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tonight on "the reidout" -- >> friends of mine have said you are the most honest person in the world. you have done a good job. >> our first look at trump's deposition from the new york civil case. and of course, he's the most honest, smartest, richest, tallest person we have ever had ever, in his own mind. >> meanwhile, trump says there will be bedlam if the supreme court doesn't keep him on the ballot. plus, the right wing advocacy group moms for liberty has become a force in conservative politics by getting books removed from school libraries and by limiting the teaching of race and lgbtq

issues. tonight, i will be joined right hoar on set by tiffany justice, cofounder of moms for liberty. >> and nikki haley doubles down on her claim that america has never, ever, ever been a racist country. after telling fox, quote, joy reid lives in a different america than i did. well, all righty, then, i will have some thoughts. but we begin tonight awaiting a number of key decisions from various levels of judicial system that will not only greatly impact our upcoming election but our democracy. donald trump's lawyers have finally filed their appeal to the supreme court over the colodo supreme court decision to take trump's name off the primary ballot for having engaged in the january 6th insurrection on the u.s. capitol. violating section 3 of the 14th amendment. trump's lawyers claimed somewhat ironically that failure to insure their client's name can

appear on election ballots would threaten to disenfranchise tens of millions of americans. and would lead to chaos and bedlam. funny how his lawyers are sounding more and more like trump every day. >> it's bedlam in washington right now. bedlam. it's a mess. i have never seen anything like it. if we have to go through four years of this bedlam, of this turmoil with clinton. >> it was bedlam. remember? >> it is bedlam and death. >> biden supporters are causing mayhem in the streets. if he wins, there will be nothing but bedlam all over the place. >> looks like bedlam. >> bedlam in the country. >> bedlam that's been caused. >> i think bedlam is joe biden. >> the word of the day is bedlam. trump last night sent a pretty direct message to the supreme court justices who will hear arguments on this case next month. >> well, we put on three great justices, and you have some other great justices up there, and they're not going to take the vote away from the people. i mean, right now, you saw in the history of the iowa primary, the history of it, it's a

long -- goes back a long time, i won by the most. i'm sure the supreme court is going to say, we're not going to take the vote away from the people. >> also, coming to trump's defense, as his lemmings always do, nearly 180 congressional republicans including 42 of the 49 republican senators, signing on to an amicus brief to the supreme court. it includes people like those who were fearfully running for their lives on january 6th, like mr. masculinity himself, josh hawley of missouri, as well as some who went as far to say at the time that trump was to blame for the very insurrection. >> former president trump's actions preceded the riot were a disgraceful, disgraceful dereliction of duty. there's no question. none. that president trump is practically and morally

responsible for provoking the events of the day. no question about it. >> when it comes to accountability, the president needs understand that his actions were the problem, not the solution. >> and speaking of mitch mcconnell, he was also the one who said add the time that while the senate did not choose to convict trump following his second impeachment, there were other avenues to hold him accountable. >> president trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office. as an ordinary citizen. unless the statute of limitations has run, he's still liable for everything he did while he was in office. didn't get away with anything yet. we have a criminal justice system in this country. we have civil litigation. and former presidents are not immune from being accountable by either one. >> and to that point, we are still awaiting a decision from

the d.c. court of appeals over trump's claim of absolute immunity in his federal election interference trial, which could come at any moment. this is trump's leading defense, that he hopes will be his get out of jail free card for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election that resulted in the january 6th insurrection. joining me now is catherine christian, former manhattan assistant district attorney and msnbc legal analyst, and dean obeidallah, host of the dean obeidallah show. thank you for being here. i want to talk about how quickly this process, catherine, could potentially come to fruition and we could find out whether donald trump has this magical total immunity. let me let you listen to merrid on the question of a speedy trial. >> the prosecutions that you're talking about were brought last year. and the special prosecutor has

said from the beginning that he thinks public interest requires a speedy trial. which i agree with. and the matter is now in the hands of a trial judge to determine when the trials will take place. >> your thoughts. how quickly could this get done? >> well, some of us were hoping that the d.c. circuit court of appeals would have their decision today. and that didn't happen. so hopefully it will be next week on their issue of whether or not he has presidential immunity. most of us lawyers believe that they're going to say, no, he can be criminally prosecuted, but then there's the next step that he will get to see if he can get the supreme court to take it, and how long will that take. judge chutkan said this week that, you know, basically that the trial is not going to happen on march 4th, but can it happen in april or may or maybe june? so it's all up in the hands of judges, that's just how it's going to be. the d.c. circuit court of appeals and then the supreme court if they agree to take the

case. >> let me go to dean now, who is in addition to a great radio guy and a great comedian, also is a lawyer. i don't know if i'm telling a tale on you, but you're an attorney too. i want to ask you about mitch mcconnell, who actually said, you heard him say it, that donald trump is not immune. he said that. i don't know if he's a lawyer or not. he also said there's still a way to hold him accountable, meaning there's criminal and civil litigation that's possible. he apparently has changed his mind about that and has now jumped on this amicus brief along with other people who were running for their lives on january 6th, 2021. now they suddenly say no, i guess they were jogging when they were running around the capitol. your thoughts on that. >> joy, i get the sense you are suggesting that republicans like mcconnell might be hypocritical, is that what you're suggesting as hypocrisy by the gop? that's their currency. we call it hypocrisy so we don't lose our sanity.

you can't shame the shameless. that's what they're doing. the rest of america saw it, and you know, mitch mcconnell, that amims brief, the republicans are saying congress needs to act on banning trump. to remind people, in the one article of impeachment, incitement of insurrection, read it, it says section 3 of the 14th amendment in that, and it should be banned and a majority of the house voted for that, and the senate, 57 senators, a majority, voted yes, he should be banned by section 3 of the 14th amendment. so both chambers of congress actually did act already. it's remarkable what they're saying, it's pure politics at its worst at the expense of our constitution and our democratic republic. >> well said. let's go to the civil trial now, there's so many trials it's like we have to keep them all straight in our minds. 91 criminal counts and also the civil fraud trial which is setting him off mentally and seeming to melt him down. let me play a bit of his deposition. here is his deposition which was taken on april 13th, and this is

him claiming, actually, let's go to the cut three first. this is him trying to defend the overinflation of the value of his properties by touting the value of his brand. here he is. >> my most valuable asset, i didn't even have in your statement, that's the brand. i became president because of the brand. okay. i became president. i think it's the hottest brand in the world. if i wanted to show you a good statement, i would have added maybe $10 billion or something for the brand. >> $10 billion, is that a good defense, catherine? >> no. it's not a good defense. but it will allow the judge, if the judge rules against him, and issues a $270 million disgorgement to feel fine because clearly they can afford it because he's a billionaire. but his defense at trial was

sort of, the accountants did it, and reasonable minds can disagree about what the value of property is. his lawyers didn't do the, you know, his brand or he has to top a nuclear war so he wasn't paying attention to his financial statements. >> let me play another piece of this civil fraud trial deposition from april 13th. here he is, dean, claiming to have saved the world. >> i rarely have anything to do with anything having to do with the company. i wasn't -- i really wasn't interested, believe it or not. i was interested in solving the problem with north korea, which was ready to blow up. i was very busy. i consider this the most important job in the world, saving millions of lives. i think you would have had nuclear holocaust if i didn't deal with north korea. i think you would have had a nuclear war if i weren't elected. i think you might have a nuclear war now, if you want to know the

truth. >> i'm going to give you the opportunity, dean, to just say thank you. >> exactly, i have been up until now not as grateful as i should be. thank you, donald trump, for saving us, saving the world. he's a superhero. he's maga man. he's faster than a speeding lie. this guy saved the world. and he talks about saving lives from a nuclear holocaust. first, we have never had a nuclear holocaust. there wasn't one during obama or bush or clinton, but what about during covid. over 400,000 americans died because he lied, underplayed covid saying it was the flu, and then his suggestion was drink bleach or inject yourselves with sunlight. over 400,000 dies on his watch and thousands died afterwards. he's no hero in my book. he's a villain and he deserves what i think he's going to get. >> it is remarkable still that a million people died on his watch, and millions of americans just look the other way and don't even think he should be

held accountable for that and think he should be put back in office. final question to you, just he's already lost his case, obviously. it's just a matter of damages. does him touting that his brand is worth billions, it makes it sound like he has plenty of money to give out, how high could this go? >> well, the a.g.'s office are asking for over $270 million. so it could go very high. and also remember, he also has that other trial with jean carroll about damages and she's asking for $10 million, her expert asked for $12 million. he clearly can afford it if he loses the trials to pay these images. >> indeed. maybe he should lend some money to rudy giuliani, who also has to pay up big. catherine and dean, thank you both very much. up next, moms for liberty cofounder tiffany justice joined me to talk about her organization's push to remove books from public school libraries and the debatable wisdom of turning children's education into a political battleground. "the reidout" continues after this.

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at the heart of america's culture war lies education. and it's a fight that has intensified in recent years, alongside florida's don't say gay bill. anti-trans laws and campaigns, particularly in florida to erase black history, but the single most explosive trend in the education culture war is about books and who exactly gets to remove them or challenge them. who gets to decide what we have access to, what can be taught, and what can be read. attempts to ban books have reached a record high, and titles with lgbtq themes remain top targets. books about african american history too. with stories about the reverend martin luther king jr., rosa parks, and ruby bridges removed from shelves. parents, educators, and students are taking sides. fiery debate is moms for liberty that campaigns for book removals in

u.s. public schools. and joining me is tiffany justice, cofounder of moms for liberty. thank you for being here. >> happy to be here with you. >> great to meet you. i want to play a clip, and this is an interview that you gave to steve bannon's war room in 2022, march of 2022. take a listen. >> walk us through exactly what you're trying to accomplish and this definition, it's a concept, what are parental rights? >> parental rights are rights that every parent has and the government does not give them to you, and they cannot take them away. every parent has the fundamental right to direct the upbringing of their children, their medical care, that includes mental health, by the way, their education, and their values education. their morals, their religious and character training. all of these things lie within the responsibility of the parent. >> now, i want to make sure, do you still stand by those statements. >> absolutely. >> okay, then the question becomes which parents?

right? do african american parents have parental rights? >> yes, it's a god given right to direct the upbringing of your children. >> do lgbtq parents and parents of lgbtq kids, do they have parental right? >> every parent. every parent has the fundamental right to direct the upbringing of their kids. >> and liberal parents in. >> all parents. >> let me point you to some statistics because the question becomes then who gets to decide what all kids get to read. "the washington post" took a look at about 1,000 plus book challenges filed and found they were filed nationwide by just 11 people. each ofhese people brought 10 or more challges against books in their school district, together the serial filers constituted decision% of all book challengers but they were responsible for 60% of filings in florida. tampa bay times, they found that of roughly 1100 complaints recorded in florida since july 2022, we're talking about more than 700 just from two counties,

escambia in the western panhandle, and clay county, together, those are les than 3% of the public school enrollment, 600 of those complaints, two people. why should 13 people get to decide what books tens of thousands of children get to read? >> well, i'm thinking it's probably because those 13 people saw what some of the content was in the books. i mean, explicit, graphic sexual content, and i'm happy to talk about some of that content if you would like to. >> well, this is the question again. the books that are being banned, i want to give you -- >> no books are being banned. i want to be clear, no one is banning books. write the book, publish the book, put it in a public library. we're talking about a public school library. children don't have unfettered access to the internet at school. i did a records request and i wanted to see what kind of internet sites are banned in schools if we're going to talk

about banning. and the subject matter in the books that moms are concerned about are the same things that kids don't have access to on the internet. so it just feels very hypocritical, right? why is no one out there protesting for free the internet in schools. >> let me give you an example of some of the books that have been removed from shelves as a result of the activities of organizations like moms for liberty. >> we're not going to talk like moms for liberty. specifically. >> absolutely. >> i'm happy to have this conversation with you. but we're going to be specific about the actions of moms for liberty. >> 100%. >> i can't be possibly responsible for every parent in america. >> your organization is the -- you're the leading organization that's doing this. you have chapters all over the country. and other organizations are following your lead. and pen america has listed, they have posted the list of books that have been removed from shelves as a result of these activities. led me read you a couple. anne frank, maus, a book about the holocaust, gender queer, a memoir, all boys aren't blue.

beloved, martin luther king jr. and the march on washington. ruby bridges goes to school. slaughterhouse 5, the color purple, forever by judy blume. i could go on. these are books that are not only popular, in some cases they're classics. toni morrison's the bluest eye. >> i would like to answer your question. you just mentioned a list of books. so moms for liberty doesn't have like a national book list. there was never a list of books we put out and said parents, be concerned about these books. we want our parents to be effective advocates, so when moms are going into the libraries in the schools, when they're seeing what their children have access to, when they go to speak to the superintendent or the principal, they have accurate information. >> where are they getting information from? >> you can go online to a catalog in your children's library and see what books are available. >> what -- one moment, what is booklooks.com? >> i'm aware of a website called booklooks.com where parents can go and see some of the books that other parents are concerned

about. >> booklooks.com has been useden florida extensively in counties like broward county, clay county, escambia. moms for liberty activists are using booklooks.com and it's essentially a cliff notes for books. you go throughout without having to read the book, i'll hold it up. this is the one for all boys aren't blue, which is one of the books moms for liberty -- >> everyone should see the content in the book. such a good idea, joy. >> you can do key word searches and find certain key words. >> like rape. >> you can find -- sure. >> orranal rape or dildo. >> let me finish then you can answer. i'm going to give you time to answer but i have to ask first. what you find is the key word that you find, the n word, anything words like you just used, you'll get out of context passages from the book, and then based on that, moms for liberty members are going to places like broward county school board meetings, reading out of context passages from these books and

then demanding that the school board remove them. >> so what's the question? >> the question i'm asking is, what is the expertise that you have and other moms for liberty advocates have to decide that a book, an award-winning book like all boys aren't blue, isn't appropriate for students to read? >> what a tragic story of a young man who is anally raped by his adult family members. you have incest, rape, pedophilia. i'm going to answer for you. in what context is a strap-on dildo acceptable for public school? just, that's my question to you. tell me what the context around the strap-on dido or a rape of a minor child by a teacher. >> hold on. >> no, no, we're talking about public school. >> you have asked me a question. i'm going to answer it. who is the main character? what is the name of the main character? >> you're asking me right now. >> you gave me specific information about this book, so you're presenting yourself as somebody expert. hold on, who is the main

character in the book? >> the main character is the author. >> what's his name? >> george, i believe is his first name. >> because you're giving me very specific information that is presenting you as an expert. >> joy, we're talking about -- you didn't answer my question. >> i'm going to answer your question. >> i would love to hear that. >> i'm interviewing you, you're not interviewing me. let's make sure it's a conversation. what i'm saying to you is as you're not an expert in this book. >> i don't have to be an expert to know dildos are not for public school. >> this is a full context story of the author's experience. why is it your right or a moms for liberty activist's right to say that a parent who wants their child to have access to this book, which gives a personal experience of this author, that why doesn't a liberal parent, for instance, or a parent of an lgbtq kid, why don't they have a right for their child to have access. why is it your right to say they can't? >> again, we're talking about

incest, rape, and pedophilia. >> each parent -- >> you said you would let me answer. >> each parent has to decide what is appropriate for their child to read. i want you to answer. what is your right to tell a parent who wants their child, who might feel seen by this story, why don't they have the right? why don't they have the right as a parent to say, my child can have access to this book? >> if a child feels seen by this story that means they have been the victim of a predator. that means that they have either been raped by a family member, they have experienced -- >> and your proof affthat is what? >> you said a child feels seen by the story. >> no, no, you're now making assumptions. >> if a child has been raped we should do a lot better than put a book on a library shelf. >> you're telling a story behind a child you don't know. this is a form that can be obtained in broward county, florida. i'm going to show it to the audience and then i'm going to show it to you. it's called the opt-out form.

>> okay. >> an opt-out form would allow any parents, because you said you are in favor of parental rights. it would allow any parent to opt out of their child being able to take books out of the library without their parents permission. so that moms for liberty, why not advocate that every school in america have an opt-out form so a parent who doesn't want their child to access a book like all boys aren't blue, that they can make that choice, because then each parent including a liberal parent, a black parent, a parent who wants their child to read a book about african american history, they -- >> we want children to read books about african american history. >> why not opt out yourself? >> i first, i think what you're talking about here is a wonderful step in the right direction. we should be having conversations about this. this is about local control. a lot of these decisions are made at the local school board level. and that's where these decisions should be made. and there should be vibrant conversations about what's happening in our public schools and what kids have access to, joy, however, maybe we could put all the books with all the

graphic sexual content, the dildos, the rape. let's -- >> i'm so sorry. excuse me, excuse me. >> you can put a curtain up like they used to do. >> one moment. the books that moms for liberty -- >> and they put those -- >> the books that moms for liberty -- i know that you -- i have seen tapes of what moms for liberty does. and you all go into school board meetings and you read graphic stuff. >> america used to understand that is something called age appropriate content. >> here's my question again. again, again, ruby bridges goes to school is on the list of books that moms for liberty has attempted to have removed. >> absolutely not. >> it is. let me ask about the people making the sdizs for parents because you have not answered by a liberal parent or an african american parent -- >> we have parents who are democrats who are members of our organization. >> you're still trying to make decisions for all of the kids. leer are some of the -- your advocates, bridget ziegler, the moms for liberty cofounder, the

wife of the recently ousted florida republican party chairman, christiziegler, who allegedly was involved in threesomes, same-sex threesomes, mrs. ziegler was removed from the school board at which she was a leader. >> she wasn't removed from the school board. >> you have lauren depaulo, she was making book ban requests in a county, but then records showed she and her husband didn't live there. carrie blair in tennessee who was arrested for property theft charges after allegedly stealing from target. why should nose three people get to make decisions about what other children should be able to read? other parents' children should be able to read. >> do you know i served as a school board member -- >> are you going to answer my question? >> i'm going to answer your question but i need you to understand i would sit on my dais and how dare i sitting there as an elected representative judge a parent when they come to advocate for their child. as we started this conversation

we'll end it, every parent has a fundamental right -- i would not stand in judgment, joy, about a parent's education level, their sexual orientation, their race, their religion. that is not what america is about. >> i'm going to ask my question mrs. justice. >> thank you. >> if a parent believes their child should be able to read ruby bridges -- >> we believe children should be able to read rudy bridges. >> how can moms for liberty insist the school board take the book away and then say a parent who wants the child to be able to read it must purchase it? that's essentially putting a tax on parents who want their children to read the book. your kids get to have books for free that you agree with. but children who want to read -- or parents who want their children to read books you don't like have to purchase it. that doesn't sound fair. >> did you know in the city that we're sitting in, only a quarter of children are reading on grade level in fourth grade. >> that's a great point. >> while we're having this

conversation about books in library, we should talk about literacy rates and the fact america's kids are not learning to read and have vibrant conversations about what books should be in libraries. >> let me add one more point. in florida, the law states that if a moms for liberty or other advocate demands that a book be removed, then a process in each of those counties has to begin. the sometimes three and four person staffs who are being inundated with moms for liberty requests, it is true, i have literally spoking with people in these organizations. hold on a second. i'm going to finish my thought. >> go ahead. >> were they not having to go through, and they actually have to read the full book to make a decision as to whether to make a recommendation for the book to be banned. were they not doing that? what they would be doing is literacy edgeation. what they would be doing is literacy education. that's what they're not doing because they're spending time on your book ban requests. >> this is absolutely ridiculous. but it's not, joy, because

school districts do lots of things very well at the same time. >> with very little funding. >> and you actually make a great point, because there was no vetting process for a lot of these materials. >> and why does the expertise of moms for liberty to do the vetting. you were on a school board. you would hire experts and have expert voices come in. >> parents are experts for their kids. that's what i believe. parents are the best experts for their kids. >> one more thing, in florida, versus new york, new york spends about $26,000 per student. >> $40,000. >> $26,000, and in florida, it's about $10,000. so we're talking about much less money. the requirement -- and some of these schools they don't even have a school librarian because the school doesn't have enough money. >> isn't that awful? >> instead of spending their time going through your book bans, they could actually be focusing on hiring library science technicians who can actually do the job. >> we have a priorities problem in american public education.

>> the job of each parents should be able to make their own decisions about what their children read. >> i think we can agree on that. >> i think moms for liberties shouldn't be making those decisions for them on their behalf. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> we'll be right back. i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. i'm lowering my risk. adults lost up to 14 pounds. i lost some weight. ozempic® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't share needles or pens, or reuse needles. don't take ozempic® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop ozempic® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction. serious side effects may include pancreatitis. gallbladder problems may occur. tell your provider about vision problems or changes.

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strategist and msnbc political analyst, and more importantly, both my friends. i'm going to start with you ali. you had a chance to listen to that conversation. >> i took notes. have never taken a note in my life. there was so much to keep up with. >> what did you take? >> one, there was talkunts george m. johnson, who wrote -- >> i will note that mrs. justice did not know his name. >> she liked to say the word dildo, said that a lot. but the fact is, george m. johnson, this is a book about george m. johnson. some of these books are autobiographical, some are not. some of the key books that have been banned, perks of being a wallflower, they have similar themes in them, some of them are sexual, some are not. but they are experiential, they're real books. and kids see themselves in these books. number one. and that does save lives. so when your guest says when a child has been raped we should do a lot better than a book, sometimes the book is the life saver. number two, how about the kids

who haven't been raped. how about those of us who don't grow up with these experiences, in black households, in gay relationships, these are the way in which we tell people stories. you learn other people's stories. we started the book club because of 1619 project. because people just objected to this idea that this new date that had been introduced by nikole hannah-jones somehow obscured or blanked out what they thought their history was. to most thinking humans, it's just another data point. the idea these ideas are pushed back because people don't want this idea of learning other people's stories to be out there, it's disingenuous to call it all about sex. kids know all about sex. kids have always known all about sex. if there's anything to do a better job insuring kids get better sex education because the correlation is direct, if kids get proper sexigeication, they have safer sex lives, they don't get pregnant as early.

i am grateful you had the conversation, but the folks who are banning books are misguided. >> i never got an answer to what i think is the fundamental question, if she agreed with me, mrs. justice did agree with me that black parents and parents have right, but they don't get the decision, buzz they're not just making decisions about their own. i handed her the opt-out form. they could easily fight to say i don't want my kids taking books out of the library, but you let your kids take out what you want. >> that was so powerful because it is about, if you don't want your children peag able to take out those books, okay. okay. but you don't have a right to tell everybody else what they can and cannot read. and that's really what was so shocking to me, is how she really wouldn't even address that issue. what's a library for if not to learn?

whether it's to learn about something maybe an individual is going through or what others have gone through. >> right. you develop empathy. >> to develop empathy, to learn. >> and the thing about it is that's so sort of -- she was saying, buy the book. first, that's imposing a tax on people who don't have the income. >> a lot of parents cannot afford to buy the books. >> to be fair, this one point is that we do elect people. we do have people, school boards. there are communities that do get to decide certain things for the school. >> but you want experts that can guide them. >> i agree. that's the point you brought up. i'm not so hooked on there's a small group of people implementing policy. as much as i am that they're not adequately prepared or -- >> and that they're idealogical. they're firmly idealogical. >> because it's about what they want you to read. you talked about it. it wasn't just about sex. it's do you want to learn history, do you want to learn african american history, about the haul daus.

they don't want certain things in their kids' lives. >> in any kids' lives. >> they don't want it to enter. and the point is that it's supposed to be there. you want to try and shelter your kid all you want, opt out or home school, but do not do this. >> you can also just choose not to have your kid take the book out. libraries tell me this all the time. they're very sophisticated, and librarians themselves have said to me about this, please don't give me this power. do not give -- i am the state, for all intents and purpose, your school library and public library is the state, and the school is the state. do not give the state the power. let's take a very idealogically conservative view of this thing which most of these book banners are. the state doesn't get to decide what your child reads. you get to decide what your child reads. when you ban books you have given the state the right to decide what your child reads. that's dangerous. >> also, you have taken away the joy. i can remember my mom unleashing my sister, brother, and i in the

library where we could take any book we wanted, the power we felt of being able to come with this big stack of books that she didn't have the money to buy, and then we could turn them back in and had the responsibility of filling out the little thing to say it was ours for that short period of time. that's a power you're giving kids. they're not just going after the libraries in schools. they're going after library libraries too. they're taking that joy of discovery away. >> my parents grew up in apartheid south africa. and one the things my dad did, until he left africa at the age of 25, he didn't know there were public libraries. >> that's the power these small group of people think they can take from everybody else. >> up next, the white house laces up its running shoes as soaring consumer confident adds another win to their economic scorecard. we'll be right back.

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late 1960s. and wage growth is now outpacing inflation. that's the big picture, macro economic data that republicans refuse to talk about. then there are the micro economic specifics which could directly impact you. the biden administration has unveiled a new plan to limit those annoying and costly bank overdraft fees that hit you when your account gets overdrawn even by a little. the new rule would limit the fees to as little as $3 which would potentially eliminate billions of dollars in revenue for the nation's biggest banks. which might explain why jamie dimon, the ceo of jpmorgan chase is praising trump. that's not all. today, the white house announced 4.9 billion dollars worth. helping nearly 74,000 public servants including teachers, firefighters, and nurses. today, the biden administration has council more than 136 billion dollars in student debt for more than 3.7 million

americans. more good news for the president, the sentiment is on the rise, with the biggest two month jump in positive economic outlook since 1991. back with me, ali velshi and susan del percio, -- it's interesting the disconnect? >> totally right. your first point was the most important. wage increases are now outpacing inflation, which wasn't the case for a couple of years. it takes a little while for people to register that, to understand that wage increases mean a couple things, it doesn't mean everyone's wages going up once the -- 1.3 jobs for everybody who doesn't have a job right now. they don't fully matched to each other but you have options, a lot of workers have options, and makes them feel better about the economy. they see prices coming down, i will say this, food inflation is the most thing that people complain about. inflation and food has fallen the most but you don't feel it because the egg is not less money than it was three years ago. it's just not going up at that price. that's why this is complicated.

we haven't had inflation for 40 plus years in this country, we're not used to it, it's very upsetting, with wage growth outpacing inflation, you add -- again today. if donald trump or president, you see 20 tweets with spelling errors. >> all caps. >> the stock market hits record after record. home prices are up. interest rates are high for people trying to get alone, but it's not for people who've been saving money and weren't able to make money on their money. there's a lot of good things happening in the economy. what this administration, this campaign needs to decide, is where are they leaning. things to lean into is the fact that democracy is at stake. the world is in great danger, we need to help other countries that are at war. this economy thing is strong. >> the thing about it, for biden, the irony for him, first of all, it's a cap promise, he did promise he's gonna do the overdraft track, he said he was gonna do student loan, he got

thwarted by the supreme court but then he's done it in a large extent. the most economic, the insecure people are also in his base, younger people, people that can't afford right, things like that. but on the republican side, they're rooting for a recession, it's clear they need a recession in order to beat him. >> trump said he wants the economy to crash, that's what he said, i'm not paraphrasing. this is one of the issues i think the administration probably mishandled or misplayed. when you fight inflation it doesn't mean just because inflations going down that the prices automatically come down, they're not related, they're a little related, but there are not something that people feel like, if inflation still there then prices are still up. on the junk fees, he also did it with airline fees, he entered it, this is something a bit obsessed with. it's a great policy and great politics. what he should be saying i

think, this goes to younger people in the future, is say that i got rid of the junk fees for airlines, i'm getting rid of bank fees, and my next term i'm going to do one, two, three. and that's what we need, we need the future on some of these things. >> let me play nikki haley. nikki haley responding to me. here's part one. how, or not. >> u.s. stock market continues to hit record high after record high, you're looking at a fresh 300 point gain on the dow hitting its highest. >> let's try it again. okay, let me -- i'll go to you, ali, he was responding to me saying that she and i live in two different worlds, or both children of immigrants, she's like what i grew up in the south, i -- we're not really that

different. i have just come through my life and i've been able to figure out that america was born as a slave republic and therefore it was born as a racist country. [laughter] >> maybe because you've got to go to a library. [laughter] >> other countries have done this, germany did this after the holocaust. they had a real reckoning about what happened. i think with gets lost in our history is that we actually didn't, we sort of said at the end of civil war, kind of, satisfies lost, it'll be fine. we never had that reckoning. black people left the south, the great migration, because of economic opportunities. at no point did we actually fully say, flags come down, the statues don't go up, stuff like that. that stuff is over, didn't work. >> you know it's ironic, a group that has essentially policed the way we talk about our past, that ruined our ability to have a reckoning is the older version of moms for liberty, call the daughters of confederacy, they're there earlier iteration of that same

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