convicted school shooter, ethan crumbley. this is the first time a parent has been charged in connection with a child's mass shooting. new york city museum of new york history is closing several exhibits displaying native american artifacts. the sudden move comes after recent changes to federal regulations requiring museums to consult and get approval from tribes, or descendants, before displaying human remains and sacred objects. the uk's queen camilla spending another day visiting king charles at the hospital. a spokesperson for the royal family said the king is doing well after a planned procedure for an and large prostate. it is not clear how long he will remain in the hospital. in just moments washington post columnist alexei mccain and talks to me about nikki haley and the significance of a woman being donald trump's primary challenger. democratic strategist antjuan see right on the hurdles whether biden faces in south carolina with the black voters and we're gonna do some math we are going to out of the damage from donald trump's 83 million-dollar verdict.

with a very good day, from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome to all of you to alex witt reports. it is three pm eastern, out west. the campaign season certainly heating up with events on both coasts. president biden is campaigning in columbia, south carolina today. republican candidate, nikki haley, it campaigning trust about 90 miles or so away. early voting starts today in nevada and vice president kamala harris is in las vegas. so is gop front runner, donald trump. also new today, trump is reiterating his call for senate republicans to reject a bipartisan border deal that ties ukraine aid to border security. speaker mike johnson's already said that bill may be dead on arrival in the house. president biden is urging congress to get on board. saying he will use his authority and the bills provisions to, quote, shut down the border. meanwhile, texas is escalating its efforts to divide this week

's supreme court ruling. refusing to allow federal officials to remove razor wire the state hasn't solved along the southern border. the other big story we are following this hour, 83.3 million dollar jury reward against donald trump in the e. jean carroll defamation lawsuit. nbc news reporter adam reeves was in a new york courtroom created a traumatic events. >> it was a tale of two realities in the 26 courtroom. e. jean carroll's attorney roberta kaplan telling her story. she went on and on and on. he just couldn't handle it. he was so furious, he stood up and he stormed out of the courtroom with his secret service agents chasing him. >> trump and his lawyer both say they intend to appeal right away. >> we will immediately appeal. we will set aside that ridiculous jerry. i want to remind you all of one thing, i will continue with president trump to fight for everyone's first amendment right to speak.

everyone has a right to defend themselves when they are wrongfully accused, to be able to say, i didn't do it. >> we have a number of reporters in alice in place to cover all of today's big developments. let's begin with nbc's louis kreutz who's joining us from las vegas. welcome again to you, liz. what is the trump campaign saying after last night's verdict in new york? >> hey, alex. no word from the campaign yet. when you reach out they just point you to the statement that former president trump made on truth social. where he essentially said that, or he did say, this is a witch hunt led by biden. he said it is absolutely ridiculous. he said, as you've been mentioning, he plans to appeal. talking to folks here, supporters who are coming out to the rally today in las vegas, they all say that they believe it is a hoax despite the evidence, despite the conviction. they think that this is some conspiracy to try to get trump out of the race. here is what one woman told me about what she thinks this will

mean moving forward for the general election. >> it will bring more to him. it brought me even more into him, because i had been a victim of sexual assault. i didn't wait 30. years i did it right away. you know? >> you think seeing all these court cases will actually boost his support? >> that is what i believe. here among his base it is really rallying them together. they tell me they hope they hear him say that he plans to fly any plans to appeal. whether or not he brings about today, that is what we are all waiting to see. he will be onstage in the next hour or so. he probably won't mention her by name. we noticed that she might be more careful with that now that he is in trouble with that. he might just talk about the trial as a whole being this witch hunt. we also heard him go off on social media on truth social

today about the border. back it also be something he is going after today. we heard from his supporters that they don't care about this trial, they care about immigration reform and the economy. >> look where you are there in nevada. that is a state that both parties are battling for november. from the flipside, how are democrats trying to win over voters? >> at the same time that trump has his rally here right now, not too far away. vice president kamala harris here she has to campaign events. this coincides with the first day of early voting for the primary. both campaigns really have their eye on the general for the state. it is a very competitive swing state here. the democrats just today are beginning a new six figure ad campaign targeting minority voters, communities of color. these ads are going to be in spanish and chinese. they are going to be on college campuses, billboards, targeting young voters. really underscores the democrats efforts to go after a diverse voter base. we are also seeing a little bit

of trolling here as these two campaigns battle for nevada. circling the rallies here, paid for by the dnc, it is a big sign that says, talking about trump's record on abortion. goes after him for roe v. wade. i know you're just talking about that, as well. that is clearly something they're trying to raise as well, alex. >> okay. it is getting loud there behind you. i will let you go. turn around and see what is going on. thank you so much, liz. it is good to see you. joining me here in studio, danny cevallos. a criminal defense attorney and msnbc legal analyst. let's go back to all that money. 83 point $3 million. danny, it is a huge sum of money. 65 million of which is punitive damages. how is this going to impact donald trump, this decision? >> it is hard to say. he will certainly move to stay this judgment. you get about 14 days under the rules to hold off on paying that judgment. technically you have to either

post a bond. in theory, he asked to put up all the money in escrow. or move the court to stay and avoid having to pay that bond. it is really up to the court, ultimately. will it affect donald trump? you have to imagine it would affect anyone. with all of these judgments mounting up, new york state, the a.g.'s case, that is coming to a close. that is going to be another verdict, in all likelihood. a lot of these verdicts, i don't care if your iman musk, jeff be zones, they are going to hit you hard with these dollar amounts. they have to! >> jury of seven men, two women. identities have been kept secret, presumably, for their own safety, as the judge was suggesting. don't discuss that you've served on this jerry. how do you think they calculated these damages? >> when it comes to defamation and punitive damages, those are two areas that are probably the hardest areas to come up with hard numbers. consider, for example, you have a breach of contract case. that is a lot easier. here is what i paid for the

product, i want my money back. that is an easy way to do. it in a personal injury case, if someone has a broken bone, put up the medical bills on the board. put up their lost wages. you put up the cost to give them therapy for the next, say, ten years to learn to walk. again those are hard numbers you can hang your hat on to. this is a lot more difficult. defamation? how do you measure the damage to the woman's reputation? the plaintiffs did a good job to put a expert on the stand to put a hard amount of what it would cost to repair the plaintiffs reputation. that is a number the jury can stick to. when it comes to pain and suffering from being defamed? even more complicated, in my view, punitive damages. how do you come up with a number that will punish donald trump? not just anyone. it matters how much money the person has. that is why in punitive damages cases you can get discovery on a defendant's financial condition. show to the, jerry, here is what this person is worth. this is $1 amount that will hurt them. punitive damages are really an

exercise in intangibles. so to our damages in defamation cases. i imagine my guess, that we will never, now is when they got into that jury room, there was a lot of horse trading. probably was a lot of debate. i bet they started out, different jurors have vastly different numbers in mind. eventually they reached a unanimous compromise. >> look, you make a really good point. in urging massive punitive damages, e. jean carroll's attorney argued this. let's take a listen to donald trump. he has bragged his mar-a-lago estate is worth one and a half billion dollars. the country club, that whole golf course, worth two billion dollars. he has also said when he testified that he's worth billions of dollars. he even said he could pay 1 million dollars day for ten years and still have money in his account. bottom line is his own braggadocious get him into this mess? with kind of money? >> a brilliant move by the attorneys. they took his deposition from the new york attorney generals case. his motive in that case is the opposite. his motive in that case is to say, hey, my company, me and my

brand. we are all worth billions and billions of dollars. therefore, i didn't falsify records, therefore i didn't defraud banks. but his motive in that case and supporting him in this case. the plaintiffs take that and say, hey jury, this is how much he says he's worth. not me, not anyone else. >> there is no way you can spin that. oh i didn't mean it was that much money! >> juries love when people step on land mines and get themselves into trouble with their own testimony. they love holding people to their word. i imagine when they saw that they went back in the jury room and said, look, the guy said millions and millions of dollars. so, that's hit him where it hurts. i think that is probably what happened. this punitive damages reward roughly 45 times the compensatory damage award. that is in the area that is going to get upheld, i believe, by the appellate courts. it's when you get into multiples of, let's, say 20 to 50 times the compensatory damages. that is when appellate courts may reduce it on appeal. 45 times? that is right in the heartland

of what punitive damages usually are. >> donald trump has said, on social media, he is going to appeal. let's take a listen to his attorney, lena habba, after the verdict last night. rney the behavior i saw in t, some of which was reported widely today, gave us the most perfect record on appeal, even if i needed it, which i don't, we were stripped of every defense. every single defense before we walked in there. i am proud to stand with president trump. he showed up, he stood up, he took the stand and he faced this judge. you know what? i will continue to do so with him. >> does she have a case on appeal? >> no surprise that that would be what she would go for an appeal. in other words, she's gonna argue to the appellate court that i was not allowed to put on my case. i was too limited by the judge in the evidence i couldn't use in the avenues that could pursue on both direct and cross-examination. most notably, i expect would argue, look, donald trump should've been able to testify about things like his state of mind. that goes to punitive damages.

she may have a point. when you are peeling, make no mistake about. it is not usually a brand new fresh look at what the trial court. did most of the time the appeals court is gonna get deference to the trial court, especially on issues of admissibility of evidence and those decisions that a judge has to make at the trial court level in the moment. is this evidence coming in or is it? not appellate courts give a great deal of difference to trial court judges to make those decisions. they usually won't overturn them unless an abuse of discretion on appeal. >> you had something extraordinary. even during the trial, donald trump continued to post and say things that were vial, derogatory about e jean carroll, including the night before closing arguments posting this video. let's take a look. >> i don't even know who this woman is. i have no idea who she is, where she came from. this is another scam, a political witch hunt. somehow we are gonna have to

fight this. >> is he under the operating procedure, if i say it enough times, it'll make it true, kind of thing? is there any guarantee that he is going to actually stop defaming this woman because of 83 point $3 million. >> maybe not. if that video is any indicator he might not be any bit stopped by this verdict, by this verdict or the decisions, by other courts that have asked him to not talk about the core, to -- you know, he has been hit by all sides with these courts. i don't think you're going to change. every time he makes a video like that, he runs the risk of e. jean carroll going back to court. most of these issues have already been decided to the extent that he make statements that are substantially similar to the statement he got in trouble for, the court may just decide, look, this is what we call issue pro collusion. it has already been decided. we don't even need to have a trial. that's exactly what happened in this trial. there was no factual

determination as to whether or not what he said was defamatory. the judge determined it was so similar to what he said in the other case that it was defamatory, we do not need to have a trial on these issues. the more he does that, the more he runs the risk. he gets hit for big dollar amount damages when they put up those punitive. >> danny cevallos, thank you so much for breaking all down for. us also new today, president biden's deterrent south carolina later on this hour is his campaign begins taking place. where we now nbc news is allie raffa joining us from the white house. ali, welcome, what more can you tell us about the presidents trip to south carolina today? >> alex, the president expected to arrive in the palmetto state shortly where we expect him to spend the next two days. tonight, specifically, he will speak at a dinner hosted by the south carolina democratic party. the biden campaign is focused on allowing the president time to speak with voters on the ground in south carolina. specifically black voters who,

remember, basically helped the president when the presidency in 2020 after the coveted endorsement of congressman, now biden campaign co-chair, jim clyburn catapulted him to the democratic nomination. but support among the black voters has been slipping for the president in recent months with some of that support going to former president trump. we expect the biden campaign to be focused on how to boost momentum before the general election, specifically in the state among that voting bloc. remember, this is not expected to, necessarily, be a competitive state with president biden being the clear favorite, obviously, in a democratic primary. south carolina being a solidly red state. it is very important as far as where the results are as far as the south carolina primary to see how well the president does and how well specifically with black voters. how the president alone spearheaded this effort.

the first day instead of new hampshire to allow more diverse representation of voters earlier in the primary. we can expect the president, while he is on the ground there, to tell what we have seen him thao. when he makes these trips and states all of the country. his legislative accomplishments that are aimed at lowering inflation, boosting job numbers, creating more manufacturing jobs. that is something the houses top democrat, hakeem jeffries, talked about earlier today on this network. listen here. >> president biden now has this track record of success. >> the stock market is down, inflationary pressures down. small businesses who are being created on record numbers. more team in campaign jobs have been brought about during the biden economy. that is a tremendous foundation to continue to build upon. >> in addition to the economy,

the biden team says he can expect the president to talk about his efforts on student loan forgiveness, lowering prescription drug costs as well as the investments it is his administration has made with hbcus, historically black colleges and universities, alex. >> thank you so much. new reaction from capitol hill as border security talks intensify. we are back in 60 seconds. with centrum silver. jordan's sore nose let out a fiery sneeze, so dad grabbed puffs plus lotion to soothe her with ease. puffs plus lotion is gentle on sensitive skin and locks in moisture to provide soothing relief. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. america's #1 lotion tissue. of the immigration battle

plays out this weekend in washington, texas governor greg abbott is vowing more razor wire will be installed along the southern border of his state. long rows razor wire up near the rio grande and eagle pass and texas. abscess texas is simply protecting itself from illegal immigration. derek dunbar case back with us right now. what is the white house's response? is this fueling the feud between biden and abbott? >> it absolutely. is they are checking this out to a political stunt. yet another political stunt

that makes it only more dangerous and more important for something to happen as it relates to legislation on the border. the latest in a long line of political stunts. we have seen this as part of operation lone star, it is called. just last december, governor greg abbott putting in a state law that makes it a state crime to pass in between any ports of entry for the migrants coming from mexico into texas itself. also, as we have seen, all the busing of migrants has happened from texas to democrat run cities around the country. negotiators are here on capitol hill trying to bang out some sort of voter deal. brian nobles here at nbc called it live support earlier this week. we do think it is something that is going to happen this week. we should be getting text later this week. here is what democrats, hakeem jeffries, had to say about it. >> the senate democrats have been working in good faith along with the administration to try to arrive to an

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donald trump wrapping up attacks against each other ahead of their next showdown in the. and with just a few days until that next crucial primary, the sniping between the two candidates seems to be taking on a new level. >> i find in life you cannot

let people get away with bowl [bleep]. you just can't do that. when i watched her, in a fancy dress, probably wasn't so fancy, i said what is she doing? we won? >> he was insulting. he was doing what he does. but i know that is what he does when he's insecure. i know that is what he does when he is threatened. and he should feel threatened. without a doubt. >> nikki haley has been going after the former president more directly in recent. days haley posted this message questioning trump's mental fitness after she says that he mixed her up with e. jean carroll in a video that he released this week about the case. she's also selling these t-shirts after trump said haley donors would be permanently barred from the maga camp. joining me now is opinion editor and writer of the washington post and an msnbc political analyst, alexei mccann. and it is great to see you here, my friend. you wrote about how nikki haley is doing. specifically how her gender matters in this race.

look, she is a long shot at becoming the nominee. but a woman is trump's biggest primary challenger right now. talk about the significance of that. >> yeah. as a road in my column for the washington post opinions, and for my new newsletter called trump 2024. it is remarkable that the same republican elector that is rewarding a man like donald trump who is currently in court for defending himself against defamation claims for something he was found liable he of sexual assaulting in the 90s, those same voters are picking a woman that's your second vessel turn it up to donald trump. i do not think many people in the beginning of this primary thought that nikki haley for whatever reason would not make it this far. a lot of focus was on desantis, the rest of the field was men, nikki haley has not made gender a centerpiece of her campaign. but she has not shied away from, it and she has shown a nancy pelosi like a way of being this

tough woman, who can hang with the guys but who is not going to back down when they are bullying her, or threatening her, she certainly not going to drop out of the race just because trump wants her to. >> i love the way that she has framed everybody in the race. how are south carolina primary voters, particularly suburban women, reacting to trump and haley? >> suburban women and also the suburbs in general have been rejecting trump and the republican party at large since 2016. we saw in the 2022 midterms, from virginia to kentucky, to kansas, democratic candidates up and down the ticket we're winning over suburban women because of the issues of democracy, gun rights, abortion, haley is very unique in this republican primary for many reasons. not least of one, she's the only female voice on the issue of abortion rights and

reproductive rights. whether or not you agree with her, that matters to have that sort of perspective out there. but at the end of the, day as you know, well alex, women are not going to vote for women candidates just because we are all women. and in fact, in the new hampshire primary, in our washington post exit polls, haley and trump were actually split with women, about 50 50, which was very interesting to me. that said, the more that abortion, social issues, trump's treatment of women in the past, and now become the forefront of this election, the less that things like the economy or other issues might be front of mind for these women, who otherwise will reject trump for those very things we are talking about. >> you heard haley responded to the e. jean carroll verdict last night by saying about trump wants to be the presumptive republican nominee, we are talking about $83 million in damages. we are not talking about fixing the border, or tackling inflation. america can do better than donald trump and joe biden.

is there a space for her to capitalize on this and pick up votes? >> yeah, i mean, i think that there is certainly a space whether or not it is for her to be ultimately successful in 2024, for someone to say i understand the frustration as many voters have with the current two party system, with the two likely nominees of both parties, of course there have to be a better way forward. i think that is the republican party's problem with donald trump leading the party and being the likely nominee at this, point he does not have a clear vision for the future that he can offer to folks in a way that would grow the republican coalition. he is not really reaching out to independents or moderates. he's not making enough for to be more appealing to women voters, or into people of color. or folks that he disagrees with. it is very hard to grow a coalition. nikki haley, right, now what she is doing is playing the long game. of course she's got south carolina, and if she stays through that contest and loses, that could be damaging to her

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gavin newsom was here this week as well. but we also heard that message from the presidents top lieutenants here in south carolina, congressman jim clyburn. and he's been trying to convince black voters that they should support president biden again. >> i didn't come here to tell you who to vote for. i came here to tell you who you must not vote for. >> south carolina congressman, jim clyburn, from a church pulpit last week targeting former president, donald trump, blasting his comments about the country's first black president, and accusing him of wanting to make medication more expensive. >> there are forces at work that are attempting to turn the clock back. >> reporter: as a biden campaign co-chair, he is also combatting a pulling reality. most recent nbc news survey taken in november showing 61% of black voters would choose biden over a republican. but in 2020, our exit polls

showed biden won 87% of the black vote. clyburn's endorsement back then was seen as a key to biden unlocking black votes in the party's nomination. the representative has been a leading voice for decades, revered and south carolina. he calls himself president biden's validator. >> what does he need to do to make people feel like he has done a good job? >> i think he has done a good job and that is what we have got to do. get people to see that. >> reporter: the biden campaign isn't shrugging off the slip in polling but it doesn't have a problem, it has a plan. dispatching surrogates to black communities and targeting medias like this one. >> on his first day, president biden signed an executive order to address racial inequity, getting ahead with the president, joe biden was putting in the work for black americans. >> thank you, thank you. >> reporter: with the election less than a year away, the biden harris ticket is ramping up big crowd appearances. but clyburn says that they also mean more advocates like him pressing the flesh, and repeatedly telling the

democrats story. >> tell them what the rescue plan is all about. tell them what the infrastructure deal is all about. inflation reduction act, and the pack act for god sake. >> reporter: clyburn is also pushing the congregation to the voting booth with a sobering history lesson explaining how one vote ended reconstruction after the civil war, and opened the door to the jim crow era. >> each and every one of you got the power of one vote. don't you sit quietly by. don't you remain silent. >> that is what i want to take back to my friends and people i know who do not vote. the difference in how that one vote changed everything. >> i have been in the fight, i know where we have come from. and i do not want to go back. >> now, the democratic national committee is taking the presidents message that you just heard out to the larger community nbc news has learned

that the dnc has just announced a six figure ad blitz that it will be doing here in south carolina and in nevada, both next to each other on the democratic primary calendar. and these ads will target communities of color, rural areas, and younger voters. of course, all, expenses the coalition that the presidt needs to build if he plans to win in november. alex? >> you are right, thank you for that. next sunday, february 4th, join msnbc correspondent tremaine lee, and civil rights attorney charles colemaor for an msnbc special, blackmon in america, the road to 2024. it is a candid lo america through the es of an overlooked voting bloc. black me speaking with house democratic leader, representative hakeem jeffries, platinum recoartist, jay-z, civil rights attorney, ben crump, reverend al sharpton, and more. black man in america, the road to 2024. sunday, february 4th at nine pm eastern on msnbc. also streaming on peacock. joining me now, antjuan

seawright, democratic strategist and founder and ceo of blueprint strategies. welcome to. you are from south carolina and you are there as well. what is your reaction to that report, anything to it? >> look, joe biden is not taking any constituency for granted that is why he's making a second official trip of a candidate to the states, the vice president moves over trips here, people who are coming to south carolina because everybody knows the political reference. the road to heaven, and it runs through south carolina. you cannot be the democratic nominee without strong, deep, and wide support among half the american voters and the state. people who passed the vote in the democratic primary who look like me, the most consequential, dedicated voters in a generation. so they will have an opportunity to really stop at the president support among asking american voters, urban voters, suburban voters, for the first time in an authentic

way. >> i love that you d e road to heaven as part of that through south carolina. that is fun. what about the democratic national committee out with the new ad campaign that is targeting minority, rural, and young voters in both nevada and south carolina? it focuses on getting out the vote, rejecting maga republicans, and highlighting issues like voting bites for a loan forgiveness. do you think these are messages you could give to south carolina? >> this is certainly an opportunity to test drive those messages. i think it is very smart for the dnc to start the outreach now. when you think about south carolina, you think about nevada, you think about a strong latino voter block in nevada, you think about a strong african american voter block in south carolina. and nevada, you think about voters in south carolina, those places, those are hotbeds for misinformation, disinformation. we call those real opportunities to educate voters

on what we have done. so it is an opportunity to rewind, through where we come from, it real forest. but to reengage voters in a deeper way, like we have done since joe biden has taken office. and the dnc has had this success, especially since the midterms, and the 2023 since joe biden has taken office. >> nikki haley, as you know is also in south carolina this weekend ahead of the primary later this month, a former two term governor of the state, does she have a shot at beating donald trump there? are her attack ads affective with south carolinians? >> i don't think so, i think that the -- i think the mistake the governor made is that she tried to embrace trumpism, while running away from the former president. and i think that what matters, as voters have proven time and time again that they want the real thing. they won this idea of a

different style of government that we can enjoy in this country. they want people who deny elections. they want people who could soften the capitol with protest. they want to believe this, they want to believe that we should tell congress that the former governor tried to have voters who are looking for, it and catered to the maga extremists. and she is suffering the consequences politically of that. i think after the february 24th election in south carolina, she will have the real decisions to make. >> south carolina senator, tim scott, endorsed trump after he dropped out of the race and had a pretty cringing campaign moment with the former president. he worked with democrats on legislation during the trump administration. give me the conventional wisdom around scott's endorsement of donald trump. >> obviously he sees the

handwriting on the wall and it is not cursive writing. he is trying to wrap himself further into the maga movement, i think that he's auditioning for an opportunity to serve at a greater level with the former president being on the ticket, perhaps. i also think that he's trying to figure out how he pops this pathway going forward. i am old enough to remember during his run for president, tim scott, unlike, others ran into opportunities to attack the former president. he leaned on this idea of how he was different and what he will be moving forward. on this, part if he was really not seeking and running for political actions. this moment, for him, although it was disappointing for all of us to see, particularly those of us who look like me, when he told the president that he just loves him and what comes along with the president. i think it was disappointing to see. but i will see what his political future holds when it comes down to trumpism because we know that it is a one-way street with the former

president. >> that was established a few times on the broadcast today. good to see you, come see me again, thank you so much. the big burning question about today's negotiations with the israel, hamas war, next. negotiations with th israel, hamas war, next.

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developments in the israel, hamas war. the directors and europe are expected to meet with top arab leaders. meanwhile, the u.s. stopped funding a u.s. agency about a unh and see after israel accused 12 of its employees of involvement in the hamas attack. take a look at this, it is new video of the indian navy responding to a commercial ship on fire. that should've been struck by the houthis and the gulf of aden. joining me now is nbc's matt bradley. let's get to the very latest in these renewed talks to release the hostages. what do you know?

when >> we are hearing that the cia chief, like you said, will be headed to europe this weekend. he will be meeting with his counterparts from israel and egypt and the idea is to revive these talks that are supposed to be freeing 100 hostages in the gaza strip. including six americans. hamas and israel are still very, very far apart on this issue. hamas says it won't be releasing all of those remaining hostages until israel agrees to a permanent and final cease-fire. israel has already essentially just said that is not going to happen. there is another complicating factor here. amongst the parties that are negotiating, it doesn't even necessarily involve hamas. we heard the prime minister of israel, leaked audio recording of the meeting in which netanyahu can be heard disparaging the role of qatar,

whose prime minister will be at these meetings with the head of the cia. he said qatar's role was smaller to that of the united nations or the international red cross. those are two aid organizations. you have to remember that netanyahu has been fourth sleek critical of the aid groups and the united nations. he's comparing it to that. it is creating a lot of bad blood among the coalition of nations that it is trying to free these hostages. >> thank you for that update. everyone, today is international holocaust remembrance day. a day nations around this world mourn one of the darkest chapters in human history when 6 million jews were murdered by the not seized during 1930s and 1940s. today's anniversary comes during an alarming rise of antisemitism sparked by the, israel-hamas war. joining me now is israel's special envoy for combatting antisemitism, i'm told we just

lost him. we are hoping to get her back in just a moment. it will be an incredible day to be honoring this. and we also understand the president, there we see him, he's in south carolina. he has arrived there at the columbia metro airport in west columbia, south carolina. you could see him talking with what looks like either supporters or those people who may have gathered. those have got to be official reporters. so you see jim clyburn there. that's it for the president. we will keep abreast on where he had to. next i will be very glad to say that we have mikal carter back. thank you for joining us. this year it is critically important to remember the lessons of the holocaust. hamas's october 7th attack was the worst atrocity committed against the jewish people in a single day since the terrible period. in the wake of hamas's vicious massacre, what do you hope that

people will reflect on today? me >> thank you for the opportunity. we mark 79 years since the holocaust remembrance day. not only the deliberation but as you said, the murder of 6 million jews. 79 years later we see this increase and spike in antisemitism in the wake of, as you described, the worst massacre of jews since the holocaust. what i hope is people understanding that the very same antisemitism that enables the atrocities, is the antisemitism that fueled the atrocities of ten seven by an organization and the responses to those atrocities, but the, neither silent, that justify, that support, and that attacked jews around the world in the wake of that very attack. >> yeah. as you know, the u.n., the

highest court there, ordered israel to do all it can to prevent death and destruction in gaza but stopped short of ordering a cease-fire and of calling the war an act of genocide. but there is a right-wing israeli politicians who say that the court is not seeking justice but the persecution of the jewish people. i'm curious your response to this rebuke of israel's war conduct and the timing ahead of the significant day today. >> the very allegations of the international court of justice that israel, in response to the worst attacks since the holocaust on its civilians in which thousands were burned to death, raped, murdered, and we're abducted by a genocidal terror organization whose state set its commitment, to commit genocide of jews, i would state that that is a preposterous allegation that the icj weaponized against the state of israel even at the defense.

the implication is that when the jewish nation state defends itself, that is genocide. genocide is a term that was coined especially by ruffling can in order to describe the atrocities of the holocaust. atrocities too terrible to a mansion but not too terrible to have happened. precisely that the hamas genocidal terror and other terror organizations like it in its charter commit to the annihilation of the state of israel, and to the murder of jews and the fact that the icj did not immediately dismiss and in fact condemn south africa for abusing its ability to utilize the convention for the prevention and the punishment of a crime of genocide weaponizing it in the same way that international law and its mechanisms and its institutions now the icj have been weaponized to demonize,