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members of the house will be getting back to work this week, but a major priority right now is wrangling with the details of a potential bill to deal with the border, and aid to ukraine. last night president biden reiterated his support for legislation that would give him the authority to shut down the border if it becomes overwhelmed. also last night, donald trump said he would rather have no border deal than a bad one. so had much support is the current legislation garnering in the congress? joining us now is -- nanette -- california, she is the chair of the congressional hispanic caucus. welcome to you congressman -- have you seen any text, legislative text, of this potential border security bill? >> not a single word. we don't know what's in the

details. we only know what is reported, we only know vaguely what the white house shared, but no text at all. there's really no way to say whether it's fantastic in great, as we're hearing some people say, and we don't know how bad it is either. it's a troubling, when we're trying to make statements about the deal that we haven't even seen. >> i have just one follow-up, there. when i worked in the white house, and before we rolled out large pieces of legislation or policy, we got on the phone and walk picky folks through the contours of the policy, through an outline if you will of the legislation, bring people in for a meeting, that has not happened for you? >> it has been very vague. there are things that i read about that i haven't even heard of. there are things i definitely don't know about, and i think that's very troubling, a troubling another troubling part is you haven't had a single member of the congressional hispanic congress -- leading on immigration.

the equivalent would be is if you had the congressional black caucus completely ignored and not at the table on civil rights issues. on voting rights issues. that would be completely unacceptable, and it wouldn't happen. >> what then would you be looking for, since you have nothing but at the moment, what would you consider putting on the table to sort of help guide that process as they're writing this legislative language, and since you're not in the room, sortie using the megaphone that is the congress and platforms like this, what would you say we would look for? >> the first thing is, everybody is talking about fixing the problem, how do you fix the problem. the way you fix the problem is you have comprehensive immigration reform, combined with enforcement provisions. that's not the steele. that's not what is being reported. there are no pathways. this is strictly enforcement. that is the problem from what i

am hearing, you're talking about shutting down the border, you're talking about a title 42 equivalent authority. if you take a look at the 15 of the 20 months that had the highest apprehension happen, when you had title 42. so we have evidence that it didn't work, it's not going to make things better. people are coming between pouring its of entry because they can't come to a port of entry. as i continue to remind people, asylum is legal. it is legal to come, it is legal to request and ask for asylum. are we willing to come to the table and compromise? absolutely. but you need to have a real conversation of give and take. this is been hostage taking, not negotiation. it's not like republicans have said we will give you pathways, we will give you -- because we know that's bipartisan. they haven't said will give you farmworker modernization. we need to have that real conversation in a room if you want to seriously fix the

problem. >> there's no negotiation here, it's not as though you have gotten something in exchange. it's not as if you are talking for dream -- enforcement mechanisms that we are hearing republicans want. which makes it even more remarkable that you have the speaker of the house ready to reneged on this deal, a deal that people in your caucus, the contours -- simply because donald trump has told them to shut it down. >> right. let's remember, if republicans were serious about fixing the border, they wouldn't be saying no outright to the things that the president is asking for. one of the reasons the border is the way it is, you've got to go back in time to historical timeline of that, but you have the last administration that failed to put money into infrastructure in the southern border, and right now republicans are saying no, let's look at what republicans have said no to. no to 800 and $5 million to combat fentanyl. they like to talk about -- they don't want to put their money where their mouth is, to

put resources at the southern border to combat fentanyl. they've said no to 400 -- more border patrol agents. no to that. how are you going to address the situation, you need more resources, you need more people on the ground. they are saying no to that. they're saying no to more cbp officers, at points of entry, to speed things up. they're saying no to a billion dollar in ice detection bids, not even something i agree with, they're saying no to this. there is a laundry list of what they have said no to, so we know they're not serious, and this is something i've been saying from the beginning. if you're serious, you're going to have a real conversation, it's going to be a real negotiation, that happened when the senate deal was coming together there was given take. there is real compromise. that's not happening here, because you now paired up with ukraine and israel, and i think that was a mistake. it should not be there. >> that was the only way that was gonna happen. the realities of washington right now, given what's happening on the ground in israel, with palestine, and what's happening in ukraine,

the only way you're going to cut a deal on immigration is that pairing. even the administration has put those two together. so how are you saying you would decouple that? so if you couple that, there's no will to move forward on immigration, and there's no will to move forward on ukraine, where does that leave us? >> this is a republican doing. this is the republicans basically saying, who are splintering of course on ukraine, on helping our democratic allies, and saying we're not going to do this in less. this is a dangerous precedent, what also the gonna start negotiating for when you talk about foreign policy and foreign aid, critical foreign aid that's needed. you have to look to republicans to ask them where they are. if they want to fix the border, if they really want to fix the border, they don't, this is their political campaign messaging, this is what trump

ran on last time. if they wanted to, they would be willing to have just a conversation on the border, and get that done, and what can we make sure what, resources are going to the southern border. but that's not happening. >> what is the congressional spanish caucus's strategy going into this week? i'm looking at a statement you put out in december, you noted were deeply concerned -- advancing trump-era immigration policies. the democrats fought so hard against. the statement goes on to talk about -- policy changes. it sounds like this is the end of january, almost february, you are in a similar place where you were in december 2023. what is the strategy, and do you have a message to the white house you'd like to give so one of the cameras today? >> first of all, the hispanic caucus will be involved in at the table, that's the first message. we need to see text. we don't even see what's in this deal that we're talking about. so let's look at the text, and then let's sit down and have a conversation about what's

really gonna take, and how we will really willing to compromise, and what we get an exchange for that, that's not been the conversation and that's the real concern here. >> there is the question of whether you will ever see tax, because republicans -- there was a tweet, or i don't know what we're calling the many more, from senator schatz who said i think of democrats were holding up funding for the defense of three allies in less we got unrelated thing and then we said no -- because our nominee told us to kill it, that the media would justifiably go thermal nuclear on us. if you think about it, in the flip, it's absolutely absurd. >> it is absurd. and that is the problem that we find ourselves in, is that a lot of this is being done for performative reasons. there is no real serious approach to the border, by republicans. we've had the chance to make the case the last real serious attempt was 2006.

if you didn't like what biden is putting out on the table right now, you could go back to that >> and i just say, though, i am quite concerned that the congressional hispanic caucus has not -- is not in any of the meetings. >> i'm sitting here processing that, they're going to have -- let's just say, it sounds to me that you're saying that a bunch of non hispanic, non-people of color, are negotiating a bill that speaks directly to what is happening to hispanic and latino individuals at the u.s. mexico southern border. that seems like a problem for me, i don't know what anybody else. >> that's a huge problem. and it's what we've been saying every day, every time i talk to the white house, it's the same, every single time. when i talk to senator schumer, it's the same. >> are they giving you a reason why? >> no. absolutely no.

not a reason why. the hispanic caucus theme -- number two, our members are immigrants ourselves, where the children of immigrants, we represent a community that are highly immigrant based at a represent the southern border, cities as well, and states. it is just shocking to me that you would just exclude the hispanic caucus from these conversations. even the meeting that the president held last week at the white house, it wasn't just the four leaders, they were like 20 people. >> it was the leadership and the ranking member of each committee. >> i'm not a single latino or latina. not a single member of the congressional hispanic caucus. and that's a problem. >> wow, the congresswoman is sticking around. we have some breaking news to discuss, because house republicans just revealed articles of impeachment against -- alejandro mayorkas, and democrats are already blasting

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news from capitol hill. house republicans have just unveiled two articles of impeachment they're bringing against homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. the first is what they focused on what -- comply with a law. the second is focus on what they are alleging is a breach of public trust. the reason? republicans disagree with how

the secretary is handling a humanitarian crisis at the southern border. in response, the department of released a statement. ote, this farce of an impeachmt is a distraction from other vital national security priorities, and the work congress should be doing to actually fix our broken immigration laws. they don't want to fix on the problem, they want to campaign on. congresswoman is back with us, this gets the point -- this is a political winner. >> absolutely. this is just a political stunt. we know that they are going after the secretary because they don't agree on policy. that has never been a reason to impeach a candidate secretary and it hasn't been done since the civil war. as someone who served on the homeland security committee and used to chair the border sub, we never went after nelson and tried to impeach her when she was separating children and families. it was a policy disagreement, and that's what we see happening here. republicans can govern. we know that this is a do nothing congress, they have not been able to govern, so they

are trying to add more on the border to campaign on, and that's what this is. a political stunt. >> can i just emphasize that point? i think it's important for folks to really understand out there that this breaking news breaking right now, and folks are digesting this, understand fundamentally this is a stunt. this is not about anything that mayorkas, the secretary, has done that violates his constitutional oath of office, that falls into the high crimes or misdemeanor category that is required by the constitution, this is purely a policy disagreements, and you know what it a real at that, because republicans haven't put out a policy that they can counter what mayorkas has done and what the administration is done so, i think is important for us to really contextualize this moment because yet again impeachment is being thrown around and used as a political cudgel against the opponents of the republicans that they disagree with on policy, i want

to put that on the table because it's an important -- don't know get all excited and i've talk about this, oh my god, what did the secretary do. he didn't do nothing except do what secretaries do, and that support the policy of the administration that republicans happened disagree wi. >> and to that point, betty thompson, -- they knew earlier this week, it was going to be part of this letter to you. your ill advice -- secretary alejandro mayorkas without any form or due process -- minority-day hearing is disappointing yet expected. nothing about the sham impeachment has abided by house president, but all of it has been done to reach the pre-determined outcome you promised your donors last year. >> we've seen this is been a major talking point of marjorie taylor greene, and what she's wanting to do, and impeach mayorkas. there's nothing here. mayorkas is in the room talking with republicans on what to do

with the border. he has been readily accessible, you're talking about -- willing to work across the aisle to address the southern border, but that is again not what republicans want, i think it's a dangerous precedent. i think that's something we got to continue to talk about because we're going to go down this road -- we have a policy disagreement with? that's only going to further polarize this country and be very dangerous. >> the last time impeachment proceedings were initiated against the member of -- 1876, when impeachment charges were filed against the secretary of war. this was a predetermine's impeachment, the chairman of the committee was caught on tape fundraising off of plans to impeach the secretary last spring. i'm struggling to find in this packet a high crime misdemeanor, bribery, or treason. >> that's because there isn't

any, and if you take a look at some of the old republicans, representative mcclintock, who i don't agree with on anything has effectively said there's nothing here. ken buck has said there is nothing here. republicans themselves know there is nothing here, and they have said it. again, we will go right back to its election season, and this is part of the political messaging to divide this country on immigration, and go after the secretary who's in charge of the work. >> part of the argument they're trying to make is about obstruction. they are trying to say mayorkas has not been sufficiently compliant. i want to remind folks, he has testified in front of congress 27 times in 35 months, -- dhs has provided 75 witnesses in more than 50 hearings, and they've responded to 1400 congressional letters since january 20th, 2021. also, not a great use of government resources to have dhs, which you should theoretically want focused on the border instead becoming pen pals with the u.s. congress. >> even if he wasn't complying,

would it be an impeachable offense? >> this is policy, and again let's remember, republicans have said no to what? thousands of border patrol agents. mother money at the southern border, mayorkas is asking for this money along with the president, and republicans have said no. how do you impeach a cabinet secretary who is asking you for resources to address the southern border, and you are saying no because you want a political campaign issue. how do you do that? >> where do you think this goes next, what is the play on after we get through the news cycle of the breaking impeachment, what is the play? what happens in the house, what do you think the movements inside the congress are going to be, what we find republicans quietly coming up to you going, don't worry about it? >> this is what happened the last time, the last time they were like please stop doing this. >> this is going to be a forward effort, because the whole biden thing is collapsed on a tear what do you think happens next?

>> there are conversations happening behind the scenes on a bipartisan basis on immigration issues and border issues, you just don't see and read about those, but i can tell you as the -- approach me and saying hey, let's work on something together. so i think there are still some reasonable republicans that we can go to, and we can talk to, and we can work with. some who will tell you behind the scenes this is not the right path they need to do something for the american people, whether it's lowering prescription drug prices, or helping economic issues. there are so many that the american people want us to do but because they can't govern it's just been about let's see where we can unify us, and that is generally been against the border, but we need to continue to work and do the hard work of coming up with something that will be palatable for both sides, and for us to address the southern border. there is no disagreement that something has to be done, and action has to be done, the disagreement is, can we have a real conversation that really

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journal joins us to digest some of this. sabrina, good to see you. welcome to the table. what is nikki doing? at the end of the day, when we touched on this a little bit on the last hour, the conversation around nikki and her newfound aggression, if you will, in terms of wanting to prosecute the case for her staying in the race, the rnc chair woman coming out and saying no you need to stand down. what does this mean, what are you hearing and seeing out there on the trail, and hearing from folks in places like south carolina, which is where she's down 27 points? is this working for her? is it moving, donors may feel good about it, but? >> i think is probably working as well as it did for senators marco rubio and ted cruz in 2016. nikki haley had been reluctant to really go after former president trump but now you are effectively looking at a

two-person race, even if a lot of people would argue that the writing is on the wall with respect to trump and his possible lock on the nomination, and the biggest challenge i think that nikki haley is facing is that nothing much has changed since you saw some of those republicans in 2016 try to really make the case against trump, in fact his popularity has only increased within the republican party, so i think we're looking ahead at her home state of south carolina where she is down significantly in the polls, super tuesday there's a couple of states where you have a little bit more of the moderate voters that maybe her campaign is targeting, but the biggest challenges that the math, it doesn't look like the math is there was a lot of the would've been -- show that register republicans, the ones who decide who the nominee is, are firmly behind former president trump. >> in his much as you have donald trump trying to make this a pivot to the general

election, you are also seeing some of that from the biden campaign. he was on the stump this week talking about the economy and the way that things are beginning to turn around, take a listen to what he said, and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> prices coming down, it's now lower in america than any other major economy in the world. the cost of eggs, milk, chicken, gas, and so many other essential items have come down. -- prices down, they were sued too many corporations in america that rip people off. >> this is the core argument that they now know they need to make, a challenge for them is that it has to hold from now until november. >> it has to hold, and we've really seen president biden try and put the economy at the center of his reelection campaign, and really connect the dots between the progress that we've seen in the economy, and the policies his administration has passed, and he has the numbers to back it up.

there have been all these fears of recession, but we've seen the data showing signs, -- >> people sitting around tables, not just -- >> growing the economy, inflation has significantly slowed, we've seen a spike in consumer confidence. but they are looking at is polls showing a lot of americans still have anxiety around the economy, they don't necessarily feel the same positivity, there's a disconnect between how the economy is doing and how people feel about it. when you talk about this pivot to the general election, oftentimes we've seen an incumbent, it's largely the economy and jobs that drive voters at the polls, and you've even seen president biden going increasingly after former president trump, and i think his campaign has also now effectively knowledge that that is how they see the 2024 race, as a rematch between president biden and former president trump, with his economic performance against that of trump as well as the broader conversation of democracy is a

key themes of biden's election campaign. >> one of the key themes, you've -- you're talking to some of the campaign officials, what are they most concerned about? >> with the biden campaign, i think they are aware that there is currently somewhat of a lack of enthusiasm as well as these lingering concerns over his age, i've seen that the biden's aides are little split on the impact of the war and the humanitarian crisis in gaza. >> you tell. >> some of them say look, there's a lot of anger and frustration around the humanitarian crisis and civilian death in gaza, and that the war is going to look very different in november. foreign policy has not really driven voters at the polls -- even then the economy was critical in the final months. then there is another camp that is looking at the anger and frustration not just among arab and muslim american voters, but young voters, black voters, the president is being disrupted at all of his events, it's

distracting from the event issues that he wants to talk about. and there is a concern that those voters who are already lacking enthusiasm, some allies are worried that would if they stay home, what if they vote third-party, what if they write in someone at the top of the ticket. i do think that they are shifting in tone, you've seen that reflected with respect to the president, some of that you've seen a lot more about how they're pressuring israel behind the scenes to change its conduct in this military offensive in gaza, some of that of course is reflected by the shifting politics that they are seeing around this issue, but of course there is a lot of time between now in november to see whether or not this anger in frustration -- >> so much time, i don't think they should dismiss the concerns of -- >> just very quick, the president was very strong in south carolina, but recently talking with african americans and making that case, and prosecuting that case in front of them. it came off very strong. to your point about the

concerns, i think they're trying to address it and the president is making that effort. >> i think so too. i would just say, as a recovering campaign strategist, big speeches are gonna get it, you have to get out there and meet people in the community, and i think, -- that's where he's actually best. sabrina's a the key, thank you so much, you always have the information. coming up next, folks, -- xavier becerra will join us to talk about the record number of americans signing up for blinds under the affordable care act. and shockingly, most of them are in states with republican governments. you're watching the weekend, on msnbc. msnbc. oney-licious taste. dayquil honey, the honey-licious, daytime, coughing, aching, stuffy head, fever, power through your day, medicine.

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>> mister secretary, as someone who is on the front line of trying to stop the aca, it is quite a moment for me to see so many americans embrace it. and for the administration to put a strong effort behind getting it into households across america, there is still this idea of more to be done, there is in fact a coverage gap, the new york times reports that more than 1 million poor americans in states that have not expanded medicaid -- coverage gap, stuck with him come to love for subsidize coverage through the marketplace, but too high to qualify for medicaid. how do you see now expanding, you've gotten everyone's attention, folks are coming in to their health care space, or the aca, there's still a lot of poor folks out there who are in those gaps. what is the administration's

view of helping to close that, and convincing to some extent those states that are still reluctant to get on board with providing expanded health coverage for their citizens. >> perhaps the most important thing is to convince the state leaders and these 8 to 10 states that are still refusing to extend coverage under the affordable care act, to their population, that it's a great deal. just go talk to the folks at northern carolina, where the folks in oklahoma who not long ago expanded -- or using the marketplace, as you mention the biggest enrollment on marketplace insurance coverage, other hearings coverage, it's coming from states that are depriving their citizens of access to getting health care. once people see that there is a good deal out there, a really authentic, it's real coverage, it will give you what you need when you go to the doctor's office or the hospital, you won't go bankrupt, and they realize that this is real it's true coverage, they buy it, and

that's what we've seen record numbers of enrollment on the marketplace, that's why states like the ones that i just mentioned have expanded assets to the medicaid program as well. we can get to the point of making sure that american has confidence and, peace of mind, going to the doctor or hospital, because they won't go bankrupt. if people just except, if leaders of their states -- deal. >> mister secretary, that peace of mind for people across the country relates to reproductive health care. and reproductive freedom. i know you are not ret the table because you will be with the vice presiden tomorrow in san jose, california, where -- abortion rights tour, and it is going to san jose. can we just talk a little bit about the state, what your department, what your agency is doing to protect reproductive health care for folks across the country. i understand there is

litigation before the supreme court and that is not something you can get into here, but there are actions that aj has taken. >> what i can take and tell you is that we have used the federal authority that we have to protect everyone, and certainly a woman's right to get the health care they need, that includes reproductive health care, that includes abortion, that includes contraception. we will continue to defend those rights. we have been taken to courts in some instances where we have fight to the very end to make sure that those rights are protected, but whether it is making sure that a woman has access to the contraception here that she needs she has been told by her doctor would be appropriate for her, we are going to do that, whether it's making sure that any american, whether or not it's a woman needing abortion care, needs of access to medical emergency services, the federal law in place today says that if you are in emergency situation and you need emergency care, you

are entitled to get the care you need to stabilize. it just so happens in one case it might be abortion, so what we're simply saying is that everyone should be entitled to emergency care they need, -- we are going to continue to fight that, we're going to make sure in court we fight to the very end to protect the access to -- prescription medication that has been found affective for more than 20 years. we are going to continue to do that, we are going to educate folks on the rights that they have, and we are going to do everything we can to protect a person's privacy. whether you're the patient, when the doctor, you're entitled to privacy. >> secretary, as you well know the presumptive front runner for the republican nomination for president, donald trump, is out there on the stump talking about repealing obamacare. a stance of li because he is mad that former president obama's name is on a signature piece of legislation that has proved to be incredibly successful, part of his tour of reparation and grievance, i want you to indulge me in a hypothetical, if you will. if donald trump were to gain a

second term, and donald trump were to attempt to appeal the aca, what would that mean for americans, and for the american health care system? >> that's the kind of speculation, you never want to get close to having being reality. it's not just more than 21 million americans who today have peace of mind because they have health insurance coverage to marketplace, but is for the millions of americans that have access to care through the medicaid program, because the vast majority of states have expanded access to medicaid. it's also people with previously existing conditions, more than 130 million americans who no longer have -- because they have cancer, or because they have another condition that pre-existed a need for care, and now they could be denied coverage through their insurance company, that went away with the affordable care act. that protection would go away if the affordable care act is repealed. so all those protections, the benefits that seniors have under medicare through the

affordable care act which gives them access to free preventative care, that would go away. we would just be ruinous for the health care system, at a time where america is finally discovering what a great deal the marketplace and medicaid expansion have been. whether or not donald trump tries to appeal the aca, and whether or not someone takes credit as the former president is now taking credit for putting in the justices that helped repeal row, the bottom line is that americans have moved on and already to protect americans care. not to put them in danger again. >> mister secretary, we have had -- on the show earlier and we talked about the reality for women across the country when it comes to reproductive care, and depending on where you live in america, your access to care is different. i know that the administration took some action on the 51st anniversary of roe to protect

access to contraception. can you just speak to a little bit how these conversations around contraceptives, and -- these are not hyperbole, because there is a concentrated effort in places across the country to limit access to not just the abortion pill, but also contraceptives. the former vice president of the united states, mike pence, said on the stage a couple weeks ago that if donald trump is reelected he would hope that he would ban not only abortion but put limits on contraception as well. >> if the tens of thousands of women and we know have been raped and can no longer seek the abortion care that they need in the state pay reside, is not enough to make people realize that this dobbs decision is real, then everyone just has to realize in their own -- someone's probably been impacted. i have three daughters, all of

child rearing age, my wife is a ob/gyn, a high-risk ob/gyn. she has for decades work with women who come in under very difficult circumstances, oftentimes needing an abortion. this is real for a lot of americans, and taking away contraceptive coverage would simply make it worse, because now you would amplify all the voices of regret, of difficulty, of hardship that are out there today, if we didn't have access to contraceptive care, because it is the principal means by which women are able to control their lives. it's hard for anyone to believe that my three daughters today have less writes then my wife had as she was a child rearing age, only because they live in states like california, oregon, where that is permitted for a woman to still get their care. they don't have to worry as much. there are a lot of other women, who based on their zip code don't know where they're going to get the care that they

really need. >> mister secretary, the kfc tracking poll asked folks out there which party do you trust to -- the future of the affordable care act. democratic party 59%, republican party 39%. given what simone raised, with respect to reproductive rights, what i raised with regard respect to the health care coverage gap for poor americans across the country, what do you see as the future of the aca, are we going to be in this back and forth depending on who's in charge in washington, we'll speak to whether or not the aca survives? >> michael, the best poll is people walking with their feet or clicking with their fingers on the affordable care act website, looking into the marketplace and signing up, the tens of millions who are now signing up, they're the ones that are talking, and remember back in the 1960s when medicate

first past, or go back to the 1930s when social cure a security was established there all these naysayers were saying which there was never gonna work, we should get rid of it, today if you tell an american that congress is trying to repeal their social security and i guarantee they'll walk and use their fingers as well to vote and let you know how they're feel, same about medicare, so just as social security, medicare, medicaid, or that trio that we count on, i think now you can add in the -- marketplace to that, because social security, medicare, medicaid, and the marketplace now has those resilient efforts to protect and ensure that americans have the peace of mind that they need. >> all right, that secretary of health and human services, xavier becerra thank you for so much for coming on the program. we really appreciate it. we've got a lot to talk about after the break, you're watching the weekend, so don't go anywhere. we're right here on msnbc.

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weekend. nikki haley just wrapped up rather new z interview with kristen welker on meet the press, here is what haley said when asked whether she needs to win her home state of calve south carolina to stay in the race for the presidency. >> don't you need to win your home state to show that you can win a state, when your home state, and really put some

delegates on the map for yourself for? >> well we've got 17 delegates, he's got 32, i'd say that's pretty good to start. what i do think i need to do is a need to show i'm building momentum. i need to show i'm stronger in south carolina than new hampshire. does it have to be a win? i don't think it necessarily has to be a win, but i it certainly has to be better than what i did in new hampshire, and it certainly has to be close. that's what we're focusing on. if we win, great. if not, we have to show that we're continuing to would narrow that margin along the way. >> i'm sorry, if your own people don't want you, how do you make the case to the rest of us? look, i get it. i've been in that room with candidates, as a candidate myself, you have to clean it up and shave it and fit it into a box that is way too small for the moment. >> this is not clean, fitted, or shaven. >> exactly. you do not win south carolina, there is no path forward for your campaign. i'm sorry, because that's your home state.

>> yes. so people understand what the chairman is saying, there is not been a nominee of either party that has become the nominee after losing their home state in the primary. they have only been five presidents in the history of the presidency that we've ever lost their home state and went on to be the president in the general election. two of them, one was donald trump in new york in 2016, and the other one was richard nixon, he wasn't on the ballot in california, because they knew that he wouldn't do well there. i have to laugh to because backed the process. if her team had to anticipate that that question was going to be asked, i've sat impressed with presidential candidates before, we say what are the hard questions? when the hard questions is, don't you have to win south carolina? >> you just have to say, i'm running to be competitive. i understand what you all are saying, i'm gonna run my race. -- you need 1200 of delegates to be the republican nominee. >> if you're a candidate

talking process, alicia, you've already lost. you never, as a candidate, want to talk process. someone is right, the answer is should've been yeah, i'm in the game, i'm trying to get in my numbers, i'm trying to get numbers, but i don't have the numbers. >> the math needs to matt. >> mathis matt. it's always matt. >> it's always matt. >> how much longer do you think she's in it? >> i think nikki haley is going to drop out of the race before south carolina, because someone hopefully plays the clip that hopefully we just had, the conversation we just had for her, and some of the people that care about her say you actually cannot lose your home state and go on to be competitive and have a future post donald trump, and looking towards the 2028, whatever you're going to do. >> particularly if the number is a big number. if she loses south carolina by three, okay. >> yeah. but even then. but you are the former governor of south carolina? you gotta when, honey.

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