not let this happen to anyone else. >> for that reason, brigitte set up a bring bri justice foundation, advocating for a nevada law that would require anyone arrested for a felony, as biehle had been in 2002 to give a dna simple to be added to police databases, known as breonna's law. it passed in 2013. >> it is not like a brings breonna back to me. i guess i can just move on and do other things. >> it does not bring her back, but it kind of brought you back? >> yeah, kind of, kind of. >> that's all for this edition of dateline, i am andrea canning, thank you for watching. ♪ ♪ ♪ good morning, and welcome to this sunday edition of

morning joe: weekend. it was another monumental week of news, and here are some of the key conversations that you might have missed. despite donald trump's win in new hampshire's republican primary on tuesday, and it's simple suggests major problems i had for donald trump if he goes on to the general election. according to analysis by fox news, 39% of gop voters in the granite state says that they will not vote for trump if he was the nominee in november. assembler question was asked of nikki haley for the voters in new hampshire. 94% on cnn. they would be dissatisfied if trump wins a nomination. among that same group, 83% said they would consider trump unfit for office if he is convicted of a crime by election day. it's crazy, i, mean he is talking about terminating

abortion, terminating roe v. wade. the poll there showed that that issue also weighed heavily on the lines of new hampshire voters and so there you have 66%. george conway, so, you know. even before the democratic party gets it out, the truth out of how donald trump wants direct the economy, and keep the borders open, you have these exit polls out of new hampshire that show 35% of republicans there refused to vote for donald trump. in iowa, only 14% of republicans in iowa, so probably about a third of the, about 14% of 33% went out to vote in iowa because people were so uninspired by donald trump. talk about what we all know what, was splashed all over the drugs yesterday. that donald trump just has a

massive general election problem, and he always will! >> he absolutely does, and it's getting worse and where it's because the trumpian base is being stripped to its core and he is shutting people who actually want to do something that is right for the country. and it's becoming more and my parents of people that trump is a destructive force and it is not just as you describe so well, that trump, being this nihilistic force for legislators. this is that core base on the bottom that trump has captured, and that really dovetails with trump's attitude that we have to worry about. there was this article, just the other day in politico, where michael cruz interviewed a gop voter in new hampshire who decided that he was going to support trump and. basically, this man didn't have any real it, didn't have any clear policy views but what he wanted to do was to attack the elites that he feels resentful

of and who he thinks look down upon him. and the way to do that is to essentially put donald trump in as a wrecking ball, to destroy the country. and the voter was essentially asked, won't that hurt you? and the border acknowledged, yeah, sure it would. but it is worth it to them, and those people are, you know, the core of the republican base right now that support trump. but other people do not want to be part of that anymore, they are sick of, it's they are starting to see, they are starting to understand how bad it is and those people are going to vote for anybody other than donald trump in the fall. >> jim messina, you have been consistently bullish about joe biden's chances of the general election once we got to a general election, a side by side. that country really dialed in and focus and watched donald trump. we're starting to kind of see that. so as you look as a guy who has won successful presidential campaigns, just the numbers, the data that has come out of both iowa and new hampshire, which is to say that donald

trump support is deep, but not very wide. that independents just do not want to go down this road again, this george conway saying here that they are looking and nikki haley. they want some kind of alternatives, they said that they are open even to voting for joe biden. one thing that they know is that they are not going to vote for donald trump in the general election. so what do you take away from the other side of the democratic side over these two primary contests, the caucus in the primary? >> yes, you, me, joe, and make i have been talking about the bed-wetters, and now you're saying the republican panic. if i was the campaign manager for donald trump today, i would be throwing up on my desk. one thing, and one reason why i say that is you cannot have a third of your voters say that they will not vote for your guy in the general election if he is convicted of a crime. because just guess what? he is going to be in one of these four cases, especially the georgia, one so that's going to happen, the other thing is he lost moderate

voters by 53 points the other night, ten michaela. i mean, you just cannot do it. he lost college educated voters by 15 points, so if you extrapolate that to the general election, to the six or seven states that are really going to decide this election. there are just warning signs all over the place about what we have been saying for months, is that donald trump is a bad general election candidate, that republicans have lost with him in 18, they've lost to him in 20, they've lost him in 22, and they are in serious trouble again in 2024, and yet really they continue to double down and do whatever this wrecking ball of the political machine tells them to do. >> and as much as the biden campaign is shifting in the general election mueller, they certainly do not mind may kayleigh being there, and that she is pledging that she will stay in south carolina tuesday, and later on. taking it to the later end of the show, she went harder on trump last night and she has than any other part of the, campaign and we see from the biden campaign that message of democracy, we see the message of abortion rights, we see him

going later today heading to wisconsin to talk about the infrastructure bill and the economic improvements, and he is basically going to live in those three states, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, he got it for pennsylvania this, week some warnings from michigan to ensure that wisconsin is always pay, but in terms of georgia and arizona this time seem hard. oh this year it's about independent swing voters and how trump is to -- especially in the great state. >> and i just want to say, you are so right, if everything goes as it has gone for decades, if joe biden whence, wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania, it is over. i will say though, if donald trump keeps moving in this direction, you are going to see not only michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania fall, and georgia and arizona, and nevada

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the way, is winning the support of blue-collar workers. it appears white collar financial leaders are warming up to the former president. they like their tax cuts. this in your latest piece,ab titled wall street's bargain

with donald tmp quote, after donald trump elected pooch on the 26, u.s. leaders lined t condemn the storming of capitol ll. jamie dimon, chief executive, davy morgan, called for a peaceful transition of power. this is not who we are as a people, or a country he said. >> he was right! >> last week, he said, diamond had changed his tune. trump did a lot of good things when he was in office, dimon says. business was rey for either joe biden or trump. my company will survive and thrive in both. many business leaders argue that trump spark is worse than his by. people warned about trump's threat to democracyn 2017, but the republican party is still alive and kicking. i have heard variations live from any outside and inside businesses. it's suffers from a fatal flaw, america's system remains intact because trump was blocked from overturning, including the

election! >> and when i hear people say, come on now, you guys wind about how bad it was it. wasn't that bad. we survived for years! some did not. we survived for years as a republic because donald trump's attempt to overthrow a presidential election was stopped. if he had gotten away with it, american democracy as we knew it would be over! >> the amnesia is quite remarkable, because it is the same people who are saying this, gee, when i joked that it was not that bad, the republicans resilient. where the ones issuing statements on january the 6th saying that this was a threat to the republican could not go on. so what has changed? well in davos last week, the consensus among business people, a u.s. people who was there, including jaime dimon, is i think quite wrongly a, that trump is going to when.

that he has a good chance of winning, so they are already sort of banking that and the, therefore we have to get with the program. we have to get to accommodate with trump 2.0. and start to flatter him because he responds to flattering. donating to his campaign, telling people look, his bark is worse than his bite. do not worry. it is all gonna be fine. it's just for ratings, the pain of the election. what is the real reason here? well it is kind of the mirror image of what you are discussing. the fame, and the uaw's endorsement of biden. it is capital that wants more tax cuts. and if the price for more tax cuts is 10% tariffs on everything, the end of u.s. democracy, autocracy in america couldn't happen here. if the price, if that is the price for getting a bottom line for jpmorgan, and jamie dimon's

friends, they're prepared to have and nausea. >> well, i've known jamie dimon, for a long time, i've liked him. i was shocked, i was shocked when i heard this. edward sorkin who conducted with him said it was kind of a -- then what headlines had seen. if that is the case i would like to see more of the interview and like to hear more about this. because we can take pictures of jamie dimon. because this is the guy, donald trump, who has promised to terminate the constitution, he said he was going to ban tv networks that he did not like. said he was going to execute generals that were insufficiently loyal to him for quote, treason, which by the way sounds like they're french resolution with a guillotine. they accused everyone of treason and cut their heads off. and then, he talked about a

couple weeks ago how he could kill his political opponents with s.e.a.l. team six, and be of moon from its. he should be immune from all things. talks about viktor orban, you understand that a lot of people, maybe on wall street understand what that means. viktor orban has shut down the free press. viktor orban has crushed all political parts. viktor orban is an autocrat who hates western democracy and freedom. and free markets the way that wall street claims to like free markets. you can't make a deal with the devil. you lose every time. >> people around orban, including the local gaffe man in his village, the guy who does gas connections. have grown rich beyond their wildest fantasies, the billionaires. those who are in with him get rewarded, and that is how strong men operate. they do not operate according

to free market capitalist brutus there. >> on the other side of that, people that owned media empires, like people that control newspapers, and control tv stations, that were opposed to him. they got charged with crimes that literally, the value of the company went to zero. and orban said i will buy it from, if you can leave the country or go to jail. so yeah, the local gas man got rich. people running the free press got thrown into jail. politicians get run out of country, i mean, this is what america faces under a second donald trump administration who brags that orban is a strong man that he loves, that he is going to be like. >> cpac, i mean the conservative movement openly edgy late orban as the model for trump. this isn't just paying a compliment to an ideological fellow traveler across the

arctic, it is a much, much more conscious desire to imitate orban. or that is what trump wants to be, punishing business critics, rewarding business friends, a crony system, a patronage based system, in which if you are a friend of trump, it could become a monopolistic. and so i think business leaders, i do not think that jamie dimon is a trumpian. he is actually a registered democrat i believe. but i think his ultimate loyalty is to jpmorgan's bottom line. and he knows that if jp morgan gets out of line under a second trump administration, which would be far more serious than the first one, that it will get punished. trump will, trump will have no compunction about using the paths of the presidency to award and punish with favors and fines. >> isn't it amazing mika, that

a priority has grown up, and the party that i was in, always has talked about personal freedom, personal liberties, talked about small government, take as much malware money power out of washington as possible. get it into local governments, get it into classrooms, get it into local police districts? here you have a republican party, cpac, what a joke! let's not even get started with cpac, and the heritage foundation, what a joke. >> the rnc? >> the rnc. these institutions that used to praise personal liberty! personal freedoms! small government! are all now, as ed said, they rehab readjusted and now they are in support of autocracy. they are in support of a strong man leader. they are in support, the same people who will [bleep] and moan about how the western can, and western values are being

destroyed, and western civilization is at risk? those people, now worship, as does donald trump, leader of a failed country, who has said that he hates western democracy. says western democracy is dead. he says i am a liberal democrat. and that is where he they have gone. >> yes, and if they get what they want, you will not like it. national advisory for the time, ed luce, thank you so much for your peace and for coming up this morning. we appreciate it! coming up, democratic governor tim walz of -- on what trump's campaign must due to weather say another key battlegrounds in november! ember! when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were

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♪ ♪ ♪ welcome back to morning joe: weekend. let's jump right back into another tough conversation about the week. >> let's bring in democratic governor, tim walz of minnesota, he is out campaigning for the biden harris campaign. thanks for being with us. when we look at the stakes that are gonna make a difference in the race, and the electoral college, we look at minnesota, we look at wisconsin, we look at michigan, we look at pennsylvania. we just saw the pence's president did well in wisconsin. what is the story in your home state? >> well, thanks for having made. joe biden will win here in minnesota, he has delivered on the issue they care about. he will be out here tomorrow with the governor from wisconsin. the federal government putting 1 million dollars into the bridge connecting the ports of severe and duluth. those are the things that people care about. creating jobs. you're exactly right, i heard you speaking earlier on this. trump may run up the score in

south dakota, but he's losing in minnesota. he's gonna lose wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania,. he won't hold because he's not doing the things that are necessary. and the alternative is chaos and retribution, as you saw. and we're excited to get the president reelected. >> i love talking to governors because they understand what is going on on the ground in their states, governors like you. what is the issue that you hear about the most. what are voters most concerned about? is it inflation? is it personal home savings? is it infrastructure. what is the issue that you are hearing right now on the ground? >> yeah, it is a combination of those things. people care and they're seeing prices. i was up in duluth yesterday. saw gaspar 2:49 here, starting to see those things moderate. wages are up, we have low unemployment. but look, with trump people up there, and with republicans

rooting for failure, they will never say that something is working. when we talk about job growth, oh it is bad. or something like that. i think that this general sense of they do not want the chaos, and they want a positive vision for the future. and i think that is now, as we pivot and we start to see the general election shape up to be the binary choice that we have all been talking about. you want chaos, negativity, doom and gloom, you know american apocalypse or do you truly want to see what joe biden said? this is the united states of america, there is nothing that we can't do. i think this idea of building the economy out, creating jobs, coming and announcing a bridge project. the largest one that we had seen in the north land in history. those are exciting things, and i think those are what people are talking about is, they want to feel more secure in their finances, they want to feel more secure in terms of how their politics is working. so i think that that bodes well for the president. >> i agree on those fronts, obviously republicans are going to be talking about quality of

life issues. they're gonna talk about crime. they're gonna talk about homelessness, they're gonna talk about the southern border. let's talk about crime and homelessness. and i do think in places like new york, where crime is going down, there is, there is a sense that there is not as much security on the streets, in part, because you have people with mental illness that are out on the streets, and places like houston controlling it, very well, and the new york times wrote a great article about some of the solutions. it requires investment. i'm curious in your state, in minneapolis, in st. paul, in some of the cities, how are you guys doing with crime? how are you doing with the homelessness problem? how is that impacting the cities and the quality of life there? >> you are right joe, and this

is where i think democrats, we do talk about this. we need to. people deserve to be safe and that person, and we also know that folks fall on tough times, you know, by the grace of god. each of us should try to find shelter. when you're in the northern, state it is a life and death situation. we're talking about it, crime is going down. we saw the spike both here in the united states, here in minnesota, and across the country, or across the globe during the pandemic. those numbers are coming down. but we in minnesota have a very low tolerance for crime. so it is not good enough to say that they're coming down, it's getting much safer. we want it to get to as low as it can possibly get. the irony of this is we see it time and time again. adding immigration to this. that is an issue that needs to be addressed. the issue here is that republicans will do nothing to fix. that we have house republicans, we had a proposal from the president, they won't fix it. so here in minnesota, i put a 300 million dollar proposal of fungible dollars for public safety in our budget, and we see republicans vote against that. so it is the idea.

i don't think that they really want to fix it, i think we do something about crime, it moves on to something else. and this homelessness issue is a big deal. we put over a billion dollars in the state to about 20, 6:27 billion dollar budget. this has to be addressed, more for affordability. and the interesting thing, both crime and homelessness, joe, it hits a rural area just as hard. and in many cases it is even more difficult of a challenge because you do not have the resources to deal with it. so i think of trying to divide, this trying to say that our cities, you cannot live in them. we have to address mental health. we have to address the gun violence, where the republicans will not acknowledge a couple hundred. a 24 year veteran of the military. i own the firearms. but it is absolutely outrageous that we continue to see the shootings. so, i agree that these are things that are on peoples minds. they are improving, but we need republicans to come back and help us on some of this. >> whether we are talking about in minnesota, whether we are talking about in congress.

the solutions are offered. whether it is trying to do it on homelessness, crime, public safety, or what the president is trying to do on the southern border, they would rather have an issue than a solution. it's a sad state of affairs. minnesota's democratic governor, tim walsh, thank you for being here. i hope you come back soon! >> anytime joe, thank you. up next, a new book details how ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy, was able to rally his country against the massive russian invasion! we will speak with that author, ahead! or ahead! j.p. morgan wealth management knows it's easy to get lost in investment research. get help with j.p morgan personal advisors. hey, david! ready to get started? work with advisors who create a plan with you, and help you find the right investments. so great getting to know you, let's take a look at your new investment plan. ok, great!

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policy stories out of the summit was then addressed by ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy. warning that russia vladimir putin had aspirations beyond ukraine. nearly two years after he launched a full scale invasion of the country. joining us now, senior correspondent for the times, simon shuster. his new book? is entitled the showman, inside the invasion that shook the world and made leader of volodymyr zelenskyy. and jonathan lemire has the first question, he's there with him. >> simon, good to see you. congrats on the book. let's start with this extraordinary access you have

to presidents a lynskey. walk us through how often you saw him, where you saw him, how readers will see him differently? >> when i met and got to know president zelenskyy for the first time before he became president, when he was in the middle of his campaign. i met him backstage at one of his company shows, actually, which doubles as a campaign rally. and met him, talk to him, propelled him for the first time in time magazine. then, this followed his administration throughout. throughout the first impeachment of president donald trump. where president zelenskyy played a major role. i think a lot of the viewers will remember, as the war grew closer, i traveled with the president to the frontlines to see the russian forces gather on the border. when the invasion actually began in february 2022, i was in a pretty unique position because of the relationships i found over the years, to approach him and say, let me be a fly on the role. let me write this book about the historic events happening around you. >> you, right this for the

americans as a law. for someone who is involved in the impeachment, this remarkable conversation where he's becoming a church-like figure of his resistance, as the ukraine propels the much larger russian army. so tell, as did you see, talk to us about how you saw that evolution occur? >> i mean his transformation was dramatic. from the naive, happy good lucky character i met in 2019, when he was running for office on an optimistic platform. fighting corruption, ending the war that was raging for five years in eastern ukraine, the separatist conflict. that was his goal. the purpose person that we know now, we see on tv, he is tough as nails. so that transformation is described in the book as an evolution. you mentioned churchill, i asked him about the comparisons to churchill, and what a telling moment in the book is, he said yes. i do not really like the comparisons to churchill so

much. churchill was a noted imperialist, and support of the british empire. and zelenskyy sees this war fundamentally as an anti imperialist war. award to break the last bonds of the empire that moscow has over ukraine. so he prefers to be compared to, as he mentioned actually, characters like charlie chaplin. who made fun of hitler in the holocaust. as president zelenskyy put to the interviews, there were these artists in history who use their skills as an artist, the skills of communication and language to fight against evil, to fight against fascism. and he said that those, their work was often more powerful than artillery. that's how he sees himself. a pantheon that he wants to join, the way that he understands his role. >> that is fascinating. i would say a churchillian comparison is very good. he saved western civilization, and the world in 19 40 to 41. but we will have that debates with president zelenskyy when

we talk after the war. i want to talk about before the war, because i think this is a fascinating point of your book. he actually, you ask him to reflect on the lead up to the wire. what mistakes that you make? this is something that we all do in our own lives, and something this grant, what i am struck by is his willingness, his openness to go back and say, maybe i should've done this differently. maybe i should've done that differently. talk about what you have learned in your reporting about how we could have changed things before the war? >> one thing i think you learned the hard way was not to rely too much on some of these western allies that were supposed to be so close to him. that came through in the early months of the administration, when he got caught up with then president donald trump in this impeachment scandal? to reminder the hours, some leaders at the time tried to

extort favors from president zelenskyy. i saw that scandal playing out from the halls of the presidential compound and kyiv, spending time with zelenskyy and his team at the time, and one thing he told me was, man, you cannot trust anybody at all in this world. none of the allies are that reliable. everybody just has their interests. so that is i think a hard lesson that he took, and he took it with him into the way that he has waged this war as well. >> what about americas repeated warning that russia was going to invade, and his refusal to believe that? >> i'm sorry, say the question again? >> i said what about america's repeated warning that russia was going to invade ukraine and zelenskyy had his reluctance to believe that? >> yeah, that is a big part of the lead up to the war that i chronicle in the book. he did not believe it. he was getting a variety of intelligence from different sources. the u.s. intelligence agencies

we are right, and they were predicting this extreme scenario of massive invasions from three directions, meant to kill zelenskyy, or remove him from power. he was getting different perspectives from german intelligence, and indeed ukrainian intelligence agencies that had different interpretation. so he chose to believe a less extreme scenario was coming. something, a more limited escalation from the east, and he turned out to be wrong. u.s. intelligence agencies turned out to be right. i think that something is gonna have to answer for later in the war. those questions are bumping up in the ukrainian society. but so far they have left it until after the war to have kind of have a reckoning on those questions. >> the new book entitled, the showman, inside the invasion that shook the world and made a leader of vladimir insolency is on sale tomoow seniorcorrpondent, simon shuster, tha you so much for coming on this morning. we have lots to get to this hour! morning joe: weekend continues after a short break! ter a short break!

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women actually got a exclusive look at this report. give us the breakdown. of women candidates that are using campaign funds for childcare at the federal, state, and local levels? >> that is right make, evan spencer talk to the folks that vote mama for us, and they found that campaigning for childcare has really surge since 2018, thanks in large part for efe cc ruling that allowed for the process. at the federal level we are seeing an increase of these funds at several times the use that we saw in 2018. parents across both sides of the aisle spent a total of 720, roughly i'm rounding up, thousand dollars worth of this funding to run for the house, the senate, and the presidency. and that is 68 candidates again across the aisle, mothers and fathers. but 68, sorry, 56% of this figure was used by female candidates running for office. so we are seeing mothers using this funding to run for office. then at the state and local

level, again we are seeing usage of campaign funding for childcare really growing. vote-a-rama found that 87 candidates across the aisle spent $250,000 of this funding. and in 2022 alone, that is up from 10,000 and $1, in 2018, so again overly big surge. over the course of the four years. parents of all genders spending about $300,000 to cover the cost of childcare incurred while running for office. the its state legislatures at the judicial level, and here, against 66% of the funding has been used by women. >> all right, so the report also had some compelling stats on the use of campaign funds on childcare for women candidates of color. what were the findings and why does it matter? >> we'll make, we talk about the importance of representative government so

much. i love the founder of vote-for-mama, and i remember talking tire in 2018 when she was running for congress against peter cain. she had a one-year, -old in a 43 year old, and i remember her strapping her one year old on to herself as she campaigned. and she did not win that race, but she decided that she was going to go forward and figure out a solution to this problem for women. we know we can use campaign funds to run science, to buy campaign tickets, to buy office furniture. why not to take care of our children what we go out and work? and for those who go out, you know how unpredictable that schedule is. so it is hard for women, and no shock, it is harder for women of color. and so she pushes this through, this fcc rolling rules in her favor. and in fact i heard them saying that before she did it in 2018, before her two male candidates had thought to do it before, and so now it is available to all women. and six 2018, 60% of the state candidates who have run our women, and of that number, 32%

are men of color so it is half. at the federal level it is 66% of all women, and of that it is of the 56% it is 50% women of color. so we have a lot more work to do, but it is an incredible organization. it is incredible that it is in available to candidates. and i look to see more candidates, particularly women of color, using it. >> absolutely, maggie, we cover women on the campaign trail all the time, and there are events in the evening, morning, weekends, child care could make or break a decision to run. but we need moms. and political office. don't wait? >> yes, we absolutely do. and right now, less than 7% of the current congress is a mother of a child under the age of 18. when you add in father's, parent representation in the house tops out at 24%. i would note that in this country, 40% of all households have a child under the age of 18. so you could argue that

congress is not as representative as it could be. and we know from longitudinal data that has looked at proposed legislation, that working congressional mothers are more likely to propose policies and laws that address the concerns of parents and children, then their non-parent counterparts. >> all right, before we go huma, let's talk about the upcoming summit. we're breaking some news here, another announcement. this summit is less than six weeks away. of course it brings together generations of women from all over the world, in and around international women's day for him mentoring summit. we have already announced some amazing speakers. including actress, meg ryan, personal finance expert, susie orman, former president of liberian, certainly, and today we have a very special speaker reveal! huma take it away! >> make, i know you are in particular very excited about that announcement today. and we are thrilled that shania twain is gonna be joining us at the summit this year.

she is a celebrated songwriter a, five-time grammy award winner, and one of the music industry's most renowned trail blazers. and in fact, and i did not know this, until today she remains the highest, the highest, the top selling female pop artist of all-time. so for her to come, share his story is going to be incredible for all of our attendees. but more than that she also announced her third residency in vegas. she completed her last residency in september of 2022. it was sold out. she has had a hard, interesting, and fascinating personal journey. and we're gonna hear all about it in march. because she's really transcendent. it is some real barriers. to just be this local superstars, and we can just not wait to see her in person in a few weeks. >> she is still the? wind maggie mcgrath, and huma abedin, thank you very much!

after nearly a decade. john stewart is really taking the reins of the daily on comedy central. the late night legendt to host the show on mondays. and executive produced every episode through next year! the remaining episodes of the week will be hosted by a rotating lineup of the show's team, stewart elevated the show to a mainstay of political comedy, helping the show from 1999 to 2015. he will make his return on february 12th! so willy, what do you think? >> i think it is fascinating. remember, he left the daily show right before this trump-era started. so he did have the show on apple tv, obviously has been active in the causes on capitol hill, but has not that seat at the table on tv. so it is one night a week for the election. so i think a lot of the daily show fans, a lot of john stewart fans are very excited to have their voice back in the conversation in this crucial moment.

and yesterday, i was sitting down with the great john oliver to interview him for sunday today for an episode in a couple of weeks. we were actually at a liverpool bar in new york city. he is a crazy guy. i have to get you to together. my god is he [inaudible] every detail about every player, he is all in. but anyway he. sitting at this bar, and as the interview finished, the news came across that his old friend and colleague at the daily show, john stewart was returning. he did not know anything about it. here is that exchange! >> so we have just got that news that john stewart is gonna return to the daily shows to do monday through the election? >> so that meeting was just handed to us on the phone. i presume it's accurate? [inaudible] yes, apparently so. that is a surprise. that's a show that needs a host. certainly, it's a very very good one. so i'm very excited to see what he does. i do think after 2025, they should [inaudible] >> it feels that way doesn't it?

>> yes, i would want the highest. it's rough but very good. it's gonna be very exciting to see john from the beginning of election year as well? that is watchable. >> back in for another bite at the apple? >> that is right! yeah. jordan is back! [laughter] >> jordan is back! says john oliver, again with totally surprised him with that news. he's host of the daily show, he knows what to sit in that chair as well. >> very cool! >> very exciting! and i love, i love the liverpool understanding that, that would be watchable. >> that would be watchable! >> in the end, once it hits him, that john stewart is gonna be back in an election year and a trump election here? the democracy on the line suddenly goes, okay, jordan is returning! >> yes, yes, it's settled in. >> we are excited! >> he is worried about the

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hour of morning joe on this sunday morning. >> time just flies here. >> are you having fun? okay, let's dive right into more of the week's top conversation. >> seldom g of parties as stupid as this current republican party led by donald trump. you now have donald trump -- we see what the editor emeritus of the wall street journal editorial pages said. the u.s. economy was the winner of 2023. it has stormed into 2024, doing better than any economy in the world. major economy in the world's, and just crushing china right now. and yet you have republicans wanting to do two things. one, donald trump has said he wants the economy to crash, he wants a depression to come, he wants joe biden to be herbert hoover. he wants people's livelihoods

and their retirements destroyed. he said it, so he can be elected president of the united states. and then you have house republicans and donald trump now, and some senate republicans, just say no to the toughest border bill in history, stabbing the ukrainians in the back, stabbing israel in the back, and not funding these fights for freedom in -- where you are actually trying to push back a russian aggressor. >> it's interesting. the one thing donald trump always had going for him, and it never made sense because we've spent so much time talking about what a robe and a disgusting human being he is, is he was able to say to voters, i care about you. i am here for you. when you stop to say things like i'm rooting for a depression, or i'm not going to

vote for this border bell, because it's not good for me, you can no longer say i care about you, the voter. and this is going to come back to haunt him. immigration was the one thing that i was so worried about -- still worried about, obviously. both as a person, and a political analyst. that has been taken away from him. you can continually say donald trump killed the bill, even though he doesn't have his hands directly on, it he is behind it. donald trump is rooting for depression. donald trump wants to take health care away. donald trump wants to end democracy. donald trump is not interested in protecting democracies around the world. donald trump is not interested in protecting your right to choose. those are a lot of chips lined up against him. >> yeah, molly, you're looking at a guy right there who says one, i want the economy to go into a depression, because i want to win. to, i want to keep the borders open over the next year, with fentanyl and illegal immigrants flooding across, because i want to win.

a man whoays one i get elected, i am going to take your health care away, and a man who is already bragging about the fact that he quote, terminated roe v. wade, and now he's saying i really like orban. a guy who discarded western democracy for a liberalism. he said, americans need an authoritarian. they need a strongman. how clear of a choice can this be? >> i think it's a fundamental problem with trumpism. trumpism is about nihilism. it's the burn it down caucus. they don't want to legislate, because legislation is solving problems. they don't want the government to work. when you see the freedom caucus, that's what their situation is. they always want to stop legislation, because they are afraid of the government working, because the whole thesis here is to make the

government as small as possible. so i do think it's going to be a problem for trump. and a lot of the economic populism that he ran on in 2016, you know, that i'm going to do for you, i'm going to bring back coal, it may not have been true, but people thought it was true. or people could grab onto it. trump is not doing that this time. this is really defendant trump versus candidate trump. and defended trump has a totally different set of needs that -- many of which run contrary to candidate trump. >> so this one's for joyce. a fedel dge appointed by president ronald reagan is calling out publican rhetoric surrounding e january 6th insurrection. while re-sentencing a january 6th rioter yesterday, jue lamberth d conservative lawmakers for their preposterous claim, for trying to re history. quote, e urt is accustomed accept that they did anything

wrong. but in my that are t-72s on the bench, i cannot recall a time when such meritless justificion cminal activity have gone mainstream. >> meritless justifications criminal activity. >> the wrer interfering wi necessary step constitutional proce, disrupted byheawful transfer of d us jeopardized the american constitution oer. was not patriotism. it was the antithesis of patria. and though he did not mention donald trump by name, -- called by >> who have described january 6th defendants as hostages. joyce, does this give us any indication, precedent, any impact on donald trump's cases on these issues? >> so this was a real shocker, coming from judge lamberth,

mika. quite frankly, you don't see federal judges weigh in with this sort of language. i think, you know, we say unprecedented all the time. this really is. the implication for donald trump, i think, is hard to say. is there a sense in the judiciary that enough is enough? perhaps we reach that point where the judges have begun to realize that the traditional slow rolling criminal justice process needs to be amped up, if we are going to protect the constitution the way it needs to be protected in 2024. >> peter navarro was sentenced yesterday to four months in prison for contempt of congress. in september, navarro was convicted on two counts of refusing to testify and supply documents to the january 6th committee, after invoking executive privilege, despite the fact that the committee -- information relating to his work on the trump campaign, not in the white house. at the sentencing yesterday, federal judge amit mena

admonished navarro for his lack of remorse. so, joyce, does he have right to jail? or doesn't appeal keep him out? and how does this impact other members of trump's team, and trump himself in terms of this outcome? >> so the judge didn't rule immediately on whether or not navarro will get an appellate bond. you're only supposed to stay out during an appeal after you've been sentenced. if your appeal raises significant non frivolous issues. this one i think, frankly, is a foregone conclusion. he is not entitled to immunity, for no reason than joe biden used to extend executive branch immunity here. but steve bannon has permitted to stay out on bond while his case is on appeal, i think it's likely that navarro gets the same treatment. >> i'm curious about your thoughts, clear macosko is both a senator and prosecutor of this sentencing.

>> well, you know, as a person, i wish it was four years instead of four months. but it is always heartening to see the system work, and to see someone who is wearing a suit and tie to work forever and has been in the halls of power be accountable for refusing -- i wish more people had been charged with contempt of congress. i understand why they weren't, but congress has to work on oversight. and as a side, you guys were talking about what mcconnell said yesterday and people started reporting that he was -- to trump. let me give you another view of that. geno and i think mcconnell was doing yesterday? he was making trump own at the fact that he was trying to stop the voter control bill. he did vote, so everybody would understand that it is donald trump calling these senators, that ridiculous ron johnson and the other trump lackeys in the republican caucus and the senate and the entire house,

that is being called by trump and told by trump, don't fix the border. don't fix the border. that's i think what mcconnell was doing. and of course, you immediately saw tom tillis and you saw romney and you see others stepping up and going, yes, that's exactly what's happening. donald trump is keeping the border open. so, kudos to mcconnell for having american strategically, because he's the one that's now one this thing wide open. >> thanks so much for being on this morning. >> morning joe: weekend continues after a short break. continues after a short break.

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>> let's bring in right now the executive director of libertarian policy institute, nicholas stalwart. nick, you're also of course the new hampshire guy. give us a wrap up from your point of view about what happened in new hampshire a couple of days ago.

>> yeah, new hampshire, just his last tuesday, nikki haley did come in a strong second after consolidating all of the christie voters, all of the independent voters, and it's really the numbers out of new hampshire that tell you what kind of path she does or doesn't have. she got about 58% of the independent voters who chose to participate in the republican primary here. clearly beating donald trump along the independent line. the problem is, she got 25% of the republican registered voters who participated in the primary, and every primary from here on out is more republican and less independent. and the fact is donald trump has built the party around himself. he's put ron mcdaniel in play, where she's trying to solidify the nomination before they're even our elections, and there's really -- it's a challenge to convince people who are identified with

and aligned with a strongman figure, that they should abandon him. because they don't see it as winning elections, they see him as an avatar of them. >> right, so let me ask you this. i'm glad you brought that up. as a guy that has dedicated a lot of your adult life to building the libertarian party and fighting for smaller governments, more responsive government, where do libertarians go when you look at both parties and you see the republican party, supposed to be the party of small government, instead of supporting a president who talks about more freedom, smaller and more responsive government, you've got a guy who's talking about being a strong man lake orban. i need more power, donald trump says. i need the fcc power in the white house. i need to destroy so i have more power myself.

that's number one. and then number two, you've got a guy who wants to get reelected who promises to balance the budget, who ended up being the biggest spender in the history of this republic. >> you know, i think this is a huge opportunity for the libertarian nominee, if they take a path of talking about donald trump and how he is a big government guy. how he is an authoritarian who wants to control your life, maybe in different ways from joe biden, but equally scary to people who are either constitutional conservatives, small government business people, independents, women, the libertarian party for 50 years has been pro-choice on everything. and now you've got the guy running who single-handedly puts in place the overturning of roe v. wade. i think there's got to be somebody willing to call him out in the general election, and it looks like haley's path of may and because the money is

going to run out. read hoffman pulled his financial support after her 12 point loss to trump in new hampshire. a lot of smart investors are saying there's not a path for her, because she's too close to him. she's an echo, she's not a choice. >> interesting. executive director of the libertarian policy institute, nick, thank you very much. thanks for being on the show this morning, we appreciate it. morning joe: weekend continues after a short break. after a short break. after a short break. each helping to protect their money with chase. woah, a lost card isn't keeping this thrill seeker down. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey! oh yeah, the explorer! she's looking to dive deeper... all while chase looks out for her. because these friends have chase. alerts that help check. tools that help protect. one bank that puts you in control. chase. make more of what's yours. every day, more dog people are deciding

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the leading editorial of the wall street journal. it's gop border reckoning, and this is what the editors right. then there's ukraine. the u.s. friends in europe now running out of ammunition to fight vladimir putin. the political alternatives are worse to what mr. trump is going to do. yet they fear -- a few voices these days are willing to stand up insist and say so because they fear trump will trash them for it. -- cover for a hard ukraine vote, and a political and policy victory to tout at home. the -- do you want republicans to sponsor the 2024 equivalent of saigon 1975? what a line. do republicans want to sponsor the 2024 equivalent of saigon 1975? mr. trump may think a ukraine defeat will help him, but don't be so sure.

as president, you would inherent an emboldened mr. putin with nato allies in panic and adversaries around the world, and think the u.s. is really in retreat. david ignatius, your thoughts? >> joe, first, i do hear european leaders and ambassadors here in washington saying that their governments are beginning to hedge against the possibility that donald trump could be reelected president. it's a very difficult and painful problem for them to think about. one thing i think people are beginning to focus on is how do you sustain ukraine, against the russian invasion, if the united states begins to pull back from the coalition of support? it's crucial for europe that vladimir putin not win this battle. europe's future over the next several decades will be different, entirely different, if putin rules on to victory, and i think it would put

another invasion toward kyiv to try to take the whole country. so that's the first thing. i hear people talking more and more about how ukraine can defend what it has. the idea that ukraine is going to be able to expel the russians entirely from its borders looks much more difficult now than it did. but it can hold the territory that it has more decisively, to build the kind of defenses that russia built in the south. it can develop its own domestic arms industry. so it has enough ammunition to keep firing at them, developing any aircraft weapons to keep russian drones and missiles from destroying its cities. so i think there's that kind of hedging and protection discussion that's beginning. if this effort to provide continuing u.s. aid to ukraine fails, joe, i think of the people who fought to build up american credibility in the world, i think of my dad's generation that fought in world

war ii, the sacrifices they made. i think of the decorates -- to builds the reliability of america's name and commitment to its allies. that was hard work, year by year, and it's just shocking to me, it's shameful, that people are on the verge of throwing that away by walking away from a country that has defended itself create justly, that has never asked for a single american soldier to do its fighting, has just asked for help, and you think of all that would be lost in terms of america's reputation if we don't stand by this ally, it's just shocking. it's something that will last in terms of our national reputation for much longer than people think. >> really, when you talk about freedom in europe, you go over all the years since the war, and yet we can talk about what the presidents have done. but as david said, so many

people have fought for this. given their entire lives to a europe that is free of russian tyranny. and you go back to dean acheson, go back to general marshall. you can move forward to cold warriors like your father. colin powell, maroon albright, secretary gaetz. again, people who have lived their entire lives for a free europe. a free west, an expanded nato that can protect countries like ukraine from russian aggression. and house republicans agree with what i am saying. house democrats agree with what i am saying. the white house agrees with what i am saying. but donald trump and mike johnson, mike johnson, he was

voted pro-putin on every single ukraine bell, voted to kill funding to defend against a russian invasion, is now killing the spell. the wall street journal editorial page has it right. you are looking right there, right there. not chairman mccaul, because he's -- healthy ukraine. but you're looking right there at a speaker who is going to be responsible for a saigon like collapse of ukraine. if other party members don't save him from himself. >> to david's point, this is the big accomplishment of the decade. for our partners and allies in europe, for peace in europe. and it's to stop now, and we knew it would get hard. everybody talked about it, especially in the beginning months of this war, that it was not going to be easy, quick, it was going to take a long time. >> you would've guessed it would've come from the party of reagan. and it david, we also have, in

the middle east, we have bill burns, the presidents closer, going, in trying to make a bill between israel and hamas. or actually, qatar, when it comes to most. just what's going on there? >> joe, i'm glad you used the term president biden's closer to describe the bill burns -- the man who titled his own memoir the back channel, because he's the minister of the back channel. he has been dispatched by president biden to negotiate with egypt and qatar, which are the two emissaries on behalf of hamas, and with israel, to try to see if there can be a new deal to free, in stages, the hundred 36 remaining hostages held by hamas in gaza. that's a lot of people. they got the details of how this would work pretty much presets. their initial release of ten

women and children who were supposed to go out in the last deal, that fell apart at the beginning of december. then another 40 elderly, sick, ailing people who will be released for humanitarian reasons, along with women who are some of the women, soldiers. and then a final group that is large, maybe 80 plus people, that would include men and also the bodies of those who have died, either on october 7th or since in captivity. it's possible to know how large that number is. this would be accompanied by a cease-fire of at least a month, maybe longer, in which there could be a real effort to alleviate the terrible suffering. i just want to underline that. i quoted somebody this week, calling it unspeakable suffering. of the palestinian civilians

and gaza, you are facing now the verge of famine, there isn't enough food, who are facing pandemic disease as it spreads through these terribly crowded, dirty camps. there would be an opportunity, during the cease-fire, to finally get real humanitarian relief in four people. and there would be an opportunity to address the issue that anguish is israelis, i think, in their hearts more than any other. which is the fate of these hostages, the people who were stolen away from them on october 7th. so this is an opportunity for de-escalation, the u.s. has been working very hard. say what you'd like about joe biden's team, but on this issue, trying to work to de-escalate this war, i think they've done an extraordinarily good job, and i hope bill burns in the next day or two can succeed, because that would mark, i think, an inflection point in this war effort, three months of, let's be honest, nightmare.

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the american health care system. in legacy, a black physician reckons with racism in medicine, dr. richie blackstock signs a light on the historical and ongoing racism in the medical field, and it's harmful impact on black communities. dr. blackstock also shared several of her own deeply personal experiences, including a nearly fatal case of appendicitis that was initially misdiagnosed. dr. blackstock joins us now, she's also an emergency medical physician and founder in chief executive of advancing health equity, which aims to engage with health care organizations to dismantle racism in the industry. a familiar face also to earlier viewers. good to see you, congratulations on the book. let's start there. tell us a little bit, if you will, about some of these personal experiences that motivated you to explore this topic and then write this book. >> first, thank you so much for having me. i think what's important to know is that i'm a second generation black woman physician, and to say that is

incredibly rare. less than 3% of all physicians are black women. in a sense, i'm a unicorn, but that's because of systemic barriers that exist. but i share in this book some personal experiences, using my mother before the age of 37 to blood cancer, that is very rare. and really thinking about how the impact of racism could have shortened her life. i also have my own experiences, as you mentioned, with appendicitis, that went misdiagnosed after three e.r. visits, that led to a perforated appendix and further complications as a medical student, leading me to miss a month of medical school. so lot of personal experiences that are used to talk about these larger systemic issues. >> dr. blackstock, one of the things that grips me about the book is not only do you talk about your personal health challenges and the systemic problem of racism in the medical field, but it's in your blood to fight and deal with these things. your mother, i'm from brooklyn.

your from brooklyn. my mother used to do a lot of health work, clinics, in the brooklyn community, when there was hardly any idea of black woman being a physician. now you and your sister karen haven't experienced that. so talk about how this systemic racism was something you grew up with, committed to dealing with, and how your mother helped find out what it means to you? >> thank you for asking about that, reverend al, because my mother led a small group of black women physicians in central brooklyn, that organized a community health fair, checked blood pressure, linked patients with physicians to help manage their diabetes, they were doing this grassroots work when health equity did not even have that term. so they were addressing the consequences of racism in the 80s and 90s, in our communities in a grassroots ray, when we weren't even openly discussing it like we are now.

so i wanted to shed a light on that, because now we are seeing the black maternal mortality crisis. we are seeing that black mothers are 3 to 4 times more likely to die of pregnancy related complications. but even me with my college degree and medical degree from harvard, i'm still five times more likely to die of pregnancy related complications than my white counterparts. so these are the issues that we need to talk about, because there is nothing inherently wrong with black people, but there's something inherently wrong with the systems that we live in, that essentially make us sick and lead to our shortened lives. >> truly terrible statistics. dr. blackstock, candy case the next question. >> doctor, thank you for reading the book. i love the word legacy, because it's part of your family's amazing legacy to have three doctors in one family, that's remarkable, especially when there are so few black female doctors in the country. talk a little bit about how -- you look into the history of the medical system, how there were no opportunities for black

people to learn medicine, because there were no schools that admitted black people. the legacy that impacts the kinds of data that you just spoken about, and the disparities between health care for black and white people still in the country. >> thank you so much for asking that question, because we look at today and say why are there so few black doctors? and that's because of reports and policies like the flex report in 1910, that led to the closure of historically black medical schools. five out of seven medical schools that would have trained between 25 and 35,000 black doctors, and so we think about this recent scotus decision on race conscious admissions and how that could have a similar impact on the diversity of our health care workforce, and ultimately the health of black communities. >> the new book, titled legacy, a black physician reckons with racism in medicine is now on sale. dr. richie blackstock, thank you very much. >> thank you jonathan, thank you reverend al.

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reported new hampshire -- apparent robocall that used artificial intelligence to mimic president biden's voice in an effort to urge voters to skip tuesday's democratic primary. take a listen to audio obtained by nbc news, were fake recordings told voters, quote, their vote makes a difference in november, not this tuesday. >> what a bunch of malarkey. you know the value of voting democratic when our votes count. it's important that you save your vote for the november election. we'll need your help and electing democrats up and down the cket. voting this tuesday only enables the republicans in their quest to elect donald trump again. your vote makes a difference in november, not this tuesday.

>> so that was not the actual voice, of course, of president biden. joining us now, the former director of the department of homeland security, cybersecurity, and infrastructure security agency, chris. he is president of the cybersecurity strategic advisory company, pinnacle one. chris, good morning. so this is the first of i guess what could be many, in this age of artificial intelligence, where it's very easy to mimic someone's voice, we've seen the deep fakes from a video point of view. this was an audio to a lot of people is difficult to distinguish. the question is, you do we suspect is behind this? how do they pull it off, and how easy is it to track them down? >> well, just to start, it's quite easy to generate this sort of content. there's something known as the 22nd rule, where it only takes about 20 seconds of a person's voice print to beto generate content like this.

and it's almost even easier, two, then to get it out into the public using spoofing tools, spoof being apps and websites, and then to track them down, particularly if they're located in foreign countries, law enforcement has a bit of a challenge because of some of the obfuscation and looking techniques. so i think that the attorney generals office is going to have a bit of a challenge, just as there have been right now, with some of the swatting attacks that are going against public officials, and folks in the media all across the country. so this is quite the challenge, i think this is unfortunately just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what we're going to see in this election season. >> so, is this going to be the deepfake election? is that what we are in for? and is there a way to make this stuff watermark, or some way that we can tell what it is a

deepfake? because that was pretty convincing. i mean, not that biden would never say that, if you know anything about politics. you would say this can't be real. but people don't follow politics that closely, and it really sounded like joe biden's voice. >> it sure did, and i think would surprise me the most is that people were answering this -- their phones in this day of and age, which i don't think happens that much. but still, you have voicemails. the brookings institute released a paper earlier this week that talked about the fact that there are two schools of thought right now. one is that, yes, this is the a.i. election, or this is the a.i. period. it's going to be a big deal. the others that maybe we are over rotating a little bit. that maybe it's not going to be that much of an impact. and i'm somewhere in between. i am gravely concerned, but i also think that we do have a bit of a diffusion of the media industry, social media particularly, where these sorts of -- these trends are going to pop

up and they're going to burn out pretty quickly. but more than anything, everyone is going to try. foreign actors, domestic actors, dark money groups, we are going to see a lot of it. the question is, is it going to make an impact? is it going to burn out and get ridiculed pretty quickly? like i think what we've seen. as we get closer to the election and i'm talking day of election day, the night before, that's probably when the biggest risk window opens, that people are paying the most attention, people are really concerned, and say that there are some folks that are going to be highly susceptible to influence campaigns. >> chris, we saw the russian activity in 2016, we know that when it comes to a.i. the chinese seem to be dominating the space. can you talk a little bit more about who the foreign actors are, who are sort of doing things? is it governments, is a private groups, and what's their intent? >> a.i. in general right now is trivial to use, and we tend to

think of the proprietary models like chatgpt and those by openai, microsoft, and others. but there are open source models that are really readily available out there. and once they are out on the internet, there forer. so we have criminal groups that are using a.i. right now for fraud and fishing techniques, and really the way to stop that is better security controls and using a.i. enabled cybersecurity defenses. but we also know that security services and china, in russia, and iran, and elsewhere, are using it and studying a.i. on how they can increase their information operations effectiveness. and if we've seen anything over the last five, six, seven, eight years, is that attacks on elections or not just about the technical attacks that we thought about in 2016, going after voter registration databases. but it's really about information warfare, and going after the hearts and minds of election workers, and the broader public, and that's i

think really going to be the high volume space, and unfortunately, we're entering a time when perhaps we are in a post-truth world, and this is where the bad actors really benefit, and this is what bobby chesnee from texas law school, university of texas law school, has called the liars dividend. where they really do benefit. >> former director of the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency, chris krebs, thank you very much for being on this morning. and the washington post -- thank you as well. as always. up next, broadway stars kelly o'hara and brian dorsey james are here to discuss their new show about a couple undone by addiction. addiction. complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost.

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>> collier and brian dorsey jane starr in the new musical days of one roses, now at a limited 16-week engagement. the show, about a couple struggling with addiction, is based on the 1958 tele-play by jp miller which later became a classic movie, featuring jack -- and kelly o'hara and brian dorsey james, who you just a damning thing with drinks there, >> congratulations on this play. so 1958 tele-play, and something i understand the two if you've been working on or thinking about at least for at least 20 years or so. what was it about this story, kelly, that so fascinated you and made you want to pursue it? >> you know, we had just started a show together in a similar era, and i wanted to work with him again. i wanted to be back in that era. the subject matter also was very appealing to me as a young actor, i wanted to sort of stretch my self a little bit. it's sort of our version of who's afraid of virginia wolf

with music. it just seemed something challenging for actors to do, and it's proved right. it's been very satisfying. >> i do want to give too much away, but tell us about these two characters here. what were we watching there in that scene? >> it's a love story, really. it's about two people fall madly in love instantly, but then they have this added element of addiction which really wreaks havoc on the relationship. for them as individuals, and as a couple, they have to figure out how they're going to deal with this. and of course, in the time that this play is set, the vocabulary and the vernacular of addiction is still kind of coming into focus, and there is not really as much of an idea of how to discuss it and deal with it as we do now. so they are just trying to kind of -- they're in uncharted waters, really, about how to deal with their problems, which are huge. but at the end of the day, it's two people i think you are in love with each other, trying to get back to each other constantly. >> kelly, on not, the fact that

this is -- you're not performing this in a different time, with different vocabulary, the addiction is still such an ever-present struggle for so many people. how do you update that piece of it, to today's audience? >> if you create two human characters, your hope is that a person comes into that room and sees themselves or sees someone they love inside that story and identifies. i know personally this pandemic was amazingly powerful time in the world of addiction. i lost a couple of friends, i had many friends get sober. it's a subject matter that we started to talk about more deeply again, i think, at that time. and so it seems very timely now to do this piece. we've seen audience members come and have the most visceral reactions. you'll have someone thanking you, saying eight years sober. you love someone talking about a family member. you'll have someone sort of offended, and needing to leave. and that's okay. that's what you do with our. you try to make sense of things,

and it makes me feel very purposeful to work on something like that, that touches i think everybody, who has a connection. >> the sad reality is there's no one who has not been touched by this in some way. brian, you guys started with this off broadway, it was off broadway first, very popular. what's it like to bring it to broadway, to these big audiences at studio 54? >> it's thrilling. it's a bigger space, so we are wondering how that would translate in terms of the intimacy of a similar house, and now we are doing it in studio 54 for only 16 weeks. so we're getting these audiences there that are just as engaged, and just as focused on this very kind of intimate story of two people traveling these troubled roads. but it's been really, really excited. of course, studio 54 has its own kind of mystique and aura about it, in terms of maybe some substances were used there. i don't know, i wasn't there. i'm very young. but it is really exciting to be there, and especially to be doing it on broadway, a piece

like this, which is i think challenging and asks a law not only of the people that are in it, but the people that are coming to see it. and so that combination, i think, is thrilling to have space for that on a broadway stage. >> congratulations, it's getting great reviews. people are loving it. you can see days of wine and roses, now until april 20, eight at studio 54. in new york city, and kelly, you and i are blunted for life, because we finished second apart from each other the new york city marathon. >> yes we did. >> we did it. kelly o'hara, brian dorsey janes, congrats, good to see both. >> and thanks for being with us on this sunday morning. >> a lot of big games. >> are you watching? >> of course. >> i will be cooking. all right, we'll be back live tomorrow at 6 am eastern, msnbc's the weekend starts right now. >> reporter: good morning, it is sunday,