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audience, but look at her face was there -- anymore. now, she was scared. >> how did you feel about that? >> pretty good. she knew that it was over. >> as for rhoni's family, they say a weight has now been lifted, but their sorrow remains. >> it's something you can ever get out of your head. it's never going to be over and are lots. we've lost a dear member of our family. this is never going away for us. that's all for this edition of "dateline." that's all for this edition of i'm andrea canning. dateline. i'm andrea cannon thanks for joining us. for joining us
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candidates, who are supposed to be surging dealt council debates, and refused to answer bogus questions you know joe, of all the primaries that we've ever held whatever president you're talking about, new hampshire is still is always will be, fun. fun for the candidates. fun for the media, fun for the people. you can sum up the magic of the new hampshire primary, with one story. the late great, mo -- running for president, he's on the ballot with several of the democrats, the year with 76. he walks into a barbershop, he's shaking hands, a fellow says to him, he who says i would like your phone. the fellow says to him, i'm thinking about it, i've only met you twice. that is the way new hampshire is. they like to see people, talk to people.
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get some answers from people running for president. nikki haley whatever opportunity she had to come close in the new hampshire primary, because there is an awful lot of moderates in new hampshire vote on primary day. every shot she had, a picking up first angel to get her close to donald trump to win the primary, it is gone. the simple refuse are you mentioned a couple times. her simple refusal to answer questions in a handshaking line. at a town hall, at a fire station, on a cookout. in a coffee klatt. whatever. you have to do it. you have to power personalize it. new hampshire is a personal primary. >> especially for nikki haley put all our eggs in this new hampshire basket, and as joe said, people are asking does she want to win. ? is she playing for second place? does she want to job with donald trump? she won't go directly after
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trump. watch this exchange between nikki and dana bash and cnn this week. >> you are the only woman in this race, how do you feel about your party's front runner being held liable for sexual abuse? >> first of all, i haven't paid attention to his cases. i am not a lawyer. all i know is, he is innocent till proven guilty. when he's proven guilty and sitting in a courtroom that is exactly what i'm talking about. you got investigations on trump and biden. >> forgive me, a lot of people in the republican party blow it all off and say that it is all a witch hunt. this case in particular? this >> one i haven't looked at, if he is found guilty he needs to pay the price. he has to do what he is supposed to. every one of these cases they need to be heard out. he needs to defend himself, if he is found guilty he's gonna pay the price. if he's not found guiltily then we move forward. >> it's hard to watch. it is hard to wash. >> i just can't. >> that is so -- >> just stop.
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>> no comment, i'm not a lawyer. you don't have to be a lawyer to understand what is happening here. again we hear the crevice lee, while their investigations on biden. nikki and haley knows better there knows better, that's what joe biden is being accused of, and the myriad 91 felony charges against donald trump. >> he is in court where the judge said he raped a woman. and nikki haley says, i've not been following the case. that's classic marco rubio move. i haven't been following. >> you are not interested? >> it's not personal to you in any way? you >> haven't been following? the fact that a woman has been raped according to a judge and a jury has found him liable for
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sexual assault, found him liable for defaming the woman the judge said donald trump raped. and then after that defamation verdict came down. he continued to defame the woman, the judge said he raped. and even in court, and on true social. he continues to defame the woman the judge says he raped. and nikki haley says, she can't comment on it? because she hasn't really followed the case. and she is not a lawyer. this is somebody who wants to be president of the united states? sounds like this is somebody who wants to be vice president of the united states. >> exactly. >> in a way i think she
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understands the reality of the situation. which is that, in my mind iowa new hampshire all these primaries were gonna go through our just struck shuns inside shows, one person on the right has a movement. and has a cult of of a movement. and has behind him a giant media information radicalization funnel that continues to turn more and more people convert more more people into diluted zealots for his trumpist vision. nobody on the right has attempted to build anything similar, has cut into that. nobody on the right route who ran against him had the courage to actually fully call him out, for what he's doing to the country. little bit here there, are some more than others. frankly, nobody on the left is adequately thinking about how
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to build a movement that is as powerful, forceful emotive, as what he has built. all of these things from my point of view, the diners, all the things that we all used to cover as the kind of trappings of this process. i think we are living in a new century. a new country, when it comes to this political moment. we have to adjust to the new reality of living i'm kind of anti democratic mass movement with a mass movement leader who wants to be a self professed dictator. it is new territory. >> it is new territory, it must be said. he is the most dominant political figure we've seen in the last time. he is a movement behind, it is a movement that has a ceiling at some point. but he has a movement, there's no other party members been able to take it from him. what we've seen from nikki haley, a lot of republicans that many recent days, they wonder what the fire is. they do wonder if she's trying to play for the vp slot. the trump team knocks it down
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every so often. but she's on the shortlist they ever talk about it. there's some other women in the mix, kari lake, stefanik. they wonder why her schedule isn't stronger. they wonder why she is not taking questions. they wonder why she's not going after trump. we've got a pair of polls yesterday that short ten plus points down in new hampshire if that happens if she loses to new hampshire at all, she loses in double digits. it is game over. it is over. >> we have lots more to talk about, morning joe: weekend returns after a short break. a ♪ ♪ ♪ a ♪ ♪ ♪ migraine attacks, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday.
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several senior.s officials told nbc news that netanyahu quote, will not be there forever. >> let's bring in right now, without reporting and nbc news chief corn affairs correspondent, and andrea mitchell. andrea in all this tragedy, in all this domestic turmoil both in israel and in this country as a result what happened on october 7th. is there a calendar, o'clock, we still have american being held hostage. the hostages as far as we know, the international red cross has not been allowed to see them. we don't have proof of life are a lot of the hostages. the clock that is ticking on that. is there a time limit on this? how long will the presidents patients be tested before finally something has to happen? >> the message from blinken on the trip in israel was this
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needs to be weeks not months. the hostages, many of them, the american family some of the american, some met with the master them, they met with leaders there. they're going to the white house today they're gonna see jake sullivan today. they are desperate. the families who have spoke to, and we're gonna profiling them later to that on my program on the today show. it's been 104 days. hundred four days today. we don't have proof of life. we don't have information. the state department, the fbi, they have been calling regularly keeping in touch with them. they are desperate. there's the possibility of new negotiations, i was told there is a new offer, that occurred in qatar last week. they are talking. the assassination, the hope in a couple weeks ago of the hamas leader in beirut that they thought would and all the talks. that's what hamas set. they are again, it is being done through the cao director. the mossad leader, qatar is the
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intermediary. the talks are going on. potentially a new proposal on the table. we don't have the details, we're gonna beginning to see more of that. but the hush, and the families are getting desperate. >> certainly, our entry mitchell thank you so much. we will be watching andrea mitchell reports weekdays a new on msnbc. >> so anthony blinken the secretary of state, president united say, jake sullivan, the entire administration it's hard enough of benjamin netanyahu. the israelis had had enough of benjamin netanyahu. after all he is a guy who's had the attack plans for over a year and did nothing about it. they knew in 2018 about secret funding sources of hamas along with donald trump's government, they did nothing about it. a month before the attacks,
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qatar asked netanyahu's government, should we continue funding hamas? and netanyahu's government said yes. they were asleep at the wheel, my god, asleep when the worst attack against jews since the holocaust happened on october 7th. and then, it took them hours and hours and hours to respond. while women were being raped, grandmothers were being burnt alive, while babies were being shot in their crib. the israelis have had enough of netanyahu. biden has had enough. then he thought and when this ends? >> that would be the timetable we'd like to ask. we knew before october the 7th that netanyahu was very unpopular. we saw those demonstrations. we saw that delay in response of october 7th it's still been not been answered why did it
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take the troops so long that is something that fueled conspiracy theories all through the middle east. that this was somehow, something the israelis orchestrated. it is absurd. but it fuels that kind of conspiracy because when you have some questions that aren't answered. it allows people to try to answer them themselves. >> still ahead, one of donald trump's cabinet secretaries compares him to one of the great kings of the old testament. we will play for you that, straight ahead. straight ahead we come from a long line of cowboys. (♪♪) when i see all of us out here on this ranch, i see how far our legacy can go. (♪♪) i suffer with psoriatic arthritis and psoriasis. i was on a journey for a really long time to find some relief. cosentyx works for me. cosentyx helps real people get real relief from the symptoms of psoriatic arthritis or psoriasis.
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and georgia playing to the cult. he's got carson out there come comparing him to the second coming of jesus to. alex do we have that ben carson thing, -- >> the biblical. >> he compared him to king david, a man after gods armed heart. play it. >> you think about the bible, and king david, most of those people if they were a lot of back in those days would've said what a horrible guy. the episode with batcheba, and other things that he did. and yet he was a man after god's own heart. god uses different people from different times. you need someone with a manhattan business type of personality to deal with the administrations straight. there's some real wolves in the manhattan business environment. and succeed, you don't just
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kind of be a flower nice person. that doesn't mean he can't be. i've seen him when. he is not being attacked he's a wonderful person. everybody would love him. >> just to be clear, you're comparing him to king david? >> the volume is very low. >> for the record, you are comparing him to king david? and that worked out well for king david? and then this is another king david? >> i don't know about him king, certainly he has some policies that are very worthwhile. the other thing that must be mentioned, if the left is allowed to use the doj to hurt him, and eliminate him from the process. that is when we lose democracy. this is this is a little
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bit of a shift. he goes from, donald trump is like king david, a man after god's own heart. and that he's corrected at, you comparing him to king david? up and then he goes, well. you know. his pop policies are fascinating. >> all the way from old testament, after god to highlight some of his policies. maybe that is the perfect interview, and the clip that we showed before. >> carson, king david was really strong, opposed to the weaponization of government. so carson is right about that. the larger point, one thing that a choice about trump that gets lost every so often, he
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absolutely has a very high floor for politicians. he also has a very low silly. there's only so far support can go. he's not gonna win over. these arguments right here are not gonna win over those suburban voters, of milwaukee, of atlanta, of philadelphia. there's gonna be into him being compared to the almighty. i would guess. this is someone facing a series of criminal trials, he will be in court today, as a defamation suit connected to a sexual assault case. this is someone who fueled an insurrection. the biden campaign is missing no opportunity to paint as extreme, and as dangerous to the very fabric of the nation. someone being calling himself the chosen one, as donald trump has done. and calls myself the retribution. that is a pretty scary combination for voters. trump's base is gonna be there, the democrats are gonna have to
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get their own base out. that's their concern right now. none of this really does a good job highlighting, none of this is gonna win trump over any of those swing voters that he won in 16, lost in 20. they're not going to come back if this is the language his campaign employs. >> given what we saw in iowa, that it was only 14% of republicans who showed up. evangelicals did overwhelmingly go for donald trump. some of them are buying this argument that he's the throwing one. look ahead for us to new hampshire. nikki haley making the pitch that she will get the ticket out of iowa, even though she came in third place. ron desantis effectively skipping, he's looking at south carolina. what are the next week, and the weeks after look like? >> you have to separate these next two contacts, they are fundamentally different races. they go to the heart of donald trump strength. the fact is, new hampshire does not look like the rest of the
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republican primary. it doesn't look like today's republican party. it's going to be full of moderate voters, folks who are on affiliated to participate, much more secular. also a lot more educated in upscale. to borrow a recent primary, this reminds me of 2000 or mccain got a brief reprieve in new hampshire precisely because of those kinds of voters but really wants your back, republican nomination process that's gonna be nikki haley's china and that's the child she hasn't south carolina once you're back to talking about republicans, and more conservative once and more blue collar ones. that is trump space, i think it's hard for her to find a path beyond new hampshire. we have lots more to talk, about morning joe weekend returns after a short break. liu li you may have already been vaccinated against the flu,
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substack titled the real battleground 2024 is a motion. one of the strange dynamics of the trump era is, that the right has become more and more a movement of parchment more than reason, of emotion appeal more than policy solutions, the political left has as they have to be symmetrical drifted the other way. >> tay's electoral left is highly cerebral. it is suspicious of the politics of a passn. it doesn't do emotional. because it doesn't have much of
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a role, for music for the body, for in-person communing and public faces, for catchy slogans, for arresting visuals. >> if this were an age defined by big policy questions and little else, that would be one thing. but it is a niche defined by big feelings. by anxiety and fear and future dried in a great confusion among millions of people about who they will be on the far side of hen spinning change. >> all around as people are lost, not sure how to make sense of their place in a world of upheaval. in an era such as this, leaving the politics of emotion, of passion, to aspiring autocrats is a dangerous abdication. >> if the laughed were to have something like a movement that donald trump created, when you just describe based in a motion. what should it look like? >> my guidance on this comes from folks a generation and of two older than me. they look through the 60s. another period where, sorry to look at you mike, where there was these kind of existential
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stakes for the country. everything up for grants, these big questions of war and peace and inclusion. in addition to political candidates, and movements and elections. there were music festivals. they weren't directly associated but allied with it. it helps supply thinking and new ideas. there were, chants, people dressed to distinguish themselves from other people, there was a whole of society. if you didn't agree with the president or leader on an issue, you might feel yourself to feet be part of a movement for a larger thing. right now, donald trump for all the horror that he represents, has actually drawn on as many autocratic leaders have. real insight, around how mass movements for. how to make people feel things. a lot of people who vote for donald trump, disagree with donald trump on 80% of issues, or are unaware of a stance on
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80% of issues. that is not what it is about. they are just with him. all of us have gone out, we've all met these people. they're not doing spreadsheet checks on his policies or his record. they're just with him. i think it's an interesting question to think, it's easy for autocrats to do that there's. no question. can prodemocratic leaders do the same? this is just a question in the united states, but around the world. pro democratic movements up against authoritarian ones are struggling, everywhere, to make people feel things. to get the blood up. to have a sense of passion. i think we need, a big policy vision, if there is nothing in the middle, then you have nothing. >> it would be great to see this white house come up with a real plan to make people lives better in the second term. tell us with the story it is, not just right accomplishments pass. but also a real cultural plummet of a movement,
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something that pulls people. in song, music, festivals. the whole thing. and a story. i will say this 1 million times. a story about america that is more compelling than the small hearted story from the other side. >> i don't disagree with you, first of all. i think you are absolutely correct. but, why is it the left, progressives, whatever they are calling themselves these days, they have forgotten the story that was right in the palm of their hand? the story is, they should ask themselves perhaps these questions. who built your party? who formed the spine of your party? who fought for your country? who comes down the street put out your fires? who comes down the street to protect your house and your children, from vandals, from hoodlums. who did? this who built the foundation for the house and the country that you live in?
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they've forgotten those people. those people are the core of a movement that lasted for 50 years, that formed the new deal. that created social security. workman's compensation. the g.i. bill. all the things that built the middle class. and the progressives today, no time for them. >> i think the democratic party, this is happened in the uk in a lot of places around the world. center left parties used to be labor parties. whether name, or in fact. that was the galvanizing force. that was organizing force. the force multiplication in the field, labor unions. and then labor unions were decimated by the ascendancy of the reaganite right. a membership tanks. a giant kind of strikeforce in politics, that did that work is gone. in that vacuum, center left
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parties including democrat party became much more and more academic, academia adjacent parties. dominated by debates over terminology. some of these debates are very important, don't get me wrong. >> you can debate over the harvard presidency. >> it's not about who is right in the harvard debate, why are we even talking about harvard? it's the wrong conversation. we are not talking about making factory safer for people to work in. one of the thing at the ink that we are doing this year, we're trying to step back and look at these bigger questions why are we in the situation, where america autocracy is even possible. one of the things we looked at in this interview with -- , does the democratic party need to re-center itself as a union base party. particularly the moment when there are there is a labor resurgence. and real victories having
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their. and the less of an academia adjacent party. less interested in these tedious hair splitting to bates, and more with it,. >> you have run these campaigns, you have tell these stories to an american public. which the story before joe biden? the one he has come up so far the, thing he's banking on, things have gotten better, got your covid, economy is approving. the states the election could not be higher. democracy may slip away from us, that's the case they're waking. >> contrast is always gonna be, given the threat, the contrast is always gonna be the most important thing. the most convincing thing. the point of the discussion going on, what is missing is. something inspiring about what's going right in your life. donald trump does a great job identifying identifying everything is going wrong peoples lives. with the white house could do, instead of talking about, i do
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this or i did that. this is what america did. this is what you did. we got through this together, you worked really hard during the pandemic, to protect your family. keep your family going. and now we together have bella new foundation, here is where we are headed. here's what can happen next. i think people are so, they are not hearing enough reassuring about what they can do. what the country can do. needs to not just be about what biden has done. that is what sort of is lacking in the discourse. there is not a discussion about all the things that are going great, that americans. that they have done. coming up and look at a new film about the man who is instrumental in organizing the 1963 march on washington. someone many do not know about.
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into los angeles. and disrupt the democratic convention. i am sorry, i am not your man. but >> who told you you are not our man? where you not our man when you took control of the montgomery bus boycott. >> when ccl first heard you speak, he rang me instead, this is magic going on down here. he is a star. and when that star starts to shine brighter than any other, including the most powerful black leaders that came before they will do everything in your party extinguish your light and put you in your place. >> i have received a number of calls from a number of people
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in the movement, who see no wisdom in the protests. men of who i share strong kinship. >> not until you leave the. room that was a scene from the film rust which, shined the light on the man who in just eight weeks planned and organized the historic 1963 march on washington. but for most of -- in his life it was done behind the scenes because he was an openly game man making him a target of the fbi, conservative members of the civil rights movement. the new film is rustin the first narrative feature from barack and michelle obama's production company. we have two actors from the film, the man who plays martin luther king day, and the woman who plays civil rights activists ella baker. so honor to have both of you
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here. first i want to talk to you about bringing martin luther king to life. for those of us who came after him, trying to put a giant like that on a personal level. seeing him as a human being. it might have tried to do the same for george washington or abraham lincoln. there are huge figures. but you do that successfully in the film. how do you do it? >> thank you joe that is very kind of you, i appreciate that. i would say it all starts with george c. wolf, the drop sir of rustin heat, a particular design of how you want to king to be. he inform me that king at this stage of his life he was in influenced by rustin, who was not the mobilized finger he become later. he was a star like he said clip, but he was rising to that. there is a lot of dedication, a
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lot of focus on the voice, i am british, so is navigating those waters. definitely, a watching a lot of his interviews. last speeches. his interviews to find out who he was in his more intimate moments. >> i was love lucky to see it of a d.c. premier, with a bunch of glass game and, who are ugly crying. and they understood and got him. i'm curious in this time in this country where you see people not wanting us to have the full conversation about race and culture. and what is happened in the past. how important is it to find and excavate the stories of people like rustin as, we move forward? >> i think it's incredibly important. we see just how relevant his story is. we are still finding so many of these same battles. it is necessary to inspire the younger generation, the work is
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not done. the work needs young voices, and loud voices. and many different roads to the same destination. many different ways of fighting for these rights in these justices. i love that people today, young people especially, are able to see themselves in some of these characters. especially someone like rustin. >> on martin luther king day, tell us about ella baker. what drew you to that role, what can we learn today from her? >> the wonderful thing about ella baker, and being able to play or. she is also someone who is a hidden figure of the civil rights movement. for those of us who know she, was considered the mother of the civil rights movement. but she was also in the background. she didn't buy into being in the forefront. she liked to consult, and mentor people. she was not only a part of dr. king's organization, the
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southern christian leadership conference. she helped to get these young kids to organize and creates nick. she was working alongside and mentoring people like john lewis, diane nash. encouraging them and encouraging them to empower themselves and empower their voices. and plow are the people they're going out to help support. it's very much a part of making sure that the people that they were going out to support realize, those people, the grassroots. they are the ones that know what they need. listen to them to help them. don't go out them to lead them, help empower them. >> what rustin, we are talking about how difficult it was for him to be openly gay black man in, during the lead up to the march and 63. it still is a challenge. it still is a challenge to be a gay black man innate black
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church. i go back to 2008 when barack obama won in california, and let black voters in have's panic voters voted against marriage quality on that date. i bring that up to say, i got, it is tough for a black gay man in 2024 it, shows just how extraordinary this was in 1963. this guy was a half a century out of his time. >> yes. and he was bold, he was honest. that is what is so important about the story. especially for coleman domingo, he has that brash, bold beautiful honesty. everyone can relate to him regardless of his sexuality, regardless of his race. he was a leader, that helped shape the country and influence one of the country's most celebrated leaders, martin luther king. this story is directly
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inspirational to people, just being able to really facilitate the fact that it took more than just one person. more than just this one individual, martin luther king to get to this march on washington. to give these unsung heroes a light, i think it's imperative. it influences you in a direct way when you feel like, oh i can do it to. king is such an icon. such a figure that is up there. i think sometimes we the people today feel like it's a height we cannot reach. perhaps we can't. but we can do our bit, that is what i love about the story of rustin the. >> it is an extraordinary story, about an extraordinary man, who made an extraordinary contribution to move the country towards being a more perfect union. the film rustin is streaming now on netflix. please watch it.
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the republican party now. they want to go and push everybody away that does not fit their narrative. i.c.e. have said it to the republican party over and over again. we have lost the last seven out of eight popular votes for president because you keep pushing people away. trump says things, americans aren't stupid to disbelieve what he says. the reality is, who lost the house for us? who lost the senate? who lost the white house? donald trump, donald trump, donald trump. >> well a town hall last night, haley said that while donald trump's criminal cases need to play out, she would pardon him if she was elected president. if you become president and donald trump's trials are still ongoing, which you preemptively pardon him without waiting for a conviction in the way that gerald ford did for richard nixon? >> now, i think everything needs to play out. i think it's important that happens, and honestly, i think president trump would want that to happen. if you want to defend himself and proof that he has been treated the wrong way or
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whether it is political, i think he would want to fight for that. you only want to talk about a pardon after someone's been convicted, so i would assume that we would let that play out, and i think he would want that to play out. >> if he were then convicted, would you then pardon him? >> i would pardon him with the simple reason of, if you talk about a pardon, someone started been found guilty. but for me, the last thing we need is an 80-year-old president sitting in jail because that is going to further divide our country. this is no longer about whether he is innocent or guilty but this is about the fact about how do we bring the country together. >> let's go to new hampshire, or refined form is imbecile be poach and contributor to the washington monthly. chris matthews. he is in manchester this morning. we also have co-host of the new msnbc show the weekend. symone sanders-townsend. president the national action network and host of msnbc's politicsnation, reverend al sharpton, and jonathan lemire, long suffering patriots fan is back with us as well.
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chris, let's go to you first. we were trying to figure out yesterday, mark halperin's two-way call, and you have a lot of guys from massachusetts you know and women who know politics up there on this conference call, and they were trying to figure out what nikki haley was doing. only -- said she's going to do fine, she's going to win, but a lot of other people scratching their heads about what she is doing because she seems to be in a position where she could win this thing, but you know, she's not taking voters questions, or at least she wasn't earlier this week. >> i think she's going to have a lot more events today and i tell you that there is a character to each state. each state is different. we are iowa's out in the midwest, and new england, it is a different culture, and look at the history of this state.
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-- knocking off harry truman back in 1952, eisenhower coming in. hillary clinton making estate against barack obama. bill clinton up here, the comeback kid. there's such a history of this. mccarthy taking on johnson. the state loves to correct the mistakes made earlier, and what a politician like nikki haley says that they would like to correct it and they say, -- no, she was telling the truth, it's the old mike kingsley rule. what a politician tells the truth >> reporter:, accidentally they have to apologize for, it but she is telling the truth. i think the woman is going to correct what happened in iowa. i think you will see the upside happening here, and i think they're usually pretty smart, and it's a pretty interesting race. if you saw something between now and and sunday, it starts to show that she has a little bit of humidity inside of her. she is not just being walked around by careful staff, but she's really showing their community the way that hillary
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clinton did, and when they spoke -- she talked emotionally about what the election did with her and obama had gone ahead and said that she is likable enough. well that was big shot stuff, and really call the moment and she pulled off a big upset up here. i think you have to look for upsets, but you're right, she will take questions from the press, but i think that the people of new hampshire have a character that is going to show itself. they love upsets up here. >> and that's what was underlined, and that's why ed -- who has been a pollster so long, i hate to think he can calls for me back when i was in congress, but you know, so many people on this conference call were saying, man, she had this chance, she blew it, she's not talking to the press, she is not doing enough events and here we have what chris just
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said in a couple other people said that this is what new hampshire does, new hampshire likes to self correct. this race is far from over, and as we were on the conference call, we got word that nikki haley is going out there and having six events today. you ran for president. talk about the importance of being out there, the importance of getting your name before the voters, and in a place like new hampshire, the importance of actually meeting them, shaking their hand and answering the questions. >> it's a very important. you must go out even though you may expect that there may be people in the audiences that don't agree with you, maybe don't even like you. it makes you in as those who are on the fence or that support you it makes you more palpable to be the president but you don't duck for impossible opposition or
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possible adversaries. and so the more that you show yourself, the more you're showing yourself capable of being the head of the restroom world with the leader of the western world. i think that her people are trying to hold her back because she has made a few mistakes in q&as and un-answers. i mean, if she made the general election, how did she explain the black voters saying that this country was never racist, or that she forgot slavery was part of the civil war? and so i would have concern if i was the staff because she does not do well in terms of answering questions, but you still have to throw out that she would only get better if people roughed her up a little bit. >> sosi is a fair prediction to make, that if haley which leaves tuesday night someone decisively or she's down a point to me that changes things but if he loses like paul suggesting that she will, ten, 12 points or so, her race is over. i think even though her next
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state is a home state of south carolina, she charles badly in the polls, there i think there's a good chance to drop out in order to spare herself the embarrassment of getting routed on home turf. so with that sense of frankly desperation in mind what would your advice be to the haley campaign? these next handful of days to come away with either very close last or better a very narrow upset win in new hampshire? >> look, i think they need to understand where specifically they are campaigning in the town hall that they participated last night there was a notable exchange with a voter a resident of new hampshire that cited her as talking about joe biden is too old to be president, and the voter said that i don't think that is language presidents should be using, i talked about her targeting the age of president biden. before she answered, he said i want to caution you to think about the median age of the state before you answer. one in five residents in new
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hampshire over the age of 65, and i think that the haley campaign has failed to understand that that is in fact a demographic. these are folks that are benefiting from social security and medicare, right? and nikki haley is campaigning on reforming the entitlement program as she calls it like with social security and something that people are paying into. she's talking about raising the retirement age. that is not trying to get the votes to seniors, and i don't think it speaks to millennium voters in the state either. lots of confidence in new hampshire that have the ability to come out and participate in the primary on tuesday. and so i do think that they just need to take a step back and recalibrate and take questions. you only get better when you put yourselves out there, but you have to be prepared and i think what we have seen from the haley campaign is just a lack of preparation for some of the barbs that are coming her way, and i continue to say, she has to be a little bit more inspirational. sounds way too much -- taking too much advice from governor sununu. he sounds like a pundit every
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call for total presidential immunity under any and all circumstances. on social media yesterday morning, trump or the president should be safe from legal prosecution, even for things that quote, crossed the line. >> that is everything, and that is a follow-up to his own lawyer saying yes, but look trump could use sultan six to assassinate his political opponents. >> and remember, we have learned that when he says something, you can believe him. then last night when asked on fox news about his closing message to new hampshire voters
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-- >> this is it. >> this is his final statement. why do new hampshire voters need to vote for donald trump. >> trump used the question is a chance to once again discuss his own legal troubles. >> what is your closing message to the people new hampshire? >> it's very simple, it's make america great again, but i think very important, before we do, this because you're talking about the supreme court, they have two votes that are very important coming up. the president of the united states, and i'm not talking about myself, i'm talking about any president, has to have immunity, because if you take immunity away from the president, so important, you will have a president that's not going to be able to do anything because when he leaves office, the opposing party president, if it is the opposing party, and indict the president for doing something that should have been good. >> and of course he went on to battle some more that said once again that barack obama is the current president of the united
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states, that he does that repeatedly and he says, oh no, we're trying to make a point. no, he's not, because he also warns about and world war ii. but he said last night when john handed and said hey, let me help you and get you because you're struggling here, -- >> speak to the voters. >> let me give you a chance to do your final closing statement to voters, he says, i'm going to get total immunity. i'm going to get total immunity, and barack obama when he leaves the white house is going to need total immunity to. let's bring in editor at the nonpartisan career protect democracy amanda carpenter. yesterday the group protect released a report titled the authoritarian playbook for 2025, which outlines the threats to a second trump presidency. amanda, well, my gosh, you are
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going to have to add a addendum to this because donald trump yesterday and through the night and early morning was talking about how he must have total immunity. jonah goldberg early this morning tweeted a serious question for trump supporters, if donald trump can get total immunity and use s.e.a.l. team six to assassinate political rivals, and why couldn't joe biden order still to six to assassinate donald trump? and he said serious question, this is what your candidate, this is what your cult leader is arguing. how does anybody support that? >> well i think it is difficult from any kind of consistent legal perspective, but we have learned by now that donald trump makes arguments of convenience into benefit himself, and this idea of
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immunity, how he turns immunity into something real's when he becomes president again and becomes the power. and luckily, i don't have to re-write this report, because that is our jumping off point. of the first, most urgent threat in our report, we outlined, six but i do want to talk about the part of power, because i think that once a president can do himself above the law, that leads to all kinds of other bad things. it leads to a weaponization of the department of justice where he can direct investigations against his political enemies because, guess what, it was gonna prosecute him for it but the people who carry out those orders on his behalf, and that's what is also really important to remember when he is talking about immunity in this race. if you look at that tweet or whatever we're calling it now in the middle of the night, it got a lot of pick up, because if you look at the rest of it he also says that you can't stop police from doing the job of doing confidential because you want to --
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that apple. when he's on the campaign trail, he talks a lot about indemnifying of that apples and policy papers, which quite frankly concerns me more because i know he didn't write them. it was the staff around him, the people that will be in the trump two pointer administration that will carry out these directives. they talk about how you have to allow people at i.c.e. border patrol to carry out the president's demands. there's going to be no more independence at these federal agencies because they report to the president. agencies bso it's not only thatl be above the law, but will be all the people around him that he can get pardons to, that he can identify, they can say, you know what? if you do this because i say, so forget about the law, i've got you. and we see this now with the pardon dangling for the january six rioters. we saw it in his first administration. i called henchmen pardons. the pardons that he gave out for paul manafort and michael
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flynn and others who stonewalled robert mueller's investigation. so it's not even like -- i don't have to stare into a crystal ball and predict what is going to happen, it is very clearly laid out for all of us to see. >> it has happened before, and it's going to be intensified, it's really going to be worse when he becomes president again. amanda brings up a great point when talking about how donald trump looks, you know, he's shuffling around. at times he just looks really confused and lost onstage. he still thinks that barack obama's president of the united states. what are we, eight years after obama left the white house? that said, man that brings up a great point. donald trump has rounded himself now and people around him have surrounded himself with people who know how to implement policy and know that
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implement his most authoritarian instincts, and he's not, when he's elected, he's not going to bumble through the four years like he did in his first term. if he is elected again, he's going to have people in there who have already said they're going after his political opponents. already said they're going after networks. already said there going after look producers on shows. they've already said that they're going after all of their political enemies, and it's going to make orban look like thomas jefferson. >> we recall that first week of the trump term in january 2017 when they tried institute the muslim ban, but they did know what they were doing. it's so sloppy that they fell apart very quickly in the courts. that's probably not going to happen this time around. they've had not years to prepare and practice, and trump's surrounded not only by professionals, but by true
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believers. they are going to be any guardrails in the white house this time around. there's not going to be a general mattis or kelly. amanda, a few of these i feel like can be linked, and they're all getting at the joe idea that he was starting to get to, and the idea of punishing foes, seeking them on an opponent, and that could mean federal law enforcement overreach. it is on a grander scale, if there are protests against trump on americas streets, the deployment of military in a domestic fashion, something that his team has already suggested they might do by invoking the insurrection act. just walk us through these here, which paint a very scary picture. >> i guess the broad picture is that this is what the retribution and that looks like, and the hardest thing, and i think you guys can understand, covering donald trump, analyze, explain him, there's just so much. so how do you tell that story and how do you separate just the politics, his usual stuff, the stuff that isn't real, and
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the stuff you should really pay attention to. and so that's what i really tried to do with this report, with our wonderful colleagues are protected democracy, liberals, progressives, like me, but all dedicated his mission. >> we have much more to talk about. winter weekend returns after a short break. nd about these glasses. yeah, it happens. that's why visionworks gives you 100 days to change your mind. it's simple. anything else i can help you with? like what? visionworks. see the difference. (♪♪) some people just know that the best rate for you is a rate based on you. not one based on whatever this person's doing. get a rate based on you with drivewise in the allstate app. ♪ students... students of any age, from anywhere. students in a new kind of classroom. ♪ using our technology to power different ways of learning.
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keep no labels off of the 2024 ballot. the complaint calls on the doj to investigate, quote, a highly coordinated conspiratorial partisan and after unlawful conspiracy involving individuals both inside and outside government to deny americans their constitutional right to choose the leaders who represent them. here now with more, no labels national co-chair doctor benjamin chavis junior, and one of the group's leaders, former u.s. attorney dan webb. doctor chavis, first explain to us what you are trying to achieve with the justice department in the investigation there, and who ultimately when you want to put on the ballot to elect to be a viable candidate? >> let me ask your first question. the reason why we sent a eight-page letter to the
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department justice is to protect the voting rights of all americans. it is to prevent voter suppression. it is to prevent the harassment, the threatening of harm, to staff, to donors, and even to potential candidates who have been threatened by these groups. they've crossed the line. we live in a democracy where everybody should have a right to vote without intimidation, and everybody should have the right to get ballot access without intimidation and harassment. that is why we've asked the united states department justice to investigate these groups. it's very detailed, and a lawyer can get into some of the details, but that is why we wrote this letter. >> and dan webb, let's move now to the aspirations of no labels, one of the candidates that you are considering putting out there? >> we are in a process right now of considering candidates, but i will say that the fact is
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that if we are denied valid access, if we cannot get a ballot line, candidates don't make any difference, and so, yes we obviously are focused on at the appropriate time selecting the proper candidates. but right now what doctor chavis pointed out is that the reason we have gone to the department of justice is because we want to get on the ballot. 65% of the american public want a choice. i cannot understand why there is such a concerted effort to obstruct us, one 65% of the american people want a choice. we are going to give them a choice. and by the way, once we give the public a choice and we have selected candidates, it is okay to attack our candidates. there is nothing wrong with that. but what the law does not allow is right now as we are getting valid access under the law, people cannot engage in the activities where they are actually harassing, intimidating, threatening, engaging in fear to keep us off
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of the ballot. i do not understand why that is going on, and we're trying to get doj to do a full investigation. that is why we presented a lot of evidence to doj in this letter. we hope they will conduct a full scale investigation and get to the bottom of this and stop it. >> and response the allegations made by no labels, one of the groups named in the complaint, the lincoln project writes on x, in part quote, no labels is a dark money group that is so consumed with its own press for power in relevancy that it is willing to risk electing trump despite their own acknowledgment that he is a dangerous idealogue. and then a statement to cbs news, another group, third way, called the allegations quote baseless and frivolous. so dan webb, what is your response? that >> that response is an incredibly weak response. why do they defend themselves
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on why they are engaging in intimidation and harassment? and by the way, the idea that we will be a spoiler for trump, we have said -- i would not be involved in no labels if that is ever going to happen. we are not going to do that. if we are determined -- i will tell you right now, based on polling numbers that are public, it appears no labels would draw votes from both democrat and republican parties, both of them in a pretty equal way, and that is what you expect to happen, which is why it looks like if we are allowed to get about learning put together this forward, it looks like we will win that race. we will actually get elected president of the united states and vice president because when you have 65% of the american public who want a different choice, let the make the decision. and by the way, the idea that we will be a spoiler for trump, when i just face up to the reality, let us have a ballot
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line. let us choose our candidates and let's see what happens. give the people the right to vote. i don't understand why they're trying to interfere with that. >> so doctor chavis, we need to push a little further on, this because it has been widespread belief by democrats to indeed make us points that no labels effort is putting forward a moderate candidate whether it be a joe manchin, joe lieberman would in fact hurt president far more so. they point to polling this is the opposite of what your colleague just said. so can you just again, can you clearly, for everyone watching here today, because another a lot of democrats were deeply anxious about no labels. i'm sure you have heard that anxiety. what will you do if it looks like, in the run up to the election, that it will help that your candidate health admiral trump become president? trump become president it's a very good question, glad you asked it. first of all, i'm a democrat, and we have democrats, republicans, and independents all working together in no labels. the absence of bipartisanship,
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the absence of civility, that is part of the problem. that is why i was so proud when no labels establish the problem solvers caucus in congress, which is bipartisan. but to answer your question, we are not a spoiler for donald trump. that is ridiculous, and that is a serious allegation in has no merit when it comes to no labels. we work at the state level getting ballot access, even though we've been intimidated and harassed at various levels that are not complaining. so i just want to make sure for the record, no labels is not putting this forward to be a spoiler for anyone, particularly donald trump. and then of course as my colleague attorney dan webb has emphasized, over 60% of the american people want a different choice in 2024. so, you know, over the majority
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of the voting population wants better choices and more choices. in a democracy, that should be happening. we don't live in a authoritarian, or at least not right now, we don't have a authoritarian government or society that then is the right to vote to all people, that denies the right to ballot access, and that is what we are trying to overcome. >> up next, michelle norris is here to talk about a new book exploring the intersection of race and identity in america. rica
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people from all around the world have been reflecting on race and identity as part of the race card project. the peabody award-winning initiative asked participants to submit answers to this simple prompt, race, your story, six words, please send. the responses are the subject of the new book entitled our hidden conversations: what americans really think about race and identity, and the book's author, award-winning journalist and the founding director of the race card project, michele norris joins us now. thank you for coming on the show, congratulations on this book. i can't wait to talk about the six word answers and everything else that is in the book, but
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tell us what surprise you the most along the way in your research for? this >> good morning mika, and thank you so much for having me. i have been surprised at every step of this journey. i was surprised that people took the bait and sentenced six words. it started with postcards, we sort of news pass snail mail, but peoples and their six words, find a poster stamp in the men, and overtime, i have been surprised at the depth, of how much you can pack into just six words, how it really captures the american story in such a potent and powerful way, and i've been surprised at who put their stories in the basket. i'm an african american woman, i'm talking about race, i thought most of the people who share their stories would be people of color and particularly black people, but most of the 14 years that i've been doing this, the majority of the stories have come from white people in america and elsewhere around the world. we've collected stories for more than 100 countries, and that surprised me because most of our conversations are centered on people of color,
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and this allowed me to see america in a different way, in a powerful way, in a fuller way because there was so much buy in from white americans. >> i think to me reading through the book what is extraordinary is how honest people. or maybe a little surprising, but also refreshing even ways that don't reveal the best things about them, the things that they say. were you surprised by the response that you got and that they said, this is who i am, maybe it isn't at the best version of who i want to be, but this is the reality of who i am. >> and some cases they're admitting, this is not the best version. in some cases, they're saying this is who i am and i'm actually very proud of it. someone who writes, white privilege, earned it, enjoy it. that is an anthem, that is a stake in the ground saying this is who i am. and there are some people over the years who have been a bit critical, like why did they get a seat at the table, or are you telling their story? what we're trying to do is go to -- for america so that you can see, so that america can see itself
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around the issues of race and identity. and if that's the case, you shouldn't like everything that you see. you shouldn't understand everything that you see. it's this big conundrum. -- -- you see anxiety, you see humor every so often in the mpox a card will come up like underneath, we all taste like chicken, or a total non issue, when the alien arrives, and the like that. and some people use humor, the card lady, i don't want your purse. and it's funny, but have you ever walked into an elevator and touched your wallet ripples your purse a little bit closer, and you don't even know why you do it, but someone is making you feel threatened in some way. the person who writes that is a black man who says that his
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color entered the room before he does it because of that is always inoculating other people 's fears. so he uses humor, lady, i don't want your purse, but he's actually talking about something that is like a little microaggression. >> we have lots more to talk about. morning joe: weekend returns after a short break. short break. can treat and prevent my migraine attacks all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion and stomach pain. talk to your doctor about nurtec today. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. i'm lowering my risk. adults lost up to 14 pounds. i lost some weight.
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almost eight trillion dollars to it, continues the not at that rate under president biden. is there any serious conversation about bringing that number down? do you see any urgency in the congress on? this >> not a bit, willie. and in fact as we will talk about in a minute, there are these bills that are going to be in front of congress, supplemental in the debt deal that actually will add to the debt, add to the deficit, and add to the debt. no, there is nothing serious going on. republicans just want to cut taxes, cut spending. the democrats would actually be more constructive, but they're not in charge at the moment in the house of representatives, so no, i think that 34 trillion is just going to -- it's going to be a two trillion dollar deficit in the current fiscal year, it's going to keep going from their absent some of the crisis the forces the congress to deal with it. >> let's talk about you charge to start with. the first one right behind you there. slim majority, slow congress. we've talked about how historically unproductive this congress has been. what are you looking at there on the chart? >> yeah, so you guys have been
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talking about, and so i thought i would bring in some charts in some numbers to put some facts behind it. so the republicans have the smallest majority actually i think in history at the moment. they have just two seats, and they started with four, and you had joe santos lead, you had kevin mccarthy leave, and the data just two seats. the consequence of that is that they have passed the fewest number of bills in modern history in their first year. they passed just 24 bills, and you can see what went on here in the past. it's a dramatic drop off. it shows it always wasn't us, and this gets back a little bit to what joe was talking about about the debt in the deficit, because back in 99 in 2000, they also had a small majority. but you can see over here that they actually passed a lot of legislation. and as joe said, they dealt with the debt, we had a surplus, we got a lot of legislation passed. congress can function. but it's really a question within the republican party, because they can't function. mike johnson doesn't have control over that far right, as we are going to talk about
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happening in this town. >> my job is to keep everyone safe. >> that bodies? we are circumstances? you need to get [blp] out of control. >> that was a chilling preview of the fourth season of hbo's hit show true detective, this year titled true detective, night country. in the latest season in the critically acclaimed series follows two detectives in alaska with a complicated history working together as they risk their lives to solve the murder case that is equally disturbing as it is mysterious. joining us now, the two stars of true detective night country, jodie foster and kali reis. so jodie, you are also the executive producer on this
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season and that has been five years since the last season of true detective, and nearly, forgive me, 50 years since we have done television. >> really? >> i'm sorry to be the one to break it to you here. what about this particular project was such an appeal that it was time to go back. >> well listen, tv and streaming is where it's at. that's really where the real narrative is right now, and so it's an exciting place to be. i've been directing a little bit on streaming. some stories require a longer amount of time, and so i was excited about coming back. once i heard the script, i knew that was it, and then meeting our show runner and director, she's extraordinary. >> and so kali, what do you in particular to this role? >> just the story, issa lópez create this masterpiece of the story, two seconds into reading it i was really captivated and want to know what happened, where she was going with the story, and then the characters that she constructed between navarro and danvers was just
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amazing, and to have this as my third job, to get this opportunity, was a pretty big deal. so it was just a blessing. >> so let's turn now to a clip where your characters are discussing the possible explanations behind the recent murders that you are investigating. >> what's your explanation for her popping up 16 years after she dies? what about the man on the ice, why did they go out there? come on, don't give me that, voodoo, e.t., cosmic oompa loompa -- >> are you trying to say chupacabra? >> whatever, the magic, there's no magic. there is a real explanation for this. >> all right. i'm listening. >> we're just not asking the right questions. we well, we will find it. >> who is the one who believes in miracles?
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fantasy football? >> tender. >> you are on tinder? >> i'm not on tender. >> fantasy football as well. so kali, as much as you can, no spoilers, a little bit more about the plot but also the relationship between these two. >> the plot follows a true detective kind of storyline where there is just a mystery in where you think that you have an answer, you are completely wrong. you might have to look somewhere else, and don't blink, because there are clues everywhere. and relationship between navarro and danvers, you can tell at one point they were really good friends, they have a lot of love and respect for one another, but they absolutely hate each other. but they work very, very well together, and that is something that they probably both hate equally. >> and the chemistry is so obvious. and for the first season of true detective with matthew mcconaughey, woody harrelson, that relationship was so defined. and also the location, that gothic set. location plays a big role here.
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it's set in alaska, tell us where you actually from. that >> we actually found an iceland because we cannot shoot in alaska. the places that we looked at were too isolated, didn't have roads, the winter too harsh, it's we found ourselves in iceland and rustic iceland mostly. we could've had more fun, great more live music, terrific crew, wonderful food, and i could live there. except for maybe there is the wind that is the problem. >> and are there any challenges filming in this article? >> yes. >> and it was the character actually said it is a whole character within itself and it helps to be in those real elements like these characters would be, but the wind, the wind was something that you can't get past. >> so kali, an important piece of this story is the idea of violence against indigenous women. i know that is a cause you care deeply about. tell us a little bit about your own connection to it and why is it so important to have what is such in overlooked storyline to
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be represented on the screen like this. oked>> i use advocacy with the k that i do because it doesn't feel duty as a mixed indigenous woman as having the way your spirit, as being a voice for the voiceless. these women, these people that have gotten murdered and are missing and have no authorities looking for our people is something that needs to be put on mainstream media. so using my platform just to give the voice of the voiceless is another opportunity to be in front of an audience that would normally hear about these things. we know what's going on in our communities, but we need those allies, we need motivation to change more famishing it's passed around, and we can to stop this epidemic from happening. it happens every day in neighborhoods right next door from people who don't know, and it gets really complicated and so this was just really important for me to highlight this epidemic for people storm from us? >> as you suggested, 84% of american alaskan woman have experienced this and so much of
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this under reported. this is also new for the franchise that is two women detectives and talk to us about that dynamic and why that's important to see? >> season one is extraordinary, we are honor to fall in their footsteps, and it was pretty much about toxic masculinity now masculinity affected them, and you know, the inherent massage any of that. so a little different. >> well mika, that does it forests the saturday. when we coming? back >> we'll be back tomorrow morning. 6 am eastern. for more on the weeks of stories, msnbc's the weekend starts right now. ts right now good morning, it is saturday, january 20th, exactly when your internet rationed. i'm alicia menendez here with symone sanders-town
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