>> welcome back to the weekend, everyone. as the donald trump marches on

with his attempt to win the nomination, the courts say his name belongs on the ballot. secretary of state asked the states highest court to review her decision to remove trump from the republican ballot. the same judge already paused her decision until the u.s. supreme court rules on a case out of colorado. joining the conversation is marc elias, founder of the democracy docket, he's also a partner. thank you for joining us and person. you have argued in front of the supreme court more than most people i now, except for neil -- >> i have had my few. i have won all of them. >> look, we're not going to step on the screen, but thursday, trump's team, there was illegal bridge out of the supreme court. his lawyers wrote about this disqualification effort. quote, they threatened to disenfranchise americans who promised to unleash chaos if other supreme court follow

colorado's lead. what do you make of this legal argument? what do you think the supreme court is gonna do? >> i think that legal argument is fundamentally dangerous. let me tell you why. it is one thing to make a legal arguments before the supreme court. he didn't take the oath that is specified and the 14th amendment, he wasn't an officer of the united states. it didn't qualify as an insurrection. i think all of those are wrong. those are at least legal arguments based on the text. these pseudo-legal arguments are becoming fashionable. it is not just made by donald trump. it is made by people who are across the spectrum. somehow, following the constitution, would have the side political impacts. it would undermine confidence and the courts. it would be anti-democratic. they are really dangerous. it is really dangerous to say that we should ignore the constitution because we're going to give donald trump a

veto, because his supporters might be prone to more violence. so i don't make much of them as legal arguments. i think they're dangerous. what the supreme court will do, it will have to wait and see. >> i want to pick up on that. it is important for me. what was the purpose of the 14th amendment? why write it if you are going to be cowed by the political reaction to its application? so a lot of people sort of relate back to bush v. gore and all of that. my view of that is misunderstanding, or what the constitutional process dictates. there is a clock and the constitution about what you have to do, when you have to do it. you have this document that everyone wants to hold up. yes, we love and follow the constitution. but they start applying the specifics to a case and controversy. everyone wants to back away because the politics seems to drive the narrative. how do you see the court dealing with that?

justice roberts wants to steer clear of the politics. there are a lot of folks who believe that because of the political elements of those, and some on the court, the lean into it. how do you see this looking at these cases that are coming before in terms of giving donald trump the immunity that he seeks, et cetera? >> the way the court should steer the politics is by ignoring the politics. let's be honest, we would never have applied the section three and the 14th amendment after the civil war if we're worried about public opinion and the defeated confederacy. we never would have had a ruling and brown versus board of education if we worried about what the public reaction would be. we would never advance justice and civil rights if any area if there was a veto given to people who might support violence in opposition to it. the best thing for the court to do, as it did in those cases, is to ignore the politics.

will they? we all have seen the court for what it is. there have been moments, and my law firm was involved and litigated the alabama case, the second opportunity last term. in the moore v. harper case. that's the were -- i don't have no hope, but i think we have to be clear on. one thing we can do, is make sure that people on our side, on our side of this issue, make sure that people in the sensible middle and left don't buy into these pseudo-legal arguments. kind of give cover to the idea that donald trump might incite another riot if he gets, if the constitution is followed. >> i'm not going to make you listen to what donald trump said on the stump in manchester, new hampshire. he is on his roof about the value of presidential immunity and necessity for presidential immunity. he says, otherwise, you're going to have presidents who are impotent.

i've had enough that have already. we've had enough of them already. and then this part, i hope the supreme court will have the courage to do that. he is doing what he does, which is trying to send a signal. he is sending an expectation with his base of what a second term looks like. >> that is exactly right. he wants to be a kid. george washington university. george washington could have been akin but he stepped down. he set a principle for the peaceful transfer of power. we have had peaceful transfer of power through good times and bad. through the civil war, we had abraham lincoln stood form election. here we are, here in 2024, with the republican nominee threatening, again, to inspire violence. to instigate a disregard for the law of the constitution. what he wants is absolute immunity and a second term, to

do whatever he wants. to not be able to be held accountable. >> do you think that perhaps persuaded a little too long. it strikes me that we are having this conversation about january 6th, donald trump, the election, about a 2020 election on the cusp of another election coming to 2024. we are only having that because of the work in january six committee. what they put out into the ethos, the atmosphere, frankly. the justice department that others picked up, and then you have these cases. there are americans who say that it wasn't so bad, why wasn't donald trump charged right after? do you worry that the time that has elapsed is going to allow the courts, legal system, a jury, even, potentially, to let donald trump off the hook? >> i think that i'm not going to second guess the timing up the criminal cases. that is up to the prosecutors. the department of justice. i will say this. i think that president biden has been exemplary and raising this issue over and over again.

you know, from your time in the white house, this is something he has given multiple addresses about. i do think there has been a failure more widely and society. to take the lessons of january six to heart. we were, we took the lessons in other historical attacks on america, we took them seriously. we made serious reforms. it feels like we have been too quick to say, oh, january six, that was just some over excited passions that took over. donald trump is a clear and present danger to democracy. he wants to undo it. he wants to be an authoritarian ruler. he just complemented viktor orban. >> which he does regularly. >> this is what he wants. it is time for everyone out there to wake up to this. to realize that whatever issue you may care about, whatever else may be stirring your passions today, or maybe on

your agenda if we do not have a functioning democracy, we will not achieve any of those things. everyone needs to join and the fac to protect democracy as their first and most important issue. >> the priorities are not there. there are not focused on that. they're focused on some of the things that we've been talking about in the last hour, whether it's foreign policy. certainly, the economy. even how much their pain in bank fees, for example. so folks have another focus. to your point, american sort of looking at what happened in january six, relative to how they've seen other types of progression, there is the sense of, well, a foreign aggressor is one thing. they don't necessarily see what their couch and their civil liberties, their right to challenge their government, right? that is what a lot of republicans who are narrated january six, that is why it was

just political discourse, as opposed to what it was. how do you see, given your working and these parallel world of politics and the law, how do you see clarity in both of those spaces? donald trump wants the mismatch. how do you see this so people understand, to your point, that democracy is on the line here and this is not just typical political discourse? >> no, this is, look, this is the great tragedy of america. we were founded and made compromises that were, that left and and hire people enslaved in the united states. we fought a civil war, and though the south was defeated, there was an incomplete reconciliation with what happened. construction was halted. jim crow remained. so it has been the repeated

tragedy of america that we are unable to completely turn the corner, and be clear eyed. to see nikki haley, who is supposed to be they moderate in the race, unable to say that slavery was a cause of the civil war, tells you how far, what the underlying problem is. donald trump is the extreme version of that. the is the extreme version of the normalizing, and trying to minimize the attacks on american democracy. it has now taken over his entire political party. the republican party offers no opposition, so we can't look to the political classes. i turn to the courts because the fact is, the courts are the last bastion of standing up to donald trump. in perfectly, and i'm not predicting that they will on this 14th amendment case, but they have been the only branch that has been willing to, at times, stand up to the worst

excesses. >> that seems relevant when you have 200 republican lawmakers signing on to a letter telling the supreme court that they don't stand behind this presidential, or they stand behind the presidential -- mitch mcconnell, i believe, was on this list. it is particularly interesting to me given that his whole argument, during impeachment, was, listen, this will be decided by the courts. now we're finally at the legal phase of this, where things will be decided by courts. they are trying to create this circular logic within a trump legal team about the fact that he wasn't impeached. that means he shouldn't -- they are saying, they're telling on themselves. they don't want any forms of accountability. >> it's getting worse. here's a statistic i want to share with you and i hope you internalize this. in late december 2020, the state of texas sued to disenfranchise for states. throw out the result of four state elections. 126 republicans signed on to that brief. okay? 126.

that was led by mike johnson, and congressman. now the speaker. they evening of january six, after the insurrection, after the violence and the capitol, 139 republicans voted not to certify the election results. now, here we are, and the beginning of 2024. as you say, nearly 200 republicans and congress have signed on to a brief to say that donald trump should be exempt from the constitution requirements. it is getting worse. the number of republicans willing to stand up to him have become vanishing leaf you. you are very, your -- >> it is a very small camp. >> they replace liz cheney who was a very conservative republican with, who had the temerity to say, january 6th was wrong. they replaced her with a woman from upstate new york who, let's be honest, she called the

january six perpetrators hostages. people -- things are going in the wrong direction. >> thank you for graciously corrected me on the letter about the 14th amendment and not presidential impunity. you are staying with us at the table. after the, break we are going to walk through the annual report on voting rights here in america. you're watching the weekend on msnbc. msnbc. with nurtec odt i can treat and prevent my migraine attacks all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion and stomach pain. talk to your doctor about nurtec today. a force to be reckon with. no, not you saquon. hm? you! your business bank account with quickbooks money, now earns 5% apy. 5% apy? that's new! yup, that's how you business differently.

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slew of republican led states have work to make it harder to cast a ballot. even change how votes are counted. each tip of the white, these actions have faced serious lawsuits to protect the right to vote. according to democracy docket, -- one more than 80 court cases across 26 states in just the last year. those winds include everything from protecting mail-in voting, to prevent lawmakers from changing how elections run. these voting victories out way the law says 2 to 1. back with us -- that's like saying no matter what i do i when, when, when. big picture, we are getting closer to this general election. are we in good shape across the country? >> so it depends how you think about it. i'll tell you the bad news and good news. the bad news is that our election systems are under enormous stress and strike. we administer elections in this country, as you all know, not

at the federal, not even at the state level, but at the local level. it's local county officials, it's volunteers, or near volunteer showing up at the local school. to check people into the polls, give them ballots. it is a pageantry of democracy that starts at the grassroots and goes up through concentric systems of certifying elections, attaching ribbon, certificates, until you get two presidential elections, the floor of the house, all of that pageantry. what we have seen over the past few years is that there is a donald trump and his followers are weaponizing that pageantry. they are using the strength of american democracy, the resilience and involvement of people at the local level, and putting so much weight on it that you see a lot of good election officials leave their jobs. you've seen these new laws come into place that put real strain on the ability of the election

to happen. that's bad news. the good news is that when it comes to the role of the courts, the courts have continued to protect democracy. when we were sitting here, if we were sitting here a year ago today, we would have been saying, well, the supreme court is going to strike down sections of the voting rights act and alabama. the supreme court is going to gut state court ability to review in the independent state legislature in north carolina. the supreme court didn't do either of those things. like you said, democracy was on the docket in 2023. 2 to 1, it won. >> you talk about the supreme court cases, what the supreme court did in a pulled in section two of the voting rights act is quite possibly very consequential for decades and decades to come. because of not just in alabama, what is, it a black opportunity district created, which is another congressional district, dirty black district in louisiana, court ruled, and the

state had to draw new maps, creighton another opportunity district. there is potential, a similar case in -- this is -- >> and and texas. >> these cases have the potential to, one, make hakeem jeffries speaker of the house. two, it speaks to representation, particularly across the south. we're not just voting rights, but i would argue, what people specifically have been under attack for a long time. we talk about the state legislators in tennessee, for example. >> yeah, the voting rights act section remains the crown jewel of american democracy. that is how mind works, that is ronald reagan's. when we talk of the reauthorization of the voting expect, we talk about the pass of the voting rights act. that seems to be something republicans put enormous pride in. ronald reagan reauthorized it. when george bush oversaw the reauthorization in 2006, passed the senate and 98 to 0, the business roundtable at walmart led the charge for that reauthorization.

now, you see republicans attacking voting, and the voting rights act in particular, all around the country. the fact that in alabama, as you say, there is now a second block opportunity district, in louisiana, there is going to be an opportunity district and georgia. they're added these other states. this is still a vital tool for american democracy that has not been undermined by the courts. so far, it has withstood attacks by republicans. >> does that speak, alabama, louisiana, particularly, where the new map will increase black representation by 33%, does that play into the argument that a lot of current day republicans, not push republicans, with regard to the voting rights act, that you don't need all of the bells and whistles, that the states are capable of handling these things. local courts and ultimately, the state supreme courts can

draw these maps, can't decide whether or not there is the kind of actions taken by state legislatures and others that limit peoples access to the ballot, or do we really need to re-imagine the voting rights act in the modern era, given some of the hostilities that are out there? >> i said at the time, i'll say it today. congress needs to pass the voting rights -- congress needs to pass the freedom to vote act. the fact that we have slowed the erosion, as you point out, the good guys won two thirds of the time. well, a third of the time they didn't. so we see the onslaught of lawsuit after lawsuit by republicans. the republican national committee and 2021, that was only responsible for 25% of the bad voting cases. you have the good voting cases, bad voting cases. they're responsible for 25% of the bad voting cases. in 2023, that was 68%. the republican party has shifted not just rhetorically,

but it's money. how it is spending donor funds and to attacking voting rights. the states are being held in check. we are still, to up, i'm doing the wrong thing. let's remember, we had a new district in louisiana because we sued and won, not because we had a great. in alabama, don't forget, this in alabama, we sued, we won, we went to the supreme court. they went to the supreme court, we won again. then the alabama government still refused to comply with the court order. it was only the court on a composing a map. there is a lot of work still to be done. we desperately need federal legislation. >> thank you so much for joining us here at the table. really appreciate you. next, new accusations that the republicans are targeting hunter biden are misleading the public. you're watching the weekend. ing the weekend.

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before the republican-led house oversight and judiciary committees for deposition on february 28th as part of the gop's impeachment inquiry into president biden. up until last, week republicans were moving forward with the holding up the presidents son in criminal contempt of congress for refusing to sit for a deposition. biden had insisted on a public hearing, citing concern that the panel would selectively misconstrue his testimony. well, seems his concerns were validated. on thuraykevin morris, associate of hunter biden, appeared before a close georgia position and the very next day, morris's attorney accused oversight committee chairman james comer of misrepresenting his client's testimony. morris is lawyer is now

demanding a full transcript of his clients interview to be released immediately. joining us now is jaclyn -- congressional investigative reporter for the washington post. she is also an msnbc contributor. jacqui, we knew this was coming. this is not a surprise. what is a surprise is that the biden team gave into actually doing the closed door hearing. shed a little light on their thinking, rationale for now. you have an example of the greatest fear coming through with mr. morris's testimony been misconstrued by the chair. >> yeah, this trend that we are seeing is tried and true. for 118 congress, the gop majority in the absence of any evidence has tried to use procedural fights to elevate and force coverage of unsubstantiated information already debunked information, and really using it as a vehicle to pedal disinformation

about these impeachment investigations that they're trying to force. these pre destined impeachment investigations. i too was surprised, ultimately, they came to an agreement with hunter biden after, again, a prolonged procedural fight where hunter biden's lawyers pointed out these valid concerns about the way that house republicans were cherry-pick gain and selective information, as we see what the other people who have already been extremely cooperative with the investigation so far. but, this came to a head in order to try to avoid a contempt vote this week. they also agreed on a deposition. they already decided that hunter biden should not be treated any differently than anyone who had previously stepped in, and they should abide by the process. they will see,, it remains to be seen what they're this

played out. >> is that their strategy, what we see he called in for the release of the full transcript because, otherwise, there's going to be this little for tax that the republicans will create on that committee. >> it's interesting to get in the weeds here. and when your and the majority, when you have powers that they have investigations, only the majority can release full transcripts. the minority can't proactively get ahead of things and release the full transcript themselves. they had a hearing this week where james comer was addressing these issues they have a border control agents they had against mayorkas. they're also trying to impeach. jamie raskin said right away, can you please release those full transcripts? we haven't seen them yet, neither has the public. comer said that he would discuss it with him at a later date. i think that we should not

anticipate that things will change. as we've seen from the legal, team they are going to be extremely proactive and aggressive in combat in this misrepresentation that james comer's team probably going to inevitably put out. >> i want to read to what congressman raskin said, it's clear that the republicans have not laid a glove on joe bid, adding that republicans forget that hunter biden has had his name direct through the mud enough. he is unpopular. what are you hearing and congressional democrats about the world a field plays and all of this? >> it has been really interesting to see the same players who argued against trump in the impeachment case against him. dan goldman, member of congress, he could sort of informally showed up as his defender, and his lawyers in a congressional capacity. using their prosecutorial backgrounds to try to fight all

of the misinformation in realtime, during these public hearings. i think they view that as really their main responsibility. in the absence of any evidence. i think that they also feel that they need to expose this procedural strategy that republicans are trying to push through. really, keep everyone focused on the fact that there is no evidence at the end of the day against joe biden. that the republican party seems to be trying to impeach hunter biden. you know, i think these people like raskin, and goldman, they're extremely effective communicators about complicated issues that republicans are deliberately trying to gum up. >> they're going to let this, and i'm glad you made the point in the end because this is all connected to the impeachment inquiry that was opened by house republicans into president biden. impeachments are supposed to be, there's only five, there's a fifth impeachment inquiry in the history of congress. there is no evidence.

how long are house republicans going to keep this up? >> that's a really good question. it seems like two weeks ago, when we started the new year, we are now hearing towards impeaching alejandro mayorkas. again with a lack of any evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors. this was pointed out by constitutional experts and people who appeared before congress for a hearing. now they've come back to hunter biden. you know, in a way, these procedural fights actually work to the advantage of a republican. it helps them avoid taking those that they don't necessarily have, especially with their shrinking majority. last week, next week, there may be having a two day, a two-person margin there. they can only lose one or two votes on something. that means they have to have something rock solid. if you talk to republicans privately, they'll say, okay, maybe we'll take this vote and help push through at least commence in an impeachment inquiry, but we don't think there is enough evidence to actually pursue articles of

impeachment. i think that you're going to see republicans try to continue to bring in witnesses for as long as possible, to try to avoid what i think, at least right now, would be a failed vote on articles of impeachment. >> oh my goodness. politics of appearance. -- thank you so much for being here. up next, folks, wisconsin senator terry baldwin will join us ahead of the 51st anniversary of the roe v. wade decision. we're going to discuss this by the administration's renewed focus on reproductive rights ahead of the 2024 election. you are watching the weekend. are watching the weekend (music) have heart failure with unresolved symptoms? it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms, like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and irregular heartbeat could be something more serious called attr-cm,

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discuss abortion rights. democratic senator, tammy baldwin of wisconsin, joins us now. senator, thank you for being with. us tell us what you expect to hear tomorrow from the vice president. >> the dire reality of what america looks like in a row situation. the stories i've heard when dobbs was decided, and wisconsin reverted to an 1849 statute. that was one year after wisconsin became a state. that was viewed widely as a criminal abortion ban, today, while your map showed wisconsin has considered abortion care legal, 69 out of our 72 counties, there is no care allowed, or provided. so, the reality is, as you heard in our briefing last week, peoples, people are risking their lives. the stories that i've heard

from people in wisconsin are truly dire. we have got to pass my women's health protection act, to re-codify roe v. wade, and on the ballot, we have got to stop these republicans who are planning to push forward nationwide abortion bans. and we have got to put a stop to those republicans in wisconsin who are pushing a state wide abortion ban once again. >> senator, it's the sanders-townsend. you talk about republicans forcing statewide abortion bans. i want to play for you former vice president, mike pence, just yesterday talking about his hopes for a second trump term. >> first time sitting down at the resolute desk. >> our new president should direct the new attorney general to suspend all efforts to

harass pro-life activists. frankly, i think they should pull the abortion pill off of the market and demand that the law is properly enforced. >> senator, these calls for pulling the abortion pill off the mark at, a drug that is currently, it is been litigated and the courts. the supreme court has yet to weigh in on this approach don't. what is your response to what you heard there from former vice president mike pence? it sounds like it's about, they're coming for all abortion. abortion pills. there are reports that republicans are also having places across the country about birth control. >> absolutely. first of all, you go back to the testimony you played earlier of dr. floyd at our briefing last week. she said she knows she has saved lives by providing comprehensive reproductive

health care, including abortion care. the opposite will be true if it is absolutely unavailable across this country. either in medication form, or procedure form. people will die. this is part of health care. it is so clear, from the former vice presidents interview, that they are leaning into the idea over nationwide abortion ban. i know in my own case, i'm on the ballot this november, washington republicans have recruited a california bank owner, mega millionaire, to run against me. he says he totally opposes abortion. if it is not on the ballot in my race, and all the other senate races we have right now, i don't know what is. this is an orchestrated effort to eliminate rights and freedoms that women have enjoyed for nearly 50 years.

and they want to put an end to it nationwide. >> senator baldwin, you have this week the 51st gathering of the march for life here in washington, d.c.. with thousands of young and old americans to come in support of the pro life movements, on the heels, up and the shadow of the dobbs decision. the shadow of kansas, the shadow of the vote in wisconsin. what, what do you see out there, and how do you make a narrative case that sort of goes beyond the typical rhetoric in this space? as you and i both now, this is a very personal decision that a woman makes. you have the coming out of this gathering, the headlines that say we will never go away. antiabortion activists mean that very seriously. but in the state of wisconsin,

you have polling that show, among voters, 66% think abortion should be legal. and all or most cases. it should be illegal, 34%, believe it should be illegal in all or most cases. there is a clear narrative there. how do you, even as you're dealing with campaigns and the work of the senate, knowing the importance of this issue, really conveyed the importance of that 66% of wisconsin's. the wisconsinites. that's not just democrats. there are a lot of republicans. >> so, i think that one of the most powerful ways is elevating and amplify the stories of women who have been impacted by dobbs decision, and our state laws severely restricting access. i met a woman, shortly after dobbs was in effect, in

northwestern wisconsin. her water broke at 17 weeks. she went to her doctor, she was in the hospital. they said, we can't provide you care. they waited, waited, her fever went up and up. when she presented with a fever of 101 she was finally provided care. people shouldn't have to bleed out, or become septic with sepsis in order to get health care. lawyers shouldn't be practicing medicine via advising doctors whether or not to do their jobs. when you elevate these stories, they are very few people who don't believe that the woman i'm talking about should get the care she needed. in a timely way, not when she is on the verge of death. >> senator, to follow on that point, the stories are powerful and poignant. they do move people.

i wonder, what is your response to, there are a number of republican elected officials across the country who say democrats are trafficking and hyperbole. the stories that they are choosing to highlights are few and far between. but do you say to people that just do not believe that this is in fact the reality for women across america? >> well, they've provided so much misinformation over decades. as was said. they have been working for a long, long time. after roe was decided, to overturn. it finally succeeding after three activist judges were, justices, were added to the united states supreme court. there has been a long time where they've been misinforming the public. about comprehensive reproductive care, including abortion care. it is high time that people understand the real stories.

i so respect the courage of the three women who joined our briefing on capitol hill last week. especially doctor denard, who is at texas obstetrician, gynecologist. she talked about how texas laws impede her ability to do her job. when somebody is confronted with a pregnancy gone awry. she says, i can help you. i mean, i can't imagine. she also has her own powerful experience with a pregnancy that went, that was an viable. her having to make arrangements to leave the state. she is a woman with means to do so. we also heard from doctor floyd, a story of somebody who literally had only bus fare to get to wash intend d.c.. stayed overnight at a homeless shelter, and had to go to a

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turned into the oh my god, really? campaign. >> is it about mechanics or is it about a core misunderstanding of trump's hold on the republican base, and an unwillingness -- >> it's about. both >> maybe rhonda scientist had a good candidate, he didn't like the campaign, but there are multiple clips of this man in iowa, telling, kids don't eat too much sugar, up too much candy. they're on the campaign trail. the man was never a good candidate before the started. he'll be the scott walker of 2024. i owe governor walker an apology. what rhonda sent to state was worse than scott walker. let's not blame the staff on this one. we have to blame the talent. the highlights, many reasons why it was i flop. one of them is the talent. the talent. >> okay, having dealt with talent -- >> the talent is the -- >> having dealt with, talent there is a way you can prepare and lift talent up.

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weekend. it's sunday morning. we'll see you here bright and early saturday at 8 am eastern. be sure to follow the show on social media at the weekend msnbc. don't forget, on tuesday, rachel maddow will lead special coverage of the new hampshire primary, kornacki will also be there to break down the results on the big board. that starts tuesday at six pm eastern, only on msnbc. velshi, though, starts right now. hey, ali. looking forward to your interviews. >> thank you. i think we have t-shirts made that says, maybe it's the talent. i thought that was a good option. i was trying to prep for my show and you said that. i will, say speaking of the talent, there's a whole lot of it on the weekends. i love the show. it feels a little squished to me, want to hear and do it? i have a nice big studio. >> trying to get us a bigger table, ali. you can have my table, you are welcome, here i would love nothing more than to see you