transaction leader that the biden administration, in the best way, where there is a back and forth. they just came, with a pause exports of natural gas. now, this is not making huge headlines but it is an enormously important thing for climate folks. we are very focused on this, right? here is a place where they won this. and that is going to matter a huge amount to that coalition. >> absolutely, is another part of the reporting in the book. this coalition building was not only in the sense of bringing the party together in the election, but also forging relationships between the biden progressives. we talk about camilla jayapal, and you see figures like ro khanna as a progressive legislator who potentially could've been the presidential candidate in this cycle. and who says that the, who says the, excuse me, who said that this was a very big win for the climate.

it was a big win for the climate movement. >> not just for the movement, but the world. it is a good policy, thank you, hunter walker and hunter -- the truce, wherever you get your books. it's a good one. that is all in on this thursday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now with alex and south carolina and my friend in new york. take it away, to you first, alex. >> three msnbc host for the price of one. this is history right here, thank you, chris. as you say, i am in charleston, south carolina where it's been time with the governor of california, gavin newsom, getting a sense of the state of play as he sees it in the potentially general election matchup between biden and trump, we are going to have some clips of that interview to play for you momentarily. first, i will send it up to new york, ayman, so take it away, my friend. >> thank you very much. we will be talking later on throughout the show because you will give us a big preview and the very latest on the 2024

presidential race and the perspective from south carolina. we do want to start with the front runner here in new york. the republican primary was once again in a new york courtroom. this afternoon, trump took the stand in the damages case brought by writer, e. jean carroll. the former president has already been found liable of sexual abuse and defamation by a civil jury. trump, today, testified for only three minutes. but in those three minutes, believe it or not, the judge had to tell the jury multiple times to disregard trump's out of order testimony. at the same time, trump was taking the stand. there was a split screen, a jarring split screen. president biden was hitting the campaign trail at a campaign event in wisconsin. president biden touted the five billion dollars in new infrastructure investments that came as part of his bipartisan infrastructure law. he also got two brand-new economic numbers that came out today, showing the u.s. economy

grew at a record pace last year. biden is hoping to make this campaign about his accomplishments, and this is really the split screen moment that he wanted. trump is hoping to make this campaign about retribution and revenge for those seeking to hold him accountable for what he has done to our country, and in so many ways, this is also the split screen moment that he wants to. despite the long shot campaign of nikki haley, both trump and biden are kicking off their general election campaigns. the person who has emerged us joe biden's top campaign surrogate this year, is none other than california governor, gavin newsom. last year, newsom undertook a national campaign to challenge republican governors across the country, and highlight their extreme agendas in video ads and roadside billboards. that campaign led to a lot of speculation, particularly in right-wing media. that newsom himself was looking to possibly become the

democratic nominee in 2024. but gavin newsom turned the speculation on its head, he took all of that media attention and used it to promote joe biden's reelection. he went on fox news, primetime, defended biden's record on issues like immigration and the economy. he debated presidential candidates like ron desantis, live on fox, helping to accelerate the disastrous collapse of desantis's candidacy. and now gavin newsom is in south carolina, the state where president biden is kicking off the democratic presidential primary and where trump hopes to put an end to the republican presidential primary. as we mentioned at the top of the show today, alec sidon with governor newsom and he told her that despite polls showing a tight race, he's very optimistic about democratic chances come november. >> progressives, republicans, independents, whoever, might be a bit stunned that you have an incredible feeling of wellness, is that it?

well being? >> getting on the campaign, we just started, we are it. democrats, isn't this great? we don't have to watch trump 24/7 in this primary where they will find it in terms of the debate, reacting to it every single day. we are now on the campaign trail. first primary, nation's first primary, february 3rd, elections today, tomorrow, this weekend, it is february 3rd. early voting. this is what it is about. it is what we are best at. because we keep crushing. it democrats keep crushing. it look at all of the elections that you have one, democrats, to keep winning, you keep outperforming. it's extraordinary. patrick selves on the back. our values, our universal values, our policies, begrudgingly celebrating and accepting the governor here in the state last night. he talked about this new ev investment and his state, really? mr. governor that tried to oppose that? sitting there with trump? they can't even help themselves. but their beneficiaries to all

of this because that is a character indecency of the democratic party that we support people, in the election. >> alex and governor newsom also talked about the republican primary race, ron desantis is a big exit, and the field efforts to take on trump within his own party. >> can we just talk about ron desantis. i will allow you a moment before, that the mic is yours, does he have a political future anymore? >> i think he's saying it by dropping out. >> really? >> i think he did. i think if he continued on, if he continued in, i don't think that this is halle's big consideration, it has, to be i was going to get trump in his own state. last time i checked, and we did that debate, it was about 40%. desantis wasn't out in his own home state of florida against trump. so i think from that perspective, just on a humanizing level, having spent a bit of time studying him for some time, he's a different guy now. i saw him on a video, i was like, who is that guy?

he seemed so wind up. joyless. and you know, you can say what you want about trump. he seems a little less wound up. he is winding up in terms of his rhetoric and a little more entertaining in that respect. you have got to know your why. i never felt like he had a why. >> do you think the primary thing was an exercise in futility? was it always going to be donald trump? >> with trump in the race you are going to try to somehow deconstruct and connect and attach yourself to trumpism with trump in the race and sort of take it from him. and no trump -- i mean, the premise of it is rather -- i don't mean this was a cheap shot but rather delusional. it is just a political analysis. and it is fact based on the evidence. maybe he thought he would be convicted earlier for a crime. i don't know what they were thinking but it is so predictable. all of this is predictable. with respect to nikki haley, i

don't know any state that she can win let alone her own state. i appreciate her state of mind saying that maybe, i assume, let's play this for the next few weeks and see if we could close the gap a little bit. so if i continue to raise some money and if we can close the gap and stay within single digits maybe i will risk losing in south carolina but then picking up delegates on the way. stick around the rim of the basket and see of the ball falls off around the convention. >> see if the rupture comes. >> but i think if she is down 20 to 30 points in a couple of weeks, what would be the political benefit of a former governor to lose her home state? >> the humiliation is pretty acute. >> i don't think that she would do that. there's no sunset she would drop out but i see no signs that she has any chance whatsoever. >> joining me now from south carolina is the host of alex wagner tonight.

former communications director for the obama white house and hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign. alex, i will start with you. it is quite remarkable because i cannot think of another politician in america who commands so much authority as a political analyst, as governor newsom does. he says it right there in that we played. if nikki haley wants to win she needs democrats and independents to show up for her like they did in new hampshire. even bigger numbers that is highly unlikely right. no but give us a sense of how it feels on the ground there. >> first off i will say that i've always wanted to be a guest on this show so this is a gold star day for me. but to your question, amen, in addition to interviewing governor newsom i spend time with jaime harrison, and a get out of the event in south carolina because i just happen to have a few extra hours. it was really interesting. there were a lot of democratic

strategists and people in the corridor who were talking about this rupture strategy. nikki haley could stay in it and she is the only person with electors and the only person who can step in if trump is convicted or is somehow behind bars are taken out. there is nobody here that is talking about that. nikki haley, the only mentioned that we heard of nikki haley at this democratic event, and the, gonna key haley would need democrats and independents to turn out for, which is something i think everyone understands mathematically. the only mention of her in south carolina was the fact that she closed rural hospitals. democrats understand, democratic voters, it seems, understand that we are in the general election. and the contrast that is being drawn right now is between trump and biden and the focus of the remarks that i heard from mr. harrison today were let's remember 2020. let's remember the sense of hopelessness. the feeling of your soul being crushed by covid. but also just being

disenfranchised and the political system and let's remember what joe biden has done in the last four years, three years. let's look at the way that your vote has helped change this country in a very short time. i think that that is not just, of course, a reminder of the legacy of the biden thus far, but a real desire to enfranchise the voters who would be key to biden success in all of this and to encourage them to get off of the sidelines. to make it as much about them as it is the incumbent president. i thought that that was very interesting. the idea that somehow south carolina voters are talking about this nikki haley candidacy lasting until the convention, as i saw it here, that was not happening. >> the question to you is based on what alex had heard. do you see her staying in this race even if she loses south carolina? does she have any incentive

whatsoever to stay in this race beyond south carolina? >> yeah, the governor identified the reason why you would do, it which is stay in until super tuesday with the thought that on super tuesday, a lot of these states are winner-take-all but not all on super tuesday so that she could have delicate on that day and then if the rapture comes, something happens, she is perhaps better positioned the convention because she actually has delegates that she earned to try to win over other delegates. so, i mean, i suspect having been, in presidential campaigns, most of the ones that i worked on, that's not true, not all of them lost, but a lot -- most of them had to drop out at some point. barack obama, he won. bill clinton, he won. but -- >> don't sell yourself out like that, jim. >> i'm just trying, you, know the point, is i know about losing and having to decide when to drop out. and it is very hard to do. coming out of new hampshire,

you are exhausted. i think that her team is probably pretty amped up and motivated. and happy now. she did this, she put out this t-shirt, because trump had a truth social post that said if you give money to her will be permanently barred from anything having to do with trump ever again. so she put it on a t-shirt, she saw the t-shirts, today in south carolina, she was hot, i, mean she really went after him in a way that we have not seen, and i think that they might try to see where does -- you, know that can feel great in the moment, and they have to, the next two weeks, look and see where we really, and what makes sense, losing in your home state is unattractive and it is also an attractive to get out before your home state and to get out before super tuesday, if you have come this far and you want to try to win some delegates on super tuesday so that your position, in case something happens, and they pick a new convention. it conventional nominee. i guess it was her enron desantis's strategy all along.

because her strategy was not, it doesn't appear to be ever to take trump on until this moment. >> some people are probably watching her now and showing this fight that she has against trump and going after trump and wondering why in the world to not showcase this before? why are you doing it now when you are on the cusp of being knocked out of this race. but i do want to go back to the governor for a moment. because you talked about how he engages with right-wing media. which is quite a master class, if you will. really going into the heart of conservative media. fox news. debating are unscented. as i would argue effectively knocking him out of the race for anyone who is watching the live debate. but what did he have to say the vote that in this decision to do that? >> yeah. he is a singular figure in the democratic world. not just because he will go on fox, but he seems to relish the pugilism, if you will. and i sort of ask him about whether that was -- to what effect all of that. this is what he had to say.

>> do you feel like you are making a difference when you go on fox news? >> i don't know. >> that is decidedly less bullish -- your father in law knows that. >> family dinners, aria. >> i'm not saying that critically. >> everybody wants to love and to be loved. this fundamental notion. man, we are all human beings. and i have love and respect for people i disagree with. i don't want to talk down or past anybody. i want them to listen as, well. i am listening to fox. i do listen. it is hard. it is demoralizing sometimes, as well. but the misinformation and disinformation is next level. i figure, okay, you could be in denial, accepted, and just say that is not the world i live in. well, there is no lead on your side of our boat. we are all in this together. and we have to cross pollinate and we have to -- divorce is not an option. sorry, marjorie taylor greene, whoever said. that is not an option, weekend

for that. so, getting on those platforms, showing that i can respect by showing up, and then asserting myself because i do think that we have to disabuse ourselves and we will actually win by stating all of these facts at the beginning of the conversation and statistics. we have got to get into the zeitgeist of how people are feeling, and we have got to pushback, we have got to get back. >> do you think president biden should -- >> i wonder if i should do anything more after the last appearances. so i will leave that to president biden. >> i was surprised a how honest he was. it can't be that fun to go into the lions done like that. but he understands the fundamental utility of not ignoring a sizeable portion of the american electorate. it sort of sounds -- but i guess, look, i understand where he is coming from in so

far as someone has to do it. he clearly does not think that president biden is necessarily the person to do, it but jen, what do you think, whether this is something democrats need to do more of? >> i think he's right and questioning the utility of it in terms of moving fox viewers to the democratic side. i think what is valuable is the kind of thing that democrats like to watch. we like to watch and because gavin newsom is so effective and deconstructing their argument and showing the flaws in it. he fights back, and it is good for democrats to fight back. i think it is invigorating for democrats, to see a democrat fight back on fox news. whether you are convincing fox viewers, whether he's actually moving their viewers, i don't know. i would be really interested to see a focus group that did that. because my concern is that they

have so much in the different ecosystem that he is not going through in the way that you would, and that you would like, but i think that there are people who watch fox news, who can be persuaded, and it is a big audience, and i am a fan of people going on including the president. you just have to be careful about what you do, because the orchestrated so that they can use whatever you say to produce misleading shows for the next five days. so, you know, it's tricky. >> suggesting that fox manipulates what politicians say seems very on brand. thank you so much. alex, stick around, we will talk more because we will have more of your interview with california governor, gavin newsom. after the break, we will hear what the border state governor has to say about the republican legislators, deciding that it might be better to not legislator do anything whatsoever, not if it hurts donald trump's campaign, that is next.

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immigration is a big deal, a big deal, a very big deal. millions and millions of people flowing into our country illegally. it's killing our country. >> just minutes into celebrating his victory in the new hampshire primary on tuesday, donald trump underscored the policy issue he is taking his campaign on. you heard it there. immigration.

republican voters have so far agreed that immigration is in fact a very big deal. new hampshire and iowa republican voters and caucus goers flagged immigration is the issue that matters most to them second only to the economy. such a big deal that four months congressional republicans insisted that they would only support legislation that send more aid to ukraine if it was paired with strict border security laws. that's how big of a deal it was for them. until this week, of course, when after weeks of negotiations with congressional democrats and the white house, the senate was finally on the precipice of a real border security bill. donald trump pushed to pull the plug on it. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell cast doubt on the border deal, telling fellow republicans, we don't want to do anything to undermine trump. earlier today, alex interviewed border state governor gavin newsom of california about senator rob weakens willing to

to torpedo their border deal so trump can keep running on his border chaos. >> mitch mcconnell, i thought that was shameful. they just completely recapitulate-ing. don't even get me started with the weakness of the current speaker of the house. they don't want to deal. they don't want to deal. they don't want to make this quote unquote campaign win for joe biden. everything you need to know about the fraud that they are perpetuating on the issue of the border. they want to make this a political thing. they have wanted to make it ever since there were a few brave souls in that gang of eight. if we all remember those. >> i'm old enough to remember them. >> and ever since there, they just walk away. they run away. the first day he was in office. not the next day. the same day he gets sworn in he puts out a comprehensive immigration plan. and yet he didn't have a counter, no strategy, in terms of the republican party, even in combatting that they just wanted to kill it. they didn't want to engage.

14 billion dollar proposal. 14 billion dollar. that's his latest proposal to address their stated issue border security. 2300 new border patrol agents. another thousand in addition to that to deal with fentanyl. close to another billion dollars, 850 plus million dollars, just for new technology. and then address some of the issues that backlog in asylum to address those that are here waiting for asylum claims. they won't touch it. they don't want to solve this problem. they want to use it for political purposes. i say this is a border state governor who has introduced me to this issue. where the largest port in the western hemisphere in the state of california. we live this. and i think it is a disgrace where the republican party is doing, what donald trump is doing. it is hidden in plain sight. he sent out a tweet or whatever saying kill it. those guys are so weak. it's so pathetically weak. this republican party. the new speaker said oh yes sir

what else would you like us to do? we don't care about america. we don't care about our freedoms and liberties. we care about politics exclusively, at the expense of the american people. it's all we care about is winning for winning's sake. that is shameful. >> back with me for south carolina, alex wagner. alex, a very impassioned argument being made there by the governor. i want to ask you about that because we've seen the recent polling that shows registered voters trust republicans with the issue of border security more than they trust democrats. you've got this new york times siena college poll registered voters in six battleground states showing the voters specifically trust donald trump to do a better job on immigration than joe biden. but the question to governor newsom's point, can american voters consistently reward republicans on this issue of immigration, this political issue, when republicans are the ones tanking border legislation? will this wind up hurting republicans? >> i think it's a sort of signal moment here, the idea that they would put naked

political game ahead of a problem they say is intractable and the demise of america, there is poisoning the blood of the country, and then it would be so naked lee partisan i think is a searing referendum on the modern-day gop. to be honest, i'm a little surprised that this story even leaked, because it makes republicans who support trump look so bad. this is not a border deal. we don't know exactly what was in it, but from the initial reporting that we have, it was not a deal the democrats really liked. it was in exchange for funding ukraine. i honestly think this moment plays very well for president biden, who starts his presidency with a comprehensive immigration plan. it goes nowhere. he basically plays with the republicans on their terms, and they scuttle it because it's not going to help trump, or it could help brighten and therefore hurt trump in an election year. it's so craven as to almost

seem like a democratic plot. unfortunately, i think this is literally run this say. donald trump was effectively betrayed the country, just in an amicus brief in support of donald trump's bid to stay on the ballot in the 40 the moment case is going to the supreme court. this is a man whose wife, donald trump personally attacked in racist terms. there is no standard anymore. there is no red line. so i guess this is what you get. but in an election year, man, i think this hurts him on an issue more than they say they do. >> to take a page of the governor's book and drive home that point that they were to stand in the way of border security and it's nothing more than lip service from the republican party. >> indeed. in a way biden never has to actually present the bitter

pill to democrats to get it passed. he can sort of say i'd try really hard and it's all their fault and they don't wanna move on this. i think the independents and swing voters who see the transparent pattern there, it's devastating whenever immigration comes, up this is gonna be the biden campaign's retort. >> a capitulation of dawn of the party to donald trump is underway. alex, thank you so much. great to see you. i know you'll be back here tomorrow hosting this show from new york. i will keep the chair warm for you, my friend. >> thank you so much for doing the work, ayman. i appreciate. you >> take care, my friend. still ahead, we will talk to the bulwark to miller about what happens if republicans do tag this border deal, as a matter of policy and as a matter of 2024 politics. that's coming up next. fasenra is an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma

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writer-at-large for the bulwark, and an msnbc political analyst. tim, thanks for making time for us. we've got house republicans forcing strict border measures into a deal for ukraine funding, which democrats and some republicans were adamant about. now they're trying to blow up this whole deal because it might make joe biden look good politically, and i guess the question is, does the hypocrisy of taking a deal they asked for actually register or matter to republican voters? >> i don't think it matters or they wouldn't do it. i think the majority republican voters are on board with whatever donald trump wants. the question is, is there a minority of donald trump voters, a minority republican voters, that could be convinced about republicans absolutely shameful abdication of their responsibility by democrats but. i'm not actually the biggest gavin newsom man, but i was

pretty impressed with his messaging in that last segment. i think making an argument that the republicans care about donald trump's wins more than they care about the border, more than they care about ukraine, more than they care about the american people, is a very compelling argument for democrats to make to the minority of republicans, soft republican voters, who do genuinely care about this stuff. there are a handful of them out there. not enough to defeat donald trump in a primary, but enough to make a big difference in a general election. i think, ayman, it's unbelievably cowardly we, in shameful, mitch mcconnell, my god. this was, ukraine was the one thing that he pretended that he cared about. yeah, there shouldn't even be a deal. i don't even understand why immigration is tied to ukraine in the first place. miss mcconnell and the republican senators to be working with the democrat senators to give ukraine the weapons they need was no strings attached.

but if they're going to demand an immigration, which is nothing to do with ukraine, be tied to it, at least negotiate in good faith. if they won't do that, democrats need to shame them in order to cleave our voters they do care about this. >> we have seen this time and time again. i think about police reforms and tim scott negotiating in good faith with democrats and kept getting delayed until there was nothing. i keep wondering to myself, how long or why did democrats continue to play this game with republicans? as you said, you're raising an important question, why was ukraine tied to immigration in the first place? maybe because democrats felt they could expose the republicans or actually make a deal. once again, we see that blowing up in their face the republicans are not sincere about making a deal. this has all fallen apart. can democrats effectively run on the message that you and governor you some are highlighting, that republicans are sabotaging legislative deal after legislative deal? >> i think so. especially if it's tied to trump.

this notion is baked in with swing voters, the trump only cares about himself. if democrats can be the case that they're just a cult in service to trump, they don't even care about what they claim to care about, i do think that that is going to resonate with certain voters. going back to strategy, i think democrats should play greater hardball on us. we are coming back on the next budget deal in march. a democrat out of massachusetts more this morning argue the democrats shouldn't bail republicans out of their budget mass. if the republicans can't put it together, can't put together a budget to keep the government open, maybe the democrats should extract things from the republicans if they're going to bail them out, as they have had to do ever since kevin mccarthy and then mike johnson gone in charge. ukraine could be an issue for that. some of them were liberal or democratic agenda items when it comes to the border, could be included in that, or other issues. >> why do you think mitch mcconnell did what he did?

as you said, he was bullish on ukraine. he does want to help ukraine. he claims he cares about ukraine, he distance him self from donald trump politically, he has not been a person who has heeded donald trump's demands on legislation in the past. he's ignored some of it. now he's ready to do what trump wants. why? >> because he's unbelievably weak right now. mitch mcconnell has always been a power player. whether you like him or not, he has always been somebody that has control of that republican conference and feels like he's in charge. he's not in charge now. he has been run over. the party did not follow what he wanted to do over the past two years. he's out of touch with what the base wants. obviously he is aging. and suffering for a variety of reasons he doesn't produce any more. i hope you find. it if this is, i do think this is it from mitch mcconnell. i think he's gonna retire or

someone will replace him. if you're going to retire, at least go out with some dignity. mitch mcconnell is a cynical guy but there are a few things he cares about, and i would hope that he finds some backbone in the next few weeks instead of getting run over by a third rate realest eight guy out of new york. it's crazy how pathetic mitch mcconnell looks right now. >> i was gonna say, he can take a page out of mitt romney's book as he leaders senate in standing up for what he believes is the right thing to do. tim miller, thank you so much for your time. up next, on alex wagner tonight, a peek inside the courtroom where donald trump testified today. we will get the latest from someone who was inside, next. jordan's sore nose let out a fiery sneeze, so dad grabbed puffs plus lotion to soothe her with ease. puffs plus lotion is gentle on sensitive skin and locks in moisture

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trump took the stand today to defend himself, i guess, in the civil trial, to decide how much he should have to pay for defaming writer e. jean carroll. james turnstone iana lasted about three minutes, but believe in a lot in those three minutes, trump managed to break the courts rules enough that part of his testimony actually had to be stricken from the record. our lisa rubin was in the courtroom today will help us break that down in a moment. but that wasn't the only testimony from trump history her today. it was the most dramatic, but maybe not the most significant. the fact in this case are not in question at this point. back in may different jury found trump liable for sexually

abusing in defaming e. jean carroll. they ordered him to pay her four and a half million dollars. the issue before the jury today's question of more damages for different instances of defamation. because that was the question at hand,, carol's lawyers decided to use trump's own words against him. there was a piece of the other deposition they played for the jury today, deposition from the new york attorney general civil fraud case, against trump, in which he brags about how wealthy he is. >> i don't need the money. you probably see the cash. we have a lot of cash. here. substantially in a bit in excess of 400 million. we have a lot of cash, great assets. we have nearly $10 million over the rent. >> joining us now, lisa rubin msnbc legal analyst. thank you for being here. i know it has been a very long. day another one of many for

you. i'll start broadly. what did you make of don trump's taking the stand and what he had to say. >> from a legal perspective, fruitless, and not really incrementally adding much of a political one either. everything donald trump said on the stand today is something that those who hang on his every world already knew. he denied e. jean carroll's allegations, he stands by it, he says it all the time on truth social, on the campaign trail. he denied it, he says, to defend himself. nothing about that with surprising. the jury would have known that as well without his testimony. so again, a total wash, legally and politically. the >> clip we played on trump was from the attorney general's case, and at the e. jean carroll case. what does it say to you about the argument that her lawyers presented this is a piece of evidence in this case and the intersection of these two trials? >> let's start with the fact that anytime a party to a lawsuit says something in a different venue that could be used as an admission, that can

be admissible and another completely unrelated legal proceeding if it bears on some of the same issues. we know donald trump, every time he takes the stand or is deposed, says something that's damaging to himself. so last friday, when this video came out from the new york attorney generals case, where donald trump was deposed last april, most of us thought to ourselves, no big deal, we have seen this transcript before. why is this a big thing? it's a huge thing because e. jean carroll had never seen this video before. without the release, prompted by a freedom of information request by another media organization, they would never have been able to play it today. so it's really an opportunity to see how all of his worlds are converging on one another, legal, political, and all the different legal proceedings converging as well. >> one thing to read the transcript, another thing hearing his own words talk about it, the manner in the tone is a factor for the jurors. speaking of the jury, we understand that the closing arguments will be tomorrow. give me your sense on how you think it plays out from here, when we might expect a decision,

how soon that might happen? >> i'm not a magic eight ball, but i will give you my -- best >> you know everything. >> i do know something about juries. something who hasn't been in my position wouldn't tell you which is a churros hate having to come back after a weekend. they want to go back to their normal wives lives. so if they're instructed by early afternoon tomorrow, i predict they might come to a victor verdict by tomorrow evening. also, judge kaplan has made provisions for them to get meals instead of lunches, which is how a previous order of the court read. that's not a big thing to you or me but it signals to me he's anticipating keeping the jury there late into the evening and making accommodations for that event. >> let me get your final thoughts on switching here from this case to the alvin bragg case. he's quietly preparing his hush money case. a lot of attention on that one as well because it was kind of like the first case out of the gate, so to speak. but we're coming back to it now because all of the importance that it still carries as a legal case but also because of

what it means politically. i want to get your thoughts on that as we see alvin bragg move forward with that case. >> the new york times reported on alvin bragg's preparations today, and the most important thing that stood out to me was alvin bragg's re-casting this case. it's not a money for sex case anymore. it's an election interference case of its own. this is about don trump's attempt to interfere with voters who need to make an informed choice in 2016. i thought it was a savvy way of looking at the case. i still don't think that case gets tried in march. if there is a possibility that judge tanya chutkan can try her case in march, april, or may, george -- of the new york supreme court doesn't want to be in the position to interfere with that case. >> all right lisa rubin, we appreciate you doing double duty is a legal analyst and breaking down the magic eight ball. greatly appreciated. take care. one more story for you tonight. president biden, what he is doing in a last-ditch effort to rescue a peaceful hostages deal between israel and hamas.

more on that after the break. the break

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television news network itv broadcasted a horrific incident captured by one of their cameramen. before we play this video from itv, we have to give you a warning that it is very disturbing. on monday a tv journalist was filming a group of civilian men fleeing combative areas in khan yunis in the south of the gaza strip. seen here, holding a white

flag. according to itv, these men were trying to go back into an area that was under israeli fire in order to rescue the relatives, who were trapped and in danger. the camera man then interviewed one of the man, seen here, in black, on the right-hand side of the screen, and moments after finishing that interview, the camera man captured this. be [sound of gunfire] >> [speaking in a global language] >> the man he interviewed, lying on the ground after being shot dead, his blood seen on the white flag the men were carrying. the shooting spire to wide condemnation in the norwegian refugee council called evidence of war crime. and israeli military spokesperson told nbc news that video is clearly edited, and we have no way to comment. the u.s. state department for its part declined to comment on whether the shooting was a war

crime or not. also in khan yunis, israeli forces have surrounded two hospitals, trapping thousands of palestinians inside. announcer hospital and emmett hospital are among the last still providing medical care in the strip. now the israeli military has ordered evacuations for that part of the city, raising fears of more airstrikes. in gaza city today, at least 20 people were killed and 150 issues, according to gaza's health ministry, after an israeli shell hit a crowd of people waiting for humanitarian aid. sounds of gunfire caused thousands of civilians to panic and run before they could carry. north of gaza, reports like this one on social media of so little food that palestinians are resorting to eating animal feed, milling it into flour to make bread. at least 25,700 people have been killed inside gaza since the start of the war. that is according to the same palestinian health ministry. 70% of the victims, 70%, are women and children.

it has now been 110 days since the october 7th hamas attacks on israel, and more than half of the hostages abducted remain in captivity. nbc news has learned that this weekend president biden plans to dish dispatch cia director william burns in hopes that a deal could be brokered to secure the release of those hostages still held inside gaza. whether that deal will include a lo humanitarian pause or even a cease-fire is still a mystery to everyone. as the biden administration continueits steadfast support for israel's war, new polling shows that 35% of americans believe that at this moment israel is committing genocide. when you look exclusively at president biden's supporters, that number rises to 50%. what is clear is that the longer this lore war lasts, the worse it gets for the hostages and the innocent civilians inside gaza. and the world will bear witness to more devastation