of your brain data. also around where does this technology go next? we reached out to neuralink but have not heard back. >> thank you so very much. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. reach me on social media @jdbalart. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the middle east on edge as president biden says he has decided how to retaliate for that deadly attack that killed three u.s. soldiers at a u.s. base in jordan, while the president also saying he does not want a wider war.

israeli troops disguised themselves as palestinians to kill a suspected terrorist in a west bank hospital. hamas political leaders do not rule out a hostage deal. with me this hour, former bush national security advisor steven hadley on the tensions throughout the region and mike lawler and jared moskowicz to punish iran. house republicans prepare to vote on launching impeachment hearings against homeland security secretary mayorkas, what could be the first impeachment of a sitting cabinet member since 1876.

catherine cortez-mastro joins me with the latest on the border and the 2024 campaign. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. the president has decided, he says, how and when to strike back against the iran-backed militias who killed three u.s. troops in jordan. he appears to have ruled out striking iran itself. >> i don't think we need a wider war in the middle east. that's not what i'm looking for. >> local reports say that iranian-sponsored fighters are evacuating in anticipation of u.s. military action. the pentagon says the three troops, army specialist kennedy sanders, sergeant william rivers, and army specialist breonna moffett were killed.

they were members of the same engineering group in georgia. the explosive drone may have evaded u.s. air defenses by flying low and toward the outpost at the same time a u.s. drone was also landing. secretary of state blinken warning this is the most volatile situation in the middle east in our lifetime. although the u.s. does not seek a war with iran, it will defend u.s. personnel. as tensions escalate with iran, a potential cease-fire deal is on the table that could lead to the first hostage release since november. hamas has officially received the offer hammered out among the u.s., israel, qatar, and egypt over the weekend and proposed a 60-day cease-fire and the phased release of all hostages eventually, including six americans. their families are at the white house to meet with jake sullivan. the qatari prime minister told me yesterday that the ball is now in hamas' court.

>> we don't know and we cannot predict what hamas response will be. we are committed to carry forward and to come up with some solutions. >> the deal includes getting more humanitarian aid into gaza despite controversy around the main u.n. agency providing relief, with israel claiming half of the staff is tied to hamas. palestinian islamic jihad and other terror groups. israel is accusing a dozen employees in taking part in the attacks. we start with courtney kube and michael crowley. first of all, tell us, what might have been the confusion that let that drone packed with explosives evade dedefenses, an what could the potential be?

>> it's not clear how this dron -- it was packed with explosives. how it was able to get around the base air defense systems. a couple theories the u.s. is looking at is that a u.s. drone was coming in at the same time. that may have sort of masked or confused the air defense systems who didn't recognize this as an enemy drone. that was one way it got through. they are looking at the possibility it was at such a low altitude. this is not the first time this base has been targeted by a drone. it's the first time that one, as we know, has gotten through. one of the reasons the casualty count was so high is because of where that drone landed and exploded. it was near an area where u.s. troops were housed and many asleep at the time. that's why we saw the casualty count now, three u.s. soldiers killed. 40 others injured, including three who had to be taken to

germany for further treatment. adeadly attack. it's a small outpost. it is for logistics and training of the jordanian military. most of our viewers have probably never heard of it. that's because the u.s. military and the jordanian military do not talk about it. it's a quiet base that they just don't even acknowledge exists. the next question though is, what's the u.s. response? i can say the u.s. at the highest levels at the white house, pentagon have been looking at options since sunday. we are told this round of strikes, retaliatory strikes, will be different than what we have seen in previous attacks against u.s. troops in iraq and syria. there have been more than 160 against bases with u.s. troops in iraq and syria. there have been several other successful attacks that have led to u.s. troops being injured. as you mentioned, this is the first time where u.s. troops

have been killed by one of these iranian-backed groups since the october 7 attack. >> just to follow up on one thing. there's so much pressure coming from mostly the republican side, but also some democrats on the hill. they want to go after iran. many are saying, hit iran inside itself, not just their proxies. lindsey graham has been one of those aggressively saying this for a while, that deterrence has not worked which is clear. 160 strikes means deterrence hasn't worked. do you think they ruled that out? that's what i'm inferring from what the president said. we can't be precise but the way he was speaking to reporters this morning. >> i think you are right. i don't know we can say with certainly they have ruled that out. i will say, action against iran directly has been on the table, has been under consideration. but it's not clear whether the u.s. has made that decision. i think we have even talked

about it. it seems as if this is going to be a multi-stage response. again, the most that officials want to say is that it's going to be different and look bigger than these previous strikes that have been more targeted in iraq and syria. >> michael, how does the president balance these escalating pressures? he is on a tightrope here. he doesn't want to expand the war. he made that clear. iran is behind the houthis and hezbollah, the sponsor of hamas. how do you try to get a cease-fire in gaza and also go after iran and punish them for this? >> well, andrea, it's a problem from hell. no american president wants a war in the middle east, particularly after what we saw happen in iraq and afghanistan, which is not exexactly in the middle east, but same idea. now in particular you have a

president facing a hard re-election. they say politics doesn't factor into these things. maybe it doesn't. if there was ever a particularly bad time to get into a middle east conflict, it's when you are up for re-election. i think the president has to be sensitive to that. at the same time, if your adversaries know you really have these limits that you don't want to get into a certain degree of conflict, that you are very reticent about military confrontation, they can push you around. they can take advantage of that. finding that sweet spot where you can deter your opponents without escalating the war sin credibly hard. further complicating this is it's not entirely clear exactly what iran's involvement is in a lot of the attacks. the militias in iraq and syria are supported by iran, sympathetic to iran, do take direction from iran. but i don't think it's clear we have traced these particular

attacks, including most importantly the one on the base in jordan, directly back to tehran. where exactly do you define the accountability? it's just a really wicked problem for president biden. they're trying to figure it out. >> courtney kube, michael crowley, thanks. steve hadley, it's great to see you. >> nice to be here. >> whatever wisdom you can share as to how to deter iran, punish iran, because they clearly are arming these groups. avoid escalating beyond. what do you say to the hawks who say, let's go after iran? that's complicated. this is a highly weaponized, large country with a lot of very good missiles and drones. a nuclear capability emerging. they are providing drones to

russia to use in ukraine. this is not iraq under saddam hussein. >> it's a hard problem. i think a couple things. one, i'm not sure we need to wait for actual evidence that the iranians directed or gave the go ahead to the attack in jordan or the attack that hamas made on israel. we know iran trains, supports, provides weapons to the groups. i think you can and must hold iran accountable for their actions whether or not the iranians specifically authorized the strike. they are trying to hide behind that fact by saying these terrorist groups act autonomously. i don't think we can let them get away with that. >> does that mean going after iran? can you go after their oil platforms, their ships? can you do other things? >> i think you can. there's an array of options. i think what the administration

has tried so far is to retaliate directly against those proxy groups that have been responsible for attacks on americans. that's a good thing to have done. it's not been enough to deter those groups from such action. i think iran is in the situation that it has these proxy groups that are really causing great destruction to the region. iran is sitting there, if you will, almost in a safe haven. nobody wants to go to war with iran. on the other hand, iran is given a blank check to support the terrorist groups and not be at risk themselves. i think that's the calculus that the administration has to change. the question,how do you do it? ratchet it up over time. you probably send a message to the iranians that you take some action, you tell the iranians, it will get worse if they don't pull back and pull their proxies back. i think that kind of escalatory chain is probably what the

administration is looking at. i think they probably start with irgc and iranian personnel that are not in iran but are in syria and iraq and elsewhere, probably go after those. there's a question, i think they will have to think about whether to try to use covert action to try to destabilize the regime so they have some things to worry about at home. gives them less enthusiasm. >> cyber? >> cyber would be another example. that would be the next block. the next would be, do you do something against iran? people forget in the reagan administration when we protected ships that were transiting the persian gulf, we attacked iranian ships and offshore oil platforms to send a message to iran. it backed them off. our experience is if you do put iran at risk, threaten in that way, they do back off.

i think that that's going to be something that the administration is going to need to look at. see what can be done now. >> we heard from admiral kirby on air force 1 flying to florida that the president will attend the dignified transfer of the remains of the three soldiers when they return, which is appropriate. >> appropriate. >> these are the first three soldiers since october 7th, the first three u.s. troops that we know of who have been killed. there were dozens injured and some serious injuries, we understand. in their bunks. if they do determine that it was confusion by air defense over two drones at the same time, do you think that's tactical by the houthis, they are tracking our drone movements? because they had plenty of attempts on this particular outpost. they have seen response times. do you think it's just

coincidence? >> i don't know. i don't think we know enough to know that. i think what we do know and what we need to focus on is, there have been over 160 some attacks on u.s. troops in iraq and syria. this tragedy was inevitable. it was going to come. you can't be 100% perfect in your defense. i know the administration does not want a war with iran, does not want to escalate. the truth is, the iranians is escalation. this is an escalation beyond syria and iraq. what the houthis are doing in the red sea is an escalation. the point is, iran is escalating. maybe we need to escalate to get the iranians to deescalate. >> regarding the hostages, i met with the prime minister after qatar after he was participating in talks with the other intelligence chiefs over the

weekend. this is a proposal that netanyahu has been presented to his war cabinet. the prime minister has indicated opposition to it. certainly, he had three intelligence officers in these talks all weekend. they agreed on a unified position. it seems to be some running room there. the hamas political leader said they are looking at it and he is not ruling out some interim steps. they had said, we want a permanent cease-fire or nothing at all. no hostages have come out since thanksgiving time. maybe there's a little hope for a preliminary step. >> there may be. netanyahu is in a very difficult position. there's enormous demand that the priority ought to be to get the hostages free, even over the military operation against hamas. you can understand the political pressure that puts him under. he is thinking, if i give hamas two months of a cease-fire, if

you will, they will rebuild, dig in, restore the networks and the like. it will impair the ability to wound hamas, if not disable them from being able to return to control in the situation in gaza. there's a real dilemma for netanyahu and his war cabinet. >> some of his generals are saying that those two goals are not compatible. the goal of we will eliminate hamas, which is a long urban warfare, tunnels, and get rid of the leaders. it's aspirational, perhaps. you can't do that and still save the hostages. >> that's the dilemma. is there some way to do both? get hostages out but still not lose the leverage they have at this point over hamas? the progress they have made against hamas, recognizing there are a lot of israeli soldiers that have been killed in that process. he has an obligation to them and

to their families that those deaths not be in vein. >> it's a hellish dilemma. the president will attend the dignified transfer, that's on friday. the families, of course, will have their moment to receive their -- >> it will be a hard day for everybody. >> very hard day. it's heartbreaking. we interviewed -- nbc interviewed the parents of two of the three. it's devastating. thank you very much. >> nice to be here. striking back. two congressmen, a republican and democrat, joining me in 06 -- 60 seconds to punish iran for backing the militant groups across the middle east. introducing ned's plaque psoriasis. he thinks his flaky, red patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill

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house and senate lawmakers are asking for classified briefings about the deadly drone strike that killed those three army reservists at the base in jordan. members from both sides of the aisle have been calling on the administration to respond more forcefully. joining us now, jared moskowitz and congressman lawler. there are ways to get at iran without going into iranian territory. do you want something more than that? >> since october 7th, there have been more than 150 attacks on u.s. military bases and personnel. obviously, three u.s. military personnel dying this past weekend. the united states needs to show strength. the administration needs to escalate and sustain the response. the only thing the iranians

understand is strength. when you look at the fact that they have backed and funded hamas, hezbollah, other terrorist organizations, they have escalated the situation in the middle east. it's incumbent to respond against these terrorist proxies as well as against iran. that's why we introduced the ship act last year. it passed the house after the october 7th attacks. it has been stalled in the senate. it's time to act and go after the funding source for these terrorist petroleum. that's something that's bipartisan. it requires action by the senate. the white house needs to embrace this. we have to cut funding off at its head. >> congressman, moscowitz.

the president doesn't want to widen the war. it's clear they will take action. what about the sanctions on oil? why do you think the senate is slow walking this, if you do? >> i'm happy to be here with congressman lawler. this passed in the house. i can't explain why the senate does certain things or doesn't do certain things. this passed with overwhelming majorities, two-thirds in the house. this is something the senate should send to the president's desk, especially in light of the latest attack. president biden has done a good job making sure the war that israel is doing against hamas has not widened. but we must respond. president biden must deliver a blow to these proxies in yemen, iraq and other areas. it must be clear that the united states is firm that we send a message, but also understand

that this is a trap that china and russia are setting. they would love for us to get involved in a war in the middle east which would take our eye off of ukraine, which would allow china to move against taiwan. there's more we can do with sanctions. we should deny iranian leadership entry to the u.s. there's lots of things we can do. if i were the president, every boat and every plane that these proxies have, i would destroy. i would destroy their capabilities. any airport they launch from, i would destroy. send a hammer blow to the proxies so iran finally understands the message. >> thank you very much. we learned that the president did speak to the families of the three service

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on two articles of impeachment against dhs secretary mayorkas. accusing the setting of failure to control the border. speaker mike johnson is promising a full house vote on the floor as early as next week. ryan nobles joins me now from capitol hill. ryan, this will be the first impeachment of a sitting cabinet member since the gilded age, 1876. take us inside the impeachment effort. how are the house republicans justifying high crimes and misdemeanors have been committed by the homeland security secretary? >> reporter: there's a reason it hasn't been done since the gilded age, because it is a very high bar that would require the impeachment of a sitting cabinet secretary. it's high crimes and misdemeanors, like for a president. the efforts that republicans are going to to try to make the case

that mayorkas deserves to be impeached are dubious. they claim he is willfully ignoring the law. that's what led to the current border crisis. you talk to some republicans and they argue that this is necessary to get the administration's attention, to do something about the situation at the border. where democrats argue that this is nothing more than a political ploy to make the administration look weak and make the situation further complicated for president biden. what makes this process even more difficult is it comes at the same time as senate negotiators are in the midst of high stakes negotiations around a border package that would hope to solve some of the exact problems house republicans are complaining about. mayorkas is a key player in that. he has been in these meetings while these negotiators have hashed out a deal. they expect to release the

contents of the deal maybe as soon as tomorrow. house republicans have already decided that they are not interested in that package. the house speaker described it as being dead on arrival. it does crystallize how difficult any sort of immigration reform is here on capitol hill, even at a period of time where you seem to have republicans and democrats in agreement that something needs to be done. the politics always gets in the way of it. that's what we see playing out here today. >> even though they haven't read the bill yet and even though the president said that he would shut down the border as soon as he gets the power, they say now that he has the power even without legislation. they have been calling for legislation. it seems like shockingly there's hypocrisy going on on capitol hill. ryan? >> reporter: it's a bit head spinning. the same republicans that are now saying the president doesn't need legislation to enact these

border changes are the same ones that pushed through a very controversial immigration package just a couple months ago which they dubbed hr2, which included building a wall and a number of other provisions. they demanded the senate pass that legislation, which they refused do. this idea on one hand you need the most extreme version of immigration reform or no reform at all to solve the border crisis i think is head scratching. it would force the skeptic in all of us to say this is about the upcoming campaign and not necessarily about solving the problem. >> the fact that donald trump came out against the bill, who also hasn't read it. ryan nobles, thank you very much. joining us now is senator catherine cortez-masto. thanks for being with us. you deal with the border, the southwest states have to deal with this issue. the migration issue. you are from nevada, where

employment is really dependent on legal immigrants coming in. there's a mix of forces here. >> you are right, andrea. nevada is not a border state. what happens at the border bleeds into nevada, whether it's drug trafficking, human trafficking, but it's essential we have a workforce. many in nevada, northern nevada as well as southern nevada, have a workforce that legally comes from mexico. i was listening earlier, i agree, this is the height of hypocrisy where there's an opportunity now to solve some of the key issues that we are seeing at the border, and republicans want to play politics with it. >> will the senate vote for it even if they think it's doomed in the house? it's a lot tougher on border provisions than a lot of the progressive senators who don't really want to take a vote on

this. >> andrea, if you remember, in december we took a vote on it. we voted on the entire supplemental, including the 14 billion that the president had suggested or put forward for the border. every single democrat really voted for it, except maybe one. it shows you the support really on the democratic caucus of moving for it and addressing so many issues, including what's happening at the border. here is the challenge. there are some of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle who want to do work on the border. if you recall after that vote, what we were hearing from republicans was that, well, we don't want to throw money at it. we want a policy change. now we are working on that policy change. we are addressing the asylum piece of the issue at the border, which requires congress to do it. now you see that happening. we are close to addressing that. what we see unfortunately are

some republicans saying, no, we don't want that. they prefer chaos. they would rather blame president biden for the border issues instead of solving those problems. >> how concerned are you about the polling that shows joe biden so far behind in the head to head with donald trump? >> there's no doubt in my mind that president biden understands what is happening across the country for so many families who really now coming out of the pandemic, like nevada, we were so hard hit, but we are coming back. the economy is good. part of it is because of the legislation that president biden worked with congress to pass, the bipartisan infrastructure package that is creating incredible projects that are being built in nevada right now that are creating jobs and union jobs in nevada. that's a positive. the inflation reduction act that reduced costs for seniors, capped the cost of insulin and allows us to negotiate prescription drugs, that's playing out in a positive way

across the country. there's really a story to tell about who is standing and fighting for our families, president biden and vice president harris, and who would rather have the chaos and just all of the turmoil so they can blame an administration for their own political gain. i know nevadans. what i see in nevada is people are frustrated with that. they are tired of it. i was re-elected to the senate not just by democrats. they want us to work together and solve problems. >> thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. on that campaign push, former president trump throwing his weight against that bipartisan senate border compromise. how republicans falling in line. that's next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. this is msnbc. next level. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. (ella) we get more control of production,

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they don't have the authority. on capitol hill, house republicans are ready to shut down the senate's bipartisan border bill after mr. trump slammed it calling it unnecessary. joining us now is former ohio governor john kasich. he was a republican presidential candidate in 2016 and a former member of the house. don't you miss the house? i know you miss being there. you could have a different speaker every couple of months. motions to vacate. >> i was there in 1986. i hate to take people back. i was just a kid then. that's when we passed a bipartisan bill to deal with the immigration problem. it seemed as though we could have cooler heads and we could figure out how to have border security and let people have the ability to come in here legally. we got that done. it was done under ronald reagan and involved some form of amnesty. it was good for a while. in recent years, it has become completely and totally politicized. that's why we're not making any

progress down there. they can say, well, trump had it all figured out. no, he didn't. part of the reason why we didn't have the flow is because of covid. if you are going to be able to solve this problem, republicans and democrats have to do it together. border security, legal immigration. right now, people on all sides feel that there's chaos at that border and that chaos means there's a lot of bad stuff that could come in here. it's imperative that we get something done. >> the senate has agreed on a bipartisan compromise. senator langford was leading the way on this for the republicans in the senate. it does reportedly change asylum laws and give the president authority to shut down the border. now after donald trump came out against it, all these house republicans say they're against it. the speaker will make a speech we are told tomorrow about this. being against it. he said last week it's dead on arrival in a statement he put out.

now they say the president can do it on their own. he said this morning when he was going to marine i, he said, give me the authority. i don't have the authority. these are the same people who sued him, the attorneys general from republican states, sued him for executive orders when he first started taking action on a number of things, for doing too much that wasn't legislated. >> well, there's no question there's hypocrisy here. secondly, this gives an opportunity for republicans who are -- who want to be problem solvers to work with democrats. if that package should come out of the senate, it should give them the courage to stand up. whether they will or won't, i don't know. i would tell you, in my opinion, joe biden -- this is the second time i have seen him do this. he did it on inflation. he said everything in the economy is good. now he has to play catchup to say, it's not perfect yet. on the border, for a while they

were saying, everything is okay. it's not okay. just talking in front of marine i or anything else, if i were joe biden, i would be -- do a primetime event, some kind of a televised event to tell people, we have republicans in the senate that want to do this, democrats in the senate that want to do this. now we get over in the house and because donald trump says he is not for any bill, that they will vote against it. that's not acceptable to the american people. i'm making the case, i want to control the border. was i always perfect in the past? no. can we get it improved? yes. there's a reluctance on the part of leaders to admit that sometimes they didn't get it right away. there's nothing wrong with saying, i didn't always get it right. i used to say it. i think it works. people don't know what is going on in terms of joe biden. if he is smart, he will put the pressure on the republicans in the house. >> do you think the answer is

impeaching the homeland security secretary? >> this is -- you know, again, they ought to be selling tickets to this stuff. look, it's more crazy than the succession show on streaming. you can't figure this stuff out. the fact is, we need a bipartisan solution to control the border. the american people favor immigration but controlled immigration, legal immigration. i tell you, the parties involved have to get to the faith groups, to labor, to the business groups, form a coalition to be able to finally deal with this border and the issue of immigration. as you know, andrea, if you are living in venezuela, you are a mom and have kids and your kids are threatened, you will leave. you will go somewhere to be safe. the safest haven is the united states. in an ordinarily way, it can work. we have to do it together. >> john kasich, thank you very

much. good to see you. >> got me all riled up. >> doesn't take much. [ laughter ] we appreciate it. thank you. speaking of tough issues, reproductive rights up next. the legal battle over abortion entering a new phase in a key 2024 swing state. we are talking michigan. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. s" on msnbc. to take our operations to the next level. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. (ella) we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (jen) that's enterprise intelligence. (vo) it's your vision, it's your verizon.

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later today, michigan's attorney general is fiing a motion against those trying to overturn the abortion law. it's good to see you. thank you very much. tell us about -- >> thank you for having me. >> the legal action today and what it means going forward. what do you assess the possibilities of stopping this in state court? >> you know, just to review, obviously, we had the dobbs decision that came down in 2022 reversing years of precedent under roe v. wade. the voters didn't care for that here in michigan. we had a ballot proposal that passed overwhelmingly. we had over 2.5 million voters say that they wanted to enshrine

constitutional rights to reproductive freedom into our state constitution and we did just that. but i think this is a helpful reminder, this lawsuit, that this issue never really ends. and when you had these antiabortion crusaders say that they really wanted this issue just to go back to the states, shouldn't be a federal issue, it should be a state issue, they didn't really mean it, right? so, the same entities that at one time argued for states rights now say that even in states like mine, where we overwhelmingly passed abortion rights and other types of reproductive freedom and just to, you know, clarify that point, 15 counties that voted for donald trump in 2020 voted to enshrine reproductive rights into the constitution in michigan in 2022. this is overwhelmingly popular. you have groups now that are

trying to have federal courts strip us of these constitutional rights that we fought so hard for in michigan. so, what we are doing with this state, and, again, the governor, the secretary of state and myself who were all sued in this matter, we're asking that the matter be dismissed. >> what are the chances of that. the way i read the dobbs case, i'm no lawyer, but it basically said that, look, it is up to the states to make these decisions which has worked adversely against abortion rights advocates in many places, particularly in the south. there have been many -- look at what texas has done. in michigan, as you point out, there was an overwhelming vote. is this a state judge, is this -- i guess it is initially in the state court, right? it is a single judge that you will be -- >> it is in a federal court. which is very important. it is not going to go up to the michigan supreme court. this could potentially go to the

united states supreme court. and why is that so important? well, you know, our main argument is that these plaintiffs have no standing to challenge the michigan constitution. there is no real or perceived or future harm that would come to any of these groups or any of these individuals who have brought this lawsuit. but, you know, really all the jurisprudence in the laws regarding standing have pretty much gone out the window with this iteration of the united states supreme court. and, you know, whether it is the texas law, where basically anyone could sue an individual if they had an abortion or if they aided or assisted in someone having an abortion, even if they didn't know that person, had never met that person before in life, that apparently was fine to still sue that person as though you had suffered some sort of, you know, perceived injury, which, of course, we know is not true.

we have the mifepristone case, the abortion medication case that is now pending in the united states supreme court, which could up end 30 years of an fda approved, incredibly safe medication. so what we're seeing with this united states supreme court is that the end justified the means. and the ends here is ending all abortion rights as we know it and not just stopping there. what is next on the chopping block? could be birth control. could be, you know, fertility treatments. could be a variety of different things. and so, you know, we have to treat every election as though it matters, whether it is a state election, whether it is a federal election, whether you're looking at who is going to be in the united states senate and who is going to be the president of the united states selecting supreme court justices or whether it is a state election and you're deciding who your ag, governor and secretary of state are going to be. every election when it comes to

reproductive rights matters and this matter is never really over. >> attorney general dana nessel, thank you so much. and in her own words, e. jean carroll on her $83 million victory over donald trump in court and what's next. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc robitussi. so, she can have those one on ones again. hey jim! can we talk about casual fridays? oh sure. what's up? get fast, powerful cough relief with robitussin, and find your voice. ♪robitussin♪ i know what it's like to perform through pain. if you're like me, one of the millions suffering from pain caused by migraine, nurtec odt may help. it's the only medication that can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks. treat and prevent, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. relief is possible. talk to a doctor about nurtec odt.

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him. he can be knocked down. >> meanwhile, a verdict in the new york civil fraud case seeking $370 million against donald trump could come down to as soon as this week. joining us now, barbara mcquaid, author of "attack from within: how disinformation is sabotaging america." congratulations on the new book, i can't wait to get it. so, do you see a world in which donald trump is age to avoid paying e. jean carroll. he's going to file appeal, has to put up some money to file that appeal, but at some point will she see this money? >> i think so, andrea. i'm sure he'll appeal. if there were errors made in the case, perhaps there with ill be a reversal, but i don't see it. this case was all about the damages. sometimes you'll see appellate courts reduce the amount of damages if they can't tie it to something specific. but here, this was all about punitive damages and punishing donald trump for making these statements again and again with impunity. at most, there might be a minor reduction in this amount.

i think e. jean carroll will get something very close to the $83 million. >> and let's switch gears to judge engoron, who is overseeing that new york civil fraud case, letitia james. he plans to make a decision by the end of this month, that's this week. by my count, tomorrow. we could hear his decision as soon as tomorrow. >> it seems like he'll make good on his promise. it is not just an up or down decision. one side loses or one side loses. he must make findings of fact and conclusions of law and putting that in a written opinion. that takes some time. i imagine if he set his own deadline, he'll be working hard to do it. i expect to see the decision tomorrow. >> he is notoriously or famously not liquid in his assets, according to all reports. could we see a situation where he has trouble borrowing the

money to pay these things off, he'll just keep appealing? >> yes, i think that is a possibility or the need to liquidate his assets. i think it could be a devastating blow to the trump brand to see him have to sell off things like trump tower or other landmarks that have had the trump name for decades. >> and, of course there could be a ruling his business can't be headquartered in new york or work in new york. barbara mccquaid, we'll talk to you probably in the next 24 hours. thank you. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us on social media at mitchell reports and you can rewatch the best parts of our show anytime on youtube, just go to "chris jansing reports" starts right now. >> good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. it is a done deal. president biden saying he's made up his mind about how to respond