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he'll just keep appealing? >> yes, i think that is a possibility or the need to liquidate his assets. i think it could be a devastating blow to the trump brand to see him have to sell off things like trump tower or other landmarks that have had the trump name for decades. >> and, of course there could be a ruling his business can't be headquartered in new york or work in new york. barbara mccquaid, we'll talk to you probably in the next 24 hours. thank you. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us on social media at mitchell reports and you can rewatch the best parts of our show anytime on youtube, just go to "chris jansing reports" starts right now. >> good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. it is a done deal. president biden saying he's made up his mind about how to respond
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to the drone strike that killed u.s. troops. so how long until the rest of the country and the world find out what it is. plus, republicans' border strategy increasingly fixated on a man instead of a plan. hope surrounding a border deal fade as the house is stepping up efforts to impeach alejandro mayorkas. tempers flaring inside the committee room. we'll take you there in a minute. and a dream vacation turns tragic. at least four people are dead, including a young boy, after a boat carrying tourists sinks off the coast of mexico. so what went wrong? so much to get to. we start with president biden, telling reporters just a short time ago that after several days and multiple meetings with his national security team, he has settled on a plan to punish iran for the deadly drone attack that killed three u.s. service members. now, the details, the timing and matter of that response is still unknown. but here is the president on the
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south lawn of the white house earlier today. >> yes. >> at the same time, new details about how iranian-backed militants were able to evade u.s. defenses in the first place. officials tell nbc news one theory is that the attack drone flew in just as the u.s. drone was also coming in to the base, so the defense system didn't recognize the attack drone as the threat. it ended up crashing into a u.s. outpost known as tower 22, just inside the border of jordan, killing sergeant william rivers, specialist kennedy sanders and specialist breonna moffett. president biden spoke with their family members earlier today and
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told them he will meet the plane carrying their bodies on friday. here's moffett's mother, remembering her daughter as a generous and loving person. >> if we knew what we know now, we would have just said i love you so much, just make sure that she knew that she wasn't alone, and that we love her. >> i want to bring in nbc's raf sanchez who has been tracking this story from tel aviv. ben rhodes, an msnbc contributor, and collin clark, director of research for the sufan group. thank you for being here. what is the latest we know about this, raf? >> reporter: you heard the president say he holds iran responsible for the attack in jordan, in the sense that they provided the weapons to the group, the iranian-backed group, which actually pulled the trigger.
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it is worth saying the iranians are denying that they were involved in the sense of actually giving the orders to these so-called resistance groups to attack american forces. the iranian foreign ministry saying the attack in jordan was a natural response to america's support for israeli forces operating in gaza. but in terms of how and where the u.s. retaliates for this deadly attack, the president has options. the most obvious would be strikes in syria, potentially also in iraq, against these iranian-backed militant groups, who are responsible not just for the attack in jordan, but months now, more than 160 attacks against american forces in the middle east, the president could take one step further up the escalation ladder and target iranian operatives spread all across the middle east, syria, iraq, lebanon, that is something israel has done repeatedly. we saw a senior member of the
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iranian revolutionary guard killed in a suspected israeli air strike in damascus. the capital of syria. if the president wanted to hit iranian forces directly without targeting iran itself and its own territory, those are options, but then, of course, he could decide to go for the highest level of escalation which would be a strike inside of iran that is something the u.s. has generally avoided in its years of proxy battles with the iranians. back in 1988, a mission known as operation preying man tis, u.s. forces bombed iranian naval ships in the persian gulf. it is not something without precedent. >> raf sanchez, thank you. we don't know what the president has decided, but secretary blinken has said the response will likely be multilayered and sustained over time. i know you've been part of these conversations. i'm thinking to when i was at the white house, you were there with president obama when he was confronting syria.
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what is it like in the room when the decisions are being made and what do you think is the most likely course of action here? >> well, this is an incredibly complicated situation, chris. i think what they're looking at is essentially a menu of options developed by the pentagon, the types of targets you could strike. it runs the spectrum and raf gave a good indication. you could go after these groups themselves, these militia that have been engaged in these attacks including the one in jordan. you could go after the irgc supply nodes, the places in which the irgc has a presence in iraq and syria where they might be utilizing that presence to funnel weapons to various groups, or you could take military action inside iran against irgc targets. there are other nonmilitary options which i think are important to consider, including cyberoptions which have a military dimension to them, but are not about blowing things up. and i think what they're doing
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is weighing what is our core? our core is protecting u.s. service members. is there anything we can do that sends a message that backs these groups off of these types of indiscriminate attacks and constant tit for tat attacks we have seen on u.s. service members? what do we want to avoid? i don't think the administration is looking to get into a full scale conflict with iran and i would be pretty surprised if they were to take military action inside iran. that would be a significant escalation, that would risk what is already a regional war, escalating to another dimension with huge risks in terms of stability, the spread of violence, reprisal attacks, hezbollah getting more further into the conflict in israel, huge global economic disruptions. the administration probably wants to avoid that i think the challenge of this, where it is a bit different than circumstances i was involved in is that the real conflict is in gaza. this is since october 7th. the question is can you have a strategy to deal with this, that
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doesn't take into account the other negotiations that are taking place, which is about can we get into a cease-fire in gaza. because by all indications, that would lower the temperature in the region. the administration here doesn't control all the cards that are being played now. bibi netanyahu is in control of the israeli military operation in gaza, all the groups have their own agendas, iran does as president biden indicated -- they fund these groups, but it is not clear that the iranians are giving orders for these attacks. i don't think they are. it is a very fluid situation. i think in addition to the action the administration takes, i would be advising they need to get out and tell a story of what they're doing. it seems like a lot of responding to events and that's never a comfortable place to be. >> i want to pick up on the complexity of this, as ben just so rightfully pointed out, i want to read what you tweeted earlier today about what you
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called the nagging question here. how does the u.s. united states restore deterrence while avoiding further escalation of the conflict? there is no algorithm for this. moreover, i would argue we're thinking about it the wrong way because i'm not certain iran was ever deterred in the first place. do we have any real idea, colin, of what will get iran to back off? >> no. at this point i don't think we do. i largely agree with what ben mentioned in terms of which option the administration might choose. look, we also have to go back further before october 7th, right? that's the catalyst for a lot of the recent violence in the region now. but iran may very well look at this through the lens of the u.s. is assassinating soleimani and the united states and israelis have taken out a number of other high ranking ir qodsle.
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this is a conflict that stretches back years. this isn't a discreet tit for tat that some have been describing it as. and so i look at this at a time frame that is a lot broader than just the current horizon. >> so we can't look at it as what is iran trying to accomplish right now? does our intelligence have a good handle on this, colin? >> i think that's the million dollar question. to what end. what are iran's goals? i think, first and foremost, they would like to see the united states pushed out of the region. i think that's one of the real risk fsz the biden administration's forth coming response. as it escalates with other groups, there is going to be pressure on the government and baghdad to eject u.s. troops.
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if that happens, you have a whole range of second order effects including giving daylight to the islamic state to come back. it is a mess. i have a lot of empathy for those in the administration trying to make policy on this. to ben's point earlier, some view this as too reactive and not ensconced in a broader strategy here for how the united states wants to engage the iranians. >> the fact this is all happening in an election season, we like to say the decisions are made for american national security but there is a way in which you cannot ignore what the backdrop of this is. i want to play what republican senator tom cotton had to say this morning about this drone attack. >> it is a consequence of joe biden's policy of fear and appeasement and conciliation. just like with ukraine and afghanistan, he's scared of his own shadow. he's worried about escalation. we saw a massive escalation by
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iran, the only way to solve that threat is to directly target iran's forces throughout the region and in iran itself to make it clear we will never tolerate the deaths of our fellow americans. >> while you want to tate politics out of this, does joe biden need to worry about the fact that the long they are goes on, the more there is an opportunity for republicans to go after him and maybe the critical point of this is he's running against someone, joe biden is who he truly believes if he's re-elected is dangerous for america. >> i mean, one thing i learned in eight years in the white house, when tom cotton or lindsey graham would say bad about everything that happened, but the thing i learned is outcomes are the most important in politics. it is a big mistake to be rooking over your shoulder,
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making these kind of national security decisions about you're worried about someone may say about you on television. the reality is the most damaging thing for joe biden is a spread of chaos in the middle east. it is not whether he gets criticized for not going to war with iran, it is if we get in some big war in the middle east. i think trump will be presenting himself as the guy that kept us out of wars. i really truly believe yes, you're right. you got to put some blinders on and ignore those people. they also know that it is politically unpopular to do what they're advising he do. you got take that argument on, explain why it is wrong. call people out for posturing, call out the irresponsibility of these people, people in congress saying dive into war with iran, hit them, hit them hard.
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that's not serious and better to get the response right than to fall in the kind of trap of flexing for some washington audience that doesn't have any skin in the game anyway. >>colin clarke, thank you. we'll dive into the fiery house discussion playing out on your screen right now. could it lead to the second impeachment of its kind in more than 150 years. >> actions and decisions clear meet the standard necessary for initiating impeachment proceedings. >> this is a complete sham impeachment. impeachment. you're replacing me? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ [cough] honey...
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security secretary alejandro mayorkas at a time when the border has become a major political flashpoint. the committee will vote on two articles, accusing mayorkas of willful and systemic refusal to comply with the law and breach of public trust. this is incredibly rare. no cabinet secretary has been impeached by the house since 1876. the controversy over this move is producing some very testy exchanges. >> your own party is sabotaging and undermining this administration's efforts to address the border while you're trying to impeach him by saying that they're not addressing the border. >> secretary mayorkas must be impeached for his failure to uphold his oath of office. >> he comes in here and raises his hand and swears to tell the truth and lies when he says that the border is not open. >> securing the border is not a priority for house republicans. donald trump's 2024 campaign is
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their priority. >> julie tsirkin is reporting from capitol hill. dave noriega is at the southern border in eagle pass, texas. also with us, matthew dowd, former chief strategist for the bush/cheney 2004 campaign and msnbc analyst. this is called a markup meeting. where does it stand right now and what happens next? >> reporter: they're marking up the two articles of impeachment you laid out at the top. they're continuing to stress laying all the blame for the crisis at the border for everything we have seen, the record high border crossings, laying all of that at the feet of alejandro mayorkas, despite the fact that mayorkas is in the room now, negotiating with senators, on both sides of the aisle, trying to come to some kind of deal to address the very problems at the border that republicans in the house are saying mayorkas is not addressing effectively. listen to the back and forth.
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watch this. >> we're here today not because we want to be. but because we have exhausted all other options. this is not about policy differences as all. this goes far deeper. we cannot allow this border crisis to continue. we cannot allow fentanyl to flow across our border. we cannot allow a cabinet secretary with no regard for the separation of powers and the rule of law to remain in office. >> the sham impeachment of secretary mayorkas is a baseless political stunt, by extreme maga republicans. the policy differences are not impeachable. house republicans impeachment of secretary mayorkas accomplishes nothing. which would be consistent with their abysmal record this congress. >> so nonetheless, republicans who have the slim majority in the house are going to move ahead with this impeachment, probably going to process the two articles out of the committee later today. could go all night.
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we keep hearing this back and forth from members, testy exchanges and then that process will shift to the house floor. speaker johnson has not indicated when he expects the full house vote to take place. they need a simple majority in order to actually impeach mayorkas and then it gets over to the senate, it is controlled by democrats. they'll have to hold a trial, they'll have to move the process forward, but we expect because democrats are in control of the chamber that they would move to acquit mayorkas. he is still in the room trying to hammer out that deal, so it will be interesting to see two of the processes moving side by side. we're expecting texts of the border deal as early as tomorrow. >> a lot of people against something they haven't seen yet. secretary mayorkas responded sending a letter to the chairman and wrote, you claim that we have failed to enforce our immigration laws that is false. what are you seeing on the ground in terms of enforcement?
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>> what we're seeing today is not too different from what we have seen in prior years and in prior administrations. the fact that defines a lot of this debate here is that seeking asylum, according to u.s. law, is legal, even if you cross the border illegally in between port ports of entry. to continue overwhelming the asylum system, which is overwhelmed for years with massive backlogs, it means border patrol has no choice but to release those migrants into the country to await their legal asylum proceedings. this is not just happening under biden t happened under trump. i want to show you what's behind me. this is the entrance to shelby park here in eagle pass, where the state of texas has shut down the park. who you see are texas national guard troops and humvees controlling who gets into and out of the park, preventing border patrol access to the park
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to prevent migrants from turning themselves into border patrol to seek asylum. oftentimes in a lot of cases they are anyway even though they went through texas criminal custody, they're released into the country. the position that biden and mayorkas are thinking is they are enforcing the law within the limitations of the existing system and that system needs to be reformed and properly funded in order for the situation on the ground to change. back to you. >> what those negotiations that mayorkas are about. thank you. michael chertoff wrote an op-ed saying i can say with confidence that for all the investigating that the house committee on homeland security has done, they have failed to put forth evidence that meets the bar and accuses house republicans of
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misusing the process to target an official who has done nothing wrong. are you worried about the precedent going forward in. >> they're willing to create whatever conspiracy, nonevidence there is in order to allege it is something. we have seen it for three years about the election results in 2020. it is a precedent already created i guess there is going to have to be rational republican members on the house floor, saying is this a path we want to take? we are in a disruptive moment, which we have been in for the last seven years and this is going to continue until politicians and republicans put the country ahead of their party. >> chairman green, asked by nbc news whether this meets the threshold for impeachment, here is that exchange. >> this kwob the only second impeachment of a cabinet --
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>> the history of the country, yeah. absolutely. he's lied to congress over 170 plus things he asked for he's refused to give us. he can't just disregard our requests. it is so egregious, his slap in the face of this co-equal branch of government, if he was a republican, i would get rid of him. >> if he was a republican, i would get rid of him. would he be doing the same? >> what is amaing about that clip is he has a bunch of republicans who didn't honor subpoenas that are sitting side by side in the mitts of all this. think about jim jordan and all those who had to be ultimately taken to court in the midst of
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this. it is laughable he would say that at the end when the republicans have done zero to hold anyone in their own party accountable. >> matthew dowd, i've got to let that be the laugh word. thank you. breaking news from capitol hill. we know the justice department launched an investigation and now we know that it is into democratic lawmaker cori bush for alleged misuse of funds. she released a statement confirming that. what more you tell us about what the congresswoman has to say. >> it is a lengthy statement, the first time we're hearing from congresswoman. she says in part, quote, i not used any federal tax dollars for personal security services. any reporting that i've used federal funds for personal security is simply false. she says we are fully
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cooperating in this investigation. she also blames right wing media for propagating this information which he is calls false. but this is a serious matter. this was entered into the house record of the floor. this is all grand jury process. these are in secret. we don't expect to find out more information when it comes to the investigation or the process. she is admitting she is the target of this grand jury subpoena investigation, denying she has done anything wrong, denying any wrongdoing, but saying again she will cooperate fully and is cooperating fully with this investigation. >> julie tsirkin, thank you. up next, could donald trump get kicked off another primary
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us. what is the latest? >> reporter: good afternoon. a lot of new details coming in by the hour here. we have learned that this took place between a very popular tourist destination of cancun and an island just off the coast that a lot of tourists will take day trips to and from. and it was during one of those voyages that this ship, this vessel, capsized, late last night. according to the latest from mexican authorities, there were 19 people on board and at last check the attorney general says four mexican tourists died as a result of this vessel going down in the waters. really just a short trip, a handful of miles or so, from the mexican coastline, where this boat had been going last night for what appears to be a dinner trip. it was on the return voyage that they encountered somewhat choppy seas. that is part of this
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investigation. and it is still unknown whether or not there were mechanical failures on this boat. but what we do know is that it started to go down, rescue efforts were launched almost immediately, some of those tourists were being able -- were rescued by civil patrol, but that death toll, four as it stands right now. one of the big questions here, and all of this, what was the official capacity for this boat. we know there were 19 people on board, should that capacity have been exceeded, it absolutely could have contributed to the boat going down. and just to put in perspective, the popularity of the route, it was in 2022, that two american divers were killed, that were diving in this area, despite having buoys and flags up because of a boat passing above them. this is a very much a tourist hot spot that within the last 24 hours has claimed four lives.
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chris in. >> have they said the other 15 people have been accounted for? >> we do know that none are believed to be missing and they were rescued. majority of them are receiving medical treatment nearby. >> morgan chesky, thank you for that. breaking in the last hour, donald trump will remain on the primary ballot for voters in illinois after election officials rejected weighing in on the challenge to remove him under the insurrection clause of the 14th amendment. ken dilanian is following this for us. this is expected to be the final decision or maybe not? >> not necessarily, chris. there may well be court challenges. this may end up in the courts in illinois. the illinois state board of elections here decided it did not have the jurisdiction to rule on this question of whether mr. trump should be disqualified under the 14th amendment.
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their decision came after a hearing officer for the board concluded that a preponderance of the evidence proved mr. trump did engage in insurrection and should be disqualified. that hearing officer held the courts, and not the election board, should decide. it is worth noting that that hearing officer is a retired judge who happens to be a republican, chris. his ruling was in response to a petition filed by five voters, who argued that mr. trump is ineligible under that civil war era provision that bars anyone who took an oath to support the constitution and then engage in insurrection or rebellion from holding office. this whole issue nationally is probably going to be decided by the u.s. supreme court which agreed to hear arguments from a similar case in colorado. those arguments will take place next week and that opinion could be out before the march 5th super tuesday primary, which will be well before the illinois primary on march 19th. >> ken dilanian thank you for that breaking news. alabama's first ever execution by nitrogen gas may be
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just the beginning. this morning the ohio attorney general said he plans to, quote, kick start the state's capital punishment system using nitrogen hypoxia. >> the arguments are going to be made for the righteousness of this ultimate penalty for the worst of the worst. >> joining me now, former federal prosecutor, msnbc legal analyst, paul butler. paul, i want to play some of what we heard last week in alabama after the nitrogen gas execution there. >> what occurred last night was textbook. it is no longer an untested method. it is a proven one. >> we saw him begin violently shaking, thrashing against the straps that held him down. this is the fifth execution i witnessed in alabama and i've never seen such a violent execution or violent reaction to the means of execution.
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>> so, ohio hasn't executed anyone since 2018 and 2020. the governor said lethal injection is no longer an option because the federal judge ruled that the protocol could cause inmates severe pain, needless suffering. how do we square the two things we heard, can nitrogen hypoxia be seen as less painful and causing less suffering? >> we have no idea, chris. this is an experiment last week when kenneth smith was gassed to death using nitrogen. that was the first time that that happened in the history of this country. the state said it would take a few minutes. it took 22 minutes for mr. smith to die as you heard. he was shaking, witnesses said he was pulling against the restraints that held him down. the technique is so new, chris, that they had to make up a new
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protocol to administer gas. for example, there was a concern that he would die based on his own vomit as the gas was being administered. so the new rule is that he was only able to have his last meal eight hours before he died. he wasn't able to eat anything after that. again, it shows how new and untested this method of execution is. >> we mentioned at the top that this may be the start, and, in fact, the nebraska legislature is considering nitrogen hypoxia for capital punishment. we have an expert on last week, who studied this for decades and i asked her if capital punishment is to be used, is there a method that is not cruel and unusual punishment and she said without hesitation, firing squad, that it is quick, 100% reliable. so why are we looking, why are states looking for something else like nitrogen hypoxia?
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>> i saw that interview with one of the leading experts on the death penalty. and i think she said firing squads are the most humane because it is quick and efficient. there is a famous case in which one of the supreme court justices who is opposed to the death penalty said you can't tinker with the machinery of death. there is no way to do that in a fair way. to be sure, most states seem to understand that 29 states right now have either abolished the death penalty or have it on pause while they study its fairness. some lawmakers, especially in southern and western states, insist on punishing some criminals by killing them. and in those states there is this tension between the constitution and the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment. and this rush to execute some inmates based on their crime.
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>> paul butler, this is not the last time i'm sure we'll be talking about this. appreciate you coming on. thank you. coming up after the break, family for american hostages in gaza at the white house today. what we know about the meeting. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. ting you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc want luxury hair repair that doesn't cost $50? pantene's pro-vitamin formula repairs hair. as well as the leading luxury bonding treatment. for softness and resilience, without the price tag. if you know... you know it's pantene. covid-19? i'm not waiting. if it's covid, paxlovid. paxlovid is an oral treatment for adults with mild-to-moderate covid-19 and a high-risk factor for it becoming severe. it does not prevent covid-19. my symptoms are mild now, but i'm not risking it. if it's covid, paxlovid. paxlovid must be taken within the first five days of symptoms, and helps stop the virus from multiplying in your body. taking paxlovid with certain medicines can lead to serious or life-threatening side effects or affect how it or other medicines work,
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october 7th who are still being held. these days have been agony and uncertainty trying to maintain hope. today there may be some cause to hope. just as we learned that national security adviser jake sullivan is meeting today at the white house with the families of several u.s. hostages. the qatari prime minister told our andrea mitchell there is progress toward a deal to release hostages in exchange for a cease-fire. expected to be at meeting today, the loved ones of omar, etie, eden and abigail. other families not in d.c. are expected to dial into the meeting. meanwhile, hamas says it is studying this new truce propoal with the top political leader traveling to cairo to discuss the terms but israeli prime minister netanyahu told a crowd in the occupied west bank today, no compromise, no prisoner swap, no withdraw from gaza. where does that leave these familys?
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joining us now, ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser and msnbc contributor. thank you for coming back, ben. you've been in the room with hostage families before. what are these meetings like and short of being able to say to them your loved one is coming home, are they important? >> yeah, they're very important, chris. i did get to meet with families of multiple different circumstances being held, either falsely imprisoned or hostages. the main thing they want to know is that you are doing everything possible. and they want information. and i think one of the lessons we learned in the white house is always err on the side of sharing information. i think there is an obligation to tell a family everything that you're doing to bring their loved one home. at the end of the day there is only one thing they want to hear, their loved one is coming home. unless andle it you can deliver
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that news, it is an incredibly painful meeting. >> to that end, prime minister netanyahu said outright, israel will not withdraw from gaza or release terrorists in israeli jails. is this a bargaining position on his part, or is this deal or any other deal already dead? >> i think it is too early to tell. it is clear that prime minister netanyahu himself is under a lot of pressure in israel from the families of hostages. i think you can see the common sense point, which is that you're not going to rescue these hostages and military operations, dropping bombs on gaza is not the kind of environment where you secure the safe passage of a hostage. it has to be during some kind of cease-fire. the only time we have seen releases is a previous cease-fire. i think he feels compelled to be trying a diplomatic track. i'm sure the u.s. has been pushing him on that. the reality is his position and the position of hamas remains far apart and may be wanting to
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reinforce their core points. he does not want to concede this will be a permanent cease-fire or a long-term cease-fire beyond a period of weeks and doesn't want to release certain types of palestinians from israeli prisons. hamas wants a permanent cease-fire and they want israely forces out of gaza. i don't think they're going to change those positions frankly. the question is within those differences, always going to remain, can you at least allow for a pause to get some of the hostages out, to get some humanitarian assistance in? and that's what the u.s. is trying to find a formula with qatar and egypt and others to get done. >> well there have been, as you know, multiple rounds of negotiations since this war broke out some have been fruitful. the release of some hostages and a couple of weeks ago the deal to get medicine to the hostages in gaza in exchange for humanitarian aid for palestinians. that's a lot less complicated than what the hostage families
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want to see. is there some level of trust that is built by that, that helps moving forward or is every point in any negotiation just wherever it is at that moment? >> no, i think there is some level of trust, maybe trust isn't exactly the right word, but we would term it when i was in these kinds of negotiations, a confidence building measure. can you reach an agreement and see that the other side will follow through? and on that first agreement, everybody followed through. the israelis released certain palestinians from prisons. so you could see that in a negotiation that went through qatar and other countries, that sides could make a commitment and that they could then follow through on the commitments. obviously it is incredibly difficult kind of circumstance when israel's engaged in a war in which they say they want to destroy hamas and hamas said they want to destroy israel.
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in a strange way, they don't recognize the legitimacy of one another. they have shown that they can keep their side of the bargain. let's hope for the sake of the hostage families and people in gaza there is more bargains that can be struck here. >> indeed, ben rhodes, always good to have you on the program. thank you. and coming up, why convicted murderer alex murdaugh is still in prison after a rough day in court. but first, gold at last. the u.s. has now been officially named the 2022 olympic champions in the figure skating team event after russian skater camilla valiyeva was disqualified for doping. japan will be upgraded to the silver. in a shocking turn of events, russia will still get the bronze medal, denying canada their expected bronze. the head of the u.s. antidoping agency condemned the decision to award russia a medal at all saying it wreaks of favoritism.
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convicted murderer alex murdaugh is back in bars today without the prospect of a new trial following a wild day in court. sam brock reports on his failed attempt to get his case before a new jury. >> did the comments have any impact on the verdict of the jury? i find that the answer to this question is no. >> the most sensational trial in south carolina history has finally been put to bed. at least for now. monday's dramatic ruling and rejection of alex murdaugh's motion for a retrial following his double murder conviction for the killing of his wife and youngest son, featured a host
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twipss and turns on the stand. >> i did not have a conversation with any juror about anything related to this case. >> was your verdict on march 2nd, 2023, in any way, with any influence in any way with any communications by the clerk of court becky hill in this case? >> yes, ma'am. >> and how was it influenced? >> to me, i felt like she made it seem like he was already guilty. >> that bombshell coming from a woman named juror z, though she was the only one of 12 jurors to say hill actually influenced her vote and even then, her affidavit from august said she had questions. making no mention of hill who's under investigation by the state for alleged interactions with the jury and using her office for personal gain. >> it's possible that she may have broken juror tampering laws
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but far more likely she violated her known duty to not interfere with the deliberations of the jurors. >> the proceedings also highlighted hill's book, behind the doors of justice, which also proved a tale of two stories. >> how much money did you make off that book? >> roughly around 100,000. >> guilty would sell more books. >> she was saying you might want a book because she needed a lake house and i needed to retire. a guilty verdict would sell more books. >> in the end, the judge concluded hill didn't change the outcome, but did cross a line. >> i find that the clerk of court is not completely credible as a witness. miss hill was attracted by the siren call of celebrity. >> our thanks to sam brock for that. and still to come on the next hour of chris jansing reports, the surprise announcement by the house sergeant at arms. which member of congress could
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