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good to be with you, i'm katy tur in for the second hour of "chris jansing reports." the jury has the e. jean carroll defamation case. how much will they find donald trump owes carroll for continuing to attack her, and continue to go deny what a court of law has already established that he sexually assaulted her. msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin just stepped out of the courtroom for the first time today to let us know what it was like inside. so, lisa, tell us. >> reporter: i listened to both sides' closing arguments and then the rebuttal of e. jean carroll's lawyers this morning, and then i listened to judge lou kaplan instruct the jury on the law as well as the legal process and the rules that they are required to follow as they deliberate. i think one of the things that was most interesting this morning is the emergence of big themes that are much bigger than e. jean carroll and donald trump alone.

what you heard from e. jean carol's lawyers is this isn't a case just about defamation by donald trump against our client e. jean carroll. this is a case about the rule of law and who is bound by it, and who thinks they're above it. you've seen the way this guy behaves in court. you see his contempt for the rule of law. not only in the way that he treated a jury's verdict in this exact courtroom last may but the fact that he even got up in the middle of robbie kaplan's closing argument, the lead lawyer for e. jean carroll, and walked out ten or eleven minutes in because it was intolerable for him to hear facts that the judge has already determined must be taken by this jury as true. you then heard from alina habba today, and i want to talk about what she was good at because i think alina habba was as good today as i have ever seen her. her job was to poke holes in e. jean carroll's case, to the

extent that she's claiming damages, she hasn't proven those were my client's fault. there was a five-hour window between when the article in which she first alleged that donald trump assaulted her came out and when donald trump himself first made a statement, and during that five-hour window, she showed the jury a series of tweets in which people said a number of really nasty things to e. jean carroll, which e. jean carroll acknowledged they were standing by the guy they always supported. she was able to use the five-hour period of time and the tweets during it to really draw some doubt in the jurors' minds has e. jean carroll sufficiently proven that the death threats and rape threats and jail threats that she has received over time were solely attributable to donald trump's having spoken out against her. and unfortunately, e. jean carroll's lawyers didn't do the job they could have done in showing that in fact there was

causal relationship. for example, they could have presented a quantitative analysis to show, let's say there are some 300 tweets in the first five-hour gap, but as soon as donald trump releases his statement, you see hundreds of thousands of tweets in response to e. jean carroll and of a different degree. they got there with respect to the qualitative difference, they didn't get there with respect to the volume. alina habba was able to sow some doubt in jurors' minds about whether e. jean carroll has proven causation. again, on the closing, let's talk about brand because donald trump tells you his brand is the hottest in the world. his brand is really malice. what he did to e. jean carroll is entirely on brand for donald trump, and so really bringing out some things that are donald trump's, and right here in front

of the seven men and two women who are going to decide how much money donald trump owes e. jean carroll. >> i think everyone wants to know exactly what happened and how it happened. let me ask you about what donald trump objected to when he walked out of the courtroom. >> when donald trump walked out, i'm going to look at my notes. she had just started. i want my viewers to know, i filled this entire notebook, a gift from our colleague, alex wagner at this trial because it was so full of words. when he walked out, robbie kaplan was just saying that he spent this whole trial lying about her. even if you don't like the prior jury's decision, as judge kaplan will instruct you, you have to follow it. that is the law of this case. did he respect that jury's verdict, not even for 24 hours. about to start talking about donald trump's truth social

video on may 9th, 2023, and then his cnn town hall appearance on may 10th, 2023, which were the day of and the day after the verdict, and then she said he spent this whole trial lying about her. meaning that his deaf nation against e. jean carroll has continued throughout this trial, both in press conferences, over truth social, even in campaign statements and that's when trump got up and left the courtroom with boris epshteyn and a secret service falling behind him. he did not step back into the courtroom until habba gave her closing argument. >> it seems like when he was reading the transcript, this is something alina habba was trying to argue in court, even during her closing statement. >> she did, and towed close to the line because she said that we have a right to constitutional free speech.

it was her client's right to defend himself and that's when the judge sort of said, ms. habba move on, you're towing very close to the line, and so she walked right up to that line. as you know, she did ask donald trump yesterday, did you deny it because she made an accusation or did you deny it to defend yourself against the accusation. he was permitted to say, yes, but she then went on to say, my client was just telling his truth, and that's when kaplan was frustrated with her, when e. jean carroll's lawyer resumed at the podium, she said, ms. habba tried to tell you that her client was entitled to tell his truth, he's not entitled to tell you his truth when his truth was found to be a lie. >> let me push on that, because i think there are a lot of people who are, you know, in jail right now who are still proclaiming their innocence, why can't donald trump say that he believes he's innocent of these

charges? >> reporter: trump can't say he's innocent of the charges because his proclamation of innocence is defactory. e. jean carroll said i was sexually assaulted. it's donald trump's denial of her allegation of sexual assault, not just the denial but everything he put on top of that denial that led to her allegations of defamation in the first place, that he said it was a made up story, that she was a paid political operative, that he had never met this woman. e. jean carroll testified at the first trial here if donald trump had just said that it never happened or that it was consensual, we wouldn't be where we are at now. he unleashed an attack on her saying she must have been in cahoots are people in the democratic party. she was paid for this. anyone with information about her should contact the trumps and there should be consequences for people who lie like this. that's the moment that e. jean

carroll's lawyers say what started as a denial tipped into defamation. >> and quickly, the expectation for how long the jury might have this, how long does court go today. >> reporter: judge kaplan usually doesn't have court sessions on friday. he did this as an accommodation to the parties. he has told the jury that normally the court is open until 4:30, however if they want to deliberate longer, believe their getting close, they're entitled to send him a note, and he'll keep the courtroom open later. he did tell them, i will not go late into the night. if you're not at a point that you can see that continuing to deliberate a little longer, you'll come back monday and resume. i should note in the last e. jean carroll trial, it was about three, four hours, i was on air as you read out verdict that day on may 9th, 2023, and the rudy giuliani defamation trial that just ended, one that's a lot more similar to this in terms f

the weighing of punitive damages and compensatory damages, the jury was out, they came back the next day and deliberated almost the whole day until reaching the verdict the second day. >> that's a good memory. i didn't remember the date or frankly that i even read that verdict. lisa rubin, thank you. nbc's vaughn hillyard is also following the story for us. the trump team, how do they see today and was it planned that donald trump would storm out or was this, from what you can gather from conversations, was this an organic thing, he got angry and left? >> the campaign is keen on saying that they are separate from donald trump's legal strategy. alina habba has been very much the one who has been strategizing and game planning this out for him. she was on the campaign stage with him tuesday night in new hampshire where he was celebrating his political victory. >> a mixing of campaign and legal. >> here's the part of alina

habba, i'm far from being an expert. she's the exact fighter he has been looking for. she's the one inside the courtroom who is echoing donald trump on his behalf. continues to deny, and the judge said she's near crossing that line today and all but told her that she needed to stop talking. but for donald trump that's exactly what he wanted to hear. yesterday when he was testifying himself and we're seeing alina habba outside the courtroom there, in which this is an attorney here who has been able to stay in donald trump's ranks, flies on the airplanes with him. the one time i flew on the airplane a year ago, march to a campaign rally in texas, she was there on the airplane with him. it's exactly who he wants in his corner and is implementing the exact strategy that donald trump wants. >> she sounds like michael cohen used to. used to is the operative word there. vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. >> and this afternoon, the united nations agency that aids

palestinians says it has dismissed several workers accused of being involved in the hamas terrorist attacks on october 7th. that stunning move comes after the u.s. state department temporarily cut off additional fund to go the agency with secretary of state blinken calling for a quote, thorough and swift investigation. raf sanchez is following the story from tel aviv. raf, what else do you know? >> reporter: the allegation from israeli officials is as many as 12 staff at the u.n. and relief works agency may have taken part in the october 7th hamas terror attacks in israel. we don't know exactly what they're accused of having done. whether israel is saying that they were fully fledged hamas members who led the attack or whether they were part of this large mob that came in once the fence was breached, but the unsays it's taking this very

seriously. it has fired all 12 of those employees and launched a major investigation. secretary of state antony blinken was informed about this on wednesday. according to the state department. he spoke to the secretary general of the united nations yesterday. and today, the state department announcing it is cutting off additional funding while this investigation goes ahead. john kirby, the spokesperson for the national security council was asked about this at the white house a little while ago, and i want you to hear what he said. >> it certainly looks as if there's cause to be concerned about the actions of some of the members of the u.n. relief and works agency. that does not nor should it impugn the entire agency, and the body of work they're doing. they have helped save literally thousands of lives in gaza. they do important work. doesn't mean there aren't some folks in that group that need to be punished for potentially

these kinds of behavior, but that doesn't impugn the entire organization. >> there are 12 people who are accused. >> it's bad. >> reporter: you heard john kirby saying the actions of a few people does not impugn the entire organization, and it's worth stressing that unra is providing relief to tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, potentially, of displaced palestinians across gaza right now. there are families sheltering in compounds, they are handing out food, trying to keep basic medical services afloat. but this is a serious allegation , and the fact that the u.s. has cut off funding could be a major problem for the agency. the u.s. is the single biggest donor to unra. it gives $300 million every year, and the state department says it's briefed members of congress. >> serious allegations with serious consequences. let me about you ask a serious set of allegations, this is

coming out of the international criminal court at the hague, there was a ruling today, at least an initial ruling. what can you tell us about that? >> right. so this was an interim ruling in the case where south africa is accusing israel of committing genocide in gaza. interim ruling. it is going to be years, katy before the court actually rules on the merits of this case. but the court issuing kind of the international law equivalent of an injunction saying that israel must do everything it can to prevent genocide in gaza, to prevent its forces from carrying out genocide in gaza. israel must preserve any potential evidence that could go into a genocide case, and importantly, it's that israeli officials need to refrain from any statements that could be considered incitement to genocide. >> raf sanchez, thank you very much. and in 60 seconds, we're back in a michigan courtroom for a landmark case putting a mother on trial for her son's mass

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right now, the defense is cross examining a police officer in the historic trial of jennifer crumbley, the mother of the teenager who killed four classmates in the 2021 oxford high school mass shooting. the jury listened to a never before heard voice mail from the school telling jennifer they caught her son looking at bullets in class followed by text messages between her and her son, the shooter, where she told him, quote, you just have to learn how not to get caught. nbc's jesse kirsch is outside the courthouse in pontiac, michigan. also with us is former federal prosecutor, and msnbc legal analyst, glenn kirschner. what else has happened in court today? >> reporter: we just got some new documents moments ago. these were filed a sort time ago, this is from ethan crumbley's defense team, and

just to give people the back story here, ethan crumbley, of course, admitted to killing four schoolmates, he is serving life without the possibility of parole. his defense team is appealing the status of how much time he will spend behind bars, as of now, without the possibility of parole for life. his mother's defense team, jennifer crumbley who's currently on trial for involuntary manslaughter. her defense team is asking the judge to compel ethan to testify in his mother's defense trial, and the judge is questioning how that would work, why she should be doing that, asking the defense to point to legal precedent, which would give cause for her to compel that, of course ethan crumbley has the right to not incriminate himself and assert his fifth amendment right. we have these documents that came from ethan crumbley's defense team. we already knew that his defense attorneys were going to advise against him testifying. but now they have formally

written and put this filing into in system saying that the, quote, defendant respectfully requests that the court deny the defense motion as to compel testimony for ethan crumbley and his doctors and deny admission of his confidential records entirely. this wasn't just about ethan crumbley testifying but about getting records from a psychiatrist who had evaluated him. that's the new information that just came out in a filing that we have obtained a short time ago. i'm just checking on what's going on in the courtroom right now. we have heard for hours from an expert witness, a former detective and a computer crimes expert, a witness put on the stand by the prosecution. that witness is now being cross examined by the defense. that's something we have been following along with. there have been a series of messages, as well as photos shown in court today, the prosecution trying to continue to paint a picture of parents who were not paying as much attention to a child who was dealing with issues as they should have in the run up to the

shooting, katy. >> thank you very much. glenn, let's talk about whether ethan crumbley is going to have to testify. his defense team doesn't want him to. glenn, what's the likelihood that that will get -- they'll be overruled. >> jurisdictions handle the situation differently. it's a class i teach to my criminal justice students at george washington university. it's called when constitutional rights collide. you have ethan crumbley who has a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination, and he retains that through, you know, all of his appeals being exhausted. he can not be forced to testify. he cannot be compelled to potentially incriminate himself while he still has a trial of an appeal that's active. however, his mother, the defendant in this case, has a sixth amendment right to compel the testimony of witnesses in her favor. that is why we have a collision of constitutional rights, which

one wins? that is often up to the way each jurisdiction resolves that conflict between constitutional rights. often you cannot compel somebody to testify and give up their fifth amendment right against self-incrimination unless the government decides to grant that person immunity, such that he can take the stand, testify in his mother's defense, and those statements can't be used against him. it's a fact intensive decision by a court. each jurisdiction has its own rules and its own precedent from the appellate courts. there's no telling exactly how the court will resolve this collision of constitutional rights. >> what would his mother want him to testify to? what would her team hope to get out of him? >> i assume it would be, you know, she knew nothing about what i was intending to do, there were no signs that she would have seen. it's not that unusual in my experience to have a family member take the stand and try to

help out their family member who is on trial, and they are not always interested in telling the complete truth. but it really boils down to, you know, what was reasonably foreseeable, and whether the defendant, ms. crumbley's actions or inaction represented sort of a substantial factor in bringing about the harm that ultimately was commit bid her son. >> this whole situation is so sad, what he did, the fact that he got no help, it's just all really depressing. glenn kirschner, jesse kirsch, thank you very much. and also today, the former head of the nra, wayne lapierre is testifying in his civil corruption trial in new york city. new york attorney general letitia james alleges lapierre and other officials misused organization funds on themselves. nbc's ken dilanian is following the story. so, ken, what happened today? >> reporter: wayne lapierre was

the heart and soul of this once fearsome lobbying organization for 33 years. today he was a witness as the plaintiffs took him through some of the spending that occurred during his tenure and there's really two issues he was grilled about here. one, he had a relationship with a vendor, a hollywood producer who got $100 million in nra contracts. wayne lapierre acknowledged he was taking vacations on this man's luxury 108 foot yacht, and lapierre was asked to testify about the yacht. it had a private chef and jet skis. to get to the yacht, he was taking a private plane paid for by the nra. he talked about the extensive lavish trips the nra funded to ferry lapierre's family around, and what attorney general alleges here is that was improper. lapierre acknowledged he a fiduciary responsibility to spend the organization's widely.

he disclaimed knowledge of the details of the contracts. he appears to be suggesting, this wasn't up to me. other people were involved. earlier in the trial, oliver north who was once the president of the nra testified that he was ousted after he tried to raise questions about the spending. they're trying to get a monetary verdict againsts nra to penalize it for the behavior. the money will go back to the nra, which is a shell of its former self. >> ken dilanian, thank you very much. and new comments from one of trump's most aggressive republican critics, liz cheney is now sort of backing his only primary opponent. we're going to explain the sort of there. a bitter battle for control of the party could become a bruising run for the nomination. that's next on msnbc.

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former congresswoman liz cheney says her number one priority is to keep donald trump out of the white house, and now she is urging the only republican left standg nikki haley to stay upright. >> i hope she stays in the race you know, as long as as she has to i think certainly, you know, through super tuesday, we need to make sure we're challenging every step of the way. right now, nikki haley is in this fight, and i think she ought to stay in it. >> curiously, though she did not

endorse haley. joining me now, carlos curbelo, and host of "way too early," jonathan lemire. john, i'm going to start with you. liz cheney, she's lost a lot in her attempts to stand up to donald trump and keep him out of the white house. who's listening to her right now? >> there's probably a segment of some independents and disaffected republicans who would listen to congressman cheney, your hard core rank and file members wouldn't. cheney, after she was key putting together the january 6th meetings in the house lost her primary in wyoming by about 40 points. certainly she has every chance she sees a microphone, speaks against donald trump as a danger to democracy, even though we should all remember, she voted with him most of the time. they broke over january 6th. and there has been some speculation, what role she could play in the campaign to come. you write, she didn't endorse nikki haley there. maybe that could come in time. the bigger question is might we

see her campaign for president, biden at some point, speak of the democratic convention. those are things talked about behind closed doors. nothing agreed to just yet. not sure she would want to do it. certainly most democrats don't agree with much of what liz cheney stands for, they applaud a reference on this. those in the biden camp think she and what nikki haley is doing is effective. taking messages from the public, and audiences who might hear from them, who would never listen to president biden. >> having her stand at the democratic national convention would be eye opening. i'm not sure it will happen. you know, in the same interview she was asked about a third party run, carlos, and she, you know, kind of wound her way around it, didn't rule it out, but she also said she was sure somebody else would get into this race. what does that say to you? >> yeah, that's right, katy. liz cheney is up to something. we don't know exactly what. she's not endorsing nikki haley because she knows nikki haley is not going to win. what she wants is for nikki haley to stay in as long as

possible so that donald trump has to use resources to continue competing in the republican primary. but certainly liz cheney and her family are looking for ways to stop donald trump. so she might collaborate with a third party candidate, she might join some kind of third party ticket. i could certainly see her coming out and endorsing joe biden. that is how strongly liz cheney feels about donald trump and the need, from her view, to block him from once again ascending to the presidency. >> what about this effort by the rnc, jonathan, to declare donald trump the presumptive nominee, the proposal they had, and walked back quickly. what was going on with that? >> katy, how many times have you and i heard donald trump claim elections were rigged, and this is a case that rnc was trying to do just that. trump only had about 1/20 of the

delegates needed. david bossy, long time trump ally tried to pump the rnc to say haley didn't have a path. let's be clear, it's an up hill clim for her, and she stands facing deficits in her home state of south carolina. she's making the decision to stay in. she has money to stay in. she's waiting for trump to further implode, some sort of development with his legal cases. she's showing signs she's in this at least for a while, and even donald trump himself came out on truth social and suggested i'm going to beat haley the old fashioned way. he didn't want it to be thrown to him. we know how frustrated he is that haley in the race. >> the money she has raised, despite the donor threat, donald trump saying anyone who donates to haley, she hasaised

2.6 million in the last two days. her super pac has raised more than trump, $50.1 million. do you see any path for her? are there any states she can win? >> it's impossible to count her out entirely because donald trump has so many controversies and problems surrounding him, and he could implode or just say something totally horrific that people actually are horrified by but the reason donald trump wants haley out, he's gotten about half the vote and he's effectively an incumbent president in this republican primary. president biden got about 3/4 of the vote in new hampshire in a write-in campaign. so these numbers would be very good for a first time candidate, but for an incumbent president, they're not that strong. they reveal that there are

divisions still in the republican party and that there are a significant number of republicans who aren't that enthusiastic about donald trump. he doesn't want to continue that being so obvious as these states vote. that's why he wants nikki haley out. >> carlos curbelo, jonathan lemire, thank you very much. and on the subject of 2024, democrats are seizing on a potentially potent sound bite. this one courtesy of republican joel kitchens as he argued against abortion rights. for some reason, the sound bite is not there. minnesota senator tina smith said she couldn't believe he was comparing women to animals, while new jersey congressman bill pascal called it the republican party in one clip. now we have it. let's play it. >> in my veterinary career, i did thousands of ultrasounds on

animals, you know, determining pregnancy and that kind of thing. i think i know ma development more than anyone here. >> he's comparing women to animals. how is the white house with a campaign looking at this? >> quite the clip, katy. we should tell people here, thursday republicans in wisconsin state assembly debated and ultimately voted to pass a bill asking voters whether wisconsin should ban abortions after 14 weeks of pregnancy. currently the state bans abortions after 20 weeks. what we heard and saw was wisconsin state representative, you said joel kitchens, arguing that his experience as a veterinarian, someone who works on animals gave him special insight into how bodies of human women work. he did that as he was arguing abortion wasn't health care. that was the point he was trying to make, abortion isn't health care. he has faced a ton of backlash

for these comments. i should point out the bill didn't have exceptions for rape and incest, and changed to include that because of other backlash. now the gop in wisconsin, which controls both chambers of the state legislature, they're hoping to pass this. we should tell folks the state's governor, tony evers is a democrat and certain to veto the bill. >> vice president harris is tasked with leading the charge on abortion rights. the democrats hope this is going to be a motivating issue. we have seen special elections and ballot measures break in favor of abortion rights and break for democrats as well. there's a big case, a big story out of ohio, the case has now been resolved about a woman who had a miscarriage and got arrested for it. "cbs mornings" interviewed her. she described the moment the

miscarriage happened. >> i'm doubled over, and that's when i hear splash, and then i look down, there's blood. i'm like, okay. well, i have to get cleaned up, all while thinking, wow, did that really just happen. >> the nurse said that you said you didn't want to look and that you did not want the baby. do you remember saying that? >> i said i did not want to look. i never said i didn't want my baby. >> this is an example of a woman being arrested for having a miscarriage, and there are more examples of this around the country. we heard that heather cox is going to be a guest of the white house for the state of the union. these stories, how does the white house beyond inviting heather cox to the state of the union, how does the campaign plan on using these stories to hammer home the idea that

abortion rights are not, you know, it's something that can really make a difference with a presidential vote. >> certainly, and democrats, they feel very confident that abortion can be a winning issue for them in november. abortion access has been on the ballot, seven states since roe was overturned. those in favor of abortion access have won the vice president and president, leaning into personal stories like we heard, and women who have faced medical emergencies because of restrictions to abortion, and base on my reporting, viral clips, talking about being a veterinarian, that being part of the reason he has insight into abortion, as well as former president trump saying he is proud of the supreme court taking away the federal right to abortion. that will certainly be things that democrats will be pointing to to mobilize voters in support of them. you saw, of course that woman that was interviewed on cbs. she was saying she went to the doctor, the hospital, the first time she was there for eight

hours, the second time for ten hours. she was never told there was an ethics committee involved in her case. there was a big delay. doctors were telling the ethics committee her life could be in danger. that was a woman that got fed up and miscarried at home. there are more and more stories you're going to hear from the president and vice president. there are women who are miscarrying in toilets, there are women who are miscarrying in parking lots. they're really hoping these personal stories are going to move people, and of course her story was really one that was moving, no matter what you think about the issue, she wanted that baby so much, and she miscarried because there were complications that were out of her hand, katy. >> yamiche alcindor, thank you. and a russian court extended "wall street journal" reporter evan gershkovich's extension by two months. he's coming up on a year in detention without trial. russia has accused him of spying. gershkovich, the "wall street journal" and the united states strongly reject those

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