accountable for the attack, and what, like, response would be retaliation against this attack. >> so as you can appreciate, i'm not going to forecast what our response looks like, but of course we hold iran responsible as they are supporting these groups. these groups that continue to inflict casualties on tour forces, whether it be in jordan, iraq or syria, we hold iran responsible because they fund and train and support and equip these militias that operate in iraq and syria. >> thank you. there is the position of the department that iran is responsible for the attack that killed three u.s. soldiers in northeast jordan. >> iran bears responsibility because it funds these groups that operate in iraq and syria that launch attacks on our

service members. >> i understand that. but this attack led to the death of three service members. is iran responsible for the death of these three service members that you just read their names and their families have been notified of their deaths. >> yeah. again, iran certainly bears a responsibility as they fund these a groups that continue to use capabilities that they get from iran. and of course killed three of our service members. >> can i take just a step back. >> sure. >> and just looking at last week, maybe from saturday of last week or sunday maybe, nine days. the u.s. launched strikes in syria, in iraq, against houthi positions, inside yemen with the aim of reestablishing deterrence and degrade their capabilities of whether attacking u.s. forces

or shipping in the red sea, nonetheless throughout those days what we saw is unprecedented escalation. started with ballistic missiles, was targeted with a drone, more u.s. soldiers were injured, the houthis went after a british ship, after a u.s. ship. it seems to -- does the pentagon think its approach to deterrence is firing back, is it successful. would you say it's successful, especially when three soldiers were killed. >> well, i mean, we are assessing what happened yesterday, and we are trying to figure out how a one-way attack drone was able to evade air defenses, and was able to kill three of our service members, and injured dozens more. to your question on deterrence, i can continue to say we don't seek war. we don't seek further conflict. we don't want to see this widen out into a regional conflict. we will do whatever we need to

to protect u.s. forces and coalition partners and innocent mariners in the red sea. we believe that we have been effective in degrading their capabilities, and disrupting their ability to launch certain attacks but the reality is yesterday unfortunately they were successful. and they killed three of our service members, and that is an absolute tragedy. i'm going to go to the phones, and i'll come back in the room. lars seligman, "politico." >> thanks, i have a couple of questions. can you say whether there have been decisions made to send in air defenses or other forces to the region to beef up some of the counter uas capability here? >> i'm just not going to get ahead of any decisions that are going to be made and certainly wouldn't preview the repositioning of any air defenses. >> do we have significant counter drone capability in the region to account for all the different bases that have come under attack recently? >> yeah, thanks, laura.

i mean, again, we have seen repeated attacks on u.s. service members in iraq and syria, and a moisture of the time our air defenses have been incredibly successful, and you have only seen minor damage to infrastructure and some injuries. which we take seriously. our air defenses have been robust and successful for the most part. one more from the phone. heather, unsi. >> thank you so much. the houthi leadership -- good to be with you, i'm katy tur. we're going to keep on watching this pentagon press briefing. this is the moment that the administration has been fearing. three american soldiers are dead, more than 40 are injured, and iran looks to be behind it. sergeant william jerone rivers, a 46-year-old, specialist kennedy sander, 24 years old of wake cross, georgia, and specialist brianna alexandria

mofette, 23 years old of savannah, georgia. the question now is what will president biden do about their deaths. a moment ago, the pentagon's sabrina spring who you see speaking right now repeated what john kirby also told reporters, the white house is not looking for a war with iran. what exactly does that mean? does it preclude an american strike on the country itself? republicans in washington are calling for that. or is it a targeted strike on iranian forces operating somewhere else in the middle east. some national security analysts favor that. what seems to be clear is that something different needs to be done because what president biden has ordered so far, striking houthi rebels in yemen and other iranian proxies in iraq hasn't yet been a deterrent. joining us now, democratic senator, mark warner, who represents the state of virginia, a chairman of the intelligence committee. senator, thank you very much. what should happen now?

. >> first of all, let me express as others have, condolences to the three american service members who lost their lives and literally close to 40 that are wounded. i think it is extraordinarily important that the united states responds. most responsible members are not going to get ahead of the president on how and where he responds. this is obviously something we have been trying to avoid, a widening of the war that already exists in gaza, but we have made clear to iran and its proxies that the if you had american service members killed, there would be a different level of response, and there needs to be. >> does that focus on targeting members of the iranian military who are operating outside of iran. >> i'm not going to take any of these options off the table.

that would be up to the president. it needs to be a forceful response. it needs to go beyond what we have done to date. >> striking iran itself, how big of a risk is that? >> well, i remember some of the very same voices who were calling the loudest today for a strike inside of iran. i would simply ask them to recall the fact that there were a couple of times when president trump, the one time i was literally in a meeting where he indicated he was going to strike and thought about it a little more and did not strike inside of iran because of concerns of greater escalation. the leadership in iran are bad guys. they have supported these proxy militias around the region, they have supported hamas. so how you hit that point of sending that much stronger response then we've seen to date, but not escalating into a

direct war is where the administration has balance. >> there was reporting that there may have been indications that iran was trying to reign in some of its proxies. have you seen any intelligence indicating that or any reason to believe that was true? >> i'm obviously not going to comment on any intelligence but i will tell you, as somebody who was just in the region recently, the one thing about the houthis that came clear was, you know, they're not very good at governing, but they are pretty darn good at fighting, and frankly, the houthi leadership thinks of themselves as higher in the hierarchy than the supreme leader of iran. this was a group that the iraniansave supported, but whethe they control them, there was not a lot of sense in the region itself that they had too much direct control over the houthis. >> who was behind this drone attack? is there a clear idea? >> i think there is some speculation. again, i'm going to let the

administration make that announcement when the intelligence is verified. >> as you were just mentioning about the houthis, believing they were higher than the supreme leader. any reason to believe that some of these proxies might be working now independently of iran? doing their own bidding? >> well, i think, ain, there's this gray zone where, again, as you see out of teheran, officials trying to claim deniability, you know, one of the questions that we've got to get answered and this has been in the public reporting, so i can make a brief comment. did this drone in coming behind an american drone, was that by luck and consequently our anti-drone capabilities didn't take it out or was this a new tactic by this group. even if it wasn't a new tactic, does the fact that this is now into the public domain by some of the reporting mean that it's

something we have to guard against going forward. >> there's reporting flt military times and "wall street journal" that one of the reasons the drone was not shot down is because it might have been mistaken for an american drone. as you're saying, there was an american drone in the air, and this could potentially be a new tactic. that's a scary tactic. that would mean a recalibration of quite a few things in the region. >> we are seeing realtime in the middle east and in certain ways, more in the ukraine, russia conflict, a complete redefinition of how you fight conflicts, and the power of drones. i can tell you in ukraine-russia conflict, it is absolutely remarkable, estimates close to 50% of the destruction of tanks and armored personnel carrier have been done by drones.

technology changes and that. not to go all nerdy on you as a former wireless guy, this goes into questions of how we do spectrum management this this country as we we think about protecting the homeland. we're seeing the challenges of modern warfare evolve in realtime. >> can i nail you down on one thing. do you think more needs to be done now? the united states military has been targeted houthis and their bases in yemen, trying to get them to back down. they have not. we have targeted rebels in iraq. iraq has gotten upset about us doing that in what they call their sovereign territory. is there another further step the administration has to take? >> i think the administration has been very clear that death of american soldiers will not go unanswered, and i believe those

steps need to be more robust than what we have seen to date. >> i know we have not declared war. are we at war, though, is the region at war with us? >> there are groups, many sponsored by teheran, who have been in a multi-year effort to try to undermine american influence in the region. that is not something new, but clearly since october 7th, both the level of attacks against our forces, and frankly, against international shipping when you look at the situation in the red sea have dramatically escalated. >> does the conflict in gaza need to wind down to cool things off? >> i think one of the best pieces of news that came out of this weekend was what appears to be at least some progress on the hostage negotiations. getting some of those folks, including american citizens back out of gaza that would cut back on the level of violence in gaza. obviously israel has the right

to try to eliminate the hamas leadership. we also need to recognize that 25,000 gazans, palestinians killed, that that inflames tensions all over the region, their ability, israel's ability to maintain any of the accords from the abraham accords, much valued over the last few years is not going to happen until that conflict in gaza subsides, and until there's a future for the palestinian people. >> i have a little bit of breaking news from andrea mitchell. american officials in paris have reached a unified position on a framework for a deal that would enact a 60-day pause in hostilities. the framework is being presented today to hamas in egypt. the source added earlier israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's office said no final deal has been agreed upon. a combination of egyptian and qatari proposals would include

no bombardment by israel, no rocket fire from hamas and the redeployment of israeli forces away from the southern city of khan younis, the details of the redeployment need to be negotiated, the source add. do the parameters of this, does the outline of this sound right to you? >> a couple of things, one, i was recently in israel with a bipartisan group of senators from the intelligence committee. we met with the israeli families and the american families who have had their loved ones held hostage. this is, you know, breaking apart the heart of the people of israel, so getting those hostages back is obviously a great step in the right direction. having this pause, i think, is important in terms of the palestinians in gaza, and trying to figure out how we get safely in, more humanitarian aid is important. and again, you just read a

report. i do want to say, if this proves to be true, bill burns, who is the cia director, who's been the american leader in that negotiation i think deserves a lot of credit. >> and just to add a little bit in the first 60 days, each civilian hostage, women first, would be released in exchange for three palestinian prisoners. israel will allow two qatari field hospitals waiting in egypt to be set up inside gaza and much more humanitarian aid. senator warner, thank you very much for joining us today. and for your time. joining us now courtney kube and "the new york times" chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst, peter baker, thanks for being with us. we got a little more information, 40 service members injured. we got the names of the three service members who died. two young specialists and one older sergeant, a 46-year-old, what more can you tell us about

them? >> reporter: they all were from georgia. they deployed out of georgia, and they were part of an engineering unit. we don't know a whole lot. we got their names moments ago. we're trying to find out specific information about them. we know this was a small remote outpost where they were killed. it was a combination of army and air force there. many of them supporting the base just across the way, the u.s. military with logistic support. there was an element there who were responsible for training and advising the jordanian military. we're still working on exactly what they were doing there with this engineering unit. this was a small outpost as i mentioned right on the northeastern corner of syria. what we have been learned, there have been 160 attacks against bases with americans since mid-october. this one was very successful. at least 40 individuals wounded. the three who were killed. and it seems it's the details of how this happened are starting to develop. number one, this was a one way

attack drone packed with explosives and it landed near an area where troops were sleeping. it was able to evade the air defenses on t be there's still several theories how that happened. u.s. officials said they have not decided which one is responsible. they're looking at the possibility there was another u.s. drone that was nearby or coming in at the same time. the air defense systems may have mistaken the enemy drone for a u.s. drone, and that's why it wasn't stopped. it also came in at a very low altitude, and they may have been one of the reasons it was able to make its way through and successfully attack the base causing all of these casualties. we also learned a little bit more about some of the individuals who had to be medevaced from baghdad, who had some form of traumatic brain injury, and have returned to indict. there were three individuals who had physical injuries that were severe enough to be moved on.

a deadly and really significant attack because of what it could mean for the region. this is really what the biden administration and the pentagon have been dreading for months now. that one of the deaths would be successful causing deaths and massive injuries among u.s. service members. >> you wrote about that just today. do we know a little bit more about what president biden is considering right now? >> yeah, look, one of the things he's considering obviously is whether or not to go beyond what he has done before. senator warner just told you even democrats want him to do something more robust than the responses he has taken to date. he hasn't taken a particularly aggressive response to many of the 160 attacks courtney talked about in part because most weren't successful. most of them were defeated by air defenses. they didn't do a lot of damage or had relatively minor injuries. the deaths of the three service members changes the calculus.

he's looking at whether or not to go after not just the proxies, but whether to go after iranian targets themselves, particularly sensitive would be the iranian targets inside of iran, whether it might be intelligence facilities, weapons facilities, whether it might be some of a cyber kind of attack. the are the kinds of things that experts say would be on the president's options list at this point. now, he has been very clear, he doesn't want to escalate to the point that we end up in a full-fledged all out regional war. that has been his number one priority since the october 7th terrorist attack by hamas. looking for what one expert said, a goldilocks solution, not too hard, it provokes an all out conflict. he's trying to look at the factors on the ground in the middle east. >> what do they consider when it comes to iran? iran is relatively close to

nuclear capability. i forgot what the exact time line is but maybe it's 60 days before they're nuclear capable. what sort of other worries does this administration have about iran's ability to attack back? >> iran's ability to attack back, not likely to be nuclear in the near term. they could ratchet up their program and build nuclear weapons and as a medium to long-term threat, not just to the united states and its allies but obviously in particular israel, but they also could ratchet up the attacks by their proxies as well. remember, hezbollah is in lebanon with i think 100,000 rockets available to them to fire into northern israel. right now, the americans are in the process of trying to negotiate some sort of a step back kind of deal with hezbollah to move back from the border with israel so there's less of a chance of an escalation on the border. if suddenly that turns around in

the opposite direction, that complicates things and creates a great deal of threat for israel as well as potentially for american forces in the region. there's a lot of potential damage iran could do directly through its own forces and these proxies it has been backing and supplying and arming for years. >> the estimates are they would be able to build a weapon in two months. peter baker, courtney kube, thank you so much for joining us. >> and israeli, qatari and egyptian officials have reached a framework of a deal with a 60 day pause in hostilities in the gaza. the framework is being presented today to hamas, and egypt. this afternoon, our own andrea mitchell asked the qatari prime minister who was in d.c. if hamas would accept the proposal. >> i don't know whether did you get all of these details on the proposals and the framework, but

i can say well informed. we have, i think, yesterday was good progress made to get things back in shape for the way forward. we cannot say that this makes us in better shape very soon, but we are hoping to get them to a place where they engage positively and constructively. >> joining us now from tel aviv, nbc news foreign correspondent, raf sanchez. i know it's pretty late there. how is this news going over? >> reporter: katy, the israeli war cabinet is meeting tonight. we expect that they are talking about the details of this proposal just reported by andrea mitchell. prime minister netanyahu is the head of an unwieldy coalition government that includes members of the far right who are very

skeptical of cease fires to get hostages out. this may be a hard political sell within the israeli government. as you said, this is a framework that has been agreed to by israeli negotiators at that summit in paris over the weekend involving the qataris, involving the egyptians and involving cia director bill burns. of the details that andrea mitchell is reporting, one of the key ones is this involving a 60-day pause in the fighting. that's notable. the cease fire in november was four days long in the initial term, and then it was extended to seven days. what we are talking about here is a much, much more ambitious proposal, a much longer pause in the fighting but it is just a pause, and hamas has consistently said for weeks now, they are done with pauses in the fighting. they are not going to release any more hostages when the war

comes to an end. when this proposal is being presented to them in egypt today, tonight, possibly as we speak, that is going to be one of the potential key hurdles, can hamas accept a 60 day cease fire, temporary cease fair. also interesting, this proposal suggests that israeli forces will pull away from khan younis. hundreds of thousands of palestinian civilian displaced from their homes in the north fled south to khan younis seeking shelter, seeking safety. they are not finding it right now with israeli forces fighting street by street in the city. fighting raging around one of the main hospitals there. as we have talked about, counter intuitively, the fact that the fighting is so tense, potentially a sign that a cease fair is near and that israeli forces want to make as much progress on the battlefield as they possibly can before the

guns go silent. this deal would also include a three-to-one ratio in terms three palestinian prisoners released for every israeli hostage released from gaza. we expect it would involve women being released for women but it gets much more complicated as the deal moves further as we get to israeli male soldiers being released. israel potentially would have to release palestinian combatants, some of whom might have very serious convictions for terrorism. some might have convictions for murder. and again, katy, that may be a very very difficult sell for prime minister netanyahu and the far right ministers who sit around his cabinet table. >> we talked about the accusations from a number of u.n. employees that they were involved in october 7th, the israelis have released a little bit more detail of what they say they did. can you help us understand what they are accusing these men of

doing? >> reporter: we obtained a security dossier, it lays out the allegations. it does not lay out the evidence that under pins them. the u.s. and other countries taking it seriously enough they cut off funding in the middle of the dire humanitarian crisis in gaza. one school counselor is alleged to have crossed over to israel, along with his son, kidnapped a female hostage. another man is alleged to have taken the body of an israeli soldier back into gaza where it's still being held. the u.n. says these are serious allegations. they're taking them seriously. but the world cannot afford to leave them in limbo. >> the u.n. is taking it seriously. they have fired a number of these men who have been accused, not all of them, but a number of them. they are also still begging for the return of that aid saying it is as you said, desperately needed.

raf sanchez, thank you. joining us now, former israeli consular general, elon pinkas, what do you think of this deal? >> i'm all for the deal, based on the contours and details that have been divulged, i hope it happens. let me be a party pooper for a second. if the deal goes as is described meaning a release of hostages in exchange for two months of cessation of hostilities or a cease fire, this de facto means the end of the war. if it also includes an israeli realignment of forces or retreat of forces, this is de facto the end of the war. i am not sure, katy, that mr.

netanyahu can deliver this in terms of his government coalition. i'm not sure he wants to. as promising as it is. and as optimistic as the qatari prime minister was with andrea mitchell, by the way, parren -- parenthetically before his interview with andrea mitchell, he had a lengthy meeting with members of families of israelis being held hostage they were nothing but astounded by his level of understanding and willingness to cooperate, close parentheses, so, you know, i honestly don't see the deal happening at this point. i see a few days. >> the israeli negotiators have to agree to this. someone has to give the authority to do so.

could they have possibly said yes to this without the blessing of the prime minister? >> no, but the prime minister has a record of retracting on things he said. he has a very rich and diverse record of going back on his pledges and promises. i can see a scenario, and again, i truly hope, katy, that i'm wrong and this deal will progress. but i can see a scenario in which once the are being brought to the cabinet and the prime minister is afraid that he will lose a vote, he then toughens up his position and says that hamas's demands are unacceptable and the war must go on. look at his statements in the last two, three days, we will continue on fighting. we will not stop until a total and comprehensive victory. i have to tell you, again, i

hope i'm wrong, katy, i can't see him accept a lengthy cease fire, which again, effectively de facto means the end of the war. >> ambassador elon pinkas, all do respect, i hope you're wrong too. it would be nice to see the hostages come home, nice to see more aid get to those in need in gaza. thank you for joining us, appreciate it. coming up, the fight for workers, president biden has already won the endorsement of the uaw, are the teamsters next? first, blame it on me. what donald trump just said about border negotiations. t rdb. with powerful, easy-to-use tools, power e*trade makes complex trading easier.

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the deal to secure the southern border is in trouble. republicans and democrats on capitol hill want progress but there are quite a few republicans focused on donald trump instead. donald trump, who while

campaigning about what a crisis it is at the border also says he doesn't want the deal to address said crisis. customs and border patrol reported more than 300,000 encounters with southwest border migrants last month, the highest number of crossings ever recorded. joining us from eagle pass, texas, is nbc news correspondent guad venegas. also with us, nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. guad, what are you seeing down there? >> reporter: we saw the numbers from customs and border protection. we have had this 50% decrease since december in the month of january, the first two weeks we saw that decrease. so there's a few things we have to keep in mind, by the way, it's really loud right now because one of the boats, one of the airboats used by state authorities is going into the water. i'm in front of the boat ramp that has been the center of controversy here in shelby park and the epicenter of the search that we had in december because state authorities took over the park, they weren't allowing

border patrol to come into the park. we should say border patrol is being allowed to use the boat ramp to patrol the river. what has changed dramatically is of course the number of migrants arriving. we no longer have the surge. for many reasons. in late december, dhs secretary mayorkas and secretary of state blinken went to mexico and met with the president and mexican authorities to discuss how to slow down the number of migrants arriving. one of the things mexico has done since then is increase their patrolling in mexico, enforcing their immigration laws. we have reports from our colleagues in mexico from telemundo, telling us that a lot of migrants that were in the border cities have been sent to other parts of mexico. so we've got a lot more enforcement happening right now in mexico, slowing down the number of migrants that were arriving and as we have been here all day, we have seen two small groups of migrants cross the river into texas. we don't have, again, that

surge. while we also have this dispute between who should be patrolling the border here. we have had texas state with the operation using their state troopers to patrol this area, and other parts of texas. and border patrol that also has a presence here, having to stay away from areas like this park because the state has taken over. the national guard is also helping the state troopers, putting up that razor wire that has been controversial, katy. the supreme court just a few days ruled that border patrol agents are allowed to cut or move that razor wire. even after that, the state has kept putting up more of that razor wire in the area, so different battles taking place as, again, the number of migrants arriving is much smaller than what we saw in december. >> that's what we're seeing on the ground. let's talk about what's happening on capitol hill.

there's a bipartisan framework that could be presented soon, ryan, but there's now some opposition to it based on what donald trump wants. here's what donald trump is saying about a border deal. >> we cannot let this happen to our country. as the leader of our party, there is zero chance i will support this horrible open borders betrayal of america. it's not going to happen. and i'll find it. i noticed a lot of the senators, a lot of the senators with trying to say, respectfully, they're blaming me. that's okay, please blame it on me. please, because they were getting ready to pass a very bad bill. >> is this bill that's in front of or that's being presented an open borders deal as he described it, ryan? >> reporter: i don't think anybody would describe it as such, katy. in fact, there's a good chance it's going to lose democratic votes because it's coming together as what many are

describing as the most conservative immigration package in perhaps 40 years. but what's interesting about all of this is that donald trump is responding to something that he doesn't even really know about because we have not seen the specifics of this deal, and probably won't come out until tomorrow or the day after. he has pre-judged this process before it's played out. there is no doubt that is having an impact on the deliberations, the house speaker mike johnson in the last few minutes putting out a statement via x where he made it clear they're not going to support a package that allows for even one undocumented migrant to cross over the border much less a package that could have anywhere between 3 to 5,000 migrants cross the depending on which version of the bill emerges. there is a huge uphill battle for this bill to get passed. it needs 60 votes in the senate. it needs the ability of the house speaker to actually put it on the house floor, something that he has not indicated he will do yet.

it's going to be very difficult to see this come together. and katy, we talk a lot about the border, the border is a big part of this, but it's also tied to funding for ukraine and israel, which right now is also in danger. >> let's listen to senator james langford, a republican from oklahoma on that part of it. >> the republicans four months ago would not give funding for ukraine for israel and for our southern border because we demanded changes in policy, so we actually locked arms together and said we're not going to give you money for this. we want to change the law. it's interesting a few months later, they're like, oh, just kidding, i actually don't want to change it because it's a presidential election year. we all have an oath to the constitution and we have a commitment to say we're going to do whatever we can to be able to secure the border. >> i'm going to have to leave it there because the secretary of state, antony blinken is now addressing reporters at the state department. let's listen. >> we have been very clear in warning that anyone looking to take advantage of conflict in

the middle east and try to expand it, don't do it. we have taken steps to defend ourselves and to defend our partners, as well as to prevent escalation, and the president's been crystal clear, we will respond decisively to any aggression. and we will hold responsible the people who attacked our troops. we'll do so at a time and a place of our choosing. at the same time we remain focused on our core objectives in the region, in terms of the conflict in gaza and broader efforts to build truly durable peace and security. to that end, i had an opportunity to meet today with the prime minister and foreign minister of qatar on the ongoing effort to get hostages out and to create an extended pause. this is critical to them being able to get to the formula that

we have been talking about to putting a durable end to the cycle of violence we have seen in the region generation after generation, and the opportunity that exists to actually achieve it, an integrated israel with relations with all of its neighbors, security commitments, assurances that it needs to make sure that it can move forward in peace and security. palestinian authority that's reformed and a clear pathway to a palestinian state. that vision and its realization can dramatically change the security circumstance for israel, for the palestinians, for all of our partners in the region. and at the same time, isolated small number of actors who don't want to get there, who have a very different for what the future is, notably iran. a different vision that we see

playing out every single day, either directly by iran or by its proxies. but the way to durable security is through a region that's more integrated or the relations among its countries are normalized, and where the question of the rights of palestinians is finally answered. we had an opportunity today, of course, to talk about the nato summit and to talk about other matters relating to our alliance. and i have to say that once again, we see that nato is advancing with a sense of urgency and a strong sense, not only of unity of purpose, but unity of action. just at the very end of last week, turkey approved sweden's succession to nato. sweden brings tremendous capabilities to the alliance in every domain.

hungary now will have to act in order to complete the process. but i fully anticipate that that will happen in the weeks ahead when hungary's parliament returns. now, the session of both finland and sweden was far from inevitable. in fact, if you go back a little over two years, no one was talking about it, but in the wake of moscow's renewed aggression against ukraine, both countries felt that it was truly in their interest to defend their people and defend their sovereignty by joining the alliance. i think the process that we've seen in actually record time -- >> antony blinken talking at the state department, the secretary of state there. coming up, the sabrina singh joins us on what options are in front of the president. the leadership supports him, what about the workers, the fight for one of the most

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thank you for being with us. has the president been presented a list of options from the pentagon. >> thanks, katy, for having me. i'm not going to get ahead of the president or any decisions he's going to make. he is in consultation with his national security team. you saw him convene a meeting today. he convened one over the weekend, but i'm not going to get ahead of what's been presented to him or any decisions that him and the secretary are going to make together on this one? . >> what do you tell the american public that might be worried about a strike within iran or worried about the potential for this to expand our -- expand the war in the region and get us directly involved? >> well, what i would say is that this president and the secretary have no higher priority than protecting u.s. interests, protecting the american people, both here and and, of course, with that protecting u.s. forces and so what i would say to those who have been following what's going on in iraq and syria in the red sea and gulf of aden is that the u.s. military will always take action to respond and protect

our forces, to protect our interests and assets in the region and at home. and that's what you've seen with the president continuing to do whether it be strikes, multilateral strikes with our partners in houthi-controlled areas in yemen or strikes within iraq and syria. we will always hold those accountable. >> a number of strikes. does the pentagon assess those have been working? >> well, look, what we know is we have been able to take capabilities off the table of irgs-backed groups and the capabilities they had yesterday they no longer have today and we assess we have been able to successfully disrupt and degrade their capabilities. by no means are we saying we took everything off the map for them but made it harder for them to launch attacks against our forces in the red sea or iraq or syria. >> friendly drone is the reason it wasn't shot down? >> this is something the central command is still assessing. right now our biggest priority is, of course, taking care of

those who were injured in the attack that happened yesterday and our deepest condolences are with the famie who lost three of our service members who died yesterday. we're thinking about them right now, but, of course, central command is looking into this looking how they can attack u.s. forces from this happening again. >> is it worrying that a drone followed behind an american drone or friendly drone and this might be the way forward? is this a strategy being developed to differentiate? >> look, i'm not going to get ahead of what our commander or the secretary is talking through in terms of next steps on how to protect our forces and any changes to our posture. what i can tell you is that we take this seriously, what happened yesterday is an absolute tragedy, something that has deeply hit this department, and we are going to do everything that we can to hold those accountable at a time and place of our choosing.

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last week the president of the united auto workers forcefully endorsed president biden, the first president to ever join picketers on the strike line, but it wasn't just an endorsement, it was a takedown of his rival donald trump who fain called a billionaire for billionaires and someone who in his words has never stood for the american worker. here's fain explaining himself to the viewers of fox news. >> in 2008/2009 the economic recession donald trump blamed the workers for what was wrong with these companies. you know, in 2015 he talked about doing a rotation of good paying jobs in the midwest, somewhere where they pay less

and have people begging for their jobs at lower wages. in '19, also in '15 when volkswagen workers voted to organize he tried to kill the contract for those workers. you know, in '19 when he was president he didn't support the strike. he told workers at lordstown assembly plant which was closing, don't sell your houses then he did nothing to support them. you know, versus president biden who in 2023 when a plant was going to close in belvedere for stellantis he stood with them and helped us save a community and helped bring not one plant but two plants back to life and he stood with our members on the picket line in our fight for economic justice. >> in response donald trump attacked fain on social media saying the union head who brokered what is described as a blockbuster deal, quote, is a weapon of mass destruction on auto workers and auto manufacturers. joining us the nation's affairs

correspondent john nichols. what will it be like for him to back biden and attack trump. >> it's a big deal for biden. the uaw held its endorsement back always of concerns of how the federal government was dealing with electric vehicle issues and some other things. they came around, and having fain on biden's side is a very important factor in some key swing states. michigan, where biden has been showing some weakness and certainly needs a strong uaw push but also states like pennsylvania, wisconsin, even ohio, which is less of a battleground state and has a lot of members. so having fain out there very strong as both a biden supporter but a trump kriting also i think is critical for the president in some of those battleground states. >> president biden and the democrats have been winning the working class but losing the white working class if i have that correctly. what's it mean to have a leader

like fain? does he move the needle among union workers who, like donald trump, does he convince them to support president biden? >> not in and of himself, right? what fain does is important because it gets the message out there, especially when he goes on a network like fox and also frankly if he goes on msnbc or anyplace else, it's important to have a union leader out there walking about biden but the key thing is the internal work within the unions, having ab endorsement from a union is one thing. having that union work hard on the shop floor, in the union hall to make sure that all the members know why that endorsement was made, that's critical and there's a lot of evidence that fain is that kind of leader and so the uaw won't just be talking up the endorsement on tv but bringing it to the workers in person. that's critical. >> i think -- >> and other unions as we >> it's interesting donump is going after him walling a weapon of mass destruction.

here's what fain got the uni auto workers an immediately 11 pay increase, 25% pay inkrfr over the 4 1/2 year reinstated cost ofg adjustments and shortened the time to top wage from years to 3 year, right to strike over plant closures and two-tier pay structure. he was able to get quite a bit for union workers and everybody said he would not be able to. john nichols, thanks so much for joining us. next time we'll give you more time. we appreciate it. >> it's an honor to be with you. thanks for having me. >> that's going to do it for me. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. aim ali velshi in for nicolle wallace. the first deadly strike against forces in the middle east since the october 7th is adding fuel to the fire in what is already an incredibly tense situation across the region. president biden has vowed to