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good morning. 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific, i'm jose diaz-balart alongside my colleague ana cabrera. for a second hour of coverage, donald trump back on the attack after beating nikki haley in the new hampshire primary. >> haley insisting she will not drop out with her focus now fixed on her home state of south carolina. but first, the race heads to nevada. this is an unusual one. why trump and haley won't be competing there head to head. meanwhile, president biden easily wins new hampshire's democratic primary. we got exclusive new reporting that he could pick up a major new endorsement as soon as today. ♪♪ and today, former president donald trump is now one step closer to the republican nomination for the white house after winning the new hampshire primary. trump's victory marks the first time a nonincumbent republican
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swept both iowa and new hampshire since 1976. >> his opponent former u.n. ambassador nikki haley by 11 points. but minutes after the race was called, haley's message is clear. she is not going anywhere. >> at one point in this campaign, there were 14 of us running. and we were at 2% in the polls. well, i'm a fighter. and i'm scrappy. and now, we're the last one standing next to donald trump. >> meanwhile, the former president urged haley to exit the race and sharpen his attacks on her. >> she did very poorly, actually. she had to win. the governor said she's going to win, she's going to win, she's going to win. then she failed badly. >> joining us now, nbc news
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garrett haake, a lexi mccann none. and nbc news national political correspondent steve kornacki who just keeps going and going and going, like the energizer bunny. >> indeed he did. garrett, what's next for the trump campaign? what's the reaction for haley staying in the race? >> reporter: the trump campaign would very much like to close the book on this primary and start to focus on joe biden but they, specifically the candidate, just can't quick nikki haley. it's very clear her speech last night got under donald trump's thumb. he basically threw out a traditional victory speech and spent most of his time attacking nikki haley not on her record or policy where they differ, but in some places a muddled attack simulating things that might become part of dirty politics that we see leading up to the
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south carolina democratic primary. here's a little bit of nikki haley. i'll show you what i mean. >> just a little note to nikki, she's not going to win. but if she did she would be under investigation by those people in 15 minutes. i can tell you five reasons why already. not big reasons. little stuff that she doesn't want to talk about. >> reporter: jose, i don't know what he's talking about and i don't think trump's campaign necessarily knows what he's talking about there. they want to make haley's life miserable in the next month. they've made that very clear. they want to attack her on her record as a south carolina governor and they want to isolate her based on republicans are only with donald trump. and rinos, republicans in name only, supporting her. that's sort of the planned message. and anybody to basically destroy him coming into conflict we'll
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see happens over the next few weeks. >> jim, i believe it was new hampshire governor sununu who pointed out this is basically a race for two days. and look how much nikki haley closed the gap on donald trump. even though she didn't win, does she still show moment item on haley's side? >> reporter: i do, last night was a victory for both. donald trump scored a victory but not a decisive win. nikki haley came back at 2% in the beginning of the cycle and to almost 45. but she didn't quite get as close as she wanted to. but i think it's clear that voters want to see this debate going on here. i think that's what new hampshire voters want around the country. nikki haley dropped sharp contrast last week. we've got her home state of south carolina ahead. it's mid-january. this fight in 2016 lasts in late may. i don't see the rush to move us
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along here. let's have this conversation between haley and trump and see where we go. >> and speaking of south carolina, lexi, it's a far different landscape in south carolina than new hampshire. trump has picked up endorsements from lawmakers and senators. what is nikki haley facing in her home state. she was talking about the sweet state of south carolina. is it going to be sour for her going down in those primaries? >> yeah, look, south carolina is a huge challenge for nikki haley personally and politically. as you just mentioned a number of lawmakers and folks from south carolina have lined up behind trump. that's in addition to the remaining, most of the remaining primary challengers that he had lined up behind him. when you think about it, nikki haley is playing the long game. she played a smart campaign this entire time. if she loses in her home state of south carolina this year, that's not only detrimental to her campaign or campaign legacy
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this time, if she tries to run in 2028, that's certainly something to haunt her that we could use to cast doubt on whether her candidacy is stronger in 2028 than it is now. the next month is going to be grueling for her. i think we'll see a lot of changes between now and south carolina in which this primary might look different than it even does today. >> so, jim, my understanding, south carolina has open primaries. what does that mean? and does that help haley in some way? >> well, you're right, south carolina any registered voter can come out and vote. but the culture is different in new hampshire where we have a defined class of undeclared voters who are used to showing up and taking either a republican or democratic ballot. in south carolina, there just around enough voters accustomed to voting in a republican primary so it's open. but really open in name only. i don't know it's going to help her very much. she's going to have to win over
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republicans down there. she's got a month to do it. she knows those republicans, she was their governor, she has the opportunity. i think it will help on the margins. in the end it's a republican primary. >> but able to shift the focus to south carolina but donald trump could be testifying this week in his defamation trial in new york. is trump getting concerned getting bogged down by the legal his advantage?ning to use it 0 >> so far, jose, in the primary, the legal challenges trump has faced across the map has only served as rocket fuel for his campaign. you go back to early polling, march and april, that first indictment, really a separator between he and ron desantis there. i think there's an element of donald trump himself getting distracted. you look at his truth social feed, that will be the only thing he talks about for a couple days at a time. but the campaign has recognized that many of his supporters, traditional republicans, maga in places like south carolina, look at places to come after donald
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trump legally what he described it as as election interference, politically motivated. they can use that to rally support. it's untraditional, it won't work for any politician but donald trump in the primary campaign. >> alexi, you have a new piece on what the role of gender plays. does it play a role for voters? and how do you make of what haley is going at? >> yeah, haley is the one standing from donald trump for many reasons not the least of which we're watching this electorate reward a guy currently in court, and carroll, a jury found him liable of sexually assaulting in the 1990s. so it's really interesting to figure out how these folks are squaring both rewarding somebody like donald trump who is not respectful to women, to say the least. sand while also deciding that a woman in nikki haley is their
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second choice and preferred alternative. obviously, she's not making her womanhood or gender a piece of her campaign but she's showing a strong persona, saying how her femininity and that's an asset discussing abortion. but standing toe to toe, challenging trump to a debate which she's refusing, saying she won't drop out of the race which would have been the easy and politically expedient thing to do. she's really defining what it means to be a republican woman when most of what we see are congresswomen elise stefanik or marjorie taylor greene, he's maga women loyal to donald trump because that's the only type of woman he rewards. >> and, steve, looking at that new hampshire map, yesterday you were talking about nikki haley in that southern part of the state, didn't do that well. what is her going forward
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possible victory? >> yeah, it's tough to see, just because 25% of actual self-identified republicans voted for her last night. for donald trump it was 74%. and you can talk about independents, you can talk about moderates, you can talk about open primaries, but if you're losing republican voters 3 to 1 there is no path for you for the nomination. so that has to change for her. let's take a look, though. we can show you what the road ahead looks like on the republican side. here's the calendar of upcoming primaries and caucus us. you go to nevada, you're going to get into it later. it's a complicated story. but trump is getting the delegates because of that complicated story. a month from w, south carolina, 50 delegates at stake there. the rules change as far as delegates allocation. if south carolina there are seven congressional districts if you win a congressional district
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by even a vote, you get three delegates, all three from that district. if you win the statewide by even one vote, you get all of the at-large. 29 delegates. this is what trump did in 2016. 33% of the votes statewide. he got all 50 delegates. simply in a two-way race, you just have to be beating haley by a couple of points in those districts statewide, she could get 50 for 50 there. you see michigan it's a split here. a caucus, a primary. most of the delegates are going to be giving out in the caucus. same thing, 50% in a two-way race, somebody gets 50%. get 50%, you get all of the delegates. if trump is winning there by any margin like we saw in new hampshire. even if haley is close, she gets shut out of the delegates. and march 5th, this is the one that haley said she's going to no matter what. going through the list, it's a big list here.
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but how manych the states on this list have an electorate or could potentially have an electorate that looked anything like we saw in new hampshire last night that was very favorable to haley? maybe massachusetts, that's one of them. maybe vermont. that's another. virginia could be in that league but probably not as what we saw last night. then we get into a whole bunch of states here that demographically, something dramatic would have to change for haley to be in the game. i'm talking alabama, arkansas. you can talk about oklahoma, tennessee, north carolina. although that one is proportional. but that's the thing. a lot of these other states, too, are either win or take all states. and california, 69 delegates. the rule is california is simple. you get 50% plus one of the statewide vote. you get all 169. this is a two-way race. somebody is getting 51.1%.
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the most recent poll out of california had trump at 66%. by the way, california will be a closed primary so that further hinders haley. texas is the other big one that day. almost as big as california. not quite as stark in the rules as california. but again, the delegate rules are structured in the way in texas where you don't have to win by much to get the lion's share if not all of those delegates. >> again, 1215 delegates needed to win. thank you so much, garrett haake, alexi mccann none, jim marele and steve kornacki. and the next stop, nevada where trump and haley are not competing. >> and our guest explains the contest there and why he insists this state still matters. >> we are back in 60 seconds. ecs
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just won nevada. 100%. >> 15 past the hour. that was former president donald trump last night already declaring victory in next month's contest in nevada before anyone's gone to the polls. trump heads to las vegas this weekend where it's a very different process with both a primary and a caucus. joining us from las vegas, jon ralston, ceo of the nevada independent. good to see you, what's going on, why are republicans having both a primary and caucuses? >> well, you're far from the only person asking that question. there are a lot of republicans in this state asking that question, too. to make it simple for everybody, the state has a primary that was passed in 2021 by the legislature. we used to be a caucus state but it left open the possibility for
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the parties to decide themselves how they were going to allocate delegates. the republicans here in the party, which are controlled by um people, decided that they didn want to take a chance on a primary that has me-day registration and everydy gets a mail ballot, bng afraid that trump would not get as big a percentage as he could in a caucus controlled by a state party, they decided to break off. now, we have two elections. republicans are very confused why they don't see donald trump on their primary ballot on february 6. and that's because the state party forced candidates, including trump, if they participate in the caucus on february 8th, they are not allowed to be on the primary ballot. >> so who chooses? and how is the choice made from a voter's perspective whether they vote in the primary or the caucuses? >> so, voters can vote in either
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one that they want, jose. or they can vote in both, believe it or not, if you want to be even more confused. the only delegates are being awarded in the caucus which trump is going to win in a landslide. he's only up a long shot candidate in ryan binkley, so there's also very little trust in the people who are running the caucus to run it fairly because they're all in the tank for trump. but i think nikki haley who has described nevada as not being fair and is ignoring the state is making a huge mistake if she really is serious about staying in this race. as you mentioned, trump is going to be here this weekend. early voting for that primary actually starts on saturday. nikki haley is going to win that primary unless the republicans who support trump can stop her. and they are trying to stop her by urging people, and this starts with the governor who endorsed trump, to vote for this thing that we have in nevada
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that is weird and only in nevada. called none of these candidates. but haley's going to get a headline probably on the night of february 6th that says haley wins nevada primary. >> and just to reaffirm what you said, so you could conceivably vote twice, one day and then two days later? oh, boy. anyway, let me ask you about this, jon, according to a pew research analysis, latino voters making up 22% of the voters in in. the fourth highest in the country. what is driving latino voters to the polls? >> well, as you know better than anybody, jose, latinos are not driven generally by the immigration issue. in the republican side, to some extent, but they care about the economy. and as you know, the economy in nevada got crushed more than disproportionate to almost any other economy in covid because
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they shut down the las vegas strips, thus, shutting down the nevada economy. and a lot of the latinos work in the casinos, and those jobs did not all come back. so they're worried about their economic life. i think they think, to some extent, they've been taken advantage or patronized by democrats in this state who control the legislative process. and so, that is a cohort that the democrats here are going to have to work very, very hard to get back, both in the presidential race here, and as you know, we have a pivotal u.s. senate race as well. >> indeed we do. jon ralston, a pleasure to see you, my friend. john kasich probably knows how nikki haley feels this morning. he also came in second place in new hampshire against donald trump. that was back in 2016. he will join us next with perspective with when her campaign is likely talking about this morning.
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24 past the hour. this morning, "the wall street journal" editorial board is making a case for nikki haley to stay in the race for the republican presidential nomination. >> the paper writes "to make it a race, haley will have to toughen and expand her message. she's been reluctant to make a harder case against trump, lest she alienated him twice.
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let's talk about this with mark mckinnon, he's a former adviser to george bush and john mccain. and a former presidential candidate from 2016, john kasich. >> as a matter of fact, john, let's talk about that, in 2016, you actually ran, came in second in new hampshire running against trump and others. what are the conversations like, do you think, inside the nikki haley campaign this morning? >> well, look, the question is what is her goal? what is she trying to do? is she trying to redefine the republican party? for me, i went to south carolina because i was hopeful over time that we would deny trump enough delegates at the convention where people would pick somebody besides trump. when that opportunity disappeared, i then withdrew. but with haley, i mean, she's going to have a very tough time in south carolina. looks like all of the political forces down there, the establishment, have turned against her. and i don't know -- i just don't
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know how she can win in south carolina, it's winner take all. i think she has to figure out if she stays in, what is her narrative, what is her message. it's not good enough to say i'm young, he's old. he's losing his way when he communicates. that's not a good enough message. and if you read "the wall street journal" editorial, it talks about some of the issues she should seize on which is issues like trade. i'm not sure she's going to differ from trump with trade. but what is that vision? jose, what is that hopeful future? you know, a.i. that can help us solve medical problems. a.i. that can bring individual learning to individual students. there's such an opportunity to create excitement. the question is, is she willing to do that and hang in there. and are her donors willing to continue to support her? so a lot of discussion inside her camp, but she's got to get a narrative. >> mark, you say new hampshire put haley on life support.
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explain that, and if you were to advise haley this morning, what would you tell her? >> well, listen, i think she's got life. and she had a great speech last night. she has finally thrown caution to the wind. she's swinging from the fences now. and she had a very tough message on trump, his mental capacity, his mental acuity. she said it's a one-on-one race. she's showing real strength. the governor is right that north carolina is conventionally a trump-friendly state. i think something is happening there which is this, haley didn't poll well against trump there before now, just because they say, oh, we know nikki, she's not going to be president, we like her but -- trump, now that it's a one-on-one race, coming back into south carolina making it a real race, a ot of people would say, wait a minute, that's nikki, that's our girl. she's actually in this race. she's making it a race and i think there's a favorable surge
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for her. listen, a tough hill to climb. but i agree with the governor, she's making a bet now if she sticks in this thing, she's going to be very unpopular with the maga base. and i think she's making a case that trump will lose and resurrect the party are in 2028. >> it's interesting in new hampshire in the exit polling, 62% of the republican primary voters in new hampshire say they didn't consider themselves part of the maga movement. >> yeah. mark, you're talking about nikki haley's speech which you say is a great speech. i want to play for you a moment from donald trump's speech last night, featuring the former president and south carolina senator tim scott. take a listen to this. >> did you ever think that she actually appointed you, tim. and think of it, appointed and you're the senator of her state. and she endorsed me.
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you must really hate her. it's a shame. uh-oh. >> i just love you. >> that's why he's a great politician. >> mark, what do you make of that? >> well, what i make of it is she is going to get under his skin now. and it was not the kind of speech we saw after iowa, big tent, very positive looking forward. she is looking now really coming after haley. and it just shows that he's concerned. not the night he expected to have. her race, if you just watched and didn't know the outcome, you'd think she won the race. trump looked like the loser last night. to your point, i think there are real consequences last night to the race that shows there's a substantial number of republican voters who say they're not voting for trump. there's longer temperature consequences for the general election. >> mark mckinnon and governor
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john kasich, thank you both. up next, we have exclusive reporting on a major endorsement joe biden could pick up possibly today. >> stay with us on msnbc. you can't leave without cuddles. but, you also can't leave covered in hair. with bounce pet, you can cuddle and brush that hair off. bounce, it's the sheet.
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president biden is scheduled to speak at their conference in washington, d.c. >> this comes as two top biden aides including his top campaign manager jennifer o'malley dylan are leaving the white house to take on positions with the re-election campaign. joining us now, monica, how is the biden administration looking at trump's winning in new hampshire. >> reporter: well, all of this is very much connected, jose and ana. especially when you think about the fact that some of these changes on the staffing side are really happening according to the campaign because of the acceleration of what we saw from former president trump in terms of consolidating that support in the republican party. and that's exactly what president biden s in a statement overnight. in addition to his current mpaign manager julie travers rodriguez who put out a statement effectively saying that, and sort of setting off the launching bell to that general election saying tonight's results confirm he has
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all but locked the gop nomination and the election denying, anti-freedom maga movement has taken over the republican party. now, what's significant there, two white house aides who had been working with president biden for years that you just mentioned there are shifting from the white house back to the campaign, specifically, and we're told the reason that is happening now is because of this acceleration. but this is something that the campaign says was in the works. but it is really notable that it's happening this early. and the reason that i'm standing here today, here in washington, d.c., where we're going to be seeing the president speak to these autoworkers, it's really significant that he's expected to get this endorsement. this is something he had back in 2020. but there had been some question of when this backing was going to come. but remember, president biden became the first sitting president in history to join a picket line when he visited those autoworkers outside of
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detroit, michigan, last fall. we know that for months, the campaign has been seeking this kind of endorsement. the president likes to call himself the most pro-union president in history. and he wants to add to that kind of credibility when he speaks here later today. but there are still a couple other unions still making up their mind about who to back. but we do expect here in just a couple hours that the uaw will formally throw its support behind president biden, which is really key to some voters in states like michigan and wisconsin, critical battlegrounds, of course, in november. jose and ana. >> monica alba in washington, d.c., thank you. simone townsend former chief spokesperson for vice president kamala harris. and co-host of "the weekend" here on msnbc. simone, great to see you. this shift what does it tell you, what does it mean? >> well, it means to me, snowing how much the president respects
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and relies on them means that he's taking that campaign effort seriously and not up for grabs. and to me, it means some of the criticism that a number of democrats have logged concerns, if you will, have made known to the biden campaign and the white house is being taken into effect. what we need is organizing. if that posture, the biden campaign is in a very different position this time around in 2020. i was there, there was a little money, little staff when you don't have a lot of money, you don't have staff, that means you can't do the full breadth of organizing that you need to do. this is a very different position. he's a sitting president of the united states. he has the democratic national committee. they're raising record funds. right? now, you take those funds and put that on the ground infrastructure. there's been record investment
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in african american and hispanic media, digital media as well, but also television and radio vibes, that is important. but ads do not make campaigns. organizing does. you have to put todays on the ground in key states. >> you're talking about the general election. i do wonder is there any upside to nikki haley staying in the race? is she in the race and continuing attacks against donald trump? or is it better for democrats to move into a one-on-one setting and kind of push forward towards the general election? >> well, look, suspending a campaign is a hard and personal thing to do, that means running for president that means at some point in time you thought you could be the leader of the free world. now to them that person you should be the leader of the free world and sit that person down. that's a decision they have to make. >> what do you think nikki haley is going to do? >> i think nikki haley is going to do what nikki haley is going
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to do. the reality is while she's sharpened her attacks on donald trump's mental acuity, she said yesterday on another network, she feels donald trump is unfit to be president. nikki haley is not competing to beat donald trump. i don't know what she's doing. maybe she's waiting in the wings for fallout for him to be convicted, really convicted, if you will. but the way that the donald trump campaign has organized, and in advance of this election, they've not only changed the rules effectively with state parties like in nevada or in california, right, or in texas -- california where the biggest delegate grab is on super tuesday. they also also put and installed allies in the rules and bylaws committee in the rnc. what does that mean, when the convention happens, they meet at the beginning of the week to submit what the rules are when they submit the candidate. the way the trump organization has operated they're making sure there are no rules that are going to slip in there like the nominee can't be indicted,
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facing felony charges, or convicted. they're going to ensure that doesn't happen, so if donald trump has the numbers, he will be the nominee. >> so our colleague jacob soboroff spoke with college students in new hampshire who shared their skepticism of voting for president biden. here's part of what they had to say, listen to some of this. did you write in president biden's name today? or did you vote for somebody else. go for it. >> i wrote in cease-fire. >> reporter: that's a campaign to write in cease-fire in support of the cease-fire in gaza. did you all write in cease-fire? >> i did. >> reporter: cease-fire? cease-fire? >> now, yesterday, the president was at a campaign rally where he was interrupted 13 times, criticizing his handles of the israel-hamas war. how worried should the biden campaign be about that kind of statement? >> i think they should be worried, but it is not to the
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point where all is lost, right? i think that, i read somewhere, i think it was an column from npr yesterday noted that biden allies had suggested this fervor around cease-fire and what is happening to the palestinian people in gaza is going to blow over. i think that's bad advise to give the president and terrible advice for a campaign strategist. this is similar to 2014, 2016, when the black lives matter advocates were interrupting candidates saying it's going to blow over. it didn't. what they're looking for, candidate to be heard and disrupting because they felt as though the campaigns is not listening to them, that they did not understand that perspective. so, here, i think it's something similar. last week, vice president harris did "the view." there were topics about the white house and all of them,
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except what she said with the war happening in hamas and israel. i think that was a really good answer. she spoke people issue. the president has been interrupted but put it in places where he can demonstrate that he's hearing people and listening, because those people don't think he is. >> good to see you, congrats on the new show. >> watch symone over saturday and saturday, 8:00 a.m., it's always a pleasure to you right here and every weekend. >> i love you, guys. >> i love you, too. parts of consider recovering from devastating flooding, almost a foot of rain is expected to drench parts of the south. we're live in houston, next.
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and severe threats in the south and more snow and ice in midwest and new england. people in san diego are cleaning up after a storm dropped several months worth of main in a matter of hour. in mexico, heavy rains leading to significant flooding in the border city of tijuana, nbc's morgan chesky is joining us. morgan, what is the latest? >> reporter: ana, jose, it's been a rainy morning and night in houston. we were keeping an eye on the flood watches, because it was in effect not just here but various watches in effect for up to rhode island all part of the system that put 44 million americans under flood alert. and the danger isn't over yet. this morning, millions on alert, agency.wild winter weather continues. while many are still recovering from that deep freeze, flooding now on the horizon for the south and east coast, some areas
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already getting battered. texas soaked with relentless rain. >> standing in about seven inches deep. >> reporter: in the houston area, boil water advisories now affecting at least two water systems, the storm also barreling through louisiana. lake charles expecting dense fog, according to the national weather service. this is extreme weather and freezing temps have struck much of the united states. freezing rain making for treacherous conditions in the midwest and lower great lakes region. slicking over icy roads. a heart-stopping rescue scene in arkansas. body cam video released tuesday shows a police officer crawling on frozen ice oveekend saing a child who had fallen in a pond. officials and neighbors all coming together to help rescue loved ones. >> we had to break the window to rescue my dog. look how high the water is. >> reporter: authorities now
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blaming at least one death on the storm as the massive cleanup gets underway. >> we are grateful. life goes on. the most important thing is we have our lives and we can rebuild. >> reporter: nationwide, this series of winter storms has claimed at least 75 lives. 30 of those coming from the state of tennessee alone. we know memphis had its water system impacted by the dangerously cold temperature. as of yesterday, that boil water advisory has been lifted. >> morgan chesky, really important, thank you for that. up next, chuck todd lays out the state of the race. he told us last week new hampshire was a must win for haley. what's ahead for her now? (male friend) rachel, you okay? (rachel) no, i live with a broken phone i can't trade in. (female friend) okay, that's dramatic. a better plan is verizon... everyone can trade in their old phone, and get the new samsung galaxy s24+ with a.i. on them.
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granite state, haley's path gets harder, not easier after new hampshire. >> joining us now, chuck todd. it's good to see you. after iowa, when we were talking, you said if she can't beat trump in new hampshire, you don't know where she could. do you still see it that way? >> yeah. that's the problem. it was the recipe for her was an open primary that allowed independents to vote in it. throw in the fact it's a moderate electorate in general. this is a state that elected a republican governor, an endorsement she had. it was everything she could have had go her way. the rules of who votes. she came up short. >> and yet, her campaign is saying, look at super tuesday. there are states that look like new hampshire. >> sure. but they don't look like that. it really is only massachusetts and michigan that have the type of independent voter that might
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show up at a primary. donald trump won republicans in new hampshire 74%. she cannot win a republican primary anywhere in the country if she's getting 25% of the vote. >> what's her play going forward? where is the possible light? >> i guess the question is, what does she want? in theory, the light was south carolina. she was governor two terms. does she want to be -- does she want to preserve a future in a republican party led by donald trump? does she believe she has one? these are the calculations tim scott has made, some other folks have made. does she want to be the leader of the anti-trump wing of the gop? hope that -- do what ted cruz attempts to do, not endorse, and say i told you so, except cruz made a bad bet and trump won. what does she want? if she decides to make this a crusade to fix the party, it's going to be trump will be brutal
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on her, it will come with a price, but it could be the most -- keep her viable politically if trump loses the general. >> what about trump's legal issues? >> it's a reason to stay in. do i think if somehow trump -- there we enough republicans to say, we shouldn'tominate this guy, that they hand it to haley, i don't know if would be haley. in theory, that's a reason to stay in. >> explain why that could be -- >> she has delegates and there's a delegate fight at the convention. if we are at a point where he has been convicted and enough delegates want to open up this conversation, there will be other candidates inserting themselves. i'm not convinced that a conviction is going to cost him this nomination. it's going to cost votes. the biggest takeaway from new hampshire is that donald trump can't carry new hampshire in the general election.
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new hampshire is the type of state -- he didn't carry it in '16. but it tells me, if he is going to lose a slice of the independent voters, a slice of the never trump republicans, that's a formula for losing the general. >> i will always be a republican. but i am slowly losing my party. i want to know how i can get it back. >> are you ready to accept this choice of trump versus biden? >> still hopeful. >> what are you hoping for? >> it's not donald trump. >> is that something you think is widespread? >> we see it in the polls that it is -- there's a bunch of people that don't want this matchup that you see. i don't think it's enough -- clearly, not enough of the voters in a republican primary. if they weren't available in new
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hampshire, they're not available anywhere else. i think the next three months are filled with trial balloons of third party candidates that say -- that doesn't mean they will pop. i think now that's the vacuum that's going to be filled. there are enough voters like those voters. >> who would throw it out? >> you saw it. larry hogan wouldn't rule it out. joe manchin not rule it out. the problem they have is, i don't think a recovering politician is the type of person to run as a third party. you need someone like arnold schwarzenegger and he is not eligible. thanks for being here. >> thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," it's donald trump's party. the former president winning three-quarters of the republican vote in new hampshire. dominating nikki haley who won most of the independents but not
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