it is a big week. we'll see you tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern when rachel kicks off new hampshire coverage, and well, right now, keep it locked for "the reidout" with joy reid starting now. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> you can be the most worthless republican in america, but if you kiss the ring, he'll say

you're wonderful. you can be the strongest, most dynamic, successful republican and conservative in america, but if you don't kiss that ring, then he'll try to trash you. >> barely a week later, desantis kissed that ring. endorsing trump and putting an end to one of the biggest campaign failures in political history. leaving behind a trail of destructive policies in florida that he and his obedient republican legislature shoved down the throats of floridians, all to advance his personal political ambitions. meanwhile, trump is predictably birthering nikki haley who is now the only noninsurrectionist left in the republican race. plus, how the abortion issue continues to haunt republicans of roe v. wade, the landmark 1953 supreme court decision enshrining women's bodily autonomy that was killed by

republicans. >> but we begin tonight with karma. you reap what you sow, what goes around comes around. all that good stuff. karma can be cruel, ironic, but it's always right on time. at the center of the morality play about political karma, is florida governor ron desantis. or is it desantis. i don't think we ever found out? whatever the pronunciation of the name few in history will remember, the tale ended for ron just where it started, on elon twitter, where back in may, desantis kicked off his long anticipated presidential campaign during a disastrous launch event on twitter spaces. only to return to the platform now rebranded as x where he misquoted former british prime minister winston churchill as he dropped out of the race. the republican party is a clown show, after are, starring ron desantis as its most classless clown. just one devoid of charisma or humor, a sad, weird clown who

has the personality of a wet paper bag. who ever heard of a clown with such a tortured smile? >> and as your president, i will not let you down. god bless you. >> but ron was a clown nonetheless. whose lore includes the bizarre habit of eating chocolate pudding with three of his fingers, not one finger, but three of them. you know, three of them, like kind of like a scoop. but a clown who is devoid of jokes is like a presidential candidate without integrity. you're going to do your best to hide those deficiencies from the american public, but you're probably going to just call attention to them. enter boot gate. trying to hide how he fell short on protecting his state's citizens from the aftermath of a hurricane, which is a florida governor's main job, desantis stepped out in pristine white boots, shoe lifts and heels, trying to be tall, as near lay every insurer fled his state. and when he was asked about his shoe lifts on the campaign

trail, he managed to make you cringe. >> they want to talk about how tall you are. respond please. >> this is no time for foot fetishes. we have serious problems as a country. >> but what ron desantis was so desperately trying to conceal had nothing to do with his height. and everything to do with his obsession with power. in fact, he torched his entire state for one purpose, to become the republican nominee for president. a lot of people told him, it's too early, not your turn, but he didn't listen. he pitched himself as diet trump, with all the cruelty but none of the calories. instead, he became extra sugar trump, even meaner, even crueller, just without the charisma. and something nobody even asked for. he ravaged his entire state into a swamp of mean. for the purpose of becoming president, pushing a legislative agenda heavy on the sadism. he signed the don't sayay law, stoking harassment of drag shows

and lgbtq people. he pushed through anti-woke legislation that deemed black history of no educational value. and sold slavery as job skills training, making a mockery of florida education, and making florida the leader in book bans. he chased teachers out of the classroom and screamed at teenage students on television for wearing masking to protect their health. he went to war with disney, and sued the cruise industry for trying to keep covid off their ships. he hired a ridiculous surgeon general who questioned the safety of masks and vaccines even as tens of,000s of elderly floridians died. desantis is also behind a violent inhumane immigration bill, imposing penalties and restrictions on undocumented immigrants in florida. a bill so morally disastrous that a leading miami archbishop said it would criminalize empathy. it's also been horfrbl the thousands of latino workers out of the state, causing them to flee and leave

the construction and agriculture industries hanging. he also splurged taxpayer money to ship brown people from texas, a state he has no business governing, to martha's vineyard like cargo. he signed a six-week abortion ban in the middle of the night, because shhh, maybe the women won't notice. he is after all. much more than a clown but the avatar of white christian nationalism and grievance politics and he thought he could win the white house by owning the libs. turned out it was the world's biggest self-own. he's now dropped out of the presidential race, only to kiss trump's ring days after he lamented all the other republicans doing exactly that. but what do you expect from baby maga? a florida man who came up on an ad showing his baby in a maga onesie and his other child building a maga wall with toy blocks only to wind up deflating on the campaign trail sxending up exactly where he started, swathed in a maga onesie of his own, groveling for trump.

joining me now is brandon wolf, national press secretary for the human rights campaign and a 2016 pulse nightclub shooting survivor and charlie sykes, editor at large of the bulwark. brandon, i owe it to you since you are a leader of an organization that actually declared florida unsafe for lgbtq people to travel, and as somebody who had to live as a person of color and as a gay man in the state of florida under ron desantis, i owe it to you to give you the first word on his political demise. >> well, thank you for having me, joy. if you see a grin on my face today, i'm sorry. i can't help it. nothing goes better with my happy hour drink than the implosion of ron desantis' presidential campaign. and as human rights campaign president kelly robinson likes to say around the office, i think we might just be in the find out era of politics. we both saw ron desantis found out. he found out that the kitten

heels, the pudding fingers, the inability to smile like a human being for more than ten seconds, that just won't cut it under the brightest lights in this country. quite frankly, america found out what floridians have known for a long time, that ron desantis is a cruel, craven, political operative who not only failed his own state but would be a disaster for this country. the more that america got a look at ron desantis, the more they saw books being banned, the more may saw curriculum being censored, businesses being punished for speaking out, politicians being placed in between patients and their doctors, the american people saw a man who drove good people, some of whom were my good friend, out of his state in search of basic civil liberties because he was so desperate to be president. ron desantis made his entire political personality about some soulless anti-lgbtq plus cruelty crusade. and not a single person was buying it. so he lost in perfectly

humiliating fashion, yes, this grin is going to stay on for a while, but the damage he has done in florida will outlast the blip he is on the political radar. i know floridians will be fighting for a long time to uproot his cancer. >> well said. i want to let you, charlie, listen to, you wrote a column saying ron desantis's biggest miscalculation. this was desantis' most fundamental miscalculation. rather than going for soft trumpers, desantis went for the hard core se. that meant continually moving to the right, embracing a reactionary pugilnd reactionary policies that he thought would wean maga loyaltiests, but they don't care about the policy or the legislation. they wanted the show. please say more. >> again, as joe scarborough said this morning, if you could go see fat elvis, why would you go to las vegas to see an elvis

impersonator. it was an indication ron desantis was not a man of political genius that he went to war with disney, he went to war with mickey mouse. yet, when he ran against donald trump, he could not figure out a way to run against a man who had more than 90 felony indictments who had been found liable for raping a woman, who had been twice impeached and tried to overturn the government. he couldn't figure out what can i say about him, how can i run against him? so he chose all of these other targets. he also made the calculation somehow if he made all the right enemies, if he checked all the right boxes that would be enough, but the reality was, the republicans had the real thing. they didn't need somebody who was stiff and boring and fake when they had the orange elvis out there. so again, there was part of ron desantis that is probably still shocked by the fact that

republicans still embrace donald trump. i think that ron desantis believed that if he was cruel enough, moved hard enough to the right, something would happen to move republicans away from donald trump. if he was indicted and charged, somehow that would break his hold on the party and it never happened. everything he did basically just blew up in his face. and by the way, i mean, he started -- he ended the way he started. he actually believed twitter was real life. a fundamental mistake, as fundamental as you can get. >> from the brief time i worked for a company called beverage marketing, look up the story of new coke and see how that went. people just wanted the regular coke. let me play you what he thinks went wrong. this is ron desantis trying to explain what went wrong. here he is. >> i would say if i could have one thing change, i wish trump hadn't been indicted on any of this stuff. >> i came in not really doing as

much media. i should have just been blanketing. i should have gone on all the corporate shows. i should have gone on everything. >> brandon, he thinks the problem is not that he ran a campaign against his own citizens and to try to destroy people in his state. he thinks that's not the problem. the problem is people didn't see enough of him. your thoughts. >> listen, you don't have to look much further than his own team, that at one point was saying the world needs to see less of ron desantis. if he's going to win the presidency of the united states of america, people have to see him less. you have to hide him, keep him off the tv. and the truth is that you talked about the damage that he's done in florida and the way that turned people off. there's a whole collection of people like ron desantis right now. right-wing politicians around the country who are desperate to climb those rungs of power that have been sold a false bill of goods. they were told by the think tanks, groups like the alliance defending freedom and the heritage foundation that all they have to do is be cruel enough to lgbtq plus people and

that will usher them in as the heir apparent to the trump dynasty, and they were wrong. over and over again, the american people have sent a very clear message that we actually really value freedom. we see it as an unconditional value worth defending, not some campaign slogan you can put on a personalitiless bumper and sell to us that we'll buy. the american people have said we believe people deserve the freedom to read, the freedom to learn, the freedom to go to the doctor, to love, to live without having to call our local congressperson first. we know that because elections in the last year, virginia, ohio, kentucky, anti-lgbtq politicians losing. americans say please stop focusing on culture wars and solve real problems. ron desantis was ron desantis's biggest problem, and the damage he's done in florida turned off the entire nation. >> let me play, probably the last time we're going to be able to play this montage. let's play a few lowlight of

cringy ron. >> i'm not a candidate so we'll see if and when that changes. >> what is that? yeah? that's probably a lot of sugar, huh? >> well, i'm here. all right. >> the politics has gotten crazy. >> don't back down. >> we won't. >> ron, we hardly knew you and we're not sorry about that. thank you to brandon wolf, charlie sykes is sticking around because up next on "the reidout," and then there were two. desantis' departure sets up a head-to-head primary fight between nikki haley and the cult of trump. how she measures up against trump and biden when "the reidout" continues. ve.

. okay, friend. today was the day i was supposed to be telling you about donald trump testifying in e. jean carroll's second defamation trial against him and how he ranted and raved and probably defamed her again, but a covid exposure suspended court proceeding. instead, trump spent the day consolidating republican support in new hampshire ahead of the republican primary tomorrow. it will get its second dose of karmic retribution now that ron desantis is out. the most anti-woman, anti-immigrant party in america, that helps refuse president biden curb an invasion at the

border that wants to turn every woman in america to a forced birth handmaiden. that party, now has a two-party race for the nomination. donald trump, with two dozen accusers and three baby mamas versing the brown woman who is the father of south eastern immigrants. haley's last woman standing status arrives as the men formerly challenging trump have capitulated to their former leader. tim scott misquoting fannie lou hamer. >> we need a president who will restore law and order. we need donald trump. we need a president who understands the american people are sick and tired of being sick and tired. >> i'm so sorry, ancestors. scott says that he is not ruling out serving as trump's environment despite the fact that as snl pointed out this

weekend, trump tried to let his last vice president be hung. senator scott seems to be making his best case, however, after complaining during his short lived presidential bid that the bachelor status was used against him to make donors nervous. he's fixed that by ostentatiously announcing his engagement over the weekend. not to be outdone in the pander game is another south carolina republican, nancy mace, also endorsed donald trump. he backed her primary opponent in 2022. as we know, every republican eventually bends the knee. trump is holding a rally right now or tonight with several of his other former challengers who have all bent the knee. with haley now his only republican rival, he's stepping up his birther attacks on her, but tim scott refuses to denounce the birther attacks on the woman who appointed him to senate, nor will doug burgm. he said it's just politics. it's hard to feel sympathy for the former governor of south

carolina as she debases herself, pandering to maga voters by claiming america was never a racist country, but you could give her credit for one thing. after this bizarre display from trump this weekend -- >> by the way, they never report the crowd on january 6th. nikki haley, nikki haley, nikki haley is in charge of security. we offered her 10,000 people. soldiers, national guard, whatever they want. they turned it down. they don't want to talk about that. >> presumably, he meant former speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. well, here's what haley had to say about this latest sign that something might not be right with trump's cognitive acuity. >> if you look recently, there have been multiple things. i mean, he claimed that joe biden was going to get us into world war ii. i'm assuming he meant world war iii. he said he ran against president obama. he never ran against president obama. he says i'm the one who kept security from the capitol on january 6th.

i was nowhere near the capitol on january 6th. i don't know what happened but it should be enough to send us a warning sign. >> back with me, charlie sykes, and joining me, erin hayes, msnbc contributor. erin, your thoughts on any of it? >> first, maybe this is a case on why we need to be teaching our country's history, because the former president seems to be rewriting it at the very least if it's not just a memory problem. but yeah, it is the south carolina of it all, even as we look forward to new hampshire tomorrow, you have tim scott backing predtrump, and not backing the person that made him a senator without even giving her so much as a heads-up he was going to do that, but of course, nikki haley is not the person the people in this party are afraid of. then you have nancy mace, who donald trump, you know, endorsed her opponent, and nikki haley endorsed her, and yet here now,

we have her also backing president trump. and all of this of course against the backdrop as you said in the lead up to this conversation, you know, he gets a break from the courthouse where he continues to denounce e. jean carroll, who he has been found civilly liable for sexually assaulting, and all of this really just is a reminder that we know who the former president is, we know who nikki haley is. who are the voters? and what are the voters going to say? and what does what they have to say say about where we are as a country, that we're okay with somebody who has these accusations standing over them, is saying these things about nikki haley that are racist, that are misogynist, and this is not apparently disqualifying at all for voters as he makes apparently his inevitable march to the gop nomination. >> not only unacceptable for voters, charlie, unacceptable -- not unacceptable for people who

want to be on his ticket. it's clear everyone is auditioning. tim scott, the wedding, that's an audition. they're all auditioning. let me let you listen to elise stefanik's audition because it was one of the most embarrassing. she's debasing herself as a woman by making this defense of donald trump's e. jean carroll problem. >> these are witch hunts against president trump, whether it's the bogus -- whether it's the bogus case from tish james who is a radical, who is a radical prosecutor. they are all witch hunts against donald trump. they're all witch hunts. they're all witch hunts against president trump. >> that isn't a mix-up, the reality is nikki haley is relying on democrats just like nancy pelosi to try to have a desperate showing in new hampshire. >> but he was talking about january 6th. >> president trump has not lost his step. he's a stronger candidate, stronger today than he was in

2016 and he was in 2020. compare that to joe biden's weakness. >> how is she doing on her audition, charlie? >> so, so thirsty, this is real a amazing. she's the woman republicans replaced liz cheney with. you want the trajectory of the republican party. look at liz cheney and said we would rather have her. what she is doing is clearly auditioning aggressively for this by proving to donald trump that she's not just loyal but she will mimic ask he says. she will defend anything no matter how indefensible. and the other day, she was defending his use of the term hostages to describe the january 6th rioters who beat up police officers. she defended his use of the phrase poisoning the blood in reference to immigrants. she's made it clear to donald trump, i will be your doppleganger. i will be your mini me. it is remarkable because she is this harvard educated, one-time

normie republican who has decided, who has embraced her inner opportunism so aggressively, and this is what donald trump wants. donald trump, when he's looking for a environment, what does he want? he wants somebody who will not exercise any independence or be unpredictable, who won't do what mike pence did. he wants somebody who will be absolutely reliable, who is not burdened by conscience or principle, and elise stefanik is saying me, that's me. i'm prepared to do anything. pick me. >> and she's not the only one doing it. tim scott is doing the same thing. i want to rd you, fannie lou hamer's quote, i'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. she delivered the speech in which that line was used with malcolm x a the williams institutional cme church in harlem, new york, in 1964. you can always hear the lon sob story. you know it takes time, for 300 years we have given them so long. i'm sick and tired.

that was delivered on behalf of black people who were hungry and thirsty for first class citizenship. tim scott to debase himself for trump, delivers it for trump. he's auditioning too, and even the wedding announcement, all of it. >> in the week we're celebrating the birthday of martin luther king jr. i'm sick and tired of people misquoting civil rights icons for the purposes of folks who are not espousing the policies and values that those icons had. certainly, i wonder what a fannie lou hamer would have to say if president trump or even a former president trump's campaign in this moment. i suspect that she would be sick and tired of a lot of what she's seeing in terms of the threat to our democracy in this country right now. >> to look at the endorsements nikki haley is still getting despite the fact she doesn't seem to be the strongest. she doesn't seem to stand by her principles or beliefs. here's judge judy endorsing her.

>> i'm not a trump basher. but chaos follows him. and right now, he's embroiled in legal, finance, personal, civil, criminal actions. you need someone who is totally focused on being president of the united states. i certainly don't think that she's a bully. i don't think that chaos follows her. i certainly don't think that she's unfocused because of everything else going on in her life. and i know that she is cognitively stable. >> nice little dig at the end. that in a normal world, charlie, would be a rational argument for choosing nikki haley over donald trump, but it ain't going to work this time, is it? >> we're way past that, and that formulation that chaos follows him, come on, he's the agent of chaos. it doesn't just happen to him. no, because what you're seeing in the republican party is this herd mentality, this stampede of the lemmings that is actually

even worse than what happened in 2016. i want to just go back to your point about the birtherism. you know, this is the sort of the conspiracy theory of donald trump. how he launched himself, by spreading the racist birther theory about barack obama. it was a real black mark on the republican party. now, he's bringing it back against nikki haley, and people don't even blink. it's not even a factor. it's not even the smallest speed bump. and to watch tim scott, who obviously knows her, who was appointed to the senate by her, who is also a man of color, and he basically is not willing to push back in the slightest way. this is an indication of just how deeply corrupt this party has been in its zeal to follow and protect donald trump. >> yeah, and very quickly, two-second answer, erin, which is the biggest detriment to

nikki haley? she's not going to get the nomination, but what is the biggest detriment, her being a brown person or a woman? >> yes. >> well done. charlie sykes and errin haines, thank you well done. >> still ahead, vice president harris kicks off a reproductive rights tour on the anniversary of roe v. wade as voters get ready to make their voices heard. we'll be right back.

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this election is a choice between try at risk free for 100 days. results or just rhetoric. californians deserve a senator who is going to deliver for them every day and not just talk a good game. adam schiff. he held a dangerous president accountable. he also helped lower drug costs, bring good jobs back home, and build affordable housing. now he's running for the senate. our economy, our democracy, our planet. this is why we fight. i'm adam schiff, and i approve this message. for 54 years they were trying to get roe v. wade

terminated, and i did it. and i'm proud to have done it. >> i'm the one who got rid of roe v. wade and everyone said that was an impossible thing to do. >> what i do by killing roe v. wade, which everyone said was impossible, it's a very powerful thing that i was able to get. i'm very proud of it. >> just in case anyone has forgotten, the end of abortion access didn't happen by accident. donald trump proudly appointed the conservative majority that fulfilled the christian rights 50-year dream of ending that constitutional right. today, on the 51st anniversary of roe v. wade, allow me to scare, because i care. if you think it can't get worse, you are wrong. in a second trump term, republicans plan to use the late 19th century comstock act, a law regulating interstate commerce to effectively ban abortion nationwide by prohibiting the shipment across state lines of not just abortion drugs but any tools doctors could use to induce abortion. in places like california, ohio,

and kansas where voters overwhelmingly support reproductive rights and protected it in their states, abortion would become effectively inaccessible. these anti-abortion extremists won't even need congress to end access t abortion. they also plan to use ways government agencies could reduce the procedure, that's the 2024 national plan. in the meantime, republican controlled states are looking for new ways to punish women and anyone who helps them. in missouri, they want to make it illegal for employers to assist employees in getting abortions out of state. at one point last year, a group of south carolinaepublicans were pushing for a bill allowing the death penalty for abortion. last friday wisconsin republicans submitted a proposal to get voters to back a 14-week abortion ban, further restricting abortion where it's already legal up to 20 weeks. vice president kamala harris was in wisconsin today, to launch a nationwide tour focused on reproductive freedom. and tomorrow, the president, first lady, vice president, and

second gentleman will headline their first joint campaign rally of the cycle, in northern virginia, a state that just handed control of the state's legislature to democrats after their governor, glenn youngkin, promised to restrict abortion access in the state. joining me now is the president and ceo of reproductive freedom for all. the organization formerly known as naral, pro choice america. always good to see you. want to put up headlines about the reality in post-dobbs america aft has fallen. a 10-year-old was denied an abtion in ohio because she was more weeks pregnant. an oklahoma woman had to wait l. a texas woman almostd for a texas woman with hypertension, diabetes, a history of pulmonary edema was never told that a termination could save her life. she died. your thoughts on how much worse it could get. >> you're spot on about needing

to scare folks because frankly, people don't understand how much worse it can get. it starts with the proposed national abortion ban, which by the way, i think it's important to note, nikki haley fully supports. she said it on sunday on face the nation on cbs that she would support a national abortion ban. i have to keep repeating it because she's portraying herself as a so-called moderate. even the moderate compassionate republicans fully embrace an all-out assault on reproductive rights, starting with a national abortion ban, but also as you said, the comstock plan could be devastating. and then you look at the case, the miepristone case going on in the supreme court, it's a back door abortion ban, even in states that have protected access. absolutely, it can get worse, and we have to really raise the alarm. that's what joe biden and kamala harris are doing this week. >> right, and we know the

administration has put in some national sort of rules that would make it easier to access birth control because understand that the far christian right also wants birth control to be illegal. they want that gone too. they're trying to do some things. if the president switches, people need to focus on and understand that all of those executive orders and things that the president can do at the executive level, that goes to trump. if trump were to win, he gets the senate and house too. it's an abortion ban, people. you're not voting for a friend that's going to move in with you. you're voting for harm reduction. you're not voting for your favorite human. you're voting for whoever is going to control whether you have access to your body. let's look at these states where it's already banned, abortion, or limited, and put the map up. it's already so broadly bng -- the right is already being so broadly taken away that i wonder if the fight on the other side has been robust enough at the state level. we're seeing even florida considering having a fight to get into the constitution.

is that what is going to need to happen, every state put abortion care access into the constitution? >> it's a great strategy and it's been a winning one for our side, but it's not possible in every state. that's the pragmatic reason why we still need to fight, not only to re-elect joe biden and kamala harris but to deliver a pro-reproductive freedom majority in congress so we can pass a federal bill, a federal law that would cover the whole country. my home state in texas you can't put a ballot initiative on the ballot because it goes through the legislature and there's a majority of extremist republicans, and that's one of the many states in a lot of trouble right now. we can't abandon those 21 states. we have to fight at every level, the municipal level, federal, and state level. the other thing i wanted to mention about donald trump, it's not just about reproductive right. it's also about democracy. this morning i was in new hampshire with our friends and the democratic delegation talking about the intersection.

and if we re-elect donald trump, it's also going to have disastrous consequences on our democracy, and our reproductive freedoms are intertwined. >> people should also understand if he gets back in, there's a likelihood that the older right wing supreme court justices like clarence thomas and alito will retire, so donald trump could put two more 30-year-old or 40-year-old versions of them on the court. that would be the end of not just reproductive rights but your rights, period. >> you know, this administration and chuck schumer and the senate democrats have worked overtime to make a record number of progressives through the judiciary. we cannot afford another term where donald trump isrhesus, bu courts are a clear one. not just the supreme court, but all those appellate courts, all those lower courts. matthew kacsmaryk, the person presiding over these disastrous cases, was the trump nominee. can you imagine if we had ten more matthew kacsmaryks?

we could not survive it. >> absolutely. we vote for harm reduction. it's rare you get to like who you elect. you don't always get the joy of a barack obama where it's fun and wonderful and you feel good. you vote for harm reduction, y'all. think about that. you vote for harm reduction. and the person in charge of the fbi. thank you very much. coming up, netanyahu firmly rebuffs president biden's push for a two-state solution as the death toll in gaza reaches a staggering 25,000 killed. more next. i work hard, and i want my money to work hard too. so, i use my freedom unlimited card. earning on my favorite soup. aaaaaah. got it. earning on that éclair. don't touch it, don't touch it yet. let me get the big one. nope. -this one? -nope. -this one? -yes. no. what? the big one. they're all the same size. wait! lemme get 'em all. i'm gonna get 'em all! earn big with chase freedom unlimited. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours.

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the israel/hamas war has reached another tragic milestone, with at least 25,000 dead in gaza, according to the palestinian ministry of health in gaza. the utter destruction continues with at least 50 dead today and more than injured in a strike on khan younis. the living conditions in gaza continue to deteriorate. there's still about 130 hostages likely facing these conditions as well. and their family members are losing patience. protesting outside the home of prime minister netanyahu and dramatically interrupting a meeting in the israeli parliament earlier today.

>> netanyahu met with families todayhem there was, e, n real proposal from hamas for a deal. according to an israeli government official, israel has ed a two-month pause in fighting in exchange for all the remaining hostages, first reported by axios, but hamas said it wouldn't release hostages without a permanent cease-fire. this comes as netanyahu is facing criticism for objecting the biden white house, while it's a diplomatic slap in the face to israel's best friend on the world stage, president biden, it's also not surprising. here is netanyahu way back in 1978, claiming that palestinians did not need a separate state because they were already a part of the arab nation. >> there is no right to establish a second one ony doorstep which will threaten my existence. there is no right whatsoever.

>> since then, he's flip-flopped just a little bit, backing a demilitarized conditional palestinian state in 2009 under pressure from newly elected president barack but in a last-ditch attempt one night before his 2015 election, he made it clear that there would be no state of palestine if he was elected. joining me is ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser and msnbc political contributor. i want to start at the last point. i have been surprised by the surprise. people have been asking shocks that netanyahu opposes a palestinian state. ever since i have noticed him on the world stage, that's been his position. is the biden administration in some false belief that he was going to go biden administratios truly in some false belief that he was going to go for that? >> i do not see how anyone can be surprised, he has been awake for the past decade or two. >> why three! >> really, this is absolutely absurd that people act like

this is some kind of news surprised that netanyahu sprung on this. reality is the only time that he ever came out for any kind of palestinian state. under pressure from barack obama in 2009, and then every turn when there is a peace negotiations during the obama years, he always stymied it. he was always unwilling to go and take any risk in pursuit of palestinians because he did not won one. even at the end of the obama administration in 2013, he wanted to campaign for reelection on the basis that he was the one who would prevent the palestinian state. it's not just that he opposes the creation, he actively works to prevent it to expand his settlements. that position has only hardened since the obama administration, just a couple of weeks before october 7th he appeared at the united nations and held up a map that did not have any west bank or gaza. who is just greater israel. that is the ideology, the pride of this government. that is what they even. that is who they are. they keep telling us who they are. and showing us who they are in terms of their agenda. and we continue to ex the prize when they deny us the comfort

of the talking point about the palestinian state. that will never happen with this prime minister in this israeli government. and the biden administration is going to have to reckon with that. you can't just talk about it, what are you actually going to do about it? >> and the awkwardness of watching john kirby awkwardly address a press conference in which he cannot seem to come to grips with netanyahu literally saying, we will control this land from the river to the sea. and him being asked by the reporter, we'll do you have a problem with this river to the sea slogan when he's saying it's? and you get a lot of how many have enough, from the river to the sea is literally in the coup party. it's in their charter. >> the basic point has to be that the position of the united states government, is there should be a two-state solution. unless that is change, and it has not changed. so therefore obviously the position of hamas is particularly it's unacceptable, because they don't accept israel's right to exist.

the palestinian authority does. and has been able to negotiate on the basis of a two-state solution. it's just the reality that this extreme right wing coalition does not believe in the palestinian state. and therefore the gap between the biden administration and this israeli government, it only grows as the time expects. there is a gap right now about the military operation, and the humanitarian task causing the fact that you can't get hostages rescued in the midst of the military operation only comes when there is been a pause in negotiations. then it expands when you're talking about what happens in gaza when it demands, hopefully sooner rather than later. there's a difference of opinion of who should administer it does that. the biden administration wants it to be some point of palestine administration, hopefully not hamas. they said the factors really controlled over the gaza strip for the foreseeable future. and it only grows when it comes to the basic question of whether there can be such a thing as a palestinian state. the problem is you cannot work backwards if you do not agree on the outcome. if you don't agree on where

we're going, how can we set a direction of removing them? and then yahoo, not only is willing to but, i do not, i live with eight years of him taking on barack obama. i'm sure that if he looks at the american calendar, his preferred candidate in the american election is not joe biden. and, so they just have to be clear and live in that reality. >> the other thing is, he has brazenly, because first of all he is a secular person. he started the talking and biblical terms. that video i showed he was 20 years old. and he now he's 77 speaking about the bible. that's not a thing that he would do. he is what these far-right, religious extremists who want settlements back in gaza. talk about the fact that we're also seeing things like blowing up a university in the gaza strip. stuff that you cannot justify as part of a war. and the biden administration really hasn't said much about that either. and obviously they have got this case in the u.n. that they are fighting on the issue of genocide? >> look, the reality is trump

wasn't particularly religious either. stop him from allying with the people in the previous segment that overturned roe v. wade. the reality is netanyahu made a deal to get back into the prime minister ship. he is facing prosecution and corruption charges. so he made a deal with some extreme right-wing figures. these were literally people that the national security minister, in the, pass would not allowed to be in organized politics. not just because of the settlement agreement. but because they're extremism. and these are, say the quiet part out loud, we talk about displaced palestinians out of hamas. those are the people that netanyahu is concerned about. not joe biden. because those people are protecting him from criminal prosecution. >> from going to prison. and we are out of time. but he is donald trump y'all! he is donald trump. that is who we are dealing with, donald trump. ben rhodes, thank you very much. we will be right back! back! let's find the right investments for your goals okay, great.

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