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to ayman. breaking news, a deadly drone attack on u.s. forces in jordan. three american service members dead. the president vowing america will respond. who ordered the attack? also tonight, major developments in washington involving that tense standoff at the southern border amid efforts to reform the country's immigration system. and rare review -- house republicans are with -- impeachment probe. a rare dose of bipartisanship at a time of deep political polarization on the hill. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's do it. we begin this hour with breaking news in the middle east, and the widening israel-hamas war. the white house's brain iranian-backed militant groups
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after three u.s. troops were killed, and more than 30 injured last night in a drone at sac in jordan. the strike hit a u.s. base in northeastern jordan near the border with syria known as power 22. according to two u.s. officials, the drone was packed with explosives, and hit near a shelter where some troops were sleeping. in a statement, president joe biden said that while the u.s. is still gathering the facts, it was carried out by, quote, radical iran-backed militant groups operating in syria and iraq. the kingdom of jordan also releasing a statement condemning the attack and expressing condolences to the u.s. for the soldiers who were killed. the stats will almost ctaly put more pressure on biden to respond more forceful detentions in the region, which have been escalating for months now. since october 7th, there have been continuous strikes from the red sea, and at least 160 attacks against bases with u.s. troops in both iraq and syria.
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the u.s. and partner forces have also carried out strikes, including those on military targets in houthi controlled parts of yemen. still, the messaging from the pentagon is clear. here is defense press secretary -- >> is the u.s. on the brink of war right now in the middle east? >> we are not at war in the middle east. >> rider went on to say the u.s. is working to de-escalate tensions in the middle east, but its track record says otherwise. joining me now from washington is nbc news capitol correspondent allie raffa. ali, good to have you with us. we know president biden has blamed iran-backed militants for the attack. as the white house signaled how the u.s. may, and when it may, respond? >> yeah. that was a great breakdown of how incredibly complicated this situation and really the stakes around it are. we know the president returned
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here to the white house and just the last half hour or so after being in south carolina throughout the weekend. while he was there, we know he was briefed, he, along with vice president kamala harris, were briefed by their national security team about this attack that, as you mentioned, he said the facts of which are still being gathered by u.s. officials. and he was briefed, presumably, by his top officials on what options are on the table. to be able to retaliate to this attack. he vowed to respond to it in a timely manner. during his visit to south carolina, he visited a banquet hall -- vowed to retaliate. listen to a bit of that here. when >> -- we lost three brave souls in the attack on one of our bases. i ask for a moment of silence for all new those fallen soldiers. and we shall respond.
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>> the big question now is what that response is going to look like. we can presume this is something that top officials are considering. definitely the ones we know briefed the president -- not just retaliatory, but also a deterrent. a deterrent for the same actors, potentially other actors, from trying to take advantage of this situation and trying to widen this conflict even further. whether that could be direct strikes by the u.s. on iran, something that republican lawmakers are already calling for, whether that could potentially be a call for a cease-fire, that's something that these iranian-backed militia groups have been calling for. that still unclear. but certainly, something that these top administration officials in the president -- >> ali rafah starting us off at the white house. thank you, ali. here with me to discuss the implications of this attack is --
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council on former relations. richard, great to see you as always. lots to unpack here. i want to just start with the notion that was laid out by the pentagon press secretary earlier this week. that the u.s. is not at war in the middle east. and that seems to run counter to what we have seen play out over the past 111 days since october 7th. the strikes that we're seeing, the attacks, the counterattacks. in your view, what is the current u.s. position and posture in the middle east right now? >> look, i would say i agree, we're not at war. we're obviously attacking the houthis in order to try to prevent or preempt attacks on shipping. we've now got to decide whether and how to respond to this. but i wouldn't call this war. i think what we're looking at is a number of discreet military interventions. indeed, ayman, i think one of the administrations helps us to avoid where, simply because of
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everything else we've got on our plate. >> when we consider the options that the president has, and you and i know the lay of the land in terms of the militias that are out there they may be -- iranian-backed. iran says it does not giving direct orders on how to operate. a, do you accept that these organizations, or do you believe these organizations operate with a little bit of operational autonomy from tehran, or do you think iran is directly linked in saying these are potential targets, and gives the green light for an attack of this nature? gives the gree>> look, at a minw that iran gets what you might call strategic support to all these groups. hezbollah, hamas, these groups that issue here, the houthis. i expect there's a massive intelligence effort to find out whether iran was involved tactically. and in any way directing are ordering this particular strike. because i think that would influence the nature of any american response. >> some are not waiting for
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that, as you've probably seen. republican lawmakers on the hill saying iran should be attacked directly, targeted directly. they're trying to go after these militias are any of these groups that are operating in the region would not be a deterrent. and it would certainly not be enough officially of force. what are the realistic options right now, if we are, as the press secretary was saying, we tried to de-escalate tensions, trying to avoid a wider war, but also compelled to respond to the killing of our service members? >> we are compelled to d. three americans were killed, dozens were injured. this took place in jordan. that in and of itself isa major escalation. -- well sorts of concerns with our friends. i would think, oh, to go against iran raises big questions. as we were just talking about. there's the question of whether or not iran was specifically involved with this. also, that's a big undertaking. the entire strategic drift, if
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you will, of the united states in recent years has been to dial down our involvement in the middle east to go against iran, where -- dial that up. we are provided munitions in arms to israel, obviously there's the issue of ukraine. we trying to increase our deterrent in defense capabilities in the indo-pacific against china. sort of go to war against iran -- not something we ought to do lightly. strategically, it raises all sorts of questions for us. i think what makes sense initially is to go against the groups involved with this, we hit them hard, and perhaps sense of messages to iran that going forward, we will hold them accountable for what these groups do. >> i'll ask you as a former diplomat. do you think that we are not engaged diplomatically enough in trying to resolve this? another words, let me ask you like this. do you think the president of this administration has boxed itself in by car -- not coming out and calling for a cease-fire, we're not putting
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more pressure on trying to end the israel-hamas war, and now it's metastasized into these other smaller level conflicts, but if you come out now, and call for a cease-fire, you almost giving a little bit of a victory to the houthis in these militants who are saying we've been telling you to ask for a cease-fire earlier on? >> as you know, i've been somewhat critical of what the administration has not been doing. and i think we ought to be more forceful. and trying to end major military operations, shaping military israeli policy, so forth. but we're kidding ourselves -- directly associated with what's going on in gaza. i think the iranians in these other groups are really interested not and helping the palestinians. it's not something they've done a lot of historically. i think they're interested and pushing the united states out of the middle east. getting a side of iraq, getting inside of syria. so it's quite possible this would've happened regardless, or unrelated, to what's happening in gaza. so i wouldn't necessarily linked to in any direct sort of
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way. >> you don't think they're trying to make it costly for you guys to continue on the same course? i share your opinion that it may not be direct to the way, but they're saying it's expressly direct to the way. they weren't doing it before the war. >> now. but also, they may be using this as simply -- trying to push the united states out of the middle east, which is been a long term goal. and -- if we made progress, as you and i both want, in calming down the war in gaza, that wouldn't necessarily lead to a calming of the situation here with the houthis or with his ball or anybody else. >> does this, in any way shape or form, complicate or make more difficult for the u.s. what it is trying to do with israel in gaza? >> question. i don't think so. i think that's largely on its own dynamic. it's got things that we ought to be pressing for. but what this shows, i think, right now, is the middle east has got any number of fault
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lines. we've got gaza, we've got lebanon, we've got the houthis, we've got the west bank. now, we've got this. so even if we can make some progress on one, i don't assume it necessarily means it'll lead to progress on the others. it's one of the reasons it's so hard for the united states to reduce its exposure in this part of the world, even though that's exactly what we've been trying to do strategically for years now. >> all right, richard haass, always a pleasure, sir. thank you for making time for us tonight. >> thank, you ayman. >> i should the u.s. respond to today's attack? we're gonna ask congressman garcia about that. roll also get his take on the brewing frustrations that republicans have over james comer and his baseless biden impeachment inquiry when we come back. ack. ack. all have in common? they all got this season's updated covid-19 shot to help better protect them against recent variants. got it? ♪♪
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tonight. three as troops in jordan have been killed in so the -- president biden said the troops
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were killed by, quote, radical iranian-backed militant groups operating in syria and iraq. u.s. lawmakers including senators lindsey graham and john corman are calling on the president to take action directly against iran. with us now, congressman robert garcia of -- he's a member of the house homeland security committee. congressman, it's great to have you with us. first, let me get your reaction to this deadly attack on u.s. soldier inside jordan. we understand how you think that changes the dynamic of what's unfolding across the middle east this evening. >> first of all, our heart goes out to the eye service member families and the injured. i agree it's a horrific tragedy. nobody wants an escalation of what's happening in the middle east and in the wire. and i think i agree, just like with the houthi strike that happened, we responded appropriately. i think there will be an appropriate response by the president. i think some of the rhetoric come out out of the extreme
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right, i think, is typically, is always expected, dangerous, and i think we need to be very measured and strategic in our response. i also think that this moment, where we're actually having a productive conversation and negotiation around a cease-fire as it relates to hostages in the region led by the united states, that's where our focus should be. >> given that you are a member of congress, should the president seek authorization for congress for any further operations in the middle east? we obviously did not get that for going after the houthis in yemen, that was described at the time as defensive in nature, and we did not request -- the nature of these operations expand from yemen, to iraq, to syria, to now, maybe as we're seeing, some are calling, it iran, should the administration seek authorization for what they're doing militarily in the middle east? >> look, i'm somebody that believes that it's always a positive and good thing for the
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president to seek any sort of authorization from congress. that's the way our system works, and the way it should work. i think the president also has to be strategic and take the information that he has on the ground, that often, sometimes, at that moment, we might not have in congress. so ensure that congresses well briefed, which we have been, and ensuring certainly that there is an escalation beyond where we're at today in the middle east, of course, i think the president should -- >> let me, if i can, turn to another drama that's unfolding in your chamr. this involves james comer, chair of the house oversight committee. -- republicans speaking to the messenger, including lawmakers, senior aides, and strategists, calling on camera, or calling cameras leadership, rather, in the biden impeachment inquiry, quote, cullison vesta geisha in, quote, disaster, and even, quote, a parade of embarrassments. is it safe to say that the honeymoon is over for james calmer and the gop will? >> i mean, it's been over for james comer and the maga
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extremists for a long time. not only is james comer incompetent. i have truly no idea what he's doing. his own witnesses and that being spies, and all their testimonies have been lies and incorrect. he has no confidence, obviously, not just of the democrats on the committee, but the republicans as well. and i think -- let's get to the facts of why that's the case. we know the reason why he has been a complete failure is because there actually is no evidence linking the president to hunter biden's business dealings. there is no kind of idea or any sort of argument to why you should impeach president biden. it's a sham impeachment process. democrats know this. republicans also know this, privately. so we've heard from numerous republicans, and i think that james comer has absolutely no idea what he's doing on that committee. and i'm proud to be part of a group of particularly freshman democrats that take it to james comer every single committee
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hearing. we do not allow him to spread his lies. and we should continue that approach. >> is this a result of your republican colleagues being too dependent on that right wing media bubble that they just live in, basically? just hearing this nonsense over and over, believing it, and when they go into the real world, they realize there's no evidence to back it up? >> i think that's right. look, first, james comer spends every minute of every day on fox news spreading lies and misinformation to his extremist base. he's at the point where he actually just believes all his own lies now. every single week, he puts forward some type of new committee hearing on a fake set of lies, or he brings forward witnesses that have really nothing to say or to add to this entire sham. we've just heard recently, he has tried -- friends of hunter biden's i somehow funneling him money. we know that's not true. he doesn't even want to hear hunter biden in the public
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setting kind of answer their questions. so republicans, and you're starting to see it now, and some of them are going public, have no confidence and james crumbley. we know that james comer is a liar and ineffective, but we also know he's trying to create something out of nothing. we have moved far beyond this impeachment. it's a complete political stunt. and this is all about helping donald trump. it's all about marjorie taylor greene, who one day one of president biden's presidency, was already submitting impeachment papers. she's on this committee. so she's driving this clown prior and this train. i'm just glad the american public are seeing that it's going nowhere. >> let me ask you about another part of this circus, if you will, and that is this attempt by the republicans to impeach secretary alejandro mayorkas. you have -- impeachment articles against mayorkas this morning. what comes next? what's your take on that? we're seeing something very dangerous play out on the border, and the republicans right now, instead of trying to
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address it and coming to the table and trying to get a bipartisan deal done on immigration, border security, they want to impeach the department of homeland security secretary. >> there's one thing these two impeachment inquiries have in common. they were both led by marjorie taylor greene. this was also her legislation that was moving this impeachment against secretary mayorkas forward. again, it's completely political. let's remember that we've actually proposed border solutions. the president has proposed a package months ago, actually, of support for the border. four agents. for technology. to helping the asylum process, actually be done in a way that's humane. but house republicans are not interested in any sort of solution. and we've heard, as you know, recently, donald trump has come out and said, i don't even want a border deal. i don't want more support for what's happening at the border. the border is a huge challenge. we have a huge crisis happening in other parts of the world, in
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south america, central america. we look at places like venezuela, we have migrants coming to this country. many of them are seeking support. they are fleeing horrific conditions in their own country. and we've got a treat the border and immigration in the way that is the main, and that is not the core of who we are as a country. that's not being done. now we have solutions, the president has proposed that, but donald trump wants nothing to do with them. i doubt we're gonna have any actions on congress on it. >> robert garcia, always a pleasure. thank you for making time for us tonight. is texas now openly and proudly defying the supreme and the federal government? more on the southern border standoff, straight ahead. dvisors. hey, david! ready to get started? work with advisors who create a plan with you, and help you find the right investments. so great getting to know you, let's take a look at your new investment plan. ok, great! this should have you moving in the right direction. thanks jen. get ongoing advice;
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that is, on monday, scotus ruled that the constitution permits federal border patrol agents to cut or remove a razor wire barrier that texas governor greg abbott had ordered erected along a stretch of the u.s. mexico border. it was a 5 to 4 decision that sochi justice john roberts, the george w. bush appointee and justice amy coney barrett, a trump appointee, side with the liberal judges on the bench. in response, republicans have doubled down. abbott issued a statement on wednesday claring that the federal govement has broken thecompact between the united states and stes. following that, 25 gop governors released a joint stemt of solidarity with abbott for stepping up to protect american citizens from historic levels of illegal migrants and terrorists entering our country. then, of course, donald trump got involved demanding that republican states send national guard troops down to texas hoping to start a confrontation
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with the federal agents. so far, ten states have obliged. and some gop figures are doing more than just deploying soldiers. but this week, oklahoma governor not only called on republicans to ignore the supreme court, but he openly mused about whether the situation could erupt into a civil war. joining me now are krish o'mara -- and texas state senator roland gutierrez. it's great to have you both with us. senator gutierrez, i'll start with you. your reaction to these escalating rhetoric about the violent threatening rhetoric coming from republican corners and lawmakers across this country we are getting this border dispute and the standoff between states and the federal government. >> ayman, it's just madness. we've got republicans like greg abbott -- [inaudible] it is --
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[inaudible] the dangerous part about it is that they have no care about humanity. the humanitarian crisis that they're causing. we have to fix what's going on at the border. and only congress can -- immigration reform for share. these guys are playing -- [inaudible] also with the soldiers that are at their. president biden -- [inaudible] we know the vast majority of them get the parted. let's be real here. these guys in this building behind me, these republicans are playing theater with our money and with ople's lives. >> chris, i wanted to remind viewers how this standoff began to escalate, and then i'll get your thoughts to. it was a couple weeks ago that texas authorities blocked to u.s. border patrol from accessg area along the u.s.mexico border near eagle pass, where three migrants,
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including two children, had died. they blocked the area off with fencing and razor wire, effectively denying access to federal border patrol agents who wanted to investigate those deaths. and it seems like the human side of this is getting lost here, because it's just the way the republicans are trying to portray it is it's about states rights and protecting our country from terrorists and immigrants, and the federal government was trying to understand why three migrants coming into america died. >> that's exactly right. i think it's important to understand that these are families that are fleeing the worst of circumstances, and what we're seeing at the texas border at a result of governor abbott's actions is chaos. as a lawyer, i'm deeply troubled by the rhetoric and policies that seem to be a throwback to secession and the civil wire. the fact that --
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a compact, and supreme court rulings are discretionary, and using language like invasion -- this rhetoric is behind some mass shootings, including in texas. so i think our political leaders need to be quite serious in understanding the ramifications of the language they use. >> we're not trying to be hyperbolic here, senator, but this is a situation that could escalate. what do you make of calls from some of your democratic colleagues for biden to federalize the national guard as a way to really impose on the states the supreme court decision? do you think that would escalate the situation? or what do you think is the right approach by the president right now? >> well,, let's be clear -- the vast majority of the texas border is just fine. for whatever reason, this
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theatrical show has taken place, this movie set is taking place down there in this city. sadly, we absolutely do need to federalize the national guard so that we can move these jokers that don't know what they're doing, don't know anything about immigration policy, let the national guard safeguard those people and process them. we know the vast majority of them will be deported, but let's treat them in a humanitarian way. it's not just three deaths, amen. we've had death upon death upon death. this governor and this lieutenant governor, and ted cruz, and others like them, they don't care about humanity. they don't care about people. you heard this governor say two weeks ago that he would shoot them in the water if you could get away with it. that's what we're dealing with. this kind of madness. >> krish, from a legal perspective, the comparison i heard from the show last night is the federal government should approach this with the same kind of mindset during the civil rights era when schools
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in the south and governors in the south refused to desegregate schools despite the brand versus board of education decision. legally speaking, do you see a similarity there? should that be approach that the administration takes enforcing or nationalizing or federalizing the national guard in order to impose its will on the immigration issue in this part of the border, eagle pass? >> look. the arguments that governor abbott is making our ones that he can make in court. but the idea of preventing border patrol agents to reach the federal soil to, you know, assist migrants who are in distress, to enforce federal immigration law, you know, that is clearly something that is the jurisdiction of the president. and so, it is worrisome that what we are hearing from governor abbott, and then echoed by some republican governors, is a kind of
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language that we heard, you know, before the civil war. and americans don't want to go down that road. what they want is a solution at the border. that's why we're hopeful that there is a bipartisan agreement as negotiations continue in congress. >> senator, speaking of solutions for the border, bipartisan ones, i'm curious to get if not as a democrat. do you think democrats keep getting played here by the republicans? what i mean by that is, there are willing to negotiate with republicans on a good faith bipartisan border security deal, and they tied that directly to the aid package for ukraine. the republicans strong them along, and then donald trump came out and said i don't want to do this, and suddenly, mitch mcconnell seems to be pouring cold water on any kind of deal on capitol hill to fund border security to solve this issue. do you think the democrats are falling into the trap of what republicans want to do here with this issue? that they're not being serious about it, not negotiating in good faith? >> absolutely, ayman.
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at the end of the day, a cut a deal at any point, but i'll push it to the brink. democrats -- 100% citizenship for 1 million dreamers. they need to demand residency for the 12 million migrants that have been here for 20 years that are supporting our economy. they need to button and comprehensive -- nonsensical waste of money on border security. you can build a 20 foot wall, and people will go over hidden under it. at the end of the day, the only thing that's gonna secure our borders as comprehensive immigration reform. and democrats need to push for the minimum. >> i, state senator roland gutierrez, and crash vignarajah, greatly appreciate your time and your insights this evening. >> thank you so much. >> after this break, a father's quest for accountability after his teenage son, a palestinian american, was killed in the occupied west bank. by whom? that's next. that's next.
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teenager was shot to death in the occupied west bank last friday, and, now his family is looking for answers. 17-year-old -- grewp in new orleans and moved to his ancestral homeland with his family lastmay for his senior year of high school. his father told nbc news that incident on it for a picnic with friends when he was shot by a person witnesses say
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appeared to be in the israelis then, another individual opened fire who wasallegedly wearing a unifor for the israeli military. and the israeli military said it received a reportinvolving a, quote, off-duty police officer and the civilian who fired towards a palestinian individual suspected of hurling rocks in the area. they confirmed an idf soldier was also in the area and said it was investigating a claim that the soldier fired at the palestinian. with the world's attention focused on the growing death toll in gaza, targeted killings and violence in the west bank have also spikedto unprecedented levels. according to the united nations, as of january 19th, 358 palestinians have been killed, including 91 children, across the west bank since october 7th. joining me now is tawfic's father. thank you so much for joining us. first of, all i'm so sorry for the loss of your son. i know it must be extremely difficult. but i want our viewers to know
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a little bit about your son. i know he loved the outdoors, i know he wanted to study engineering in college. i know one of his former teachers called him a giant teddy bear, because he was a pretty big teenager. what can you tell us about your son? >> thank you for having me on the show to tell tawfic's story to the whole world. hopefully i can change their point of view of what's going on here in palestine. tawfic, like i said, the story so many times already, tawfic, just like his teachers said, big fluffy tell you bear, big heart, loves the outdoors. he does not like to be tied down to anything. he loves to spend time with his friends. outgoing person. speaks funny, he's a funny person, fun to be around. fun to be around.
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he's no longer here because they took his life away from him. they decided to execute him, blunt plea, just to kill somebody. they killed him for nothing, for no reason. >> what is your understanding of what is happened based on what you've been able to gather, what you've heard? what questions do you still have unanswered? we're about how he was killed? >> my question is who killed my son, and why? why did you kill him? why did you shoot him twice? they shot the car ten times. there's ten bullet holes in the car. from behind. directly from behind, as he was leaving, going towards the village. he was not posing a threat to anybody. we didn't threaten anybody. he wasn't a threat to anybody.
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he was simply driving away from anything that could be a harm to anybody. so they just simply -- the car has ten bullets. it's execution style. there's two bullets. i shared the videos and the pictures of the car. there's two bullets through the passenger seat, two bullets to the driver. thankfully, his friend is a miami born baby. he's 16 years old. he was dodging bullets, and the car flipped four times, came to a halt. so he came out of the car, started running towards the village to get help. i mean, whoever killed him is just a simple -- they love to kill people. that's how it is. it's a regime that us, as a western world, as americans, as -- we are supporting a regime that
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is just hungry for blood, man. there's no other explanation. i don't know what to say. i need my government, i need mister president biden, the secretary of state, i need some answers. why did they kill my son? why, why? >> so speaking of the american government and the answers and questions that are trying to get answered -- what communication have you had with the state department where the embassy? what are they telling you about trying to answer these questions and accountability for the killing of your son? >> well, i'm trying to reach all the senators, and anybody that can give me some answers. i still haven't gotten in touch with anyone yet. the senator of maryland, his assistant called, and they took some papers and notes from me. but as far as officials, the
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consulate here in jerusalem contacted me almost every day to check on this. but as far as answers, they have not given us any answers. i just want to tell anybody, i just hope the new generation of united states -- as an american, and i speak and i hope everybody here is me, i hope we change our point of view the way we look at life. because they fetus this -- defeat us what they want to feed us as a government. and i think we are lost. we are losing humanity with it. you understand? supporting governments like that, and us blindly supporting it with our government, i think it's wrong. it just needs to stop. >> let me ask you, if i can, because you mentioned that you had moved back to the west bank, in your son's senior year. you wanted him to get to know his ancestral homeland, and get to know his relatives, and
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where his parents and family came from. has this tragedy changed your desire to stay there? have you made any decisions whether or not you want to come back to the u.s. where you want to continue staying in the occupied west bank? >> it can't change. i won't change my mind. neither my wife or my other kids. i have five kids. the eldest is 21. then i have four more. two boys, two girls. they cannot change my mind, because like i said -- might go back to 1870, the same house that the great grandfather was born in 1870. married twice, his first wife died, he married again, had my grandfather in 1904, than my father in 1948, than me in 1982. so my roots go back to the same house where i'm from, all the way back to 1870. my son is gone, they can't
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bring him bat. but that doesn't mean i'm gonna we leave here. i came here to spend a couple years to show my children, and tawfic wasn't even supposed to be -- he insisted to come. i told, him stay with your older brother, you've got college coming up, you've got your last, year stay here with your uncles in the u.s.. -- two younger sisters and your younger brother, he insisted to come. my wife, she said, i want him to come. i want him to see how life is here. he insisted to come. he loved it, every day. every day -- my thing was, a couple of years. but the way tawfic was living, he was gonna live here more. because he was loving it. every day. >> let me ask you, if i can, finally, and i know this is obviously a very difficult time for you and your family, but you know, what do you want americans who are watching this
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or seen this to know about what life is like in the occupied west bank? what you're experiencing day in and day at? beyond just this tragedy? >> what i can tell the americans as, and i tell my american friends before this happened, i keep getting phone calls, stay safe, stay this -- i can tell them this isn't occupied land. since 1948. it's not only gaza. like you said on tv. and you see on tv. over 350 -- 400 people got killed since october seven here in the west bank other than the gaza strip. but this part of the country, palestine has been occupied since 1948. -- if sometimes it takes me three hours to get there. they stop you at checkpoints. they make you come out of the car. they humiliate you in front of your wife and your kids. they make you take your shirt off. take your phone, check your phone.
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they killed children with no remorse. 14 and 15 years old, with bullet holes to their heads from snipers. it's an occupied land, and i can tell the american people, i have the whole world, not the american people -- i hate when they call it a conflict. this is not a conflict. this is an apartheid state that they occupied in this part of the country since 1948, and since then, it's been so many killings. over 500 cities from 1940 -- 500 villages were wiped out. they were no more. i can give you the names of the cities. so, i hope this occupation ends one day. i want the american people, to wake up to understand what's really going on here. >> hafeth, i appreciate your
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time. i'm so sorry for your loss. i hope you get all the answers that you're seeking for your son's killing. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >> after this break, we have to talk about what just happened in utah. season 's updated covid-19 shot too. when you shop wayfair, 's you get big deals for up your home - every day.. so big, we'll have you saying... am i a big deal? yeah you are, because it's a big deal, when you get a big deal. wayfair deals so big that you might get a big head. because with savings so real - you can get your dream sofa for half the price. wayfair. it's always a big deal. ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪ i've never been healthier. shingles doesn't care. but shingrix protects. proven over 90% effective, shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older.
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friday, the legislator passed you'd be 61 -- diversity programs across public schools and government, and to be clear, under this law, universities and government agencies will not be allowed to have offices dedicated to promoting diversity. employees are also not required to submit statements saying they are committed to dei efforts. for those who don't know, dei stands for diversity, equity, and inclusion. utah lawmakers also passed hb to 57 bearing transgender people from using bathrooms that correspond with their gender identities in schools and other government buildings. it also specifies that states definition of male and female as based solely on genitalia, not on identity. if the bill is enacted, it becomes the 13th in the country to limit changed peoples abilities to use public facilities according to the movement advancement project. for utah, slowly, this bill marks the third consecutive year that lawmakers tried legislating this civil liberties of its trans citizens. governor cox has not publicly
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