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it is sunday, january january 28th, in your watching velshi. i'm charles coleman junior filling in for my friend ali velshi, we've got a lot to talk about. we start this morning with the trials against donald trump. he had his day in court, and i was just been ordered by a jury of his peers to pay 83 point $3 million to e. jean carroll for repeatedly defaming her. how do you respond? vegas, baby. the campaign rally a week and a half before the nevada caucuses was replete with the typical vitriol, hatred, and lives we've come to expect from the twice impeached, multiply indicted republican from honor. however, instead of focusing on his primary opponent nikki haley, trump largely directed his verbal assault at president joe biden. now, to, be fair, this actually makes more sense, and it

reconciles much better into trump's political economy. the primary season may have just begun, but, to be real, things are all but over. president joe biden is going to be the democratic nominee. we know this, and donald trump is almost assuredly going to win the republican nomination, after he decisively won iowa, and new hampshire, despite barely showing up, this is a foregone conclusion. and with several weeks to go before the nevada and south carolina primaries, along with super tuesday, trump's attention is also focused on his many legal troubles. these are all ramping up in the coming days. this week alone, we expect to learn trump's faith in the new york civil fraud case. judge engoron, who trump has routinely ridiculed, mocked, and dismissed, says he aims to issue punishment by january 31st, which is this coming wednesday. now trump is facing $373 million in fines, and he can also be banned from doing real estate business in new york. he is already vowed to appeal

this verdict. then, the following thursday, february 8th. the supreme court's hearing all arguments in the 14th amendment case that is seeking to bar trump from the ballot in colorado because of his role of inciting insurrection. and of course, we are all also still awaiting the d.c. court of appeals decision regarding trump's broad claims of, quote, absolute immunity. we've heard this before, we keep hearing it, and as a matter of fact, the claims have become even more outrageous as a plea on social media. joining me now in studio to discuss all of this is my friend, super lawyer, and colleague, msnbc legal analyst, former u.s. attorney and professor at the university of alabama law school, as well as co-host of the sister in law podcast. we have joyce white vance. as well as catherine christian. she is a foreman assistant district attorney and msnbc legal analyst. i did take off the glasses

early and start, just with everybody here, thank you for being with me and breaking this down. i want to ask you, joyce. when it comes to the new hampshire primaries and his victory there, we have a victory in iowa. how does that factor into trump's arguments going forward on the legal front? does that make a difference in terms of him being closer to the nomination on your mind? >> it's fascinating. and i wonder if you of the same sense that i do. much of trump's arguments seem better suited for the political arena than for the legal one. his defenses have been pretty slender in this most recent case involving e. jean carroll. he really did not have a defense. so i think most of what we're hearing him argue is gearing more towards voters than towards juries. >> reporter: i agree with you. i think one of the things that people of missed is that at this point, donald trump the candidate is almost inseparable from donald trump the campaign, i'm sorry, the defending. because it is one and the same.

his campaign stops are being treated as a way to argue the court of public opinion and that his court stops are being treated as a way to drive and speak to the public about, as a candidate, how he's being persecuted. catherine, one of the things that i love about talking to folks like us is that we are all trial attorneys. we've all been in the courtroom. tell me, if you are game planning, and you are jack smith, and you're trying to figure out, based on what you've seen now around how donald trump and his attorneys are maneuvering the narrative, does it change your strategy at all if you are preparing to prosecute him in any of the federal cases, be d.c., or mar-a-lago? >> no. we know that jack smith, though that case has been state, as already filed a motion before judge chutkan, emotional nominating, asking that the judge concluded donald trump and his lawyers for turning the trial into a campaign political

circus. so we have seen what he has done when he has appeared in a new york civil fraud trial, he got up, and was allowed to give a portion of his closing argument and use that to trash the judge, and talk about it being a witch hunt. we've seen his statements outside of court. so jacks mitt, the special counsel, they are geared up and are letting judge chutkan know to beware, and judge chutkan also watches, i'm sure tv, and reads the news. to not allow that circus that he brings outside the courtroom into the courtroom. judge kaplan, who was on the e. jean carroll case, effectively shut him down. and i think that if the judge chutkan case goes, the january 6th case,, she will do the same. >> reporter: joyce, this morning nikki haley was on meet the press. and she was asked about donald trump's legal troubles, and how that could affect her standing in the race. let's take a listen to what she had to say. >> i've never stayed in this

race because of court cases. you know, really, what all the court cases are, i have not paid attention to what he's won, what he's lost, what he's fighting, for any of that. what i'm looking for is the first one came down, and he spent a lot of time ranting about how he lost that court case. i >> reporter: is there any chased any of these cases have the chance to affect what's going on on the campaign trail for other candidates, as we're talking about this effectively? >> kathy makes a wonderful point about how judges and prosecutors learn every time they see trump in court. now they know what to think about him, they're prepared. that does not seem to happen in the political arena. and nikki haley, who could be taking a very different tactic here and distinguishing herself from donald trump, the candidate, by saying, look at me. i've never been indicted by any federal prosecutor or state prosecutor is not willing to talk about that.

there is still so much allegiance to trump, there is still such a willingness to pander to his base. it would be refreshing to sierra public, in any republican, come out, and make the point that's obvious to all of us now, that this is a man who's been held civilly liable for a sexual assault, essentially a rape. someone who's been indicted for mishandling classified secrets, and for being involved in an insurrection, an effort to interfere with the smooth transfer of power. but we don't see that happening. >> reporter: i really find that interesting. r: i reall>> reporter: there's h we're looking, at and we're wondering, when, if ever, this is going to register on the scale in terms of the criminal or legal leading over to the political. and i'm not sure is. i want to switch gears a little bit. catherine, we have been talking for a while about which of these cases, any of these cases, whether it's alvin bragg, letitia james, fani willis, jack smith, that trump should be concerned about. i want to talk about fulton

county. i still think that, even as things heat up politically for donald trump, nick is closer to the domination, that fulton county is something he should be watching intently. do you have a sense of what the most important case that donald trump should be concerned about if you are his defense attorneys? >> i think they're the ones they're worried about is the january 6th case. the one though supposed to go trial on march 4th, and i think there is no way that's going to happen. but it might go on may fourth, that we have not heard from the dc circuit court of appeals. now the fulton county case is an august trial date, unfortunately, we've had some issues that have happened in the past couple of weeks the need to be resolved. the allegations against the d.a.. but i think that the reason why but we have the trump team who's gone to the d.c. circuit, and there are doing about presidential immunity for

everything, including assessment and political rival, is that they understand that that is the most serious case that the president is facing. >> reporter: catherine, how long do you think it's gonna take? i made a prediction last week that we were going to see a decision from the court of appeals on the immunity argument within two weeks, which would be this week's. i like being right. so i would like to know from you, when do you think that decision is going to come, and how long do you think it's going to take to see a potential appeal to the higher court, if it does not go as well? >> i was wrong to. i thought was going to be last week. i can only hope they are taking so much time, not because the three of them are disagreeing, the three judges, they want to do it right. they want to make a decision, that the supreme court will say, we are not going to take. we are going to not grant for sure. this is a very serious issue, and they want to get it right. so hopefully, it will come this week. because time is of the essence.

we know it is not going to happen, the trial on march 4th. but will it happen in may? will it happen in june? the longer time they take, it is not certain that that will happen. the trial will happen as quickly as it should happen. >> reporter: catherine, i'm glad you said that. because i've been making that point for a while. it is not guaranteed that even if the court of appeals rules against donald trump, and donald trump tries to appeal to the supreme court, that the supreme court will even decide to hear that case. and a lot of people have made that a foregone conclusion, when, in fact, it's very important to understand that they could get that on their desk and say we're not going to deal with this. so i'm glad you made that point. joyce, we have this potential nomination that is looming. i have long since said that i believe that once he gets the nomination, the argument around election interference becomes more of a viable defense

strategy. do you think there's any merit that defense, instead of saying, i'm in a crowded field of a bunch of different candidates, now i am the actual republican nominee, have secured the number of delegates. is that argument going to gain any traction? >> i think only in the sense, and this goes back to where we started, that trump is masterful at blurring the political and the legal. and that's where this argument has the vitality. you know as a prosecutor that doj has a policy against commencing new cases, against taking over investigative steps to close an election. but that does not apply once a cases indicted and simply moving forward. we've seen other cases involving political figures where they're been trials close to election. that happened with an alaska senator many years ago. i don't think that there is an election interference argument to be made here as to donald trump. he was indicted before he was the nominee, and cases take a while to come to fruition.

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now the next primary is less than a week away in south carolina, where donald trump is likely to humiliate nikki haley in her own home state. if you are keeping score at home, haley is the former governor of the state, it is expected to take a considerable l in her own backyard. but while their why -- might not be much suspense, there is not a crucial state. and there's a lot where we can learn see take place. it's the first primary state where the the goal be a significant factor. and that's what president biden must travel is going to be down trump in november. nbc's erin gilchrist has more. >> i don't come here to tell you who to vote for. i came here to tell you who you must not vote for. >> reporter: south carolina congressman jim clyburn from an 80 church pulpit last week, targeting former president donald trump, blasting his

comments about the country's first black president, and accusing him of wanting to make medication more expensive. >> there are forces at work that are attempting to turn the clock back. >> reporter: as the biden campaign co-chair, clyburn is also campaigning reality, most nbc news taken in november, showing 61% of black voters will choose biden over republican. but in 2020, our exit polls showed biden won 87% of the black vote. clyburn's endorsement back then was seen as a key mocking black votes and the nomination. the 16-time representative has been a leading voice in the black nearly four decades, were viewed in south carolina. he calls himself president biden's validator. >> reporter: what is a need to do to make people feel it is done a good job? >> i think he's done a good job. that's what we need to do. we need to get people to see that. >> reporter: the biden campaign is not slipping off, and they

are dispatching surrogates to black communities, and making commercials like this one. >> president biden signed an executive order for racial equity. getting have a president joe biden, who is putting in the work for black america. >> thank, you thank you. >> reporter: with the election less than a year away, the biden harris ticket is also ramping up big crowd appearances. clyburn says they also need more advocates like him pressing the flesh, and repeatedly telling the democrats story. >> that's a rescue plan is all about. what infrastructure bill sold out. inflation reduction act, and the pack act, for god sake. >> reporter: clyburn, also pushing this congregation to the voting booth with a sobering history lesson, explaining how one vote ended reconstruction after the civil war, and open the door to the jim crow era. >> each and every one of you got the power of one vote.

don't you sit quietly by, don't you remain silent. >> that's why want to take back to my friends in people who don't vote, how the difference of how that one vote changed everything. >> i've been in the fight, i know where we have come from, and i don't want to go back. >> reporter: all thanks to nbc's erin gilchrist for that report. after a quick break, we'll get into what there is to learn from south carolina, and the black vote, with political analyst and we should crush and adrian starr sphere, the executive director of black packed. packed.

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remember, you could get. where the reason i am president. you are the reason, pamela harris's historic vice president, and you're the reason donald trump is the defeated former president. you're the reason donald trump is a loser, and you're the reason we are going to win and beat him again. >> reporter: you are the reason donald trump is a loser. that was joe biden last night in columbia, south carolina, thanking voters for their pivotal support in 2020 that helped him get the democratic nomination. the presidents appearance in south carolina comes less than a week before the states democratic primary, which he is sure to win. right now, you are looking at live pictures of president biden attending a church service at saint john baptist church in columbia. that is where next dame, congressman jim clyburn is also

expected to deliver remarks in just a minute. for more on the 2024 race in the primaries, i'm joined by and wish across, a democratic strategist who previously worked as a communication adviser for barack obama, and she is also political analyst for siriusxm. also let with me is adrienne shropshire, the executive director of black pack. so glad to have you here with me on this sunday morning. eugene, let's start with you. before the break, we saw -- he was showing that polling is showing that, among black voters, there is a lower level of enthusiasm about joe biden as a candidate. now compared to how these things shipped up four years ago in 2020. can you talk to our viewers about where this lack of enthusiasm is coming from, and what it is that the biden campaign can do to course correct? >> yeah, i think part of it is that we are really far away from the election. and the degree to which voters

are paying attention, that they are watching newscasts, reading newspapers, or being on top of everything to be on top of the election. they shouldn't have the expectation that they are paying attention in the way that they are going to be six months from now. so that is one. i think that we are a lifetime away in political terms from the election itself. you also just have a lot of malaise, in a way, among voters i think in general, and among black voters. in part that is because the biden message, the campaign message, what clyburn talked about in terms of getting the message through, and talking about what the administration has done, that should still really not breakthrough. and so you have voters who still don't totally understand what biden has done. they don't understand that even on big issues like student loan debt relief, real lack of understanding of what's happening there. i think the ways in which the administration helped to

sustain people during the pandemic, people who benefited from that directly, have not quite made the connection that these were programs and polls in policies that the biden administration put forward. so there's a lot of work that they have to do to make sure that they're really clear about how their lives have in fact changed because of the biden administration. they have to make that connection. and they would motivate people and yet people energized. i know in groups that we've been doing, and the polling we've been doing, the one thing that really holds black voters together is that and they do not want that. and they will say that even if they're interested in voting third-party, they're open to a third party candidate, the one thing that gives them pause is that they're afraid they will contribute to the reelection of donald trump. so the biden campaign really has to make sure that they are conveying a message that they were helping voters, particularly young voters understand what the administration has done. but they also really need to make sure the people understand what the stakes are, in the

kind of america that we will see if donald trump is back in office. >> reporter: i mean she, there is a very unique factor in south carolina that is a play, in terms of the black vote. because we haven't seen it as an issue in iowa, and we haven't seen as an issue in new hampshire. do you expect, first and foremost, that either of the republican candidates, if you could call that for this primary, are going to make any attempt to support the black vote, in south carolina in terms of the republican race, be in the general or the primary, a precursor for what we can expect to see around what the gop is going to do strategically for black voters. >> that's a really good question. i think that because the gop primary in south carolina was vastly different, in terms of demographics from the democratic one, what we're going to see is both candidates, at this point, as well as nikki

haley of donald trump appeal to the right. for donald trump, purity recognizes it. he is light years ahead of nikki haley, in south carolina. and i think that he's going to double down on, quite frankly, racism. he's going to double down on the things that tend to get his base going. and i think that quickly greatly diminishes in the average to the black community, which his cabinet is not necessarily interested in any way. and quite frankly, nikki haley is either. she is trying to re-litigate the actual cause of the civil war, and it's very uncomfortable, as it seems, in most public engagements, even talking about, or having any real conversation about many of the policies that have created the inequities across america for black people. so i don't think they're going to be very interested in any level of outreach for blacks, because quite frankly, if you're gonna really have to. if anything, they pushed a lot of disinformation will continue to do so, and that will run through south carolina as well. >> reporter: adrian, i think one of the things that happens this conversation is that there is a sense that, for some black

voters, not all, trump is being painted as this bogeyman. and there is a level of fatigue among a faction of black voters who feel like we've heard this before, we heard it about george w. bush, we heard it in 2016 about trump, we're still here, things haven't changed very much in four years. how does the democratic party, specifically the biden campaign, breakthrough with their messaging in terms of making the case that this is a very different circumstance? because, for some people who feel like democracy hasn't ever served them very well, the messaging around democracy being one on the ballot may not be enough to motivate them to the polls. >> yeah. > i think the flipside to tht is that there's a lot of people who understand what it means for black americans to see american democracy a road. you know, people are very clear about that. on the other side, i do think though that people don't have

to imagine what a second trump administration would be like. because who is telling them. when you think about the biden administration what it needs to do, it is tying your story for sure, it is making sure that you remember what the biden administration has done, but it's also talking with don trump is saying right now. and so when you have donald trump out there saying things like you are gonna deploy the military into black cities, we are saying that he's gonna enact the insurrection act on day one in order to round up to round up his detractors, he's talking about building camps, black people understand what that kind of rhetoric means. and so the biden campaign needs to remind people of who this man is, of what he is saying right now, in this moment. and it is very different in the kinds of rhetoric that you'd ever have from a republican presidential nominee before. and we know that he will do

those things. people remember january 6th, and they know what the cause was, and they know that they cause those folks out, and they are deeply concerned about the rise in supremacy that we've seen this country. and sure, there are people that say that we've made it through hard times before. but i want to say very clear, we shouldn't underestimate peoples ability to understand what the destruction of american democracy would mean for black people in this country. because in america, without democracy, it does not work for black people. and this is real crystal clarity on that. >> reporter: i'm a shot, really quickly, on a scale of 1 to 5. a. jerry pointed out, there's a lot of campaign left. there's a lot for get to november. where should the biden campaign be in terms of of this level of concern around whether this message is resonating with black america? >> they need to be talking a black america day in and day out. there is no road for donald trump about the inclusion of the black vote, that's very clear. black voters, younger voters,

particularly younger voters, and there's a lot of cares and concerns about housing, around health care, around these issues that, as we just heard, about particularly around racism and working dwelling to see, time and time again, to basically desegregate america, specifically this force. i think that it matters for the spurs who drew up on the campaign trail, talking to black voters, making sure that he's hearing them on the ground, and as a play for what matters in the most. because there is no joe biden presidency without the black vote. >> reporter: well said, well put, well done. -- adrian shropshire, thank you to boast. in 2016, donald trump vowed that he would win so much that donald trump would beg him to stop, stop winning, too much winning. apparently the gop took him at his word. because now, the republican party can't stop losing. that is next on velshi. stay tuned. stay tuned. ke if allergic to nurtec.

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winning, it is just so much. i can't take any more here. this is donald trump in 2016, when he was running for president the first time. and, to be fair, he did win that year. and maybe, just maybe, he was right. maybe republicans it did get tired of winning, and they did so a lot sooner than some would've expected. because after that, they stopped. it's almost like they don't like winning anymore. there is an el davis l.a. raiders, jimmie johnson, dallas cowboys joke somewhere in there, i'm sure. let's just take a look at the republican party's record since donald trump took over. in 2016, republicans did when, they hold on to control of the senate and the house marking the first time the gop controlled the presidency and all of congress's 2004. but then, in 2018, the decline

began and the short-lived dynasty entered an early twilight. they lost to democrats, but they did hold on and actually gain seats there. however, in 2020, when biden won the white house, democrats kept control of the house, and they gain control of the senate, pulling off a government trifecta, this was the first time for democrats since 2008. and then, in 2022, republicans were betting on a huge, so-called, red wave. do you remember that? well, it never actually materialized. it was more like a red sprinkle, maybe. although republicans nearly took back the house, the trump endorsed candidates and arizona, nevada, pennsylvania, they lost. now 24, the gop's in for another election year, with trump at the end of the party. so what does that mean for republicans who are down in the

races that have to get one besides the presidency. what does that mean for the party as a whole? joining me now is republican political strategist, former congressional aide and principal founder of black strategies, as well as former republican congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania. thank you to you both. congressman dan, i want to start with you, because i like your name. you have these races in districts where donald trump and his politics are in many ways not in alignment with what the district line with, we are pleased to be more of a moderate republican and almost cashes media independent, can you talk about what it calls for that candidate, in a district with that, and now has to align themselves with the head of the politics of donald

trump who are far more extreme than theirs? >> as you essentially described by whole congressional district of pennsylvania and the high valley region, that's exactly the dynamic that i faced. and it's one of the reasons why republicans aren't winning many of these key swing districts. and i know that donald trump has made losing great against republicans. for this very reason, it takes off a lot of swing voters, there are some republicans still her representing districts that joe biden won. about seven teams are so with districts. and then donald trump makes victory exceedingly difficult in these districts, as well as the swing states. and if you are planning comments for him, not only with independents, but also with the republican base. because of the voters, when you

have as many positive look like, many other republicans are gonna vote for donald trump this time. this is catastrophic, not only for the presidential race of the gop, but also for many down ballast's. so your nelsons right, on and i guess i have to object to your dallas cowboys graders analogy, as a guy who believes the philadelphia eagles green, thank you. >> reporter: eagles, we can talk about that another day. arena, i want to talk to you, one of my mom's favorite songs is by timbaland and chic, and it's right or die check. and i want to understand why the gop such ryder died for donald trump. explains to me. in terms of maga ideology, it has not been fruitful, or productive. no candidate has been able to hold a candle to taking him off of his throne.

so where does this ride or die, wants a mentality comes from in respect to the right allegiance to 2:45? >> i think we saw some of that come into display this week with the rnc trying to make trump the presumptive nominee, and then of course, cooler heads prevailed. they shouldn't do this, and then of course advisors got there. you know we have to say it's not really trump talking last week. it's how he walks with himself right now. look, one of the greatest frustration with me right now over the past 70 years in particular, is really the fact that there's been a lack of acknowledgment of one of the greatest issues that has propelled trump forward, and making him so beloved in the party. and what about the fact that there is been trusted messengers to take this message

forward? so like i said, we saw that on display. there is a lack of acknowledgment from how organize the american right is. i should just say a very quick person open yet to display that. just two weeks ago, i was almost up to new york, as passing through union station in d.c.. and it was on friday, and i fell sought for high school students in town, in washington d.c., who are clearly not from washington d.c., from rural states, because i was reading the names of their high schools, what was on their sweatshirts. they were in town for the march for life rally. now we all know what that's been over all these years, but roe has been overturned. y'all got your way. it has been kicked back to the state. these kids were brought to town. i came back to union station the very next day, right after the march for life rally was over, and i saw these high school boys, again, passing through union station with bucket hats that were printed, let's go brandon. i mean, this is what we are up against. when you talk about how the wright has gotten so organized,

i wouldn't say decades, but definitely these chapters come up, and they're getting to the youngest members of the party. and to simplify, the reductive, it's saying it's a cult, but when you ingratiate young people with this mentality that there's a whole apparatus against them, this is what you're going to get. >> reporter: congressman made the point is that what is making the allegiance to donald trump alive in the republican party is this notion of credible messengers. i wanted to ask you, is this really a matter of true allegiance and maga ideology? or is it really fear based in the sense that, look, this guy seems to be unshakable and unflappable as that of the party, if i get out of line with him, if i may not believe what he says, i could face consequences, and therefore, i'm going to be in lockstep. or do they just really believe the rhetoric? >> i think what's so unusual

about donald trump is that he's tapped into a vein that we've seen this country for a long time. i hope there's a nativist population element, and over the years, leaders of both party did not try to stop that exist, so to speak. and this will be different, a strong, dedicated following based on fear and anger. but it does not represent, i think, a majority of the country by any means, or even maybe it's half the republican party, maybe, and i think donald trump has created for himself a very low ceiling. and i didn't break through because of who he is, and what he represents, and the types of politics that he forces upon the american people. i think that has an enormous problem for the party. and i said for sometime, the party has become much more serious about winning.

and you cannot win in these critical swing states and swing districts with those messages. sure, he'll be able to run in these ruby red areas, and be very strong, and being perhaps to congress. but not to get majority, they are not expanding to other constituencies. and as it's been pointed out, the abortion issue also was sitting out there as a major liability for the party, on the wrong side of public opinion, and have to fix that issue as well. you have to moderate that position. not enough they're capable of doing it, but it's trump's brand of politics that is resonant, but up until now, we haven't had republican presidents, or nominees to the presidency you stoked that. they never got through it in the people like that. but this is where we are now. trump broke through, and that's why you're dealing with these consequences. >> reporter: republican strategist. -- always a pleasure to talk to,

and former congressman charlie dent, i will contact you the next time i got the link. thank you to you both. on the other side of the break, one day after being ordered to pay e. jean carroll $83 million for repeat the defaming her, donald trump travel to vegas. we'll bring down the mountain of legal troubles that come to a head in the following days. and another hour of velshi is going to start right after a quick break, stay tuned. quick break, stay tuned. ins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. (♪♪) >> woman: why did we choose safelite? anwe were loading our blend suv when... crack! safelite came right to us, and we could see exactly when they'd arrive

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