but people should know that it is likely that there will be a trial before the election, and it is likely that he will be convicted and sentenced before the election. he will not serve jail time, or other penalties before the election. because after the, trial he hat is going to appeal, and those appeals will go on for quite a long time. so anybody who wants to see donald trump in pinstripes is going to have to wait, probably a couple of years. >> well we know you will be in the courtroom, beginning march 14th, in the middle of a political season. and you have given us this, march fourth rather. and you have given us this very hopeful primer for the trial. thank you so much, jonathan alter, nice to see you today, have a great rest of your weekend. and that's going to do it for me this hour. i am christine romans, nice to see you. alex is back tomorrow at one pm eastern. up next, the meat weekend. ext, the meat weekend.

♪ ♪ ♪ welcome to the beach weekend. i'm ari melber. let's get right into the headlines. >> in the political world, is adjusting swiftly to the republican results out of iowa, which showed trump in the league. as we were covering that night with rachel. but half of that red electorate open to alternatives. the top two alternatives, which are two individuals separated by just under 3000 votes in iowa, are squaring off, there are high stakes in new hampshire. this is the more moderate, independent state that could favor haley. it's voters also will look more like the november electorate than the nominee, whoever the republicans ultimately pick, will have to face. new tonight, desantis is not campaigning in new hampshire right now, having given up on the moderate-leaning states, giving the quote, abysmal poll numbers for the new york times. and while it is january, we must remember the rest of the last political parts of the nation are probably a little

bit exhaust at the thought of turning back to campaigns, and more focused on things like we promised we would show you, christmas trees eventually coming down, and they are not so obsessed with new hampshire. but this is a state which does know the drill. it has a tradition of vetting candidates for warring grassroots campaigns, independent leaders. and it has all three often turned to embrace candidates who even underperformed in iowa. that race, which comes before the first actual primary. >> welcome to our 115th town hall meeting here in new hampshire. [laughter] [applause] and i think, i think we finally have a poll without a margin of error. >> new hampshire, tonight has made bill clinton the comeback candidate. [applause] >> new hampshire, i want to thank you. we love you, we're going to be back a lot. >> just a stunning and overwhelming landslide for mr. -- >> i love new hampshire. [applause]

>> i am not prepared at this moment, at least to claim the position of front runner. but i know one thing, tonight in new hampshire, we buried the label dark horse. [applause] >> but tonight, we sure showed them what a comeback looks like. [applause] >> you can hear the theme there. it's a kind of reverse ll cool j. the long shots who triumph in new hampshire to call it a come back, and they want everyone to know they came back. clinton famously dining out and that come back -- and even though if you check, he actually finished second in the state, but he beat his so-called expectations. and while there is already headlines and talk of crowning trump the nominee after a single state voted, that's part of the beltway punditry that i have warn you about, elites trying to speak for you, for voters, to short-circuit the cross the process instead of just chilling out and listening, and letting democracy play out. if we all care so much about

democracy, then maybe the beltway pundits should act like it, and listen. because the truth is more complicated, as it is so often the case. right now, there are signs and evidence that donald trump's odds are higher than the electric of candidates. but there is no certainty. after one state has voted. in fact, if you remember just about four years ago, there were headlines about this candidate named joe biden, and the blistering losses he faced in new hampshire, and iowa. >> there were reports that noted that then candidate joe biden was long gone from any front runner status. there was a report that he didn't even meet the threshold to collect a single delegate in new hampshire. cnn reporting that his nomination victory now, quote, seems elusive. elusive, meaning something that eludes, you that will not happen. that was just four years ago. they were wrong, biden went on after that terrible finish in those early states to get the nomination. and then as you may have heard,

the presidency. now, campaign veterans who follow this stuff actually know the key is to listen to these voters, especially in the early states. >> with the iowa caucus is now a distant memory, the six remaining contenders will hear from the voters in new hampshire. >> and of course it would be very important for them to try to win this primary in new hampshire. >> new hampshire has a certain character, partially i like that, and -- the word flinty. >>. yeah, just as biden showed you could lose new hampshire badly, and still go on to win the nomination. donald trump did use that state, that is coming next week, to rebound from his 2016 iowa loss, which was how this whole campaign started. this cycle, though donald trump's problem, in more independent areas, is how he keeps losing suburban voters. >> suburban women, would you please like me? >> joe biden, what's wrong with suburban women going into this. perhaps it was even a bit stronger. >> joe biden more than doubled

that. he has poised a lot more votes out of a densely populated suburban county. >> those suburban votes were key to putting joe biden on the top in the electoral college. >> you can see it was really the philadelphia suburbs that helped to make the difference for joe biden. >> say what you will about the suburbs. if you watch movies like american beauty, and people say it is where hope kind of dissipates, or there's too much traffic, or there's too many strip malls, or maybe you love the quiet in the peacefulness of it. but politically, the suburbs did then president trump in, they made him the loser of that election. and that suburban problem continues, which is a new other reason why if you put the beltway punditry aside, these contests are so closely watched, because you are getting new realtime information about what voters are doing. james carville was just reminding us how these off year races go -- . and then democrats who ended up winning all of those since the high court overturned roe, including in conservative areas. and this week, it shows a different version of that. the gop primary, find the iowa

suburbs absolutely recoiling from trump. 70% of those republicans who live in those areas, flocking to other candidates, over 60%, i should say. a striking weakness, that includes suburbs where trump received less than a quarter of the gop vote. politico notes. and obviously, we will still have to wait and see how trump does in these many states. but if haley does come out here and manage her upset in new hampshire, to rebalance not only expectations but how the rest of the party looks at a race that may not be over, well she would be potentially in good political company. >> new hampshire tonight. >> new hampshire, i want to thank you. >> has made bill clinton the comeback kid. [applause] >> we love, you were going to be back a lot. >> it ain't over man, we're just getting started. [applause] >> but tonight, we sure showed them what a comeback looks like. [applause] >> the point there is not

simple, not everyone you saw on your screen one new hampshire. you heard joe biden, then candidate, saying it ain't over man, it is far from over, even as he got zero delegates in the state. so if there is a lesson in here, it's not that we know it will happen, it's that we know -- imagine that, and new hampshire still has something to say. and we go out there with two experts who know the state and the process very well, when we are back. we are back dayquil honey, the honey-licious, daytime, coughing, aching, stuffy head, fever, power through your day, medicine.

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know this process so well, as we are in new hampshire. jean -- robinson of the washington post, and our friend very good to see you, christopher gallery, professor of new hampshire institute of politics at saint and some college. welcome to both of you. jeanne, a little bit of humility could service all well. it is early, trump had a good night in iowa, but not all of the voters have spoken yet. what do you think we know and have learned from the past? sometimes rocky roads of these early states. >> yeah, what we've learned is

that we, and the collective pundit top russi, we are really lousy at predicting who could win iowa and who could win new hampshire. and every week we get surprised regularly. and so, i think we should expect some surprises. i wonder about the wisdom of ron desantis, basically giving up on new hampshire. . you know, maybe his campaign was saved by iowa, he finished second. maybe a decent showing there would give him some standing to try to contest in nevada and south carolina. but, we will see. i mean, we really don't know. maybe nikki haley would actually beat donald trump in new hampshire. i kind of doubt it, but those, as chris matthews said, those flinty new hampshire rights to have a way of going against our conventional wisdom, and

embarrassing. us >> christopher? >> yeah, i tend to agree. i think the one thing we learned this week is that while trump was able to win in iowa, he did that in a fairly low turnout caucus process. and that to me suggests that there are republicans who are not one hunted percent sold on the idea of a trump nomination or a second trump presidency. i think the other thing that has happened is with desantis pulling out, he has essentially given haley what she said she wanted, which is a one-on-one contest with trump. so we will see what happens when you get what you wish for. >> yeah, well let's take that to some sound. jeanne, rachel maddow mentioned the other night we didn't take the trump remarks -- and that's for journalistic reasons, the lying ratio is simply too high to take a live. it does not mean that on this news channel, or on this program, that he will be artificially disappeared more than anyone else. it just means we are taking these extra screening process. so he makes an argument here that i am going to play, which is interesting because it is

relatively accurate, he has his take on it. but he is referring to the open primary, and the fact that there is a different type of electorate that may show up for hailie next. let's take a listen. >> nikki haley, in particular. she is counting on the democrats and liberals to infiltrate your republican primary. you know that, that's what's happening. you have a group of people coming in that are not republicans, and it's artificially boosting her numbers here, although we are still leading her by a law. >> jeanne, in that admission or statement he makes, he is also looking ahead for why a lot of people in the republican party, if you screen on all of the trauma of the last six years, a lot of people think that if haley could get through this primary, for what reasons he just said she would make a stronger political opponent, with a larger coalition against president biden. >> yeah well, look there are a lot of people who think that. and look at, you know i think

nikki haley could do very well in new hampshire. i don't think it will be due to democrats who cross over to sabotage trump. that sort of thing never really works out. it gets talked about before hand, and then in the and you look at the numbers, and we have some polls, and it kind of fizzles. it would be disaffected republicans, or exhausted republicans, who simply don't want more of four more years of donald trump's chaos, and don't think he is the best candidate to take on joe biden. >> yet christopher, i want to play the person who is the actual runner-up, who won many states in the republican party in 16, senator cruz. and i am not the first to kind of have this thought, that sometimes he is inconsistent or hypocritical. but he is doing the exact thing he railed against when he was a candidate in 16, which is having endorsement outsiders in

washington d.c. trying to up and what i referred to before, which is a democratic process. we've talked a lot about democracy in all kinds of ways the last couple years. and one of the ways is to make sure we listen to these voters. i don't care what party than, they are get their time i believe, i think that's important. cruz has flip-flopped on that, and has said that this thing should be over after one shot, jada, jada. take a listen christopher. >> i believe this race is over, so i am proud to endorse donald trump for president of the united states. i look forward to support him enthusiastically, because i think it is time for the republican party to unite, for us to come together. >> christopher, your thoughts on that shift, and how does that play out in new hampshire? >> well i don't think ted cruz is necessarily going to make a ton of votes here in new hampshire. this is a state where the republican party, it is not moderate, but it is not that concerned with social issues. it is more interest in low taxes and low regulation, and i

think that is part of the reason that trump has struggled here. so much of his appeal is about grievance politics, about cultural politics, and there are an awful lot of folks here who identify as we publicans, they vote republican, but they vote for republicans who will lower their taxes, not the ones who are going to go to war over cultural issues. >> and jean, final question to you here in this segment, as we look forward. do you see any sort of battle of ideas here? it's been pointed out that on the one hand, half of the iowa republican party was looking elsewhere, or at least was open to alternatives. and we emphasized that in some of our coverage. on the flip side, there are conservatives and others who emphasize yes, but haley and desantis have largely tried to offer maga trump-ism without trump drama, rather than say a big shift on policy. do you, where do you come down on that? and is the broader electorate being ill served by a kind of

idealists primary? >> well, yeah look, haley and desantis have tried to offer policy positions and ideas, that trying to figure out which ideas in which voters might want to hear about them. but sure, they have done it. and of course, trump has only offered himself and his grievances, and his anger, and his entertainment factor, and all of the things that go into donald trump. and so, it's not entirely i do you list, it's just an open question as to whether those ideas are cutting through the noise. and whether indeed it eventually does come down to whether or not you are, to nominate donald trump. i mean, it -- and that may be a winning strategy in the republican party, in the end, and a losing

strategy in the general election, in the end. but we will see. >> yeah jeanne, so good to see you again. it >> was great to see you already. >> next time in person. >> next time in person, i believe in that. you know the pandemic is over, stay safe everyone. jeanne, christopher, thanks. meanwhile, president biden, we heard about bidenomics earlier tonight from a conservative critic. president biden has the words for price gouged in our corporate mix. an important story you may not have heard, stay with us. stay with us even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. you always got your mind on the green. not you. you! your business bank account with quickbooks money now earns 5% apy. (♪♪)

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dropping, but there is a hangover, and some of it may hang at the feet of the decisions by very wealthy corporate leaders. 31% of voters, meanwhile, say they approve of biden's handling of the economy. so as we go into this election year, it is a big political matter as well. the high cost of goods is a big part of all of this, so that matters for politics, that's what the whi hse is thinking about on many levels. but it also matters to your pocketbooks. ceos have been quite candid about how they are exploiting the environment to drive high prices. >> we were certainly benefiting from a high price contribution. >> this quarter was our third sequential quarter of volume growth, and we saw -- >> the team has done a marvelous job in driving price. >> getting smart about how we look at pricing. >> we are not leaving any pricing on the table. we want to take as much as we. can >> take as much as we possibly can. sometimes using inflation as an excuse to gouge, that's the big question. we have a very special expert, who has reported extensively on

exactly those earnings calls that we just threw on. those are public by the, way that's what we are saying at least in the department of financial -- lindsay owens is the executive director -- of welcome. >> yet, thanks for having me airy. >> thanks for joining me, there's a lot going on, a lot of politics. i'm hoping we can do this with as little mat as possible. that is my personal belief. but for folks who know about high prices, and are hearing about price gouging, is it happening, and how can you tell? >> yeah, so when inflation started kicking up, what we saw over and over again, if you listen in on the earnings calls -- and we looked at the macroeconomic data, is that companies were passing along their -- prices, and they were going for more. so their costs were up $2, and you paid three. that was a recipe for record corporate profits, and a lot of -- for families at the checkout line. >> so let me just jump in on that point, just to go piece by piece. when we hear that then, is that business as usual?

this is capitalism, drive the highest price you can. or is there basically something wrong with that? >> no, i think this is -- look, they were making a healthy profit before inflation. so what this is that they were taking a profit they were making before inflation hit, they were passing along any rising costs on their end. and given the inflationary environment, with expecting to pay a little bit more, they want a little bit further still. and so they took the profit margins they were experiencing before the pandemic, before these supply chain issues start to cause inflation, and they expand upon that. >> yeah, and it seems part of the problem. we talk about the political side, whether there is a hard law of regulation, et cetera. but there's also the broader side of what companies can get away, with especially consumer facing companies. and you are saying that they are hiding, or even being deceitful, in this environment. to do things that they would otherwise do or get away with. and i want to look at an example from across the pond here. a french retailer dropped pepsi

products out over the high prices, noting they were unacceptably high for consumers, and this was a showdown between french retailers to shame brands that aren't backing off of the practices that you just described, even as inflation eases. what do you think of that model, that approach that they are doing in europe? >> well the europeans are making a really important point, which is that a lot of these companies have seen their costs come down now. so remember, when they are costs were up to, they were charging you three. now, they are costs are actually down. and while they were quick to pass along their -- costs, they haven't been so quick to passed along their savings. and so you are still paying that extra $3. and so, with the u.p. and brochures said to buyers is hey, bring your prices down or you are out, we are not going to carry your goods. so we can't do that in the u.s. context exactly. grocers in europe negotiate prices with suppliers on an annual basis, we don't do that here in the u.s.. but we do have other policy

levers that we can use to try to get at this profiteering. one option that is on the table, really it's tax cuts. these companies should be paying a higher tax rate, when they are bringing in profits. and next year, many of the trump tax cuts expire, and i would hope that congress would take this on, and really try to remedy some of the excess profiteering we have seen, the exploitation we have seen over this period. >> would you see that being triggered simply by the profit margin? or specifically these practices? >> i think both. i think taxes are a great way to get at access profits. you know, look, your incentive to profit here is a little bit less when you are shipping yearnings back to the treasury department. >> senator casey, who i know you know about, has a recent report -- last year, talking about -- and the diaper costs. products fell by $75. instead of passing any of these

savings to consumers, you just mentioned that this happened, they just paint 168 million of what they call operating profits. is there something besides taxes that you think should be done. and when the biden white house says this is bad, that the president using the bully pulpit, but is that the maximum, is there anything more they could do? >> yeah, diapers are a really good example. look, there's only really two games in town on diapers. you've got procter & gamble, and kimberly-clark, and they really have the lack of a bigger market. and what you're seeing is actually the price of -- the input that goes into the diaper, has come down considerably. the diaper prices still remain high. and in this case, i would actually encourage the federal trade commission to take a look at whether or not they are anti competitive practices in play. we have seen in the earnings call that both proctor and gamble and kimberly-clark are keeping their prices high, and they're able to do so because the other one is under cutting. them and so i think in cases where we have really concentrated markets like in the diaper market, we should

take a look at -- . you know the biden administration has done a lot on this front, just yesterday we saw that the merger of spirit and -- was. and airlines have been -- a big recipient of -- profiteering. and so i think there's a lot to do on the antitrust front as well. >> that's a great point, you mentioned this week again, it might have been crowded up by some of the political news, but those actions matter. on a lighter note to end, do you have any friends in the corporate boardrooms, hedge funds, finance, do they resent you at dinner parties for going blowing the whistle on all of this? already just avoid them at all cost? >> yeah, these are not rooms i spent a lot of time in, personally, it's not really my scene. but i will say, we did sort of wonder if some of the candor that we saw in these earnings calls would subside, as -- >> yeah they did. >> and you know, some of it did, but at the end of the day, the

guys really are having a hard time not bragging when they are about to hit a record breaking quarter. and here we are again with company after company, charging profits. about the consumers, and really exploiting this inflationary environment to go for broke for their shareholders. >> yeah, no i was curious, it's only half joking when i said a nighter letter blow. -- when you -- could affect, and you are using facts in your own accounting of where the money and profits are coming from. we've talked a lot in both the economic and political context about the mood, the vibe in the country, certainly -- aren't fair enough, in the work of you in your organization i think speaks to the reality of the facts. so lindsay, owns thanks again for joining us. keeping our eye on the first votes of 2024, with a special look at what else we can learn about the stakes for democracy and stopping coups in our midst. that's after the break. after the break but don't forget this season's updated covid-19 shot too.

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before the caucus, and a challenging primary. we have lots of people, a lot of uncertainty, a lot of sarah's. it is a nasty season for the republicans. and i think that is one of the reasons for voters everywhere looking at this uneasily. and there we are, there we were, and here, we go. if you recognize the face, that is john -- all the way back in 96 looking at the republican primary. and he has become a very thoughtful voice on so much of what we face right now. do you know that the vast majority of americans think we are unusually divided right now. the republicans and democrats now tend to argue that the other side is more and moral than other americans. -- says that donald trump is a big part of why things are unusually bad. not want to share with you brand new -- first time on the week night on the beat, something he just told us. >> i think this is a human and

a moral question, as much as a legal and political one. and all four of those things of course are entwined. the question is, is our democracy mature enough to allow for this, to process this, and to come out the other end in a full, free, and fair election, making a choice that will support and preserve the constitution? which for all of its imperfections, has in fact created a more perfect union. it is still a country, still a constitution that people have very very strongly held opposing views believe in. finally, voters in a presidential race, for the first time since the insurrection, will vote for a presidential candidate. and i think that the central question for american democracy, at this hour, is are you

willing to vote for someone, with whom you may differ on policy. but in who's fealty to the constitution you do not doubt? or, do you vote for someone who has demonstrated, again and again, that he will put himself above everything else? >> meacham and i just discussed that, and how trump is turning the levers of democracy against itself. >> when you say demonstrated, as you know, you are an acclaimed author, and choose your words carefully. he has demonstrated it, which means that the evidence and the material that we are drawing on is not from criticism or opinion, it is the actual acts and deeds, i'll ms. sondland i'm oversimplifying it, because i mean that, because there are people who today -- it is always been a partisan press, as long as there is a press. and there is always been conspiracy theories and rumor monger-ing, sure. but people today sometimes have drawn from information sources

where they really do get confused. indeed, there are people who stormed the capitol who later said they were really confused. and part of their issue was the propaganda. i want to play for your reaction something we put together, that shows a little bit of the contrast between what trump is pitching people, which again you don't have to watch, it but for those who do, if you watch the fox town hall, it was a kinder, gentler, lying minimization of the actual demonstrated record you referenced. take a look at. this >> i'm not gonna have time for retribution. >> i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody, and i wouldn't lose any voters, okay. >> and remember this, our ultimate retribution's success. >> i like to punch him in the face, i'll tell you. >> no no, i am not going to be a dictator. >> we will treat those people from january 6th there lay. we will treat them fairly. and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. >> so can you say tonight that

political violence is never acceptable? >> well of course that's right. >> knock the crap all of them, would you, seriously. >> john, how much of a question, as you posed at this coming year, also will turn on what people believe to be true? >> right. and you know, he went on in that answer, and immediately shifted the point to the unfolding wars in the middle east, and in ukraine, as if that is what political violence is. it is warfare, what i think the host was asking there is about domestic political violence, in pursuit of a particular agenda, instead of the constitutionally sanctioned arena where we debate our differences peacefully, but passionately. and we reach a given solution for a given period of time. and if you disagree, people organize, you campaign, you use the franchise in order to have

a different result. and what political violence is about is undermining that, it's replacing the rule of law with the rule of the merely strong. >> the other thing i would say about the question about news sources and all of that. i don't think a lot of people are confused. i just personally think they are wrong. and they probably think i am both, so it is totally fair. and one of the things i hope we can discuss, and maybe come to in the next nine or ten months or so, is replacing reflexive partisanship, my team, right or wrong, with reflective partisanship. partisanship is fine, we have been partisan you. no jefferson said people have divided themselves into parties since rome. that's okay, and in fact the constitution wouldn't work

without them as it turns out. >> but only voting because of a partisan label is in fact, i believe, undermining of the spirit of the constitution, the spirit of the declaration of independence. and i am lucky, i have particular passions about particular policy issues. i believe that but, i do believe that this experiment needs to go on. and, i just worry, and i hope i am wrong, but i don't think i am given the evidence of the last what, almost ten years now, and that a reelected trump would not only damage that experiment, but he darn well might end it. and i don't say that casually, i don't say that as a reflexive msnbc thing. it's just, if you add up the facts, if you look at what we know, it is not an unreasonable

worry. so why take the risk? >> why take the risk? think about that, and think about our founding documents and what is at stake. that is what the historian -- coming up, you are not going to believe we have. to rock stars, one of them steve kornacki, next. steve kornacki, next my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn.

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who's here -- the iconic rock and roll musician, focus and the front band of the van bush. not sure if you remember, that was the 90s -- simpson success over the decades with bush, and as a solo artist, with many hits songs. take a look. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i'm feeling a little inspired, but also a little bit relaxed. >> good. >> that's fun. bush's greatest hits album, loaded, with an actual brand-new single, some of the best and some of the new, is out. and the man has a greatest hits tore, tickets are on sale. the tour is this summer. >> that's right. >> yeah now, we might say -- we might say that would be

enough, it is enough. and yet, msnbc's rock star is here, our election guru and hero on msnbc, you may also see him on nbc known for the math, the big math, the big board, and of course the khakis. >> 420,000 votes, still to come out of maricopa county. >> the vikings and the packers, they stand to lose, the door is wide open for all of these teams. the -- probably not surprise to anyone, it is the greyhound. >> the undisputed sexiest man alive. yes, steve made the list of people's sexiest. >> by the way in terms of kornacki, -- >> they've gotta get an emmy, -- how you guys doing? >> doing well. >> doing great, thank you. >> great to have you. i don't have all of our viewers know how many different numbers you do. because we just saw like three different sports. >> yeah the dog show, which i learned a lot about dogs prepping for that. what's the most important numbers? >> it really, it obviously is judged, so it depends what the

judge puts the most value on, i think. >> oh, so it's each judge writing it. >> yeah well each judge prioritizes different data points about the dog. >> so where you come? and >> so i like speed, i like speed. and with the doberman, i think it was 45, and the beagle can go nine, something like that. >> well. so >> i don't know anything about dogs before they brought me into that, and it was a world that is vast, and there is a lot more to it than i was able to guess. >> well and, that's like something's when you zoom in. what we are thrilled to have our to rock stars here. shout out to you from james carville, he said that last night -- and what we are looking at the whole world, what is on your fallback list? >> i say the electric vehicle fleet from -- did this week start to get rid of that. and so i'm congratulating them, i am telling the electric vehicle fleet to fall back. this is not a statement against electric vehicles, if you own one and you've got to hook up at your house, you can charge

it every night, it makes perfect sense. but i had a terrible, terrible experience with hurts in renting an electric vehicle this summer. >> what happened? >> i was trying to go to a family event that i look for to every, year and i got in my car from hurts is a busy weekend, so i was lucky to get one. they didn't tell me was electric, until i got there, and i got the electric, and i thought okay oh do the electric vehicle, it turns out to find a place to charge an electric vehicle, it is extremely difficult. and i would say 90% of the places to charge it where these charges where you can get 10% in our. so you get about two of the 40 -- and trying to drive from new york to the middle of maine. you get 240 miles basically with the charge, and when you finally find a place to stop, you've got to stop for about nine hours to actually get the thing charged. so it was, it nearly ruined the vacation. and i just decided these make sense as a commuter vehicle. if you got a place to charge him at night, they do not make sense as a long distance. -- >> we're in the rental market,

which is a niche. and it's funny because we are dealing with so much serious stuff, gavin. but fallback is a time where steve kornacki can just unlined. >> just take a. break >> and let you know about -- >> with a next vacation. >> and i'm with you, because another week, i did bodcaw fee, which we should fall back on, the little pods. and i got pushback -- i was like i don't like, and they said well that's not good enough? no, it is. >> i'm with you on that. >> what's on your list? >> my list, oh my god of things that annoy. me >> should fall back. >> anything that you could fall back, because it's what everyone to go with. >> i really think that, i don't need to bring you down, but i don't think -- it's touching but it's like the division, the division that i find, forced this whole culture it's all about divisions. and the fallback should be finding a way to be, more unity. i mean obviously with election time, this makes no sense politically. but i get that, all the time the best thing about doing

music is the way we bring people together. and i think it was so forced on to choose one or other. to go through it, and life is so much more nuanced than that. >> i love that. >> so that's what i would. think >> let's build on that, when you look at the interesting life you had. because when you have a concert right, you're not sorting it by how you voted, this or that, or your age. >> i'm very careful not to. >> yeah, we love concerts and live music on the beat. one of my favorite things his, i don't know if you agree or not, but i think at least in the united states, other than houses of worship, concerts are the one place where you see the widest age of diversity. i could go to, i went to a george clinton in central park, and i'll tell you, it was literally children with their parents, all the way out to 80s, seniors. i mean you don't see, just to pick one type of diversity, rather than what we see sometimes, and it's politics media and everything, dividing everybody. up >> yeah, it's a shame. >> really interesting, i love

this conversation, to glad to have you both here. rock stars kornacki -- thank you so much. >> and what we talk about jack smith, of course he only came about because merrick garland appointed him. how did that case start so slowly and get fast? we will get into that with the reference and nicole wallace and taylor swift next. taylor swift next. like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr-cm a rare, underdiagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you? call your cardiologist and ask about attr-cm. ma, ma, ma— ( clears throat ) for fast sore throat relief, try vicks vapocool drops. with two times more menthol per drop, and powerful vicks vapors to vaporize sore throat pain. vicks vapocool drops. vaporize sore throat pain.

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right, now i want to mention there are breakthroughs in music streaming and more people hear new music than ever before. artists like taylor swift and cisa who are leading in grammy nominations for the grammys in a couple weeks. they can reach literally billions of people without anyone having to buy a city, let alone a vinyl record. so right now, we are living through this cultural shift, i've talked about it sometimes where music connects with more people now than ever before. now, a little while back the great nicole wallace and i were actually discussing how the doj resisted and delayed opening a

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