someone about a horse before messaging her son. >> he said, you know you can talk to us and we know we don't judge. i care, i, no thank you. i'm sorry for. that i love you. >> at the time jennifer responded, more than half an hour later, the witness says the shooting had already begun. the fence cross-examination's, chrissy jennifer crumbley's concern for her son. >> we agree the overall, she is indicating an interest in figuring out what's wrong with her son. >> she's pointing out things that she's aware of. >> both sides taking swipes at each other. >> this shooting is awful. it's the prosecution -- all of this up here and putting them -- >> the shooting is the result of the gross negligence. that is the case. >> we -- was also asking the judge to compel the shooter, the defendant's son, to testify at

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million for -- deliberating for less than three hours. it included trump storming out of the courtroom and the judge's threats to lock up trump's lawyer. we have reporters and analysts in place ready to go through all of the days big developments for us. o go ti welcome you all. we begin in las vegas where we expect donald trump and vice president harris to be speaking separately just a few hours from now. a little more than a week before voters have their say in both races. my colleague, nbc's liz kreutz is in las vegas. joining me right now. liz, welcome, set the stage for us on what we can expect to see from donald trump later today. might we hear him talk about the e. jean carroll position for the first time publicly? >> hey alex, yeah, that's the big question. donald trump out of the courthouse, now back on the campaign trail here in nevada. first day of early voting for the primary here. he's participating in the caucuses. all eyes on donald trump, whether or not he addresses this e. jean carroll decision. we know he's been going off on

truth social saying it is a witch stunt. saying that it is absolutely ridiculous, he's vowing to appeal and fight this. this is what his attorney had to say. >> we restrictive every defense. every single defense before we walked in there. i am proud to stand with president trump because he showed up, he stood, up he took the stand and he face this judge. you know? what i will continue to do so with him. >> voters were talking here today about this, that they are standing by the former president, his supporters have been in line for hours waiting to get in, saying that if they think of anything, these rulings, these trials, it is going to rile up his base and get them to come out in support of him. but again, i mean, we are seeing kamala harris here as well. this is going to be a competitive state in nevada. both campaigns looking towards the general at this point here in the key swing state, alex.

>> we understand, liz, that the dnc plans on doing a little trolling. what do we know about those efforts? >> reporter: -- yes, in fact, actually, alex we saw as we were waiting to get in here, the dnc had said that they were going to do this. we saw that it is not related to the e. jean carroll decision, rather related to trump's record on abortion rights. there is a plane flying around with a banner that says donald trump ban abortion punish women. i was able to snap a picture of it. a little cell phone video as well if you can see that flying around. it has been circling overhead. i did notice some of the folks that are out here today to see trumpeted pointed out and look up. again, like they do with a lot of these attacks against trump, they just dismissed it. you know, they brushed it off. the dnc clearly is trying to send a message here on an issue of abortion, that they know is a big issue that they are going to hit going into the general. >> okay liz, liz kreutz, we live in nevada.

for more of the jury decision i want to bring in my guest in the studio. hugo lowell, political investigative reporter for the guardian. and joyce vance -- co-host of the podcast, sisters in law. msnbc legal analyst, and my good friend who is taking a selfie just a little while ago, we caught you on camera, but that's all good. we are glad to have you, joyce. when you look at this breakdown, look at, this 83 point million dollars -- that -- punitive damages. because the jury found this. that trump acted maliciously out of hatred, ill will or spy, vindictive lee or out of one reckless or willful disregard of miss carroll's rights. what does this tell you about how the jury approach this case? and their view on victims shaming? >> i think that is the important point here because this punitive damage is a word so much larger than the first trial. this is something that donald trump brought on himself, it was his behavior, his

continuation of the defamation, his -- in reality, what we should think about this, alex, is that he is targeting e. jean carroll with his face on social media in his public comments. the jury didn't like that. >> reporter: hugo, trump says that he plans to appeal, of course. he has even evoke to the republican party in his claims that his lawsuit was a politically motivated attack. your sources? what are they telling you about this? is this number even being seen as something that will effectively rein donald trump? >> i will start with the last part first. the answer is no. it won't be a deterrent. the way they are looking at it is, basically, we got caught flat-footed, we need to care recalibrate. this is part of the thinking from inside trump's camp, he still needs to respond to the e. jean carroll case for his base, for his supporters, because he wants to look defiant. but they also don't want another defamation suit.

they were very surprised by the award. they did not expect anything close to 83 million. they were looking at the 5 million, they were thinking closer to that. i think what they will do is recalibrate. i think we've seen this in previous instances where he's been how accountable with a gag order. he starts going right up to the line, but doesn't quite cross it. and i assume that this is the thing that his team is looking at doing, where they can respond in kind with out actually prompting another defamation suit. >> you mentioned something. the third defamation suit to be brought if eugene carroll chooses to do that? >> you know, she could. but these sorts of lawsuits, they are slow. this one took years, 2019 to 2024. i think this is the end of the litigation strategy, at least as far as e. jean carroll it's concerned. but what this becomes now is part of the public narrative about donald trump's fitness for office. e. jean carroll, i don't, think we'll go home following this

judgment. i've known her for a long time. we have been friends. i think she is someone who believes that people, men who do the sort of thing, should be held accountable. >> all right, this trial weighed heavily on trump. this week he shared a ton of false narratives and statements about carole. some of them previously ruled defamatory. 42 posts monday, 37 wednesday, here is the one that really gets me, 14 on friday while in court. that is pretty extraordinary. do you get the sense that the jury compensated carroll for all of these repeat offenses? the question is when? when will donald trump have to pay up? >> absolutely the jury consider this. roberta kaplan, e. jean carroll's lawyer, made this argument explicit. she said he has previously been found by a jury to be guilty of defamation. they awarded $5 million to carole. it was not enough to make him

stop. here he is with this entire barrage of social media posts, including one that said, and i can't quit it exactly, but words to the effect of i have said this before and i will continue to say it, i will continue. and she highlighted the. i think donald trump, you know, house no one to think about himself for this large amount of damage. the issue of when it will be collected has an uncertain answer. donald trump is entitled to appeal. alina habba has says she will do that. he will have to post an appeal bond to get there. interesting fact about the former trial, the judgment is $5 million. donald trump did not post an appeal bond. he actually paid the full about, five point $5 million, because it is the amount of the judge said plus interest into the court fund. i don't know if that is because he couldn't get an appeal bond, or didn't want to, but now he's facing a much more difficult -- >> in other words, he parted

with five and a half million dollars of his money. that is something that has yet to get into the hands of e. jean carroll. correct? >> yes. because the appeal is still underway. >> okay. let's move to the trump racketeering, the georgia election case there that you've been writing about hugo. because this week, a judge unsealed, lead prosut, nathan waits, divorce case. trump now joining a motion to disqualify weight and willis over their alleged affair and accusing willis of trying to have racial bias. is there any facts coming from this divorce proceeding that could weigh into trump's case? or? not completely separate? >> as of right now there is nothing in the unsealed docket in the divorce proceeding. there was a media coalition attempt to unseal it. there was also -- the lawyer for mike roman, the former trump operative who made these allegations in the first place in this complaint earlier this month.

there is nothing on the docket because the parties here, the top prosecutor and the prosecutor that fani willis alleged to have an affair with, they're in this continuing fight for two years. when it was unsealed we worked looked inside the docket and there was nothing there. but we now have, on the docket, in the racketeering case and evidentiary hearing to explore whether there is any basis to the claims being made by -- that is been scheduled for february 15th. we may get some information before that because we may have defamation -- fani willis. that is where we have to look at thiso e if any of the allegations are substantiated. >> joyce, our msnbc colleague legal analyst, barbarmcade, said the alleged affair has nothing to do with the guilt or innocence of the defendants. do you think these claims by trump and his codefendants can damage this case down the road in any way? >> so barb is absolutely right. even if these allegations are true, they have no bearing on

whether donald trump and his codefendants of fulton county are guilty. several of those codefendants have already pled guilty and acknowledge that they committed the crimes that they are charged with. that is not impacted. the issue here is whether or not either fani willis or nathan wade should be disqualified from further participation in this prosecution. under georgia law, at least based on what we know now, there does not appear to be any grounds for disqualification. they have no conflict of interest, for instance, they have no incentive to alter the outcome of the case. that could be a problem if you had a judge in a prosecutor, a judge and a witness who were involved. that is not in this situation. but politically, what hey will donald trump make with this? that i think is the issue here. trump will use this to vilify the prosecutor, to delegitimized the prosecution. so regardless of the merits legally, of this situation, there will be political

fallout. >> last question quickly, d.c. trial is scheduled for march 4th. if there is a take up on that day, doesn't get delayed? how long does this go? does it get decided before the election? >> it is hard to meet that date now, judge chutkan had scheduled the start of jury selection for february. we are almost there. still no opinion from the court of appeals in d.c.. they, and perhaps the supreme court, will control the timing and whether the case can get back on trial. >> you go enjoy, such a pleasure, come back every saturday. >> absolutely. >> appreciate you both. $83 million, that is not a drop in the bucket. how might donald trump be reacting to this behind the scenes? former trump white house practically terry, stephanie grisham, gives me her take on that later on this hour. in the meantime, there is one big mystery surrounding israel-hamas war negotiations today. we are back in 60 seconds with that. >>

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burns is expected to soon meet in europe with leaders from israel, egypt and qatar to negotiate the release of more hostages in gaza. the biden administration hoping an agreement can lead to an extended cease-fire that could eventually bring an end to the war. joining me now is former supreme allied commander of nader and msnbc chief international analyst, our good friend admiral james touré de. admiral, in question, why is the cia director leading these discussions? is that something for the secretary of state of the white house middle east envoy? i'm curious the cia significance here. >> well, i'm so glad you asked. the answer is actually two words. it's bill burns. it is who he is he is a career diplomat, two-time ambassador, wants to jordan, speaks beautiful, fluent arabic. he really knows the region. also, when i worked with him, we as a commander in nato he

was our ambassador in moscow. so he's familiar with dealing with difficult regimes. and in addition to all of that he was at one time the number two state department, the highest that any career foreign service officer has obtained. he is, in every sense, a diplomat. now you combine that with his time significantly in the intelligence world. he is truly the whole package. he is the perfect person to negotiate in this tricky tricky situation. >> so let me ask you quickly, qatar's prime minister is part of these meetings but his counterparts, his intelligence counterparts from egypt and israel are the ones in the meeting. do you think it is because they know him so well? or is this something about what they do, what they bring to the table that will make this interesting and unique? >> it's a bit of both, alex,

anytime the head of intelligence for a nation is involved, you know that going in, the best capable sight picture is obtained by that individual. and secondly, the intelligence, folks, they stand alongside their military counterparts. bo burns and the director of cia spent a lot of time working with and around secretary of defense, lloyd austin, and jake sullivan, the national security adviser. and that is true in each of the other countries involved in this negotiation. it is kind of an inter agency process. therefore, again, the best person i can think of for r seat at the table is certainly director, bill burns. >> reporter: hearty endorsemen there. let me ask you about israel, as you know, reporting -- offering the 60-day pause in fighting in exchange for a phased release of theorthan 100 remaining hostages. a proposal that hamas rejected.

they are saying the next hostage was least could include a permanent cease-fire. given your understanding, admiral, of these negotiations, are you at all optimistic about a deal? are you thoughtful on what the sticking points might be? >> i am cautiously optimistic that we will get some further number of hostages released. in that, i think that is why director burns is involved. i think he would not go unless there was a realistic chance of moving the needle on the hostages. i think, however, a permanent cease-fire is not going to be put in place at this point. there are really two reasons. one is that the continuing presence of the hamas leadership inside gaza -- i can see the sting ending, alex, if they were allowed to leave and go to a different nation altogether. perhaps to qatar. so watch that spot, hamas

leadership, real sticking point. the second one is that the incredible complex of tunnels that the hamas has built under gaza, this is gazis -- 20 miles long, six miles wide, 400 miles of tunnels underneath. the israelis are going to insist those be decommissioned, blown up, flooded, whatever. those are going to be the two real sticking points in the conversation. >> do you have any idea how many miles of tunnels have been destroyed already in the last month since october 7th? >> i do. it is a tiny number. perhaps 10%. perhaps 10%. because it is hard, number one, and number two, alex, you will understand this, hostages are somewhere in those tunnel complex. so the israelis are moving with extraordinary caution. but actually destroyed, 10% or so. that number will go up

overtime. obviously it has to. but it is going to be a major military objectives before this campaign can be deemed to be completed on the israeli side. >> reporr:mong six legally binding orders on friday, at the u.n.'s top court offered a stunning rebuke, ordering israel to make sure that it didn't commit acts of genocide in gaza, stopped short of calling for an immediate cease fire. many israeli leaders push back on the perception of genocide. the association with genocide prompts this question, sir. does this affect israel standing anth u.s. support for the war against hamas? >> i don't think this ruling by the international criminal court -- the court of justice, excuse, me is going to have a significant impact. here is why. going in, it was clear that this was going to be a tribunal that was overwhelmingly non

sympathetic to the israeli side of this conversation. actually the court landed kind of in the middle. just short of calling this genocide. but coming down strongly, correctly in my view, behind the israeli obligations to care for the civilian population in gaza. in effect, the court kind of played the ball down the middle here. but i don't see it having a significant effect in any real dimension, alex. >> okay, our good friend, thank you so much. james stavridis. a new day with new threats, what's being said on both sides in an attempt to hammer out a border deal. every epic footlong deserves the perfect sidekick. there are some things that work better together. like your workplace benefits and retirement savings. voya provides tools that help you make the right investment and benefit choices. so you can reach today's financial goals. and look forward to a more confident future.

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dead on arrival. joining us now, nbc's gary grumbach, and new york times political reporter, karen demirjian. thank you for joining me, both of you. what are you hearing today, gary, on the hill about this deal? >> this deal is still very much in the works. they are still in the process of writing the actual text of the bill. we hope to get it sometime later this week but that hasn't stopped anybody from sharing their opinions on what they think or hope will be on the bill. even among republicans you are hearing a very different thing. i want you to listen to josh hawley and mitt romney, two very different republicans for their takes on this. >> i am not going to vote for 50,000 more green cards. we have way too much to play for in the country. i'm not gonna vote for 5000 people over the border a day before we shut down the border. i'm not gonna vote for expedited work permits for illegal immigrants. if that is what is in the deal, and who knows, because we haven't seen, it but that is what i'm told all the time. if that's what it, i'm not voting for. it >> formal president trump

has indicated to senators that he does not want us to solve the problem at the border. he wants to lay the blame for the border at biden. and at the idea that someone running for president would say please hurt the country so i can play my opponent and help my politics is a shocking development. >> what mitt romney said there is a shopping development is actually happening over and over again. donald trump saying in a post this morning, that, quote a bad border deal is far worse than no border deal at all. alex? >> reporter: so karen, to you, the president released a lengthy statement yesterday urging lawmakers to get this deal done. if biden said it gives him the deal -- opportunity to shut down the border. you wrote an article in the times about the presidents response. what message is he sending? >> this is very tough language coming from biden. that's why it's so striking. he saying give me these tools and i will use them to flex my muscle and shut down the

border. which is not usually how you hear democratic presidents talk. technically speaking he doesn't have much of a choice here. the way this deal is structured, if daily crossings to get past 5000, he has to shut down intake at the border. that's instruction, not a question of whether he's willing or not willing to do it. he is saying give me these extra tools and his critics are saying you could flex this muscle right now through the -- executive power. what we're seeing is the leaders on either party basically taking office it sides on this. it's becoming a question of who can outmuscled the other on the border and will they be able to sway votes in the senate and eventually the house? we >> so karen, the president says he will shut down the border if necessary. is it establish yet what necessary means? >> again, it depends on if they are able to strike this deal. if they are able to strike this deal then there will be a trigger threshold. the number of migrants that can

transpire on a daily basis for the intake has to shut down. that appears to be around 5000 people per day. and the question is, you know, what happens when they put all of these tools that are in the package into actual force? they are talking about making it more difficult to claim asylum, to expand detention centers, giving the administration additional powers to deport and detain -- and funding all of those as well. democrats and republicans who support this construct will say look, that's going to bring down the overall number of people trying to cross the border without the visas on any given day. we won't see the days where we have more than 10,000 people trying to cross the border. the chaotic situation that we've seen result. republicans on the other hand are saying that we don't really believe you. because this has gotten -- the searches have continued under your administration because you have said that you won't take steps like this that we think you could take absent

this deal. so why should we think that you're actually going to enforce this deal? the question of what is necessary is really defined by what happens next, if all of these things are implemented, and what the situation is. then >> i want to give everyone a quick update on what we're seeing right there. that is the president getting off of marine one. he's arriving to joint base andrews, he is heading to south carolina, specifically columbia. he will be arriving there and then heading to a political event to give some remarks at the south carolina state fairgrounds in columbia. and then later on, he will be participating in a big dinner, there are a lot of democratic high rollers there that are going to be there as the president is now boarding air force one again. he will be departing shortly from columbia, south carolina. there we see him. gary, republicans, they are not hiding that they are taking their marching orders from donald trump. what are we saying about this? i know you played senators trump in halle there, but

overall, what is the sentiment? >> this speaks to where the republican party is right. now elected members of congress that are republicans in this building are so afraid of saying or doing anything that may alienate donald trump and cause him to lash out. therefore they will support, among his supporters -- the tensions came to a head this week when senate majority, mitch mcconnell, came out and talked about the idea that he didn't want to undermine anything donald trump wanted to do in november as it relates to the border. as you, heard senator romney, senator kramer, nobody's idea of a moderate, said no, we want to get this done. out not wait until after the election. >> by the, way i demoted the former president's senator. i met senator romney. we how much political pressure is the president feeling in order to make a deal on the border? how much are democrats willing to give up to make this happen? >> i think president biden and democrats are feeling a significant amount of political

pressure to do something here and they have gone far in their changes that they are willing to accept. is it the last thing republicans want? absolutely. not this is not your average deal being made here. usually when you're talking about restrictions that are the strange, and you're talking about balancing them with legal pathways to citizenship that are opening up. and protests in the current measures. that is not the trade-off that's happening. here we're talking border enforcement for ukraine money. that is a very significant step. it is something that has divided the country. not every democrat is divided on this country. but many are saying -- it's put them in an existing -- interesting political position. if this falls apart they will probably turn to republicans and say you couldn't take yes for an answer. we've gone farther than we've ever gone before. does -- the question, is we seeing how many republicans are on board, it's a different question.

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declaring victory after a jury ordered former president, donald, trump to pay her more than $83 million in damages for repeatedly defaming her. and now trump's sole remaining primary opponent is speaking out, nbc news senior legal correspondent has the latest. >> another victory for, writer e. jean carroll. a long running defamation battle against donald trump. the former president now facing a staggering $83 million in damages. carol saying in a statement, this is a great victory for every woman who stands up when she's been knocked down, and a huge defeat for everybody who is -- trying to drag a woman down. they appealed the verdict -- [inaudible] his attorney, blasting the judge, saying the deck was stacked against her client from the beginning. >> [inaudible] the judge decided that every

single defense president trump had we were not allowed to raise in front of the jury. >> carol -- orders, she was a liar. [inaudible] >> it's terrible, it was a total -- anything about her. >> it is those words from mr. trump and his social media posts that -- [inaudible] followed that kicked off the entire [inaudible] a torrent of threats online from trump supporters who were [inaudible] reputation. in may, a different jury found mr. trump had sexual relations -- sexually abused [inaudible] was no longer president, awarding her $5 million. this second jury left only [inaudible] the judge [inaudible]

jury returning their unanimous verdict after three hours of deliberation friday. mr. trump's [inaudible] medical rivalry -- it is saying in part, quote, donald trump wants to be the presumptively republican [inaudible] damages. we are not talking about fixing the border,[inaudible] >> thanks to laura jarrett for that report. at a defense when he took the stand of e. jean carroll defamation lawsuit. -- [inaudible] i just want to defend myself. joining me now, stephanie grisham former -- press secretary and former [inaudible] good to see you again stephanie.

let's get into. this how did trump react to the jury behind the scenes? what is happening [inaudible] ? >> i thought immediately i would not want to be anywhere near the [inaudible] e. jean carroll. i can't imagine how [inaudible] [inaudible] -- continue to wind about what a victim [inaudible] there's no way that he's happy about this. >> the fact that he was

continuing to defame her, it really [inaudible] . he says he was defending the honor of his family and the presidency. you were in the white house [inaudible] . >> look, it's out of his playbook. he was not defending himself in that -- in the best natural terms, he was trying to undermine a woman that the jury found him liable for sexually abusing. so he was trying to undermine, as always, does anybody who tries to stand up to him or [inaudible] he tried to undermine her. that was a tough time in the white house. i recall sitting in the oval office with him. i wrote about this in my book. we were talking about her and, of course, you, know he was saying that he would not touch her because she was so unattractive. it wasn't that, oh i'm a married, man i would never do that. i'm a good person. it was just how unattractive she was. and i remember calling him, him

telling me all you do is deny in the situation, stephanie, you just deny everything all the time. i remember feeling like that was a test for me because he stared me down when he asked me that. and he knew of course that i'm very close -- was close to millennia at the time. that was one of many different women who had allegations against him. it was tough time in that white house, just because of my relationship with melania. >> look, you mentioned, her do you think that melania was possibly his target audience in all of this? everything that he said, all the denials? is he speaking to a party of one in some ways? >> i think. so it's my understanding that she has been really pressuring him to go out there and defend himself in this particular case. so i think absolutely, he's probably trying to defend himself with her. but also, he's running for president. so he's wanting to make sure that he is using this to his advantage and, as i said earlier, fundraising off of it and whining about how the system is so stacked against

him. >> but let's face, it ney is so important to him. do you expect this sizeable award is finally going to make him stop talking about it e. jean carroll? does he have the ability to rein himself in? >> he's got the ability to do it for a few hours or perhaps a few days. no is my short answer. i don't think that he will be able to. i think he is speaking today so it's going to be interesting if he can keep his mouth closed about that. he certainly has already said he's going to appeal. i would hope that his attorneys and his family are all telling him, you need to stay quiet, because it's my understanding that she could continue to just sue him again if she wants to. i don't know that i would want to put that -- put myself through that if i were her, but the short answer is no. i don't think he can. he cannot control himself. it's something we watch now for six years in the political world. >> let's talk about when trump won in new hampshire on tuesday. what should have been a victory

speech, he was really hostile towards nikki haley in a way that someone argue was misogynistic, crass, here is just a little bit of that. take a listen. >> who the hell was the impostor that went up on the stage before and claimed a victory? i find it, life you can't let people get away with [bleep]. you just can't do that. and when i watched her, with the fancy dress that probably was not so fancy, how up i said, what is she doing? we won? >> i mean, stephanie, her dress? do trump voters care about haley's dress? order they relish his snarky comments? >> absolutely they relish his starkey comments. it was such an interesting split screen when you consider what he was like after the iowa caucuses. he was very calm, he was very gracious towards desantis. he was gracious towards vivek. of course they fell in line and

did what he wanted. that is why he was obviously being gracious to them. but it was such a different speech, and clearly she has gotten under his skin. especially with the reports that the republican national committee was going to potentially make him their nominee. i understand he was behind that. so the fact that she is still out there and still fighting, good for her. i wish she would've done it sooner obviously. i was disappointed that she, yesterday, did not acknowledge that e. jean carroll was sexually -- he was found liable for sexually abusing. harshest talking about the $83 million. however, keep going. keep fighting him. he needs to have somebody do this so that people can continue to see who he really is. in the primary, i think it's going to work? no. he's probably going to be the nominee. but i still think it's fundamentally important for the rest of the country to start seeing him again and how he is towards women and how he is towards anybody who dares cross him. >> i want to play an exchange between donald trump and south

carolina senator, tim scott. who is on the stage tonight. let's watch this. >> did you ever think that she actually appointed you, tim? think about, appointed, you are the senator of his state. she endorsed me. you must really hate her. no, it's a shame. >> oh. >> i just love you! >> what do you make of this? >> honestly, i was disgusted. i was so disappointed in tim scott when he went ahead and endorsed donald trump. but for that to happen on stage, it was a reminder of when we, in 2016, had won and he was -- trump was interviewing people for cabinet positions and i recall recalled a time when he took senator romney to a restaurant in new york and he

had me bring the press in and get a picture of them, eating dinner and it was because romney was maybe going to get a position in the cabinet. then trump ended up just leaving senator romney on the sidewalk with no job. that is exactly what it reminded me of when i saw him do that to tim scott. it's just his exercises in humiliation. everybody should know that you can go and adores him and to do all of these things and he will never ever be loyal to you. he will never repeat with anything but humiliation and eventually you'll get thrown under the bus in some way. so i hope this the few minutes was worth it for tim scott. you know, i'm sure he's angling for a vp drop or cabinet position. the whole thing was truly pathetic. and i was embarrassed for him. >> stephanie grisham, we have theory -- appreciate your candor and coming on the show. thank you so, much we'll see you again soon. they are important to almost everyone in this country, coming up next, the five words that could help joe biden win in november.

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eye on las vegas, the center of the political world today where donald trump and vice president harris are set to speak later today. we give the somebody a we saw just moments ago for las vegas. early voting in las vegas today, a little more than a week before the state holds its primary caucuses. the biden white house and all the trump adult often see eye to eye. there is one thing that they agree. on donald trump is responsible for overturning roe v. wade. in wisconsin this week, vice president kamala harris pinned the blame squarely on trump who proudly takes credit for limiting abortion access for millions of women. >> the former president's hand picked three supreme court justices because he intended for them to overturn roe.

it is a decision he brags about. >> 54 years they were trying to get roe v. wade terminated, i did, i'm proud to donna. we did it, we did something that was a miracle. >> joining me now is adrian elrod, democratic strategist and former senior aide on the biden harris campaign. good to see you, adrian. abortion. this is a top a list of pillars for the biden campaign to win reelection. also on that list are the trump factor, obamacare, the economy, and immigration. let's go through together. we are going to start with abortion rights. the question is, how effective has this been as a talking point for the vice president while she has been out campaigning? >> it's been incredibly effective, alex. it has been a strong issue. on my personal opinion i think i share this view with many other people across the country. she is no better on any other issue then going out and talking about women's reproductive freedom. that is why she's doing this

tour across the country. she is taking this to the road, taking it directly to the voters. not just in states that matter, like swing states for the elections, but also to red states. states that, frankly, have little relevance in terms of the election. it is an issue that resonates with maga voters, it is an issue that resonates with a lot of conservative voters. and the democratic base, as well. a lot of women, frankly a lot a man, want women to have their own reproductive freedom, their own ability to make decisions for their own body. we saw the ballot measure pass in very conservative kansas. pretty red ohio. the ballot in many other states. it is smart for her to be out there crisscrossing the country for talking about that. >> let's talk about the trump factor following trump's win in new hampshire. the president said it is clear he will be the republican nominee. how best can biden use his rhetoric, legal entanglements, and overall chaos during his administration to get voters to the polls? >> alex, i think the president

has been very effective and actually using donald trump's own words, whether he posted on truth social or whether he says it in any event he uses his own words to show and demonstrate how divisive and controversial don trump's. i think that is a very effective tactic. look, the campaign made it very clear the biden campaign set out for new hampshire that donald trump is the nominee. they are ready to take this to the general election. they are ready to start that to person binary race. again, the primary is pretty much over, even though trump has not, in my view, had a lot of successes so far. i will healy got half the republican supporting him. also in new hampshire. he did horribly among independents and moderate republicans. nonetheless, it does look like he's going to be the nominee. the biden campaign is ready to take this to the general election. >> what about obamacare? you know they are booming right now. a record 21 million people have already signed up for marketplace plans this month.

trump said multiple times he is going to dismantle the program if he returns to the white house. is this a gift for biden's campaign? >> absolutely we have seen republicans trying to repeal obamacare. not only does it fail, it is overwhelmingly unpopular among the american people. it is not an effective strategy. we have seen this lose for hope against time and time again. it is going to be a losing issue for trump in 2024. >> okay. adrian elrod, thank you. we will have a lot to talk about this year. we will see you back here soon. thanks. seven men, two women, $83 million. the jury and the judgment against donald trump. how these damages were calculated in our next hour.

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