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of a new york city courtroom that has likely put a damper on donald trump's weekend. a nine-member jury has reached its verdict in trump's second defamation trial brought by writer e. jean carroll. the unanimous verdict, donald trump is on the hook for just over $83 million in damages. $83.3 million to be exact. it took just less than three hours of deliberation by the jury to come to that verdict. which includes $11 million for damages to her reputation. $7.3 million for emotional harm and other damages, and a whopping $65 million in punitive damages. it's a huge increase from the $5 million verdict a separate jury awarded carroll last year after finding trump liable for sexually assaulting and defaming her. now, this is the part where if you have kiddos in the room, you might want to cover their ears because i think it's important to remind you that mr. carroll's case goes back to the 1990s. and she accused trump of doing

exactly what he said on that infamous "access hollywood" tape where he said when you're a star, they let you grab women by the -- you remember the rest. ms. carroll told a jury that he did exactly that to her, forcibly putting his tiny fingers into her against her will in the dressing room of a new york city department store. i'm sorry to be so blunt, but i think sometimes we forget what we're talking about here, aka, sexual assault. then, he serially defamed her. a previous new york jury ruled that, yes, he did both. and then he defamed her again and again and again, leading her to sue him again, and leading us to where we stand today. and a reminder, the man found civilly liable for doing these things to e. jean carroll is the all but certain republican nominee for president. okay, take your hands off your kiddos' ears.

ms. carroll was in the courtroom this evening to hear the verdict and she released this statement. quote, this a great victory for every woman who stands up when she's bn knocked down. and a huge defeat for every bully who has tried to keep a woman down. however, trump had already left the court before the verdict was reached. just minutes after the verdict was read, trump took to social media, calling the verdict absolutely ridiculous and claiming that the courts have taken away all first amendment rights. that is not true, of course. earlier today, trump's lawyer alina habba was corrected by the judge during her closing arguments for also confusing what the first amendment protects. the judge, lewis kaplan, said and i will quote, one has a constitutional right to some kinds of speech and not others. and that would include defamatory statements like the ones her client repeatedly made against carroll up to and during the trial. including posting more than a dozen attacks on social media

during today's closing arguments. the question remains, is he not high enough to keep trump from continuing his attacks against e. jean carroll or will he be back in a courtroom again for a third defamation trial? i'm joined now by nbc and msnbc reporter adam reese, glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst, april ryan, msnbc contributor and white house correspondent for the grillo, and reverend al sharpton, host of "politics nation" and president of the national action network. adam, describe the scene in the court today as the verdict was read. >> reporter: well, joy, it was swift and decisive. and it came in less than three hours. they knew they wanted to get through this and get it over with. and it was all coming after the closing arguments. it was a tale of two realities in the 26th floor courtroom. e. jean carroll's attorney telling her story, that

mr. trump even to this day continues to defame e. jean carroll, dating all the way back to june 21st, 2019, at the white house defaming her, calling her a wacko, a sick job, that he didn't know who she was, that she wasn't his type. she went on and on and on. he just couldn't handle it. he was so furious, he stood up and he stormed out of the courtroom with his secret service agents chasing him. at that point, e. jean carroll's attorney was able to play the tape from the attorney general's case which is still going on, and that deposition, he is bragging, he's talking about how rich he is. he says, i have $400 million in cash. the doral is worth $2.5 billion. mar-a-lago is worth $1.5 billion. essentially, i'm worth $14 billion. and she said to the jurors, you need to make him pay. you need to hit him in the pocketbook. he needs to know that he can't

do this anymore. and for her part, alena habba tried to defend mr. trump, doing the best she could with what she had. she said e. jean carroll is loving this, she's adoring the fame. she has more followers now. she's making money. she's hitting the night life scene in new york city. to that on rebuttal, e. jean carroll's attorney said do you really think e. jean carroll is loving this? do you think she likes the death threats, the rape threats by the thousands. and mr. trump continues to do this, even last night, issuing a videotaped statement saying i don't know who this woman is. i have no idea who she is. joy. >> horrifying, but thank you for all those details. just one more detail i'm going to ask you for, adam. we know that e. jean carroll did walk out of the courtroom. what was her demeanor like? what was her demeanor throughout the case when the jury verdict was read and when she walked out of that courtroom?

>> reporter: she maintains her integrity. she's poised. she came to court every day poised. when the verdict was read, they all held hands, all the attorneys and e. jean carroll held hands. afterwards, they all came out. they stood arm to arm, shoulder to shoulder in victory. >> adam reiss, thank you so much. we really appreciate you being in that courtroom for us day after day after day. making sure we knew what was happening. let me come to the panel. i think it's so important. i'm going to play this tape again because we played it before, but it's important just to remember that donald trump has admitted and bragged that this is something he thinks he can do. what he was adjudicated to have done to e. jean carroll is something he doesn't hide the fact that he thinks he's entitled to do. here are two tapes, i think you need to watch for context on today. donald trump, the "access hollywood" tape, donald trump in

his deposition in the first trial that e. jean carroll brought, the first case e. jean carroll brought. >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful. i start kissing them. it's like a magnet. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them by the [ bleep ]. you can do anything. >> that's true with stars. >> true with stars that they can grab women by the [ bleep ]? >> well, if you look over the last million years i guess that's been largely true. not always, but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. >> you consider yourself to be a star? >> i think you can say that, yeah. >> i'm going to go to the lady on my panel in the middle, april ryan, first. the reality is, this man said that, and then became the president of the united states. i just want you as somebody who has actually absorbed his attacks and knows what he's like

up close to give me your thoughts on that, the fact he became president, and the fact he is poised to be the republican nominee again. >> one, we forgot the tick-tack, how he uses a tick tack before he goes in on women. that was part of that infamous tape, if you will. it is sickening to hear, as a woman. taking the journalist hat off, but humanity right here. as a woman, it's sickening to hear. he abused women, particularly pretty women, as a piece of meat because he's a quote/unquote celebrity, reality show celebrity and someone who has trademarked and branded his name. as someone who has taken the heat and continues to absorb the heat from the quote/unquote minions who live in their mothers' basement, i think of two pieces of today's verdict by

the jury who showed that no man or woman is above the law. the $11 million for punitive damages -- excuse me, the $11 million to repair her reputation, that's nothing. that's not even enough. that's not even enough because once donald trump puts his name, puts your name in his mouth, it's over. you're attacked, death threats, et cetera. you move your home. your life is not the same. you know, $11 million is nothing. but that $65 million for punitive damages to punish, to show that he has done so many things wrong. he has defamed her, to make him hurt and for him to stand up and walk out of that courtroom, having an adult temper tantrum, he is hurting. now, the question is, will he have to pay this after appeal? i talked to armstrong williams today who was once in that trump

circle. he said what he's going to pay is no attention to this amount of money. >> let me actually bring glenn in on that. the question is, if he was a regular ordinary american who owed child support or who owed their taxes, the government would just take the money. but he's donald trump. how does e. jean carroll get the money she is entitled to? >> it is that there are appeal odds that can be put in place to make sure there is a pot of money there to satisfy this $83 million damages award that the jury just handed down. at the end of the appeals process. we all know the appeals process can take some time. but you know, unlike when somebody is putting up bond to try to get out on bail, ordinarily, they have to put up maybe 10% of whatever it is the court is ordering by way of bail.

however, when it comes to an appeals bond, joy, ordinarily, the overwhelming majority of appeals in civil suits are affirmed. so that makes this really challenging for donald trump. in order to get an appeal bond, he very likely will have to put up most or all of the $83 million so that there is a pot of money that can be paid to e. jean carroll at the end of the appeals process. he'll have to put it up either in cash and wasn't he just bragging that he has $400 million on hand? i'm betting he doesn't. or he'll have to put it up with unencumbered property. i can only wonder how much equity he actually has in some of the properties he owns. so you know what, there is going to be a pot of money, and e. jean carroll's lawyers have been determined. they have been dogged. and they're going to continue to fight to make sure this

appropriate money judgment gets satisfied. >> that is actually good news and good to know. rev, you know this man. he is not just been accused of being a sex pest by e. jean carroll. i'm going to put up the numbers here. the number of women who have accused him of sexual misconduct. i can go on and on. you go all the way down, all of those women. here is the way that he has responded to some of those accusations. here's donald trump shaming the women who have accused him. >> she said i made inappropriate advances. and by the way, the area was a public area. people all over the place. take a look. you take a look. look at her. look at her words. you tell me what you think. i don't think so. i don't think so. >> when you looked at that horrible woman last night, you said i don't think so. oh, i was with donald trump in 1980. i was sitting with him on an

airplane. and he went after me on the plane. yeah, i'm going to go after you. believe me, she would not be my first choice, that i can tell you. you don't know. that would not be my first choice. >> sounds like exactly what he said about e. jean carroll, rev. >> he's dehumanizing and castigated women in general is clear. i think what one has to look at and me as a new yorker that grew up in new york, as donald trump did, donald trump sould this brand that he was this brilliant businessman, and that he was like the great gatsby. i think today, we're seeing where he will become more like the wizard of oz, when we look beyond the veil, the curtain, the wizard has no clothes because he's going to have to come up with a substantial amount of money.

he's played that he's this billionaire. well, let's see if he can post the bond. and let's not forget, on the 31st, the judge will give the amount he owes from the case that attorney general, state attorney general of new york tish james has, where she's asking for $300 million. say the judge gives half of that, we're talking about somewhere around a quarter of a billion dollars he's going to have to come up with. so donald trump will become more unhinged. he will become more desperate. we're going to see him and his followers go into the twilight zone in terms of action now because i do not believe he has the money. and if he defaults, he has judgments against him. his properties start getting liened, he's facing something he has never thought, and his brand has been totally demolished now because the big businessman will be exposed like the wizard of oz, to have no clothes.

and no way out. >> yeah, there will be no owning beauty pageants and partnering with macy's and all of those things. and on his state of mind, what was the movie where they said you play with my money, you play with my emotions. his emotions are about to be played with in a big way. we'll have more on the stunning $83 million verdict against donald trump when "the reidout" continues. hat it's like to perform through pain. if you're like me, one of the millions suffering from pain caused by migraine, nurtec odt may help. it's the only medication that can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks. treat and prevent, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. relief is possible. talk to a doctor about nurtec odt. your best defense against erosion and cavities is strong enamel. nothing beats it.

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back with me, glenn kirschner, april ryan, and reverend al sharpton. let's talk about this adult survivors act. governor kathy hochul of new york signed it into law in 2022 and it's been a boon to victims of seal assault. more than 2500 lawsuits filed. it gave a year for people to come in. it got rid of the statute of limitations. e. jean carroll was one of the first to use it, but it's also

been used by people who have accused the criminal justice system in new york of them having survived rape under the criminal justice system. some of the people who have been accused include harvey weinstein, sean combs, rudy giuliani. talk about the power of this law and e. jean's place in history for using it this way. >> you know, joy, it's so important because in sexual offense crimes, in rape cases, i handled rape cases, i handled sexual assault of children. you know, ordinarily, people do not rush forward to share their victimization with anybody. not with law enforcement, can you imagine being sexually assaulted and then sitting down and laying bare the experience you just went through with strangers? police officers, grand jurors, prosecutors, trial jurors, in a public forum, where the audience

could be packed with people who were there to support the perpetrator. is it any wonder that people are reluctant to come forward when they have been the victim of sexual assault? and then, what do they get for actually reporting and following through with a prosecution? they get raked over the coals, and they get called a liar. about what happened to them, just like e. jean carroll suffered. is there any wonder there is at best delayed reporting of sexuat we open it up and give victims a fair opportunity to have their victimization addressed and to have their perpetrator held accountable. so and now you are seeing how it can bear fruit, because donald trump has now been held accountable for his sexual battery, which the first jury

found he in fact committed, and for his repeated incessant defamation by lying about what he had done to e. jean carroll. i applaud the state of new york and the lawmakers who saw the wisdom of opening it up and actually supporting sexual assault victims. >> indeed. i applaud e. jean carroll for being brave enough to step out there. she didn't just accuse some anonymous person. she accused a former president of the united states and somebody who acts like a mobster, who has a habit of behaving like a mobster and has a cult. god bless her for doing that. april, this is one of the largest defamation payouts. i want to put up some of the largest defamation payouts. alex jones, fox news, abc news, $177. rudy giuliani, $148 for defaming ruby freeman and shaye moss. if donald trump, after the $83 million and of course if he ends up paying some $300 million to

the state of new york, if he responds to that by declaring bankruptcy, which he's done multiple times, roberta kaplan did talk about that, four times he's declared bankruptcy. i don't know if people would think he was such a rich and important guy if they knew how many times he was bankrupt, what does it do for the politics of donald trump if he's suddenly he's the bankrupt not quite billionaire. >> he was bankrupt in the past and came back to win and win again and again. this time is so public, and people understand what's going on, joy. right now, the win has turned into a big l, loser. and he is so harsh on this brand. i am donald trump. i'm a winner. this is a huge loss, after that first e. jean carroll trial, he tried to make it out to be a joke, is this what they're trying to get me on, and some of his followers believed it. now, this sends a powerful blow. his politics are still there.

but he's hobbled a bit. he's hobbled a bit. and let's see what happens again and again and again with the rest of these court cases. and if he can pay. we're going to see who he is really, an adult tantrum thrower who may or may not have the money he says, and his politics will go along with that. if he lies about this, you know, where are his politics? a bunch of lies or a bunch of fluff. we'll see what happens down the road. >> same question to you, rev. you know the guy. would he be able to withstand the idea? this isn't his companies being bankrupt. before, when hillary clinton hit him in the debates and he said i'm smart, i use the law. this is about him having to pay this money out of his own pockets. if it turns out he can't do it, then what? what's his message then? >> his brand is totally -- i think you have to remember, his brand is who he is. he lived his whole life, those of us who knew him in new york,

those of us who followed him on cases nationally, his whole brand was, how did he get the apprentice? i'm this great businessman. for him to now have to come forward, even if he claims bankruptcy, he'll have to establish he in fact does not have the money he has. he's been lying all along, and he still has the problem of he has to post the bond. he can't change that. he has the bond that he's got to deal with today if he's going to appeal. he's got the bond that he will have to deal with next week when the verdict comes down on his new york state fraud trial. and he can come with all he wants. he's going to have to post the bond or he has to pay the judgment. either way, you're talking about millions and millions of dollars. and it looks like the guy that made his way to the apprentice will be the one that gets fired as a billionaire in front of the whole world. and i think that that is what

he's thinking about on his way to las vegas tonight. his whole image is gone. now, he has a cult, as you say, joy. his cult followers will be there, but his cult followers cannot come up with the sum of money he's going to have to come up with for this bond. >> they're going to have to buy a lot of hats. let me stay with you for a second, rev. you interviewed joe tacopina, his former lawyer, recently on your show. do you think that the fact that donald trump might be short on funds might have been one of the reasons he left? he said he had to follow his compass. do you think it also could have been that? >> could have been. i don't know. i know that tacopina had been involved in many cases with us, and i think that he just saw -- he said his moral compass wasn't there. he saw where this was going and didn't want to be identified. and i honestly think, and i would give this advice to the lawyers he has now.

given his financial forecast, they better get paid now. because his diminishing abilities of this defendant of theirs, this client of theirs. if i was any of his lawyers, he better write a check before he cannot write one, because he no matter how you estimate it, he's facing a real problem financially. >> april, to you. >> i just enjoyed what reverend al said about you're fired. that's it. the apprentice and now the roles are reversed, to watch those who support him to either say, hmm, i'm not sure, and those independents on the fence to say maybe not. it's happening now, and we're watching this in real time. reverend al, you might be right. >> let me quickly before we let you know, nikki haley posted her reaction to this verdict. and she says, donald trump wants to be the presumptive republican

nominee and we're talking about $83 million in damages. we're not talking about fixing the border, not talking about tackling inflation. america can do better than donald trump. she also throws in joe biden, but zing. she was saying she wasn't even paying attention to the case earlier in the week. all of a sudden, she's paying attention. glenn, april, and reverend al sharpton, thank you. up next, from willing to be punched in the face to prove she hates donald trump to endorsing trump for president. the strange journey of congresswoman nancy mace and what it says about today's republican party. stay with us. j.p. morgan wealth management knows it's easy to get lost in investment research. get help with j.p morgan personal advisors. hey, david! ready to get started? work with advisors who create a plan with you, and help you find the right investments. so great getting to know you, let's take a look at your new investment plan. ok, great!

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first candidate donald trump has declared he wants the economy to fail and doesn't want republicans to solve what they claim is a crisis at the border, and the republican party has capitulated to him. example a, nancy mace. she was staking her identity on being an anti-trump maverick and a self proclaimed new voice for the country. she said trump had wiped out his legacy with january 6th and saying he put their lives at risk, even though she voted to acquit him. donald trump responded by trying to end her career, endorsing her primary opponent and calling her a grandstanding loser. it's more than pathetic this

week, nancy mace endorsed donald trump over nikki haley. prostrating herself to the altar of maga ambition, she's a lot like tim scott, just without the humiliating dance around. but a recent conversion to maga is even more embarrassing if you look back at whe she started the journey. "the washington post" reported that, quote, mace was so angry trump during the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol that she discussed with aides the prospect of confronting the rioters so she could get punched and become the face of anti-trump republicans. according to staffers familiar with the incident who spoke out the condition of anonymity, the daily beast also reported on the punch in the face account, nong that according to three sources who heard the comments first ha, mace used those ac words. she wanted to go get punched in the face. one anonymous former aide said, quote, she literally begged us to let her leave the office and go to the floor so she could get

punched in the face and get media attention. that's word for word what she requested. i'm joined by tim miller, msnbc political analyst and writer at large for the bulwark, and charles blow, columnist for "the new york times." tim miller, it falls to you to slain the punch in the face candidate, nancy mace. >> can i just say, we'll take anti-trump republicans when we can get them. there are very few of them. if she wants to get punched in the face, she's welcome to the bulwark. the water is warm. unfortunately -- >> and no one will punch her in the face. >> nobody will punch her in the face. we'll welcome her with open arms. come over to the never trump movement. look, i think that like many of these other folks just in a more ostentatious manner, she saw where the wind was blowing on this. and i think that a lot of these candidates have made the decision that they did not want to fight a losing battle. back in 2016, a lot of folks

did. maybe not as many as i had hoped, but tried to resist trump. and retrain trump, fight him. even mike lee on the convention floor, up to the convention floor, people were fighting him. ted cruz said vote your conscious in his speech. how did that turn out for them? the lesson all these cowards took is there's no sense fighting this guy. if you get in the front of the line, maybe you can get the appointment you want. if you're really lucky, you'll avoid the gallows the next time people come to hang you. i don't know. that's basically the decision they have all made. that's why nobody endorsed ni y hallie. and nancy mace, i think, thinks she might be on the short list for some donald trump gigs. >> the thing about it is it's so bananas, charles blow, is that you have all these people, including the very embarrassing tim scott, senator from south carolina, auditioning for the job that donald trump tried to get the last guy who had the job

hung. why would anybody want the job where donald trump, if he becomes displeased, will urge his crowd to kill you? >> i think that we underestimate how addictive power is for some people. i think we live in a capitalist society. we understand people doing anything for money. you know, we assign this idea of people doing anything for power to history books and maybe the ancient romans were doing anything for power. no, this is a constant in kind of human life. and it is showing up very prominently in the republican party right now. they're just doing anything for power. there are a lot of rich people in congress, but many make their money before they get to congress. there's not a lot of money in this jobs. what they have in these jobs is power. they get the cache, the cameras in their face. people always want to be there, they get in the front of the line, they get to be honored at events. that seems small and strange to

many of us who would never give up our dignity for that, but for these people, they are addicted to that. we also forget sometimes that politics is a rear. this is what they do for a living. some of them may start as a lawyer or a business person, but then they become -- this is their only job, and the only way they can see to advance the republican side is to cozy up to the guy who has taken over the republican party. >> yeah, fair point. one of the things they're doing to cozy up to him is flirting with the idea we should have a civil war about the border. donald trump has now essentially called for a civil war. he's called for all willing states to send their national guard soldiers to texas. the governor of texas is doing massive resistance and saying we're going to fight the federal government. we're not going to listen. 25 republican governors have backed texas in essentially saying they're going to defy the federal government and continue to essentially try to operate federal law themselves.

look at where those states are. most of those states are nowhere near the southern border. and yet, they're all backing this idea as many of them did when it came to the election in 2020, of essentially defying the federal government. not essentially, actually. >> yeah, indiana is going to be sending troops to the border? that's an interesting call for those national guard folks. look, joy, anybody that spends time in the republican fever swamps, which i do, unfortunately, has seen the secession thing coming for a while. these folks are looking for an excuse. obviously, the immigration thing, i think there's a legitimate problem that people could be suggesting legitimate policy solutions to on the border. that's not what this is. what these guys are doing is using this to make a threat that their most vocal supporters have been wanting to make. people have been talking about texit for a while now. if you go into, you know, the

daily wires, even more far right than that, they talk about threatening secession. i think if the democratic president was somebody not joe biden, i think we would have seen this earlier in the term. >> and one of the things that's coming, charles blow, is something called take our border back convoy. noted this online today. and here is a pull-out of the text in the invitation. calling all truckers, bikers, law enforcement, veterans, military, elected officials, business owners, ranchers and freedom loving americans. it's supposed to start in virginia beach on monday. it's separate rallies on february 3rd near eagle pass, texas, yuma, arizona, and san ysidro, california. they're saying it's supposed to be a peaceful convoy and active activism, but the lineup of people sounds a lot like the lineup of people who were at january 6th. >> right. lyon, as long as it's peaceful,

i support people's right to protest. and if you don't like what's happening at the border, by all means, protest. but the idea that trying to spark some sort of civil war, that's a real problem. that's not a small thing. and you know, when you look at that map, you see a lot of places where there are very few people, and the places in between places are the places that are angry. they're the places where the power doesn't reside in the culture, and therefore, they want to be separate from the places where it does reside in the culture. the biggest universities are not there, the biggest cities are not there. they feel overwhelmed, but you cannot, you know, plan to break away from the united states just because you feel overwhelmed. you have to win the argument. and that is where they are failing. >> yeah, i think a lot of people forget, what originally sparked the notion of civil war was an election, the election of abraham lincoln who the slave owning south did not want to be

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international court of justice ordered israel to take all measures within its power to prevent acts of genocide against palestinians in gaza. the court ruled while they consider the case of genocide brought by south a a process that could take s, israel must in the meantime prevent the commission of all acts of genocide by its forces, punish the direct and public inciment to commit genocide by politicians and other plic fires, allow humanitarian aid to the palestinians, prevent the destruction of any evidence related to the case, and submit a report by next month outlining how it is implementing the court's orders. the court stopped short of ordering a full cease-fire which is what south africa was asking for, but they also did not throw out the court's case entirely as called for by israel. meaning what the panel of judges effectively ruled is when it comes to accusations of genocide, there is a case to be heard. besides having major implications for israelis and palestinians, this is also a big

moment for south africa, and frankly, the global south as a whole. who after decades of feeling unappreciated by the u.n., is defining its place on the world stage, standing up not just to israel but to the united states and to other western superpowers. joining me now is the senior diplomatic correspondent for the huffington post. welcome to the show. i have been wanting to have you on. give me your assessment as somebody who has some expertise in this area of how big of a deal this ruling is. >> thanks so much for having me, joy. as someone with expertise and someone who grew up in the global south, this is a huge moment. there is such global frustration and frankly confusion over four months in president biden having not changed course, as allegations of war crimes have come in. for people who have been alarmed by this and have felt, you talk to us about human rights, about the international rules based order when it came to ukraine.

what about brown people in palestine? this is a huge moment. the judgment is also really important in that it says palestinians in gaza are a protected group, which is really important because there's a lot of denialism over the idea that palestinians are a group at all. the court has essentially said that's not true. i think for israel and the u.s., what this essentially says is they're going to be facing charges of genocide for years to come. they're going to be publicly and legally associated with this. which is a huge burden to bear, this is a huge burden to their and especially for israel state founded in the ow of the holocaust, it's a deeply and emotional and tragic moment. >> let me read you some of the reactions. the state department said, quote, a state department spokesman sa ithe icj ruling, it's incsistent with its own calls for isel, or is consistent, sorry, with the u.s. calls for israel to minimize civilian harm,

increase humanitarian assistance, and address dehumanizing rhetoric. they rear is rated, and accusations of genocide are in the u.s. is belief unfounded. here's reaction from israel. in a post on x, israel's right wing secure minister, ben-gvir, his reaction was two words. hague may. >> i think that's really a nice thing for the biden administration. the u.s. said is indisputable. tony blinken has said for months now, he would like to we would like to see israel kill furious civilians, but nothing has changed because the u.s. has not actually inattention will weigh changed support for israel. in the absence of that kind of change, you are seeing israeli

government that, frankly, speaks out about sides of its mouth. so prime minister netanyahu did say israel respect international law, we will abide by this, but on the other hand you have inquire ben-gvir, at the very members of his cabinet, and there is tragically especially if you look at the icj ruling given the situation in gaza there's no hint from israel today that they have taken this to heart and they are fearing okay starting tomorrow this -- which is why we are taking calls for action that you, and building on this ruling. >> if this goes to the security council, and the u.s. is required to decide whether to abstain or accept the ruling, because europe is very much feels bound by international law it is going to be very uncomfortable if there's going to be a vote on whether to order israel to abide by this ruling. do you have an indication, from your sources, what does the u.s. do? >> it's a nightmare situation for the u.s.. one of their own creation.

i have been talking to sources at the u.n., on the u.s. government side about this, and it's looking increasingly likely that this will come to a u.n. security council vote. algeria which is the arab state on the council has already set up a meeting for january -- and it's important to remember not close u.s. ally like a lot of our countries. they're historically blow pro palestinian. a lot of countries are frustrated, not just arab states. france, which is on the security council and is currently the president of the security council, has called for a cease-fire. britain has slowly moved closer to calling for a cease-fire. one of the indis, tyour point that europeans carry a lot about international, one of the implications of this icj ruling is it's not just about prevent genocide, assist aid. it is, you are illegally in it. you as an american official, french official, could seize consequences north and south. so there's a risk there. >> it is fascinating. i would love for you to come

back, akbar shahid ahmed, because i also want to talk about south africa and it's growing leadership role in the global south. hopefully we'll talk to again soon. coming up next, alabama's use of a controversial new method of execution left a condemned man writing and convulsing before for agonizing minutes before he was declared dead. stay with us. me me

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