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capitol hill this hour, both involving the border. new talks, new hope, but no word of a timeline for a potential hostage deal in the middle east. plus, able proposition that might result donald trump's legal issues once and for all. ♪ ♪ ♪ a very good day to all of you from msnbc headquarters here in new york. welcome, everybody, to alex witt reports. it's one pm on the east coast, ten a.m. out west. we begin with two big breaking news stories. first up, the white house is confirming three u.s. s members were killed and at least two dozen injured in an northeast georgia right near the border with syria. president biden said in a statement, quote, while we are still gathering the facts of this attack, we know it was carried out by radical around -backed middle groups operating in syria and iraq. and the other big breaking story, a possible bipartisan deal on immigration and border security. donald trump is urging senators to reject that deal, but

republican negotiators say the text of the proposed bill should be on the floor of the senate this week. ♪ ♪ ♪ on the floor of th >> well, we do have a bipartisan deal. we are finishing the text right now. i'm hopeful that we will still have enough republicans in the senate who want to fix the problem at the border rather than just do trump's bidding. but we will see over the next 24, 48 hours. >> quickly detain and then support individuals, it ends catch and release. it focuses on additional deportation flights out. it changes our asylum process so that people get a fast asylum screening, get a higher standard, and can return back to their home country. this is not about getting 5000 people a day. >> we have a number of reporters from both washington and overseas has that story developed at this hour. let's begin overseas, nbc's matt bradley in jerusalem, on the military deaths. matt, are these the first u.s. military personnel killed since these attacks in the region? walk us through what we know about this attack.

>> reporter: yeah, that's right, alex. this is the first s.ilitary personnel killed on land in syria, and iraq, and anywhere around this region. there were a couple of americans who were lost at sea during those operations against the houthi rebels in yemen. as that.e have been confirme they were lost recently, they were pronounced dead. but what we are seeing right now is the first fatalities in terms of these actual strikes back and forth between iran-backed militant groups. this is what we heard from the white house, they don't have the details yet, but there are certain that these were w -backed militant groups. and we heard these expressions adness from the white house but they're not surprised because almost every single day since this latest round of fighting began, with that hamas terror attack on october 7th, we have been seeing iran-backed groups in iraq and syria taking potshots at u.s. troops, and there are thousands of u.s. troops based in those

countries. this was an eventuality that it seems like the white house and the pentagon have been waiting for. we know right now that they're meeting, huddling, trying to determine what to do next. this was certainly an almost inevitable consequence of wt we have been saying, the opations of the so-called access of resistance. these are the iran-backed proxy groups throughout the middle east who for the first time since they kind of formed maybe several decades ago, have been acting in concert, in defense of what they say are israeli attacks against the gaza strip. we've been seeing the same thing in lebanon. as recently as today, hezbollah and israel exchanging fire over the lebanese border. so, we are seeing these different nodes of conflict off throughout the region, including as i mentioned a moment ago, the houthi rebels in yemen. this is a really explosive situation and a massive exclusion. depending on what the u.s. decides to do next in terms of retaliation, we could really start to see a return lined war. and not just one between israel,

or israel and hezbollah, but one involving the united states and iran. and that would be a devastating set of circumstances, not just for the troops involved, but for the civilians throughout the entire region. alex? >> 100% right. we're gonna go forward very carefully with all of this. thank you so much, matt. let's go to the white house now and nbc's allie raffa. ali, the president has put out a statement on this. what's he saying? >> reporter: yes, alex. just to give you some background to the presidents statements. there have been legitimate fear is my the president and white house officials of this conflict widening since the war began on october 7th. and that's why you have seen the president direct deterrent measures, adding more troops to this region, sending more carriers, strike groups to this region, to try to act as a deterrent to bad actors who may try to take advantage of the instability caused by the israel-hamas war, to spark this into something wider. and this is exactly the news that the president and this

administration have been trying to avoid, with this news of three u.s. service members killed and 25 injured in what the president is saying in this new statement was a, quote, unmanned aerial drone attack on our forces statio northeast georgia near the syrian border. he says while we're still gathering the facts of this attack, we know it rried attacked by iran-backed groups operating in syri and iraq. the serviceman are the very best in our nation and they are unwavering in thty, unbending in a commitme to our country, risking their own safety, and for the safety of their fellow americans, and our allies and partners with whom we stand in the fight against terrorism. it is a fight that we will not cease. and he wraps this statement by saying, have no doubt, we will hold all responsible to account at a time and a manner of our choosing. that's the big question now, alex, one that we've allegation could come and in what passion? we've already seen some lawmakers on capitol hill call

for a direct action by the united states inside iran. you heard matt talk a bit about that in his bit earlier. we're still waiting to see what sort of posture the white house stakes moving forward. we know that the president was briefed about this by defense secretary lloyd austin and his national security team. and we can expect those briefings to continue as we see the president make his way from south carolina where he spent the weekend back here to the white house, alex. >> okay, allie, stand by. a couple of questions back for you, matt bradley, that being has anyone in the region reacted to these american deaths, to this strike? and what would be potentially a proportionate response? >> reporter: well, we've just heard about, this was actually, it sounds like from the white house, this happened yesterday. we haven't heard any reactions publicly, but one of our producers and jordan said that he reached out to a spokesman from the jordanian government was as this did not happen in northeast jordan, this actually happened across the border in

syria. we haven't heard any reactions from the pentagon, or the white house, saying that this wasn't in jordan, or that this was in syria. this is a big difference. it sounds this incident, as described by the white house, was very close to the border. and these soldiers were based on the jordanian side. this is something that is going to be sorted out. this is a very, very remote landscape. essentially, it's open desert. so, whether or not it was in jordan jordan or syria, that would have political implications. but, again, these soldiers were very, very close to that border, a border that is so remote as to be almost nonexistent. so that is the only reaction we are hearing so far from the jordanians. you can expect the reactions are gonna start rolling in, especially as we start to hear from the white house, depending on exactly what kind of action there going to be taking to respond to this. and, you know, i can bet that a lot of countries throughout the region after the u.s. has spent so much time trying to council peace and calm to keep this

from boiling over into it we can wide war, you're probably going to start to hear a lot of these countries urging the u.s. to practice restraint, to avoid escalating the situation that as i said, just a moment ago, really threatens to envelop the entire region into a middle eastern wind war. alex? >> that is pretty terrifying, something that everyone was speculating about with the upping of hezbollah reactions to its well. can you give us an update on that? has that been fomenting further with hezbollah? >> reporter: we saw that again just today, more xalapa tax against israel. israeli attacks against hezbollah. you know, this has been kind of not so quiet drumbeat in the background of what's been happening between israel and the gaza strip. and a lot of us, myself included, thought that the big spark that could ignite this region wide or, if it were to happen, would be right along that border between hezbollah and israel.

now, this is also something that could happen in the united states, because we saw that the u.s. was parking naval assets off the coast of lebanon. we saw some shuttle diplomacy on the part of the white house between beirut and tel aviv, trying to urge everyone to calm down, you know, urged restraint, to keep this from boiling over. now, with the u.s. suffering casualties, again, this is the first u.s. casualties, and u.s. deaths. this could involve more actors, more nations, and just heightened temperature that no one in this region wants to see. remember, each of these groups in their own way are backed by iran. hezbollah,ese groups in syria, these groups in iraq, thehis in yemen, and hamas in the gaza strip. so, it is up to tehran to either decide to pull the trigger and expand this war even further or to urge, practice restraint and tell everybody to put their guns away. and it really is going to be washington versus tehran when it comes to deciding how the

entire region moves forward from this incident. alex? n >> thank you very much, my bradley. allie raffa, thank you. matt and allie have been stating that this is a huge development in this regional conflict. a senator will join me in a moment to respond to the death of these three u.s. service members. first, let's have a little more breaking news, from capitol hill, with new word today, a bipartisan border deal is now finalized. the big question, though, will former president trump pushed republican senators to kill the deal? nbc's garrett grumbach has the latest from capitol hill. gary, welcome. senator chris murphy says they're finalizing this. but does trump really have the power to kill it? >> reporter: donald trump would certainly like to think so. another reminder of just his grip on the republican members of congress in this city. we saw just this morning, on the sunday shows, senator rick scott, congressman mcfaul, saying in fact they don't need congress at all to do anything about the border deal because of president biden, they think,

should do it all today by executive order. so they're trying to give congress, take congress completely out of this. senator james lankford, on the other hand, he's been the republican negotiator it's been working on this for four or five months now and is now very, very close to draft this bill together, putting some of the headlines this morning about this bill, what it is deal may look like. and increased asylum officers, increases detention beds, it ends catch and release. it increases deportation flights. of course, we don't have the text yet. that will come later this week. but senator chris murphy, as you mentioned, democrat, has been working on this as well. hasn't part of the deal as well. >> we do have a bipartisan deal. we are finishing the text right now. and the question is whether republicans are gonna listen to donald trump who once took reserve chaos at the border because he thinks that it's a winning political issue for him. or whether we are gonna pass legislation, which would be the biggest bipartisan reform of

our border immigration laws in 40 years. >> reporter: the senate has been working on that. house republicans just this morning announced two articles of impeachment against dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas. the article, they say, willful and systemic refusal to comply with the law. and the second is what they call, a breach of public trust. now, neither of them have anything to do with high crimes or misdemeanors, which is usually the bar for impeachment. alex? >> interesting. okay, thank you so much, gary grumbach, joining me as promised democratic senator from minnesota, tina smith. welcome, senator. glad to have you here. we're gonna get to immigration with you in just a moment. first, this big breaking news between, three american military personnel killed in a strike in jordan very near to the syrian border. they say it was carried out by iran-backed military groups. what's your reaction and how do you think it immediately potentially could draw the u.s. further into this conflict? further into this conflict

>> well, thank you, alex. of course, this is terrible, tragic news. i think of the very best of america, people who put their lives on the line in places where there is conflict, where they are there to protect our country's interest. and to think of this loss of life, and also 25 other american soldiers that were apparently injured in this attack, that's terrible. i'm thinking about how the biden administration from the very beginning of this terrible conflict in the middle east has been working and seeking a way to keep this conflict from expanding, and from bringing more and more people and countries in. and i just hope that everything goes well. we are still waiting to gather information here. but it is a very sobering and sad news to hear this morning. >> do you have an expectation of what the u.s. does now? is there, in your mind, an obvious proportionate response, should the president ask

congress first to authorize any broader military action in the region? >> well, as you know, we are still gathering information, trying to understand exactly what happened. i think it is clear, according to what the white house is telling us, that this was instigated by radical extremists, funded by iran, which so much of what's happening throughout this part of the middle east. i think we need to wait and gather the information. i will look to the white house to tell us what is next, and feel confident that they will make the decisions here. >> let's move to the major developments in place on the border. senator chris murphy, one of those leading the negotiations, says they have a deal. however, donald trump is in the background, urging republicans to kill any border agreement. my question to you, does he have the power to shoot this down? and bend things to his wishes. >> well, you know, i think about my colleague chris murphy,

and the white house, and our republican colleagues, who have worked in good faith to trying to find a path forward on improving security at our border, addressing issues around fentanyl coming from the border, something that we need to work on. now, i haven't seen the text of this legislation yet. i don't know what's in it. but i appreciate that good faith efforts of my colleagues. and then, here, you have donald trump who just appears to be hell-bent to tank any deal that has been put together. i have to say, i agree with my colleague, senator mitt romney, who says that it is appalling what he is doing. my other colleague, tom tillis, senator tillis says he thinks it's immoral. trump appears to be, apparently, willing to use any issue, including issues with our border, to further his own political interests, which is i think why he was such a terrible president, and why we have to stop him now, because all he cares about is himself

and what he can do to further his own political interests. >> president biden has said that if the immigration bill passes, he would shot down the border the day he signs it to get the immigration system back under control. speaker mike johnson has said that biden does not need congressional action to close the border now saying, quote, he can and must take executive action immediately to reverse the gas roughly he has created. in your mind, would shutting the voter helped solve the immigration issue? would it help or hurt the president come november? >> well, first, i think it's patently not true that president biden has the power now to unilaterally shut down the border. this is what our colleagues have been working on in this immigration deal. i think that what is important is that we have some sort of a rational plan for addressing the broad needs that we have on immigration in our country. that includes some sort of rational path for immigrants who are coming into our country. it includes improved border

security, something, by the way, that president biden has supported from day one in his administration. and of course, i would hope to see a path to citizenship for young people who've been in this country their entire lives, nearly their entire lives, and are still waiting for a path forward. now, i don't expect all of that to come from this immigration deal that chris murphy and kirsten sinema and republican colleagues have been working on. but the reality, the former president just appears to be willing to keep us alive as a political issue. and by the way, he did nothing to improve our border security when he was president. this is just appalling. >> i want to get one more question, and this is about health care, because this week, the white house announced a record 21.3 million people signed up for courage through the affordable care act in marketplaces for 2024. that's nearly doubled the number of synapse from 2020, driven in part by more generous throat subsidy programs. those are set to expire in 2026.

donald trump for his part says he wants to repeal and replace obamacare without offering any comparable alternative. are you concerned the affordable care act is at risk come may, november elections? >> this is gonna be the contrast, the choice that voters will face come out of number. president biden and democrats have improved the affordable care act. they have made it more affordable, for more people, to get their health insurance on the exchanges, i think that most, 80% of people who get their health fixtures on exchange are paying $10 less a month or more. and on the other hand, you have the former president who again seems to be hell-bent to tear apart the affordable care act. it's the way that millions of americans are getting affordable health insurance. that contrast could not be more clear and it's gonna be what's at stake in the election come november. >> democratic senator from minnesota, tina smith, i want to thank you for your time with us. appreciate you. coming up in 60 seconds, we

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news this hour. and nbc news exclusive, the biden campaign is planning a spring fund-raiser for the president in which he will reappear with former presidents barack obama and bill clinton. according to the new nbc report about the anticipated spring event, officials hope it would be lucrative and headline grabbing, but also energizing for democratic voters who have so far not shown enthusiasm for the party's 2024 ticket. there is no word on the exact date,. however discussions are underway to couldn't everyone's schedule. more to come, definitely, on this. let's go now to the gop race and donald trump facing new attacks from nikki haley

today, as he looks forward to the nevada primary and caucus. he held a rally in las vegas yesterday. it was one day after he was ordered to pay 83 plus million dollars to e. jean carroll. joining me now, nbc's-less courts who was there. hello, liz. >> hey, alex. former president donald trump briefly mentioned friday's verdict as calling himself a victim, and he said all the legal cases against him are part of election interference. now, the throngs of supporters that came out to see him here told us that all of this is just making them more devoted to mr. trump. [applause] >> reporter: former president donald trump out of the courtroom and back out on the campaign trail. >> and the victim of it, but that's okay. i'm the victim of it, and it's a great honor. >> reporter: holding a packed rally in las vegas one day after a manhattan federal jury ordered him to pay 83 point $3 million two writer e. jean

carroll for defaming her after she accused him of sexually abusing her in the mid 90s. mr. trump lashing out at the jury's decision. >> look at yesterday, look at all this crap that's going on. we keep marching forward. >> reporter: mr. trump has vowed to appeal, calling the decision, absolutely ridiculous! and a case of witch hunt. his supporters rallying behind him. >> this is just a bunch of bs. i think is gonna overcome it and win in 2024. >> he's doing gods work for this country and he is at war right now. that's why i support donald trump until the end. >> he gets stuff done. >> he's about america. he puts america first. and he gets the job done and doesn't take no from anybody. >> i like what he's done. he doesn't take any crap from anybody. he gets it done. he says if he's gonna do, it he's gonna do it. that's why i like him. >> if you study our past presidents, a lot of them were way, way worse than he was.

>> reporter: now, also here in vegas, vice president kamala harris was here campaigning this weekend, as early voting for the states democratic primary gets underway. those dueling rallies signifying just how important nevada is, both for biden and trump campaigns already seem to be looking to november to try to win this critical swing state. alex? >> okay, liz keutz, thank you for that. my next guest says he has a bold idea on how to get trump go away and not come back. you're gonna hear it next. t. get a light scent that lasts with no heavy perfumes or dyes. ( ♪ ♪ ) >> woman: what's my safelite story? wii see inspirationmes right through my glass. so when my windshield cracked, i chose safelite. they replaced the glass and recalibrated my safety system. that's service i can trust. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ remember in school when you learn complicated math stuff like sine and cosine and you think, "will i ever use this in real life?" well, the answer is "no", but a kettlebell squad.

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the trials of donald trump and what's making news, what he did not say at his las vegas rally last night. he did not mention that name e. jean carroll. also new today, a new filing by the special monitor in trump's 370 million-dollar fraud trial. it shows trump falsified disclosures over a 48 million dollar loan that may not have existed, amounting to what could be tax evasion. and as trump recovers from the 83.3 million dollar walloping in the carroll case, my next guest has a bull proposition to resolve trump's legal issues once and for all. >> had he been a president, attorney general, he could have cut a callable deal for him. if he blinks and stand, back what should happen here? who should go away and never, never come back. maybe pay a lot of money, maybe wear an ankle bracelet for a while, but will, you go away and never ever come back. >> my friend harry litman, that

guy right there, joining me now, former u.s. attorney, of course, and former deputy assistant generally in the clinton administration. now, he is host of the talking feds podcast, also illegal columnist with the l.a. times. my question is, what don't you do, my friend. anyway, before we get to this idea of a global deal, he has not publicly mentioned e. jean carroll since the ruling. could he be putting himself on some sort of defamation budget? >> yeah, i think so. and i think it is significant because it shows him having been brought to heel. you saw his supporters saying, he doesn't take any crap. he does what he wants and it's away with it. here, he did what you wanted and did not get away with it. he got sought once a little bit and now very harshly. i think maybe alina habba, maybe in his own mind, that's a path i can't go. and i've been burned very severely. we will see, but i think it will be a really encouraging sign that the legal system can

actually constrain him. >> yeah, third degree burns that. what about alina habba who had testy exchanges with judge at one point, he told her you are on the verge of spending some time in thlock-up. now sit down. later he said, if you vla my instructions again, there may be conces. and then when alina habba tried to raise out on the assault, caplan sent the fact that mr. trump's sexually assaulted -- established by a jury and judge caplan said it is established and you will not quarrel with me. harry, did the trump team miscalculate on their legal strategy? >> look, they have been a comedy of bumbling hours for many months. she does seem to be perfectly chosen to be the wrong lawyer in the courtroom. she got generally locked for not having the basic skills, which i think is true. but more than that, she tussled with the judge.

she tussled with, you know, everything about the proceedings. she was trumpian. you are present trump in something like this, you need to portray that you don't have contempt, and you need to try. good luck to you making him a sympathetic figure. i do think part of the, you know, rough week he had was having chosen a council who doesn't seem to have -- it's not just chops but kind of judgment about how you try a case like this when it's already been established, and you may not quibble that your client has sexually assaulted the plaintiff and then lied about it. >> so, judge arthur engoron has said that he's trying to deliver a ruling in a civil fraud trial by wednesday. how do you expect him to rule on the 300 and $70 million? do expect trump is going to get clobbered again? and what happens next in terms of trump actually paying up all these millions of dollars? >> two questions, on clobbered

again, he has. although i will think he will come under what james asked, remember, she tried to document. now is the time where if you are engoron, you are thinking about, i'm about to give the case up, how can i not get reverse. my best guess is he comes in with a figure close to 250, maybe even under. in terms of getting paid, everyone knows trump gets away with stuff. it's true that the eventual plaintiffs, well, one is new york state and one is e. jean carroll. they could have a long road. but trump has to put up money and soon, in order to appeal. and that, again, i mean, he generally took it on the chin this week, you know, the cases and the legal landscape, genuinely drew blood. it's true that it will take a while until she has it in hand. she said she wants to do, you know, good things with it. but it's also true that the

hammer has come down and he will be having to part with millions of dollars fairly soon. >> listen, in fact, you think that that e. jean carroll ruling is just the beginning of an avalanche for trump. can you explain to us your idea for a global deal to keep trump out of prison? and is there an appetite for that right now on the other side? >> there's just not a place for. thank you for playing that clip. the next couple of sentences were, you know, that would be what would make sense in the world, but it's not our world. you have the country literally polarized and as bad as it's been since, what, a civil war. and there is an obvious, global remedy of having, you know, the assault la monica figure who just doesn't exist to come in and find a sweet spot where the trump lovers lovers think he's being taken advantage of, and trump haters think it's too easy on him, something like we did with nixon, something like

pay back every money you stole with the clause, wear an ankle bracelet, and go away. but we can't do that here anymore. and it's not just one reason that seems obvious. you've got different jurisdictions, states, and others. i think there was a time when that could have been overcome. but we've been so vigilant about trying to treat him like any other litigant. there is literally no one to step in, including, say, the president of the united states, who's trying to be double arm's length here, and actually make that happen. if this were a different kind of client, not running for the presidency of the u.s., and a different lawyer than alina habba, they would send him back and say, look, you gave it a shot. this is it. it's gonna get worse, and worse, and worse. you've got to sue for peace in someone. he did it all on the political campaign. nobody can really stop him. and there's no one, nowhere to sue for peace. that's the point i was trying to make in the media snippet. >> i can bet that i'm not alone

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killed and many wounded during an unmanned aerial drone attack in northeast jordan. it s ght near the syrian border. the white house says the attack carried out by iran-backed militant groups operating in syria and iraq. president biden saying in a statement, the that we american service numbers we lost were patriots in the highest sense and their ultimate sacrifice will never be forgotten by our nation. joining me now, retired u.s. army general barry mccaffrey on this very sobering news. general, thank you. this certainly seems to be a significant escalation in the region. is that how you see it, passing a red line here? >> well, the continued iranian orchestrated and inspired equipped series of attacks on u.s. forces throughout the region. alex, it's been over 158 attacks on u.s. forces. syria, iraq, now jordan, we have around 3000 troops in jordan and a variety of

missions. the jordanians are loathed to publicly acknowledge that. the houthi rebels in the red sea, although they have not successfully sunk any international trade, dramatically changed the economic global transportation situation. so, iran is the looming presence behind these attacks which turns out a veil. >> can you tell me what you believe a proportionate response to this attack would be? what it would look like? >> i think, you know, understandably, you know, biden, secretary austin, blinken, national security adviser sullivan are trying to not escalate the situation. it's really gone beyond that now, and so, the whole notion of, well, we will fire back at a launch site. we're trying not to kill any of the insurgence, terrorists at

that site. it's certainly not been working. literally, these are dozens of attacks happening, to include the u.s. navy at sea. so, i think the biden administration now is gonna have to rethink its general strategy. it turns out it's not working. the question is do we have a lever to use against the iranians? we have tried to moderate the economic isolation of iran and return for more cooperation. we warned them about the deterrence attack and iran before it occurred. the saudis are keen on not seeing an escalation of tensions with the iranians. so that is all at risk now. the only way to dramatically change the situation is to take action against iran, given that they have crossed a line. and that is a perilous journey. >> but you've mentioned efforts to try to rein all of this in. are there any other effective

ways other than militarily, for iran to be held into account, without this escalating into a full-fledged conflict? >> yeah, i think the full-fledged conflict is basically not tolerable for the biden administration nor our allies in the region. they will all run for the exit, by the way. where are the egyptians? where are the jordanian public stance? the jordanian foreign minister has been denouncing directly the israelis and their war in gaza. 100,000 combatant forces pierced to the north of the lebanese border, voiced to attack. it has not yet gone total high in escalation, but one step short of that. again, the biden administration challenges we have no over allies in the region. we are taking this upon ourselves. possibly, a truce in gaza will

start to lead some of the energy out of this war. again, israel, several hundred people tortured, burned, raped, abducted to try and neutralize hamas. >> general barry mccaffrey on this breaking news, thank you very much, sir, for your insights. we're gonna have live reports from israel and the white house coming up for you at the top of the hour. next, we have an nbc exclusive about an all hands on deck response from president biden's reelection campaign. plus, i don't even know how to explain this new spot like moment for congresswoman lauren boebert. we just have to see it. e it ions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt.

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carolina today speaking just a short time ago at a church event as he looks to shore up his support among black americans ahead of the state primary next saturday. nbc's erin gilchrist is traveling to the president and he joins us right now from columbia. welcome to you.

what was the presidents message and what does he need to accomplish next saturday, erin? >> reporter: alex, the president has been on tour here in columbia, south carolina since he landed here yesterday afternoon, stopping first at a black barbershop before speaking at the state democratic party's annual dinner last night before a crowd that was extremely welcoming to him and the people who spoke ahead of him. and a message that we are hearing from the president is one that he summed up as promises made, promises get. he said that several times in his speech last night as he went through a list of things that he's done throughout the course of his presidency. he was introduced by jim clyburn, the congressman from south carolina, who spoke at length about accomplishments that he says the president has made in the three years that he's been in office around lowering costs of medication, lowering, dealing with student debt, eliminating debt for students. he talked also about the unemployment rate in the black communities. and then today, he went to a black church, this morning, afternoon service, they're

speaking just a few minutes towards the end of that service. i want you to antibodies after the condition that was gathered to hear him speak today. >> imagine what would've happened if there had been no black churches threw all the spirits of darkness. well, you give us a promise land, you give us a dream and a faith that we shall overcome. we can overcome. you know, you push us toward a more perfect union, you really do. to bend the arc, the moral universe toward justice, together. >> reporter: and so, really, the core of the presidents message here is that he supports the black community and he hopes that the black community will come out and support him again in this election cycle. the reality, alex, is that in order for the president to do well, to win essentially in november, he's going to need these communities. vice president harris was in a bad yesterday. last night, she spoke there.

and this is really an effort to solidify the stance of the biden harris ticket in these minority communities. alex? >> everyone knows that, okay, thank you so much, aaron gilchrist. meanwhile, the biden campaign is bringing out the big guns for an upcoming first of its kind campaign event. new nbc news exclusive reporting reveals a planned blockbuster fund-raiser this spring with three democratic presidents, joe biden, bill clinton, and barack obama, all appearing together. joining me now is don calloway, democratic judge and founder of the national border protection action fund. republican strategist susan del percio, and former florida congressman david jolly. both msnbc political analysts. i'm gonna tell you, don, you guys were a power trio, you know. so, let me start with you, david. the biden campaign appears to be listening to the democrat calls for an all hands on deck approach to help him win a second term. besides making headlines, besides raising a significant amount of money, how far could a show of force like this go to

energize and mobilize the party base? >> well, i think it's important for two reasons. first it's an indicator that it machine is starting to crank up. look, you have had supporters of joe biden say, please, please, please start doing more, sooner, more often, let's see it out there. now you are. i mean, to see three presidents in the room at the same time, there's no question that that machine is turning on. but it also shows that unity of the party at a time where, look, the truth is joe biden does have a primary opponent. there's these possible independents, third party candidates, some of whom kind of have democratic sympathy. so, this is a show of force, and it is also a signal to the democratic voting community, turning the machine on. now it's the time for you to step up and be a part of it. >> so, susan, this whopping 83 point $3 million that trump has been ordered to pay for e. jean carroll, for defaming her, i mean, that could be kind of an appetizer because many of the

trials, mega million verdicts before november. are republicans really ready for what's about to be served up? >> the die hard trumpers sure are. i, mean they are doubling down on. and with the that since the very first indictment back in march. so, donald trump uses this as a red meat for his base. but he needs more than his base to get reelected, or to get elected, excuse me, in november. and that's where he's gonna face the biggest problems, when all of these legal troubles start coming in. first of all, the money itself is going to be mentally taxing on donald trump. he's gonna have a hard time with that. but taking these trials, going to them, being in the courtroom, it's exhausting him. you could see it. he's worn down. he's tired. he doesn't want to campaign. that's why he doesn't want a primary. so, i think when it comes to independents and center right republicans, they're gonna really turn on him. and what's important is that

they will probably not motivate those republicans to actually vote for biden again instead of just staying home. >> so, don, the president is in south carolina this weekend, it's part of his 2020 come back. while there, he has been delivering these empty up messages to black voters ahead of next week's primary. let's take a listen to some of what he said last night. >> you are the reason i'm president. you are the reason. kamala harris is an historic vice president. and you are the reason donald trump is a defeated former president. [applause] you are the reason donald trump is a loser. and you are the reason if we're gonna win and beat him again. >> so, is joe biden doing enough to make sure that his campaign is speaking to the full spectrum of voters, don? what else could he be doing to show black voters that he is prioritizing their support? >> well, i'm excited about him

being not only in south carolina today and this weekend, but about the slate of engagements throughout the rest of that year. like david said, it's important to remember the machine is now cranking up. we're seeing that with the three president. and those three presidents being on the stage to get, when that happens, it's significant because it's a visceral reminder of the actual and told history that republicans have only won the popular vote in the presidential campaign one time in just 1992. and that was in 2004 when we had a relatively subpar an exciting candidate. yes the electoral college matters, and yes, state-by-state calculus matters. but the reality is that for the plurality of the american public, they've been on the side of the democratic nominee for 32 years now. and we don't always see that until the machine breaks up. and we get trouble down the road. as i said on this show a few times, we start seeing the numbers that are reflective of where the elections are going to be, about 30, 45 days out, we can start to see that in

late september, early october. right now, us and all the folks who are planning to secure this democracy, watching msnbc, and the rest of the world is watching, dancing with the stars. and that's okay because we are putting in the work to let the proper, the hook stay cold by the time election comes. >> it's a good show, anyway. david, nikki haley insists that there is a path forward for her to be the gop nominee. but while the door is still technically open for her to overtake trump, the accelerating delegate count and the upcoming primaries really makes it a long shot. should she stick with her strategy of trying to turn out moderates and independents and how long do you think she can carry on? >> yeah, alex, nikki haley is wrong. she will not be the nominee. donald trump would be the nominee and -- >> sorry about that. we started the audio -- >> it's okay. i think she wasn't gonna be the nominee, i appreciate it.

two questions, why is she in it and where does she really think it leads? or is she going to ultimately withdraw trump's support, which you refuse to? does she entertain, for instance, a no labels bid? big questions without some clear answers particularly if she loses her home state and gets vicious when the former president. we can have some more important questions, where do herbers go? 25% in new hampshire, republicans, voted for her. she clearly has a following. the people who do not want donald trump. do all of those voters fall in line behind trump or are those actually biden sympathetic voters? it's probably a mix but that's a powerful number of biden sympathetic voters. it's probably available for joe biden and the general election. >> if he does end up dropping out and endorsing donald trump, i would put money on the fact that it's not gonna sound anything like senator tim scott's was. i mean, that was just -- come on, i know that you were kind of having a cry about, that don, because he's a friend of yours. anyway, i do want to get your reaction to this video of gop

debate this week for congressional district number four in colorado. congresswoman lauren boebert on the left side of the moderator there, when the moderator asked, who's been arrested before? let's listen. >> supporting the republican nominee -- please raise your hand. another show of hands here -- [inaudible] [applause] >> well, that's just great. let's applaud six of eight of those candidates raise their hand -- don, to you first, what's your reaction to that? >> that makes me feel very strange. on one hand, i recognize that the standards are changing for electoral participation, such that people who have been arrested for traffic tickets, or for minor drug offenses can

now aspire to political office on at least the congressional side. i think that's a good thing. however, i don't like it because i know that me and my people got arrested for growing up in st. louis, alabama, and in grad school in boston. it wasn't cool. it wasn't anything to be played with. we weren't doing anything. we won violating the law. we weren't being bad people. to see them talk about being arrested in a relatively popular white when the reality is that -- the everyday life for black black and brown boys like i once was. this is not cool, it's not funny. and lauren boebert is, again, not a serious person but that party and that nominating process is not one that is run through -- so, that's not the stuff that's really funny to me. >> you know, i'm gonna let that be the final road because that was sobering and i'm glad you shared it that way. good to see all three of you, see you again soon. meantime, what happened to the mona lisa? we're gonna show you, next.

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