this under reported. this is also new for the franchise that is two women detectives and talk to us about that dynamic and why that's important to see? >> season one is extraordinary, we are honor to fall in their footsteps, and it was pretty much about toxic masculinity now masculinity affected them, and you know, the inherent massage any of that. so a little different. >> well mika, that does it forests the saturday. when we coming? back >> we'll be back tomorrow morning. 6 am eastern. for more on the weeks of stories, msnbc's the weekend starts right now. ts right now good morning, it is saturday, january 20th, exactly when your internet rationed. i'm alicia menendez here with symone sanders-townsend and

michael steele. these are some of the stories we are following today. donald trump's attorney and e. jean carroll's defamation case renewing calls for a mistrial. congressman jim hines is here to discuss the improving biden economy, and we are just 72 hours from primary day in new hampshire where the states could not be higher for republicans in for this country. grab your coffee, settle, and welcome to the weekend. ♪ ♪ ♪ we begin this hour with newly-released video from donald trump's april 2023 deposition and the new york civil trial trial against him and his company. during the interview, trump not only bragged about his finances and his brand, but also claimed his presidency save the planet from a quote, nuclear holocaust. >> you're too busy for the company? >> anyway, yeah. i can say, it another way of saying. it i was very busy. i consider this the most

important job in the world, saving millions of jobs. i think we would've had nuclear holocaust if i didn't deal with north korea. i think you would've had a nuclear war if i wasn't elected, and i think you might have a nuclear war now if you want to know the truth. >> first time i saw that clip, what came to mind is something that we often talk about, how what he says in a courtroom is not a legal strategy, it is a political tragedy strategy. >> and we were there. people forget that we were there. we all lived in the trump years. and some people like to block it, out but i remember the calf and the frenzy of trying to take a nap at five or six pm on a friday, and you're waking up and, oh my goodness, what did donald trump tweet? and so again, i tweeted yesterday, or whatever recalling it, now on the site formally known as twitter, are there still tweets? >> i think they're still tweets? >> are we accessing? >> it's axe. >> i posted on that site the other day that people will just say anything, and if they say

it with conviction, they will say anything and they say with conviction and people will believe that it's true. >> there's no frame of reference with donald trump. it is a stream of consciousness thought of whatever that is in here. it just comes out. so you ask a question, yes. if it weren't for, me there would've been a nuclear holocaust. regardless of everything else in the universe around the white house and national governments. if it weren't for me, these things would happen. it is part of the ongoing narrative to sell himself to people who believe whatever comes out of his mouth. and so what happens is is that we have to figure out how to filter the stuff that comes out of his mouth. what is serious and real, and what is just donald trump doing a self promotion thing. the problem is that it's more self-promotion than what is real, and that makes the narrative that the democrats, the media, and others find very

difficult to counter program against what he is saying. and so the courts are now dealing with this because, as we have just seen, trump will sit there and just run his mouth off to the judge. irrespective of consequences, because we feel there won't be any. and it's a campaign platform where they generally aren't any consequences for going out with that. >> whether haven't been any from donald trump. the most he has been is fined by a judge. the question i have is, where do they get the money? and does he have to give, right. and you know doctor maya angelou what's said when people show you who are in the tell you who you are, believe them. i believe donald trump when he says these things. i think he does believe that he prevented a nuclear holocaust because he has put together some warped vision of what his presidency was in his mind. i also believe that he will seek retribution against the media and his political foes if he is the next president.

i believe that he is going to be a dictator on day one, because that is what he is saying. we were talking before the show started and a colleague of ours said to me recently, you know, the best thing that ever happened to the american people was the covid briefing back when trump was president, because people could just see it all for themselves and they can make their own decisions. this although trump's own words day in and day out for his administration and his staff. i think one of the things that the media apparatus has wrestled with is just how to de-platform him, do you not? do you put guardrails around it? and right now it's kind of like, see no evil, hear no evil or donald trump's concern in the things he is saying. because if you're not watching israelis or watching fox news, you don't see the insane things that he has said. if people didn't wake up at 8:00 right away, they didn't see this video that we played at the deposition. i just think it is really important the people here what he is saying. >> one of the things that struck me in this deposition video is the extent to which he

thinks himself as a consumer brand, and in that can be slapped on to a suit tie, and in that can be slapped on to a building. when the reality is that the man has become a political brand. and a political brand is much more complicated than a consumer brand. i want to play with a portion of that deposition, because of the forms how trump thinks about his business, his worth, it is political success. >> my most valuable asset, i didn't even include on your statement, and that is the brand. i didn't even include that. the brand, i wanted to create a statement that was high, i would put the brand on it. i became president because of the brand. and i became president. i think it's the hottest brand in the world. i think my brand values my greatest asset, even though gets tarnished by people like this suing me. maybe it gets hotter. >> attorney george conway joins us now. thanks for being with us, thanks for getting up early. before we get to the merits at

the value of this brand, -- when his military deposition. there is no strategy. everybody talks about him having a strategy and it's like that quote i remember once in politico a few years ago, where there's a blind quote for the administration and that's what he's doing in the courtroom and that is what he was doing and there's no strategy and he's a sociopath and if you look at that diagnostic criteria for a sociopath, they're purely impulsive. he acts instinctively. sociophe has no real intellect. his intellect is reptilian in a sense. he has a limited number of arrests. there is bullying, there is lying, and that is basically what it comes down to. >> except for we have seen him another trials plead the fifth. so he does have the discipline

to do that when he thinks it behooves him. >> and you know how much work that problem took to do that. remember, there is this great passage and i think bob woodworth's first book on the trump administration, on donald trump, where it was jim dowd i think it was who was trying to figure out whether they can put him into a room with special counsel mullin or to have him interview him. not even under oath, and he just melted down when the cross-examined him, and they had to convince him not to appear before mueller, because he would've just destroyed himself. but it was a big fight. and so what they did the first time around, managing to persuade him to testify and plead the fifth 440 times was an amazing thing, but, you know, he does understand that -- the other thing is that he doesn't like to be questioned under oath because he doesn't

control, he doesn't necessarily control it. particularly in the courtroom. that's why, for all of the mountains and the performative behavior that he is doing right now in this trial in new york and saying, oh, she is lying, all of these sort of comments by the jury. it's like okay, dude, you could've testified under oath the first time around, and you didn't even show up. and anyway -- >> then george, two things. it struck me in this deposition video that, and i believe donald trump when he speaks, and i think he does believe that his brand value is his greatest asset as he said because it has all been a big rift. and the civil fraud trial goes directly to the heart of his brain value. it could bankrupt him and he wouldn't be able to do business. and the e. jean carroll trial, i have not figured out why he is showing up in the way that he is on this one.

>> again, there is no strategy, it is just all emotional. it is all, look, it is bragging and lime and intimidating and bully. that is literally -- those are the things that he does, in there he is trying to bully. there he is just angry -- >> angry at being held accountable. >> angry at being held accountable. he is like a -- he is a five-year-old, okay? except intellectually more challenge than most five year olds. he is emotionally stunted at five years old, and he throws tantrums. this is a big tantrum. this is him just showing frustration. yeah, for me, out the judge says, you can't really help yourself, and he can't. psychologically, he is so damaged, he cannot help himself. he is hurting himself. i mean, -- has terrible a lawyer as she is, she is doing some stuff that actually makes sense.

>> like what? >> she is trying to minimize his effect on her, for example. i mean it's nonsense, but oh there are five hours before the president made a comment in 2019 where people were attacking you. so it wasn't really donald trump who was causing you harm. it's nonsense. so she is trying to minimize the effect that she had on her, and then he is there making these comments in open court, holding a press conference outside, and posting on stuff at two in the morning that completely undoes what they are do. it is local. he's look. oh he cannot help himself. >> i want to broaden that out a little bit, because it's interesting, this sort of brand idea, and you do see it playing out narratively at a number of places, but it is interesting how the brand idea applies in the immunity case because

they're, again, the president is, it is about his brand. as president, i have -- in the idea that this immunity is going to cross the line. rolling stone headline, and some have, trump demands total presidential immunity, even for acts that crossed the line. the former president has made clear once again that he believes the office should have absolute power. that goes to the heart of the brand. the president is, my brand is that i am the guy. therefore i'm not accountable unless i am convicted through impeachment. how does that play when you look at the presidential aspect? i get the five-year-old -- >> i think everybody over thinks this guy. there is no strategy. there is no thought, and the brand is just him, he lives in

this world where there is just him. >> but it's not just, and george. it is a heck of a lot of people out there who have gotten sucked up into this thing and who are perpetuating. i'm >> talking about in his mind. none of us matter. those people don't matter. they're not real people. he doesn't care what happens to them. if they show him adulation and they do his bidding, that's good. if they don't do his bidding, they can, he will destroy them. he will discard them. in his mind, okay, as a man with no empathy, a man with no conscience, it's just him. and that's, it's not that i am promoting a brand. this is me in his mind, in his deeply damaged mind,, he has created this world where i don't have to follow the rules. i shouldn't have to follow the rules. if somebody tries to make me follow the rules, they're evil

and bad and nasty and should be destroyed. and i'm the victims! >> what makes him more dangerous as he is trying to codify it, right? he's making this coast about presidential immunity where the snow line that could be crossed, a very much complex things that are within the context of presidential responsibility -- >> correct! [inaudible] and things that are very much not, like overturning the fair and free law. >> i want to know for folks, he posted on social media site that presidents must have full immunity to avoid indictments being filed against them by the opposing party. the protections of immunity he added to extend even to offense that crossed the line. he is making an argument that his lawyer made, and the appeals court, like, essentially, you could assassinate one of your rivals as president of the united states of america. >> it's not new. again, to understand trump's authoritarianism, his racism, his misogyny, and everything else about him, you have to understand his basic psychology, which is his own narcissistic

sociopath. it's not a philosophy. it's not a legal argument to him, yes, he is parroting what his lawyer said, but this is something why he believes because it's about him. he once said, remember, article two allows me to do whatever i want. >> referring to article two of the constitution. >> of course, when barack obama was president landed something he didn't like, he tweeted that once, he should be prosecuted! it's not about any legal principle. it's not about the brave. it's all about me, me, me, i, i, i, and there's me and none of the rest of you matter. >> i know you're not leaving, but my last question on this point is what does this mean? yelp in republicans for a long time. -- >> not -- march 2018, i'm gonna salute you for libel. >> bring. it bring! it's bringing it! he used to be a republican. i was wondering, what does it mean for all these people who

are now saying got to get back on the trump train. >> it's crazy, because this man, look. it's all a combination of grift, cowardice, and ambition, in the case of tim scott. that's what this is all about. for the people, you know, i am leaving apart the masses, but these people, those are the three things. and what's amazing to me, though, all of its amazing. the corruption, the grift, i don't know what you're gonna do about that. but the cowardice is an amazing thing to me. he's not scary at all. he's a moron. he can't even spell. this man couldn't find israel on a map. >> i don't think you like donald trump too much. >> -- >> georgia is sticking with us, because we have questions, and we need to take into the e. jean carroll case, the defamation trial, georgia's

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again calling for a mistrial. but eugene carroll defamation case, like esther, day in a desperate attempt to change in their tip of the trial, alina habba, judge, again, to be very clear, alina habba is donald trump's lawyer, told judge lewis kaplan, again, had essentially ruined her ce because she committed to deleting online messages containing death threats. this comes after an embarrassing week for miss hobbs, who was admonished my judge kaplan 14 times over basic lawyering on her first day alone, according to business insider. george conway is back with us.

george, on this point about the deleting of the messages, i want to be really clear for folks. those messages were deleted well before e. jean carroll even thought about bringing a case. so, the argument that trump's lawyers are essentially making here is because she deleted bullying messages, she is deleting evidence here, and it is not trustworthy. donald trump hasn't got his due in court. >> that's complete bowl, you know what. >> yes, i know what. [laughter] >> oh, donald's watching. it's complete bowl, because first of all, the reason that you say. it was done weight before. in order to get this kind of, they want what is called a spoil latium charge, where the jury says you can make findings against the party because they destroyed evidence. they're also asking for a mistrial. you only get that when someone is trying to destroy evidence that's harmful to them. this evidence was not harmful to her.

when she deleted it, and she deleted it for a reason that had nothing to do with the litigation. you get this, and i'm sure all of you have gotten nasty emails, you delete them. even if you don't take them seriously, even if they're not threatening, it is just unpleasant. that's just what you do. and the notion that somehow, this is harmful to trump's case is ludicrous. these are things you probably would be great to have as exhibits that would help her. so, that notion should get a spoil asian, when they first brought this up in courts, the judge just, you know, sloughed it off and said that's ridiculous. he didn't say that's ridiculous, he gave what looks like on the transcript, a traditional eye roll. >> yeah, yeah. >> this motion is going nowhere. is performative, and it's nonsense. that kind of thing that gets you in trouble in court is when you actually destroy evidence to help your case or hide it. like, for example, let's say you had classified documents in your bathroom at your resort,

and you decided to hide that from the fbi, that's bad. that's that. >> casual example. >> who would do that? >> what struck me this week watching everything that transpired in this case is a lot of the donald trump cases are, to me, deeply emotional. what happened on january 6th, deeply emotional. i think even when you talk about the civil fraud trial, the fact that just feels like he thinks there's a different set of rules that apply to him? emotional, but this e. jean carroll case. when you hear her testimony and then you watch the bullying on part of his attorneys, trying to make this counter argument that she somehow benefited from what was a very risky move on her part, right? a mover she knew she was going to lose political capital, social capital. she did it in the service of other women. she did it in the name of accountability. this, one to, me it's a little difference, especially when you saw the way that alina habba treated her during that defamation. >> yeah.

they are approached defending this case is kind of like a combination of blame the victim and the slot defense, all at once. it's really, really nasty. and what they're essentially saying is if you complain about being sexually assaulted, well, you are causing the harm to yourself. okay? because you wouldn't have triggered the response. it's classic narcissist narcissist bs. when they say, don't make me do this to you. you caused me to abuse you. , like it's crazy. but it's also,, again i mean, as i said, his main tricks are bullying, lying, and bragging. those are the things that he does. this is not just bullying. it's sadistic. that's the recent why he showed up. it's sadistic. he wants to sit there and make her miserable. he thinks he can intimidate her. he also thinks he can intimidate the jury. think about this.

it hasn't really gotten this much coverage, this jury is an anonymous jury. in other, words what it means is even the lawyers don't know the names of the jurors. normally, in a normal case -- >> they use fake names -- they told jurors to use fake names. >> in a normal case, to get the names of the jurors and what you do to have your jury. you have your own, lawyer consult with the jury, the jury consults, or your paralegals. google the names to ceo, this one. oh, they've, $10,000 to the rnc, or as previously posted something on social networks saying such and such. you can say your honor, we challenge this juror. we found this and we challenge this juror. judge didn't allow that here. judge had and it under anonymous jury. that's what they do for moth cases, when they're afraid jurors are going to be intimidated. judge caplan did that here, not only did that here, but told the jurors they shouldn't even give each other their own

names. left somehow, the names leak out and the maga crowd fermented by trump goes out there. >> let's put a bow on that piece, because i think it's an important aspect of this case of e. jean carroll's case. her, as a sympathetic figure under assault by the president. the president tried to cast himself as a sympathetic figure, under assault by the judicial system, and miss carroll. how does that work for a jury, sitting there, listening and seeing this, you, know thing unfolded front of them, with these competing -- >> especially because they know the power dynamic. >> they know the power dynamic there. >> they're talking about an independent citizen and the former president of the united states. >> how do they look at that? >> i haven't seen this jury. i've heard some reports about the jury that they are responding you, no, i think the plaintiffs got a couple of

smiles or something like that. i don't. no i haven't been in this courtroom. but i will tell you this. there's something about him. donald trump, when you see little clips of him, you kind of think you know, it's reality tv. he's silly. he's harmless, it's just nonsense, he just does his thing. he does his stick. but when you see him up close and in personal, you start to realize there's something seriously wrong with him. that's what happens with his own people. remember how his chief of staff, general kelly, brought in a book, like, the psychiatry's had written about donald trump, saying he was completely out of his mind, and he's like, this is the key. we could figure this out. people learn, there is something seriously wrong with this guy, and i think what this jury is going to learn, which is, like you are in this proceeding, you are taking this seriously, and jurors generally don't look at scams and people behaving badly in the courtroom, and here, they have this psychopath sitting right there.

it's got to be off putting and scary, and just appalling to them, because they were actually seeing him in the flesh, this real person, not this caricature on tv, this self caricature on tv. they're seeing the face, face literally of evil right there. >> especially concern on adjudicating what he did or didn't do. >> exactly. it's about the. money >> this is about the money. >> it's not about the money, but -- >> the point is, he's been found to be a rapist. found! this jury is being instructed, this man raped this woman and lied about it. light about it when he was president, lied about it after he was president, and liked about it last night. >> that's the aspect i'm really curious about. how does that jury absorb all of that in the context of the very limited role that they have, finally, how much money they're going to find donald

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democrats on the bill to keep the government open, while 106 republicans voted against it. now, speaker my chance in this 41 days to get their house in order, again, but here's the catch. because of the congressional schedule over the next few weeks, the house and senate are in session at the same time for a total of, get this, just six days before the march 1st deadline. yes, the clock is ticking. joining us now is democratic congressman of connecticut and ranking member of the house intelligence committee, jim himes. congressman himes, welcome. it's great to see you here with us this weekend. i want to draw your attention out of the box to what is at the crux of this stalemate. i would dare say, fake stalemate. let's listen to the speaker of the house after the white house meeting on the border. >> we must have changed at the border. substantive, policy change.

the national security and the humanitarian catastrophe, and i articulated that the president in the meeting now. we understand there is concern about the safety security sovereignty of ukraine, but the american people have those same concerns about our own domestic sovereignty. the house is ready to act, but the legislation has to solve the problem. >> congressman, is the house ready to act here? because it seems to me, at least, that both ukraine and that border are being used as a cudgel to break up a deal that democrats and the house and republicans in the house, and certainly, the senate, in the white house have aligned on. >> that's exactly right, michael. and you know, let me rewind you here for a moment to you, now let's say six weeks ago, when the speaker and the republicans made it very clear to the president there was no ukraine possible unless there was a border deal. , so they found the two things together.

order and immigration. mike you, but congress has not done a border immigration deal in decades. it's one of the hardest things we do, and they found that together. now, that opens the possibility to get neither, right? despite the fact, and i was in that meeting at the white house. there were about 22 of us present. the presidents people. for an hour and a half, everyone in that room agreed it was critical to ukraine, and it was critical to do a border immigration deal. i heard the president say three times, i will do a big immigration deal. here's the problem. in the house of, there is probably no border and immigration deal shorts of building a very high wall and never letting an immigrant into this country again that will satisfy, let's call it 20 or 30 republican numbers. mike, -- you appreciate every one of those 20 and 30 members has the right to go to the floor and offer a motion to vacate, which ended kevin mccarthy's speakership. so, that's the dynamic that in, my mind, takes three quarters of the house, which is totally

ready to do a ukraine deal an immigration deal, and to get neither. >> congressman, it's symone sanders-townsend. thank you for being with us today. it is being reported that in wednesday's meeting at the white house, jake sullivan, presidents national security adviser, and haines, the dni of, the top dni director, that they gave you all a classified briefing that talked about the dangers for ukraine if ukraine is in fact not funded. what it means for the militarily, and detailed and assessment of the current dynamics on the battlefield. was that assessment, i, mean when i got knocked out that the, tells but the assessment that you got from the presidents advisors, did it happen effect on your republican colleagues? what was the tone and tenor in the room? mike johnson and a number of other republicans, in the days since that meeting, have not sounded like they are really ready to strike a deal.

>> well, symone, yes. the president, jake sullivan, the director of national intelligence walk through the inventories that i can't do on tv. walk through the inventories of the remaining weapons that the ukrainians hadn't told us exactly when those inventories would be gone. and you know, you don't need to have classified information to know that even with our full assistance, the ukrainians know they have mounted a heroic efforts. they're having trouble against the russian military, but what's on top of that, symone, is the fact that everybody understands this. if the world sees the united states walk away when you have murderous dictator vladimir putin committing war crimes in a neighboring country, and bringing an illegal invasion of that country, who else sees that? president xi's east. that the -- in iran sees that. north korea sees that. every republican understands, and we all understand this, because we're in politics. your average american sitting at that table right now with a

cup of coffee may not really worry too much about what exactly the russian line is in ukraine. but when it comes down to it, whether we're going to send troops to defend taiwan or to stop hezbollah invasion in israel, or to stop some crazy activity by north korea, history shows that when we stand down from our role in the world, bad, bad things happen that eventually result in americans dying. >> i want to go back, congressman, to the 20 or 30 gop members in the house who are taking a hard line on immigration, being specific about what it is to talking about. they're talking about hr to. it ends parole authority, which is an authority that presidents have long had in times of crisis to decide who is allowed in an expedited manner to come into the united states. it builds the wall, as you said, mandatory and -- and societal i'm. so, that is where they're drawing their line. the contours of what we are seeing out of the senate negotiation, it's also alarming a number of advocates, both because of the pullback on parole authority, and also

because of the ways in which it expands expulsion authorities. , now if you believe immigration is in good hands with joe biden, there is still an open question of whether or not should donald trump come to a second term, you want him to have that expanded authority. i wonder, as you look at the contours of the senate negotiations, if you do have your own concerns and reservations about the deal they are putting together. >> well, let me answer that question for you by telling you what mitch mcconnell said in that white house meeting. mitch mcconnell looked at the speaker of the house and said look, it's not my job to advice speakers on how to get things done in the house, but he said if the republicans had the white house, let's assume donald trump wins, and the senate, and the house, and that's a pretty big assumption, in the next go around, he, said you will not get a deal this good, because you need 60 votes in the senate. so, what he was saying, and you, right h.r.2, look, it's the right wing fever dream. i don't blame them for putting their fever dream forward, because that's what you do in

the legislative process. that's not the problem. the problem is that the people who support it, 20, 30, 40 republicans, believe any deviation -- we know they're saying is if mike johnson gives on this, running his speakership. what we're seeing potentially, with all the international applications that has, a historic operation to get border guilt on wasted, just because of this ability of the

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congressman jim himes of connecticut is back with us. congresswoman, you know regularly, folks talk about how the biden administration, the agenda, is not breaking through, but you have this from the washington post recently that knows economic vibes are nay improving, and consumer sentiment surges. and consumer sentiment is a window into the nation's financial mood. it is 30% in january to a tireless level since mid 2021, reflecting optimism that inflation is easing and incomes are rising. i often say data is not the thing that is going to move people and make them want to go vote, but when i thought the president effectively in north carolina this week was talk specifically about what high-speed internet meant for folks in tarheel north carolina, who only had dial up trial through this money coming in, and, that with a fiber optic cables, they can get online. are these the kinds of things that democrats are going to go around the country talking about over the course of the next few months? every single member of the

house of representatives is up for reelection, so it's not just the president on the ballot. it's you all as well. >> yeah. of course we are, simone. i'll say two things about that. of course we are, because every election is about a choice and that contrast, right? what we can do is we can go out and say let's look at the last congress, where we have the democrats at the house, the senate, the presidency. what happens? we got 35-dollar cap insulin done for the american people. we got the biggest investment in infrastructure done for the american people, bipartisan. we got that pact act, addressed veterans issues who have been just a toxic, i could go, on? right you've got a long list of policy accomplishments, then, we say, what happened on the republicans took over the house? , well, they took 15 votes to get the speaker. they then fired that speaker, and well, that's it. i think that's compelling, symone, but you use exactly the right word. the other thing it impacts and election is vibes, and what i mean by that is a lot of this stuff i justid, bipartisan infrastructure law, to most americans, the average american,

it may be a little abstract, right? wait a minute, i don't buy insulin and the ridge down the street isn't being rebuilt. what really matters and what no president really controls, of, course is the price of gasoline. which is down. it's consumer confidence. that's a reflection of those vibes, right? and so, nobody really controls those things, but as you point out, those early days, a lot of those numbers, remember, the republicans were using those numbers to beat us up a while ago, inflation, unemployment. it's pretty solid. gas prices are down. so, there may be a little bit of a tailwind developing there for the precedents. >> congressman, i like to pick up on that point, because i do appreciate where you're coming from, and i appreciate where democrats are coming from, but the counter narrative that is out there on the streets and i can assure you, will be elevated even more so, it's, yeah you've done all this stuff, but you've spent a lot of money. you've created a lot of debt. that's the narrative, right? what's the plan to sort of counter you know, counter

propose the idea that yeah, look what we spent the money on. we didn't give it to millionaires and billionaires, we gave it to moms and that. is that the thinking around the republican counter argument that yeah, you spent a lot of money that future generations are going to have to pay for? >> oh, yeah. we will absolutely hear that. i know that michael, because we hear republicans attack the democrats on debt whenever there is a democratic president in office. now, when there's a republican president in office, like donald trump, who massively expanded the united states debts, or george w. bush, who you will recall, also massively expanded, it's funny. in those moments, we don't hear a single word about the debt or the deficit. , now that's a political fact, but you know, let me do my due to hear and say the death and the deficit are a serious issue. i hear people over and over again say it's unsustainable, but you don't need to worry

about it now. you know? at the definition of unsustainable is you do need to worry about it someday. the way iis issue is i tell people look, we've got to address this issue. anyone who says that debt is not a problem is not being honest with you, and here's the thing. pressing, it is really hard, because you know and as everybody else on this show knows, where do we spend the money? we spend the money on medicare. we spend the money on social security. we spend the money on defense. everything else is actually a small minority of the federal budget. now, if you want to go into a november election saying yeah, i really care about this, so, we're going to cut social security, medicare, and -- the result of the election is going to be. so, mike, yes of course they're going to do it. but the way to counter it is to say it is a serious issue. don't let anybody tell you it is a purely democratic issue, and in fact, that puts that intention. >> yeah, we appreciate you, congressman tim himes of connecticut. thank you very much.

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