a strong showing as either winning new hampshire or coming in a very close second. campaigns depend on momentum. people who fund campaigns want to see their candidate succeeding doing well, growing, and a distant second isn't going to be enough for nikki haley if people are going to continue fueling her campaign.

so she really does need that. some polls indicate that she might have a chance, but to have a very strong showing to give donald trump a scare, maybe, maybe even to beat donald trump. but that's what's at stake here, if she wants to continue credibly in this race. now, you hear both her and desantis saying they're in it for the long haul. i think another bet some of these candidates are making is that donald trump's legal troubles might eventually catch up with him. but in terms of electal strategy, nikki haley needs to have a very good night in new hampshire. >> jonath, your colleague writes is over and over as she campaigned here this week, haley insulted her former boss in ways she had restrained herself from doing for much of the past year. on top of that she and her allies repeat lid skewered him on social media. maybe she's come to the conclusion that the maga base was never going to go for her anyway, and it doesn't hurt her to be a little tougher.

having said that, i wonder if the biden folks or democrats are happy to see somebody besides them going after trump for a change. >> yeah, no question there. that was one of the miscalculations biden aides have privately acknowledged to me. they thought this whole primary process, this whole campaign, they thought republicans were going to do their work for them and take shots at trump all along. that didn't happen. we have seen the biden campaign had to ratchet up their own attacks because they were alone in doing so, save for chris christie perhaps and the occasional broadside from asa hutchinson. now we're seeing nikki haley do it. i think some republicans think too little too late. the sense for her is she's got not much to lose. new hampshire is not necessarily a maga state. yes, he's popular there, but it's not a deep red state like some of the others where perhaps these attacks would not go over as well. i think it is haley seeing the reality of the moment. i agree with carlos, she needs to have a strong showing. probably needs to win or come

very, very close in order to frankly keep her campaign going. i know that the next state is south carolina, her home state, but she is down 20, 30, 40 points in the polls there. and i would argue there's a better chance that instead of fighting her way through south carolina after a disappointing showing in new hampshire. if she gets blown out in new hampshire, i'd argue there's a better chance she drops out to spare herself the humiliation of getting blown out in her home state. desantis is signaling he's going to stay on, probably banking on some sort of outside event, like trump's legal elements catching up to him. we'll see if he follows through. there will be a real rush in the gop that if trump wins big in new hampshire next week, far more republicans will hop on board. there will be more endorsements and increased pressure on haley and desantis to drop out, rally around the front runner and turn their attention to biden. >> let's talk about desantos. he is back there. he has an event scheduled later this afternoon. his campaign's obituary is already been written.

"the new york times" why wasn't desantis the guy? and in "politico," they called it the the worst campaign in history. and yeah, he does say he's going to stay in. he says he's got the resources to stay in, in fact, past super tuesday. but if he does come in third in new hampshire -- and i mean a distant third -- does he survive that long? >> well, he's not going to get any more money for his campaign, so he's going to have to rely on existing funds, on the funds of the super pac that's supporting him, still has at his disposal if he wants to continue. again, at that point it would be very obvious, chris, that the only reason ron desantis would be staying in this race is in hopes of donald trump having some kind of legal issue, donald trump may be getting convicted in one of these trials, and that kind of scrambling the race, or maybe provoking some kind of situation at the convention, but other than that, these candidates unless they have some strong showings, unless they

show that they have some public support among republican primary voters, substantial support, they're really not going to be able to credibly stay in the race. >> carlos curbelo and jonathan lemire, thank you. stay warm this weekend. if you want to know more, msnbc's steve kornacki will be live on youtube that's today 3:30 eastern time. he'll be taking your questions in realtime. the dangerously cold arctic chill sweeping the nation. we've got details on how this dog helped michigan police save someone who fell in an icy lake. plus, a big interview this hour with a member of the president biden's cabinet, secretary of transportation pete buttigieg talks to us about the new issue with boeing planes after one of those planes caught fire in the air. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. it's your verizon.

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today we're learning a top super pac for president biden raise add whopping $208 million in 2023, according to "politico," that massive haul likely gives biden a significant financial head start ahead of the general election. it comes as brand new data s a massive uptick in americans' confidence in our nation's economy. consumer confidence now at its highest level since july of 2021 up 21.4% from this time last year. that's from the university of michigan's consumer survey. nbc's mike memoli has the latest from the white house for us, also with me, cnbc's eamon javers. they think things have been getting better for a while even though it doesn't show up in his poll numbers.

tell us what these latest numbers suggest. >> it means consumers are feeling great about where the economy is. it's up 60% from its all-time low. that is a big turn-around, and traditionally in any normal political environment a president and incumbent presidential campaign would be grinning ear to ear with a number like that and they would be able to translate that into gains in the polls. all of the economic numbers are trending biden's way, the stock market, the s&p 500 clearing an all-time high earlier today, just a short time ago. that's good news, gas prices are coming down, come down significantly since the summer. that's good news. the stock market, as we say, is high. the jobs report in december was a monster jobs report. all of those numbers should be the kinds of things that an incumbent president can take out onto the campaign trail and turn into poll results. if the biden campaign can't do that over the the next month or so given the kind of numbers we're seeing here, you would think this is going to be a year where it's not about the economy stupid, this is a year where

it's about all the other things that have so polarized american voters and have everyone's minds so hard and fast right now in terms of where they are politically. this is an opportunity for the biden campaign. we'll see if they can translate that into gains in the polls. >> yeah, and the other thing they've been trying to do, and you know this, mike, and looking at you, i'm pretty sure you're not at the white house, it looks a little more like you're maybe with the campaigns in new hampshire, but having said that, so they're out there announcing today a $4.9 billion student debt forgiveness plan as the president was just in north carolina, when he was talking about bidenomics. i mean, look, there are people who have criticized the white house for focusing on the economy, saying, look, it's not working, but what might these kinds of changing numbers on consumer confidence mean for the campaign? what are you hearing? >> well, chris, it was really remarkable when you listened to president biden yesterday in north carolina, he actually was giving the same kind of numbers that eamon was just giving us.

he talked about the consumer confidence data. it shows you just how important the biden campaign does think the economy will continue to be as an election issue. yes, the president started the year with that major speech about threats to democracy. he also is going to be holding his first joint campaign event next week with vice president kamala harris focused on the issue of abortion. but the economy will continue to be a big part of the president's message. this announcement about student loans today speak to what there's a particular concern about. the biden campaign knows there has been disappointment, that he hasn't been able to forgive as much student debt as he had hoped to because of the supreme court. it's still a major factor. i am in new hampshire, we're catching up with what is the main challenger to joe biden for the nomination here in the democratic party. dean phillips, he's talking about where he still sees weakness in the president's numbers. listen to part of the conversation i had with him here in new hampshire today. >> the reason i did this is because joe biden cannot win this next election. he was the only one that could

have won in 2020. he's probably the only one that can lose this in 2024. most people know that. it is not dean phillips that caused the president to have the lowest approval numbers in modern history. it is not dean phillips that has caused the president to be behind in just about every battleground state. >> reporter: and chris, as we talk about turnout, we just got in the last few minutes a prediction here from the secretary of state of new hampshire about what the primary turnout on tuesday will look like. it really just shows that the democratic primary not being competitive with president biden, not being on the ballot has depressed the numbers somewhat. the secretary of state predicting that 322,000 republicans will come to the polls. that includes undeclared voters who will vote in the republican primary, but only 88,000 ballots will be cast in the democratic primary, that's less than the total vote than we saw in the 2020 presidential primary here. >> mike, always good to see you, eamon, thank you as well. now to breaking news, a partial government shutdown has officially been avoided fornow. just moments ago the white house

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some more trouble today for boeing, just take a look at this terrifying video of flames shooting out from an atlas air cargo plane. the flight was on its way to puerto rico when it had to divert to miami for a reported engine failure after takeoff. the faa is now investigating, and nbc's marissa parra is reporting for us from miami international. what new details are we learning following i understand there was a preliminary examination of that atlas air engine. >> reporter: yes, and according to sources familiar with that preliminary investigation -- and i apologize if there's loud planes taking off around me, we are in front of miami international airport so that might happen as i'm talking here. according to sources familiar with that preliminary investigation, there was a softball-sized hole found in

engine number 2 so i'm told by people also familiar with the investigation, that's something they're going to be looking at and looking for is whether this was a contained or uncontained engine failure. let's go back to what we know so far in terms of what happened. there's very few details. we know this plane took off 10:22 from miami international, it was headed to puerto rico. it was less than eight minutes later they made that emergency landing right back here. when we look at communications between the crew on board and air traffic control, you can hear those may day calls, and they talked about an engine fire. we have received a statement from atlas air that there was an engine failure. we know that there was just five people on board. this was a cargo plane, but we do know it was a boeing plane, and chris, as we're waiting for details, we know the ntsb says they're going to send a crew to look into this. as we're waiting for details on where the blame lies, this comes just two weeks after we saw that video, those viral videos from that other boeing plane.

that was a boeing 737 max-9, and we know that the faa grounded certain boeing 737 max-9s so that they can be fully investigated, and to my understanding, the faa has inspected 40 of the 171 grounded planes in that incident. but separately, of course, a lot of questions on what exactly happened here with that plane with atlas air here at miami international. >> marissa parra, thank you. joining us now is transportation secretary pete buttigieg. secretary, can you give us any more information about what might have happened on that cargo flight with five people on board? >> obviously we're all seeing those images and it's a reminder of, first of all, the professionalism of flight crews. faa is investigating. in these cases often you will have faa plane one roll, the independent ntsb or national transportation safety board playing another role. i'm not going to get ahead of any investigators who obviously are going to be very early in that process. what i will say is at any time

these investigations of an incident or sometimes even something that just could have turned into an incident that gets caught, anytime that happens, what follows is an investigation, and if anything emerges from that, about anything in the stages from all the way from the design of an aircraft to its maintenance, to its choices that were made that day related to that flight, all of that can be considered, and all of that affects the work that goes on, going into the future to keep aviation safe. the track record of the u.s. aviation, the fact that flying is the safest way to travel in the united states is not something that the faa ever takes for granted, and it's why you have such a dedicated focus resources going into investigating every incident and learning from it. >> and those statistics are clear. plane travel is very safe. if you look at these two incidents, the idea of being in a plane where during flight, a door blows out or what would have been a door or catches fire, it's terrifying.

can you assure americans that boeing aircraft are safe? >> what i can tell you is that no plane is authorized or allowed to fly by the faa until the faa is satisfied that it meets every safety condition that it needs to. if that ever comes into question, then it doesn't fly, and that's what's happening with the specific subtype of 737 max air craft for example, right now, that are grounded and will not return to service until it has been demonstrated to the satisfaction of the faa that it is safe. but every time i get on an airliner, which i do every few days, i know that i am kept safe, and all the families on board are kept safe by the professionalism of everybody involved in the aviation sector, whether we're talking about the faa or whether we're talking about flight crews on board. >> the two airlines most impacted by the alaska air incident is, of course, that airline, and then also united just because they flew that plane so much. today, according to flight

aware, alaska airlines canceled 20% of its flights, united, 9%, i can't say how much of that is about the weather, but is there a realistic time line here at the very least, do you think the airlines are prepared to deal with, say, upcoming spring break, if those planes aren't cleared to fly? >> what i have to say is that the time line can only be dictated by one factor, and one factor alone, which is safety. look, i think if you followed our department's work, especially over the last couple of years, you know how focused we are on on time delivery, pressing the airlines to make sure that there are fewer cancellations and delays. it's why the number of cancellations, the rate of cancellations last year is about 1.2% is the lowest recorded in ten years, we care about that. it does not matter as much as safety matters. nothing can be prioritized over safety. obviously the airlines are adapting, doing what they can with alternative equipment or

adjusting their schedules. we want them to be able to successfully get people to where they need to go, but the only consideration that can go into when those aircraft go into service is safety. >> do you feel, mr. secretary, that boeing has been cooperating fully during this process? >> what i'll say is that i have conveyed to boeing's leadership the severity of our concerns, and they have pledged to do everything necessary to make sure that anything that is found is fixed, but that's not something where we just go off of pledges. there is an extremely rigorous process taking place with regard to these specific aircraft, and more generally. faa is reviewing the process and the procedures, making sure that the system that we have is adequately meeting the needs. you know, the way it works is that the faa lays out standards, very high standards. the faa is responsible for publishing and updating those standards. the manufacturer is responsible for meeting them, and when it

comes to maintenance, obviously the airlines have responsibility too. making sure they're the right checks and balances on that process is something that is always subject for continuous improvement. again, we never take for granted the safety record of u.s. aviation. it's just an astonishing fact. right now, if you are watching this program, this interview right now, sitting on board an airplane, you are safer than almost any other context that we could imagine you sitting watching this interview. that didn't just happen, and that's not something that you can think of as a sort of destination that we've arrived at the destination of safety. every incident, every potential incident, every question that gets raised is cause to go back, continuously improve the process and maintain what it takes to have millions of flights travel every year, land safely, and everybody get to where they're going, when they need to be there, and again, most importantly to get there safely. >> i understand that today is your birthday. i wonder if maybe you're going out partying with joseph and

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