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hampshire's primary contest, where he was projected to finish while behind both former president, donald trump, and former u.n. -- he opted not to break the news on this stump before his supporters that worked for weeks to keep his campaign alive one way or another. instead, he ended his never back down campaign, that's what it's called on twitter, and through his support behind the man he has spent so many years working to emulate. >> if there was anything i could do to produce a favorable outcome, more campaign stops, more interviews, i would do it. but i can ask our supporters to volunteer their time and donate their resources, we don't have a clear path to victory. accordingly, i am today suspending my campaign. trump is superior to the current incumbent, joe biden, that is clear. i signed a pledge to support the republican nominee, i will honor that pledge. it's my endorsement because we

can't go back to the old republican guard of yesteryear, are re-package form of corporate-ism that nikki haley represents. the days of putting american's last, of -- large corporations, of caving to woke ideology are over. >> after finishing second in iowa on monday, desantis's campaign sent mixed signals to the donors, even to lower level eighths working on the campaign and creating confusion about his intentions for the rest of the race. he flew directly to south carolina from iowa, suggesting his intention was to keep the campaign till the palmetto state late february primary. however, over the next few days, he hopscotch back and forth between south carolina, new hampshire, in florida, and that began to puzzle his staff and supporters. and late last night, he canceled all his scheduled appearances including nbc news meet the press as he headed back to new hampshire. indeed, the campaign ended as

it actually began, with a big flop. and i mean thatuite literally, winston churchill quote he posted announce alongside his video, we, have that was a fake, true to form governor desantis staying on brand, you're committed to the lock until the very end. kicking us off this hour from new hampshire, correspondent dasha burns, and vaughn hillyard, great to have both of you with. us dasha, start with you, desantis's campaign have been flailing for sometime, never got traction, never launched with a bag, what are you hearing about why he chose to drop out now two days before the new hampshire primary, was there any reason today as opposed to waiting after new hampshire? >> look, there wasn't a path, ayman, that had come clear early on to a lot of the folks that were around him. it takes time for a candidate i think to come to terms with that, they're looking at the

raw reality in front of them, the polling numbers, or the numbers when it comes to the financials. as they looked ahead, they knew he was gonna come in abysmally last new hampshire with the single digit numbers we're seeing in the polls. and looking at south carolina, the state where they were saying it was their promised land, they kept hammering in the last weeks, we gotta get to south carolina, we gotta get to south carolina. it didn't look like that was adding up again either in terms of the path to get there politically nor the path to get there financially. it was just time to call it and the fact that he ended his campaign with an endorsement of the former president, the man with whom he was locked in this bitter battle. the former president taking, giving punch after punch to ron desantis, giving him nicknames,

calling him disloyal, talking about him in the last few weeks as a wounded bird falling from the sky, you name it. he had time and again on the campaign trail, in interviews, he said, you know, he wants people to kiss the ring, or you're out of the tenth, he said he was never gonna do that and now here he is falling in line. i think that says so much about where this primary and this republican party is. you said at the outset, this was the candidate that everyone was looking to as the guy that could potentially beat former president trump at his primary, who could be the next standard bearer of the republican party, who came out of this as the primary alternative and that just never manifested. and for all of the challenges of the campaign face, whether was money problems, whether was him himself as a messenger that never connected with the people. so many sources i talked to said from the start that, you

just couldn't get past the fact that former president trump even as the -- good campaign, it was a juggernaut that you could not be. >> speaking of the former president, of on, and to dash's point, trump surprisingly has been gracious to ron desantis after receiving the endorsement. he said he won't call them the name, the nickname that's become synonymous with ron because of donald -- rhonda sanctimonious. do you expect the goodwill to last, do you expect the dynamic to change now that ron desantis has endorsed donald trump despite the humiliation he suffered at his hands? >> right, there's a recognition for the republican party to win in november, by a large, will need to keep that republican base of support in attacked. when you look at not only the outcome in iowa, but in polling in other states donald trump is the dominant figure of this

republican party, there is a wing that's much more in line of the likes of, liz cheney, chris christie, or sympathetic to nikki haley. and if you alienate too much of that, you're putting yourself in the potential of only deteriorating what is fragile support. ron desantis is one of the last people who you can potentially lose. -- 20%, that's not an insignificant number of votes who've -- i was outside of this event, the trump rally, i was talking to a gentleman, 48 hours ago, he was at iran desantis event. he told me look where he is now, he's here with donald trump, nikki haley was that viable alternative. at this point in time, he intends to support donald trump, but it takes me back to eight years ago, the day ted cruz dropped out i was with him, -- ted cruz went on a monologue calling him a serial philanderer earl, a moral, going on the attack against

donald trump. and would ultimately happen trump welcomed him back. it even helped a minutes reelection bid for the senate seat. donald trump is a political creature who understands that the transactional needs of electoral politics. for him, saying he's an honor to have ron desantis's support as an indication to nikki haley, but if she were to step aside, that he'd welcome her back into the fold to. he's even not ruled out him be her -- presidential pick. for donald trump, it worked eight years ago when he took a fractured party and united, was able to help unite around him in those closing days, he understands that he has an opportunity to get back into the white house. especially with four criminal trials on the line, there's a lot at stake, he needs the support of every individual that he can, and to alienate a guy like ron desantis, look, and hails from a key swing state, or the state of florida, it would be electorally dumb to

do so. that's why we expect him to go out on the limb and continue to bring in the former rivals. >> we'll continue to watch the news out of new hampshire. we'll bring you any comments if they're made about ron desantis dropping out of the race throughout the course of the evening. dasha burns, vaughn hillyard, thank you for both starting us off. i want to bring in my panel for this conversation, simon rosenberg, democratic strategist and author of " the opium chronicles " and host of msnbc political analyst, founder of -- anna pulitzer prize winner. and former illinois congressman, joe walsh, great to have all three of you with us. simon, let's start with you. from a political perspective, have you seen our republican primary candidate who had so much momentum, touted as the heir apparent, someone that had this much expectation on his shoulder, flop, and burn so

quickly end disastrously? >> no. i think we've seen other front runner, strong candidates claps in the primary throughout recent american history, this was a big one. he was the hope for all those republicans who hope there can be a future of the party outside of donald trump, without trump meaning them. he was the great hope for all of them. he ran as you said, ayman, he was a terrible campaign, a terrible candidate, they spent a lot of money and got little in return. where we are now in this primary, right, it looks like donald trump is going to prevail at some point, we'll see what happens in new hampshire. and all the sudden the general election is here, things are gonna change very quickly now. >> joe, your reaction to rhonda scent is dropping out of the republican party, it was not a surprise i think in recent months, no one realistically thought he was gonna have a chance. nonetheless, when it does come

in the way that it comes, there is always some announcements tab happy about how it ended quickly end disastrously for him. >> ayman, for those of us that no desantis, none of this is a surprise, simon's right, lousy candidate, lousy campaign, he's a guy who's worked with people, doesn't like with people, and all of us surmise that once he gets out there and gets around people, it's not gonna go well for him. it's a bigger point is, his case was fundamentally flawed from the beginning, i don't think as bad a candid as he is, if he was a super candidate, he couldn't have won this. america needs to understand my former political party is a cult, donald trump is the cult leader, period, end of story. i think he's unbeatable, and was unbeatable for this nomination no matter what desantis would have done. >> maria, your thoughts on

desantis in forcing donald trump? as vaughn outlined for us, there is a transaction element to everything that happens in american politics. there's also the wonder why someone like ron desantis who gets humiliated by donald trump on a regular basis over the last couple of weeks would immediately turn around and interest donald trump. it completely disregards nikki haley, it's because he sees the reality or because he's four expediency trying to preserve some kind of future within the party? >> so, vaughn, use the term, kiss the ring, i wrote down immediately, that sounds like the boat, that sounds like a dictator, that sounds like the mafia. if you understand that, this notion of, i've just gotta kiss the ring. i also think as of former

republican congressman, joe walsh, said and this is difficult because there is this poll, i call it an authoritarian pull on the part of donald trump. but does it exist among the voters, and is there a doubling down, we want this guy, and again, and i've said it before, the more you come after him the more we're gonna double down, i think it makes sense? i need to say, i never saw iran desantis even a year ago, i was like he's not gonna go anywhere. >> why, what was it about in the made you say that? >> even before i heard him speak, when i see him, i was like there is nothing there, there is no, -- no charisma, then you see him speak, i don't think he brought anything to the table, and, fact again, if you're talking about small numbers like the place like new hampshire, the third whitest state in the country, ron desantis didn't go after a voter of color, he intentionally was trying to give away.

if you understand the power of voters of color whether the republican, or democrat, you need to play to them. ron desantis was doing the opposite. could they have saved him, i agree, it would be almost impossible against donald trump. but he didn't even try. st donal trump. but he didn't even try >> this is a guy, obviously, coming from florida, he has to at least think of the diversity of that state and say, okay, if i can navigate the politics of florida and the diversity of florida, i should be able to take the lessons learned from there in apply that to the broader america. he did the complete opposite. he alienated black voters, he alienated women voters, he alienated latino voters. even voters in florida who may be more moderate and perhaps even liberal lgbt voters who thought of themselves as republican in florida, he alienated everybody he needs to to build a coalition to take on donald trump. >> yeah, listen. i think what happened with desantis's i think they locked

in his basic framing of moving, you know, being super maga, even being at the right of trump on things, in the summer of 2022, when everyone thought a big red wave was gonna come. when desantis was doing really well in florida, he thought that the democrats were gonna get crashed. and so they positioned him as sort of the heir apparent to maga. the problem is, as the congressman said, there was this other guy there who is the maga guy standing in front of him. and i think they made a huge strategic error, as opposed to doing what haley did, which is trying to run into the rest of the republican party, can do governor who got things done, he ran as maga. and there was a maga guy in front of him who is gonna get all the maga voters. and i never really understood the strategy. and, so i think not only was he a bad candidate and his performance, i think the strategy they picked was catastrophic, and really had very little chance of success. >> joe, does he have a future

in this party? i know you're calling it a cult. i totally get it, i agree with you, it is a cold so long as donald trump stays the cult leader of this republican party. but a, does he have any role to play if donald trump becomes a nominee? is he even impossible vice presidential pick despite this loss? and be, is there a future for him within gop politics? >> i think there is, amen. because trumpism has moved beyond trump. look, and coming from the republican base like idea, republican voters want a son of a bit. they want a jerk. they want an asks. they want someone cruel to be the their nominee. desantis was cruel, and he tried to give them that, but as simon said, trump is cruel, but trump has charisma. he does the trump thing. desantis is cruel without any charisma. >> and some would argue his cruelty was even a bit of a fake.

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2024 campaign with a simple pitch to america, pledging to, quote, make america florida. the governor has learned no one wants that. not even floridians. after he suspended his campaign today, the florida democratic party issued a statement calling the desantis campaign a, quote, dead, rotten carcass on the side of the road. adding, florida democrats have spent the last year making sure that voters from iowa to new hampshire and everywhere in between know exactly how iran has failed the people of florida. nikki -- here with us now. it's good to see you again, nikki. thanks for making time for us. let me start by getting your reaction to this announcement, and then we'll kind of talk about the lessons learned from florida that applied to his broader campaign. are you at all shocked, either that he made at this fire or that he is throwing in the towel before new hampshire? >> first off, thanks for having me on this evening. you know, in 2023, when it took

over as chair of -- i made a promise to the people of my state, ron desantis is never going to be president of the united states. tonight was mission accomplished. look what he's done to our state, in his track to get to iowa. he is taking us to a six-week abortion ban, is gone after lgbtq plus community, as banned books, has deported people using taxpayers dollars, and inflation is three times the national average, property insurance has increased 400% since he took over as governor. so we are thrilled here in florida, but unfortunately, he's coming home. >> you still have to deal with him for a little bit longer as the governor of florida. but when desantis entered the race, he was, you, know arguably looked by many as the only real challenger to donald trump. this was a person who had the money. he had the war chest. he had the name recognition. he came from a big state. what do you believe was behind that height that was so

misplaced? >> i think some of the hype came from the fact that he won by 19 points in 2022. the last two years, i've gone around the state saying very clearly, he did not win by 19 points. florida democrats lost by 19 points. we saw over 1 million democrats not show up to the november 22 election, crippling our state. so he took that 19 points, and the rest of the nation talked about this huge victory that he had here in florida. overinflated his success rate, over inflated his platform. i even gave him advice last year via social media saying, look, if you want to be president of the united states, don't take florida into this jane tris direction. floridians didn't want a six-week abortion ban. floridians didn't wonk -- when it comes to our fire arms. and he kept doing all of these things, thinking that if he was to go right of trump, that was gonna be successful for him.

instead, he should've consolidated the anti trump support and made sure that he was that candidate who is gonna beat trump. you can't beat trump by going right of trump and thinking that something that's going to resonate with people across the country. certainly it was never going to be able to president on a -- >> speaking of donald trump, he's on stage right now speaking, and we understand he's made some comments about desantis, praising him -- will keep an eye on that, bring you any news that comes out of it. i do want to ask you about the culture wars, and how he basically exploited his position as governor of florida, really tried to test this culture war issues -- resonate with the rest of the country. they failed miserably. he alienated black voters in florida, latino voters, women voters, he basically alienated any kind of group that he would need in order to run a successful national campaign,

and it came at the expense, some would argue, the lives of floridians. >> absolutely. i mean, if he had talked to anybody on the street, you talk about book banning, we had a county last week that band dictionaries. he went around talking about there being some benefits to slavery. getting rid of dei at a higher education systems. i mean, he arrested black voters right before the primary in 2022. so this came at a huge expense. i'm not to say all the actual financial expenses for floridians. all the lawsuits that have come, taking the state attorneys out of positions, and maybe -- major lawsuits. and now the 11th circuit in florida has slapped him back. all of these culture wars, he is continuously losing now in the courts, and certainly public opinion. but the everyone watching, you are florida democratic party have been on the frontlines fighting back, standing up to all this authoritarianism. i was the first person in 2020 who called him a dictator.

unfortunately, that's how he's let our state, but democrats are fighting back. please be a part of what we're doing here on the ground. he's still coming home. -- florida dems dot org and help democrats here in our state fight back against culture wars. we can, when we can be successful, and we can stop this nonsense that's happened here in our state. that's unfortunately gone to other parts of the country. >> all right, nikki fried, the chair of the florida democratic party, it's great to see you again, thanks for making time for us tonight. next, how ron desantis proved that you can walk like trump and top like trump, but if you are not trump, you have no chance in the republican party. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt. i work hard, and i want my money to work hard too. so, i use my freedom unlimited card. earning on my favorite soup. aaaaaah. got it. earning on that éclair. don't touch it, don't touch it yet. let me get the big one. nope.

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and conservative in america, but if you don't kiss that rain, then he'll try to trash you. you know what? you deserve a nominee that's gonna put you first, not himself. >> and guess what ron desantis did? you literally just kiss the ring. that was former 2024 presidential candidate ron desantis in iowa. that was just last sunday. and really, what a difference seven days can make, because after dropping out of the race today, desantis immediately through his support behind donald trump. and despite running on a maga agenda, desantis prove that trumpism really only works when your name is donald trump. not if you're a diet donald trump, as matt gaetz called desantis today. my panel is with me now to break all this down. simon, desantis pledged to never back down. that was literally the name of his campaign. only to back down seven months later. he promised not to kiss the ex presidents ring. i don't even think the ink on

the announcement of him not continuing the race was dry before he kissed the ring. what does this tell you about ron desantis as a man, and as a political creature, if you will, with a future in mind? >> yeah, listen. i think he has to be worried about nikki haley's strong performance. looking ahead to 2028, i know it seems ridiculous, because we've got a big election right in front of us. but nikki haley has proven to be a far more formidable candidate, i think, for desantis than he anticipated. and so he needed to go hug trump as quickly as he possibly could so he could be the inheritor of the maga movement in 2028, is on thinking, right? because haley has made it very clear that she's fighting really hired, and we know, listen, ron hilliard's report earlier tonight i thought was really smart. he said a lot of really important things about the fragility of the republican coalition right now. they had a very low turnout in iowa a couple days ago.

we know that a large number of haley voters are planning to vote for biden in the general election. these guys, trump may look puffy and strong right now, but there's enormous weakness underneath here, and that's why they needed, i'm sure, the pressure they put on desantis was unbelievable, and some of this had to do with hometown florida politics, right? it was gonna be very difficult for him desantis to not endorse trump given that they're both from the same state at the end of the day. so, i think this was a lo about 2028, and desantis hoping that he'd have a shot to run again at some point. >> and i want rd for you a piece from new york magazine. this is from jonathan chait, who wrote that ron desantis's campaign finalized the conservative competes relation to trump, and asked trump space to select a more competent leader, and yet in turn, conceded every moral and philosophical obligation to trump, and the -- what do you make of that analysis? >> you know, it appears that in

the supporters of donald trump, the four years of trump in america where the best years ever. and this is what i'm hearing, right? that there was nothing that compares with what happened in those four years. and so i think at this point you just have to say, well, you're gonna have to buy into this notion of donald trump being the person who can bring, or as he says, bringing this great america back, whatever. so it seems to me very strange that you would try to break that, when in fact, this is what trump has been saying all along, right? this is what he represents. this is who he represents. in many ways, desantis, it would be like saying, we want the candidate that is really gonna ban all the books and really banned the dictionaries and really say that, you know, slavery was great for america. and in fact, they now have no choice but to back donald trump. >> joe.

obviously trumpism is not the norm of the republican party. ron desantis could not sell trumpism the way donald trump can. everyone understands that. but can you out-maga the maga master himself? i know you said earlier that donald trump has charisma, but i'm talking about the ideology of what trumpism is. because he can really more fit into whatever he wants to be at any given time, and ron desantis was always just playing catch up to it. >> i think the ideology is here to stay. that pains me, as a former lifelong republican. i don't think this republican party is changing. it is on the intolerant, authoritarian path it's on. and ayman, we don't stress that enough. the vast majority of republican voters want a strong man. they want a dictator. that's why trump is gonna lean into this, and simon will definitely disagree with me, but trump is gonna lean into,

i'm gonna be a dictator in the general election. and i worry that that's going to play with more voters than just trump's base. so, when trump leaves the stage one day, ayman, there will be other authoritarian republicans with more personality who will replace him. that's where the party is. >> i'll give you a chance to respond to that, but just from a democratic strategist perspective, we have to remind our viewers that donald trump is a loser. he is losing, and he is losing elections and polls and losing on key issues that matter to voters, for example, abortion rights in kentucky, ohio, things that he has put his name, his brand, his stake on. the candidates that he's endorsed in some of these races, they have lost. and yet, republicans still stand by him. >> right. this is really important, right? maga lost in 2018, 2020, 2022, and 2023. trump's, to, me a far weaker

candidate than he was in 2020. is far more degraded. he's more extreme. he's more dangerous. his performance on the stump is far more erratic, and while he's also making unforced errors because of his wildness, right? it came out a few days ago against the aca, which -- tens of millions of people, there was no upside for him to do that. it was all downside. and so, when i look at trump as a strategist, someone who's been doing this for decades, i see a much weaker candidate than i saw in 2020 or 2016. it's why i'm so optimistic about our opportunity in 2024. >> maria, what do you think of that? a weaker candidate than he was four years ago, but it seems that he's still has a shot at the white house, realistically speaking. why? >> well, you are just saying what a difference seven days can make. it's january, right? we've got a chunk of time between now and november. so i don't think it's time to just kind of throw in the towel. i actually think that --

>> i don't think anyone is throwing in the towel. but i think people are nervous about the fact that donald trump, despite all the setbacks, despite the 91 indictments, the four trials, the e. jean carroll trial, the fact that as we were just hearing simon say, lost time and time again, he's still the front runner of the republican party. >> so, my source, when we are talking about the indictments and the text by saying, the indictments are just a way of suppressing him as a candidate and its pod of the deep state to keep him out. but there are laws. at the same time, saying donald trump, the same source, is that constitutional republican, and it's like, you can't have both at the same time. so i think, i appreciate the idea that we as journalists should be -- that's what i mean in the sense of throwing in the towel. we as journalists have to be responsible. we know what happened in the midterms, right? in biden's midterms? then he was able to hold democratic wins over those midterms.

and we remember everyone talking about the red wave. that's a form of voter suppression. to kind of say, the red wave is gonna happen, donald trump is gonna win, it's gonna -- know. in fact, young voters are out there voting at rates that we haven't seen before, and that's where the key is gonna be. and i don't think that they're following trump. >> let's just hope so. let's hope that the youth save this country yet again. panel, don't go anywhere, you've got a lot more to discuss after the break. up next, we need to talk about what new hampshire voters are saying about this news specifically. who ron desantis supporters might flock to next. might flock to next. choose nexium. no two bodies are the same. some pads, never got that message. but, always flexfoam did! it protects against different flows for up to zero leaks. and it flexes to fit all bodies, for up to zero feel. feel it yourself with always flexfoam.

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chance despite the fact that desantis has endorsed trump? let's go to -- some insight into that. he's been talking to voters in manchester. so, shaquille, talk to us about what you've been hearing. what are the early signals that you're getting from voters about who they tune to next and why? >> all right, amen. first of all, the reaction you're getting is one of a motion. you have those that supported -- sad that they suspended his campaign, and former president trump just in the past couple minutes at his rally announced that ron desantis has now suspended his campaign, and you heard his supporters cheer and applaud. you heard something similar when nikki haley told her supporters at an event earlier today. but talking to these individual voters, and i tell you, i've been crisscrossing the state the past week or two going to different pockets of the state, and one thing that was clear to me is that for many of the people who are watching this primary closely, they saw this as a two person race. they saw this, fundamentally,

as a choice between donald trump and nikki haley. and that was reflected in much of the polling, where you saw iran desantis pretty consistently i have about five or 6%. i've been in the field, they've been talking to voters, i want you to listen to some sound from people who just heard the reaction, just heard the news about ron desantis, including one person who showed up at the event that ron desantis was supposed to have at five pm, and learn the news from being there when he found out the event was canceled. listen. >> i'm glad desantis stepped up and got behind trump. obviously, trump is the foreigner. even though all the things that they've been pushing against him, i believe it's time that we bring him back. >> i would like to have seen him stay in just to give the american electorate some twice, and not just fold in, say trump is the nominee, we're gonna just pack our bags and leave. >> well, it's a little late. he should've never got into begin with, right? i mean, everybody knows trump

is the guy. >> that last sentiment that you just heard, i think that kind of sheds some light on why iran desantis was struggling, especially in this area. spent some time along the border of massachusetts and new hampshire, areas where donald trump did exceedingly well back in 2016. and one thing i continue to hear is that ron desantis, i liked him before, but then he won against trump. i don't like what you've been saying about against donald trump. he's not a loyal person anymore. these are sentiments that can shift, especially now that attacks from former president trump will likely stop toward ron desantis. but that gives you a sense of why ron desantis really struggled to gain traction in the state. of course, when you compare it to iowa, it's less conservative, less evangelical, and a little more moderate in the electorate. ayman. >> i, shaquille brewster live for us in new hampshire. shaquille, thank you as always, my friend, good to see you. next, ron desantis goes out in,

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now defunct desantis campaign used a quote from winston churchill that the late great prime minister never actually said. it's very much on brand for ron desantis, as my team realized last april, when we posted this on our show's instagram. >> we will fight the woke in the legislature. >> we shall fight in france. we shall fight on the seas and oceans. >> we will fight the woke in education. >> we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds. >> we will fight the woke in the businesses. >> we shall fight in the fields and in the streets. we shall never surrender! >> we will never, ever surrender to the woke mob. our state is where woke goes to die. >> joe, i want to get your reaction to that. this is a guy who, look, maybe in his had, maybe some of his campaign was, listen, you're the closest thing we've got to winston churchill. but clearly, he was far from

it. >> that was so beautiful. well done to you and your team. the other thing that struck me, ayman, is like, a lot of people have falsely attributed that line to churchill. you go online, and you see a bunch of fake quotes to churchill in lincoln. and desantis was kind of the online candidate. so it doesn't surprise me that his team probably went online and found a fake quote and ran with it. because he just, he was terrible live with people. he seemed more at home online. >> this is a guy who is not great in retail politics at all. we've got a lot of crunchy moments from ron desantis that will play on our next hour. but what do you think, simon? what was desantis going for with his campaign closer today that actually, a, is not a strategy, nor is it a real quote from winston churchill? >> it does speak, both of you alluded to it. it does speak to the collapse of the republican party, right? i mean, this is become a performative extreme party,

something that feels unlike a traditional political party in the west. it's really become against getting on fox news every night, exciting a few million people that get, you know, agitated from the kind of performative right-wing politics we see, and it really speaks to the fact that in the united states today, we have two parties. one is a modern, forward-looking, successful political party, the democratic party. and one of our other parties, the other party, has failed. and it's been failing for decades. and it's a huge problem, because we need two healthy parties to be a successful country. and one of our two parties has failed. and i think desantis's campaign, to me, speaks to just how the collapse, the broader collapse of the republican party for a guy who was so obviously terrible to be considered the next one up speaks to how shallow the benches, and how much the republican party is struggling to put forward serious candidates in this time. >> someone brings up a really

important point, maria, and i think it's one we should discuss. it's one thing to kind of make fun of ron desantis for all the political missteps that he's had, but his governorship in florida, what he has done to migrants, busing them to other states, using them as political props, what he has done by denying covid as being real, and what that might have meant as to costing people their lives, because the leader of their state denied the reality of covid and the vaccines, and had real life consequences on the people of florida. and that should never be underestimated or joked about. >> no. i agree. and i think we have laughed a little bit tonight, but i think the issue of what is happening with the republican party, what is happening with our two main parties, with all due respect, i would like to be able to say that the democratic party is really forward-looking and modern, but you know, there can be a critique made about the democratic party as well. where is the next generation,

right? where is the bringing up of someone like aoc, who is a fascinating politician? at the same time, you have a republican party, and i look back to the days of covering, mike bush, dole, mccain, and just, oh, for the days of the republican party when we could kind of debate about issues. policies. there was an acceptance of kind of commonality of facts, for example. and i think that time and again, we've said in this hour, what we're thinking about in terms of the republican party, and it is frightening. when you get to a point in a conversation where it has to end, because for example, i was telling you, what i'm hearing is everything that is happening with donald trump in terms of these indictments is just a part of the deep state to keep him, to fight against our democracy. to keep donald trump out of our democracy. you're talking about indictments. multiple indictments. criminal indictments.

and the supporters saying they're not happening, they're not important, this is a political ploy. how do we have that conversation? -- in the next how many months? 11 months? >> 11 months to go. joe, how do we rehabilitate the republican party? what we are hearing right now from both maria and simon, and you as well, is that look, our democracy needs a functioning political party. we need multiple political parties. we need to. but we need a strong republican party to have a healthy debate about policy. we're far from that. you have a -- authoritarian party that is increasing in america, led by an authoritarian outright wannabe dictator in donald trump. so zoom out for us a little bit and just give me your closing thoughts on this moment with ron desantis pulling out and where the republican party goes from here? >> step one, ayman, is this republican, this authoritarian embracing cult, who by the way, let's not forget, the nominee

this year will be someone who lost an election, refused to participate in the peaceful transfer of power, and then tried to overthrow that election. the quickest way to rehabilitate my former party is to spank this republican party big-time in 2024. this republican party has to lose by a lot. if that doesn't happen, if that statement is not made, then we're in for a long haul with this party. >> simon, i want to give you a thought as well. your final thought on this as we go into this stretch in the news today and what it means for our political reality right now. >> yeah. i just want to build on what joe said. i think democrats really have to try to win this election by 8 to 10 points. bill clinton won his reelection in 96 by eight points. i think this election, for the cut of the country, we need this election to be a clear, repudiation of maga. we have to loosen maga's dark grip on the republican party.

and the only way that's gonna happen is if republicans see this as a political loser, they walk away from it. and it's why the stakes of this election are so high, and why the performance of the biden campaign really matters. because if we stumble across the finish line and win by a few points here and there, trump gets really close, then maga will live on. and that's why it's really important the biden campaign is turned on, it's starting to really execute, we're starting to see the moving forward. we need to run the biggest -- this is the most important election of our lifetime, and we've got to get going. >> it may literally be also the last one if donald trump gets his way and gets back into office. some in rosenberg, maria, joe walsh, thank you all very much for joining me throughout this entire hour. an update on tonight's breaking news from new hampshire after a quick break. stay with us. e after quick break. stay with us stay with us ur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt.

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