excited every time. he never told me he was coming and didn't show up. he would always show up, and we would get straight to work. it was a respect thing, and the thing about excitement, we were both excited to make the music. >> now, i got 30 seconds left. rap fans love to talk about top five g.o.a.t., this and that. do you have to stay out of all those conversations because you worked with everyone? >> you know, i guess when i'm at home, i might play one more than the other. like sometimes, but i'm just a fan of the music. it's not a competition thing for me. it's like certain songs that certain artists do put me in a certain zone. >> respect. we talked about a lot of different people. when you look at music, sometimes it's the people behind the scenes or not always on the stage, producing and putting in the work that create the soundtracks to our lives. good luck this weekend. hit boy. that does it for us on "the beat." "the reidout" with joy reid is up next.

tonight on "the reidout" -- >> the whole thing is ludicrous. to be honest, i don't think they're really into each other. i think it's a publicity stunt. and she is going to use all of this popularity potentially against maga and for democrats. she's got a record of this stuff. >> oh, no, the right is in full meltdown over it couple taylor swift and travis kelce and when young white wim under 30 trending leftward, the maga right has a reason to be concerned. >> also, a new investigation revealed prison labor is behind some of the most popular food products that make their way to your dinner table. plus, president biden says he has decided on a response to the deaths of three u.s. soldiers in jordan. the mother of one of those soldiers, specialist breonna moffett, joins me tonight.

>> but we begin tonight with donald trump. the republican front-runner for the republican presidential nomination. the party has put all of their chips behind this man who was found liable for violating e. jean carroll physically and for defaming her. he's accused of falsifying records to silence an adult film star he allegedly had an affair with. his company was found guilty of defrauding new york taxpayers. he's accused of stealing american secrets, carting him off to his mansion in florida, lying about it to the fbi, and blabbing about the state secrets to anyone who would listen. he's accused of fomenting a violent coup. he and his family took in millions of dollar from places like china and north korea, and he delivered the death blow to reproductive rights for every woman in america. that's the resume of the likely republican nominee. to say this man is at his moment

of maximum legal peril is an understatement. donald john trump is facing serious repercussions including financial liquidation and potential time behind bars. but rnc chair ronna romney-mcdaniel and elise stefanik are circling the wagons around him anyway. according to jake sherman of punchbowl news, congressman stefanik, a former george w. bush staffer and paul ryan aide, walked into a closed house republican meeting, waving a rasmusal poll which is notoriously right wing leaning and proclaimed trump the winner of the nomination and probably the election, stating all house republicans should bend the knee to their emperor. these people are so committed to trump, he's been able to get two of his super pacs funded by donations from his working class fans to pay for his legal defense to the tune of $50 million according to two sources who spoke with "the new york times." we talk about this every day.

but it's not really surprising that everyone within his party is making his re-election their only priority. congressional republicans have completely capitulated to him and given up on their primary professional responsibility, which is delivering tangible things for an evenly divided america that really did elect joe biden in 2020. yet, what have house republicans accomplished with their majority? they have launched an impeachment inquiry into president biden and an investigation of his son. they heard from witnesses behind closed doors who repeatedly told them that joe biden did nothing wrong and contradicted the whole premise of their investigation. they continue to push their anti-abortion tactics scrounging for ways to force wim in red and blue states to give birth at the state's command, even if they have been victims of incest or rape. and they're all in on scaring their voters about immigration and the southern border. the issue that many say fueled trump's 2016 election and return to the 2018 midterms, the 2022

midterms and the upcoming elections in november. for months, house republicans have insisted they could only support aid to ukraine if it was paired with tougher border security. they have accused biden of not doing enough. and when he called their bluff and agreed to do more, they waffled. because donald trump doesn't want anybody, especially joe biden, to sign something that would actually work to solve a problem. speaker johnson says that whatever the former president wants, he gets. and that includes a long promised impeachment of homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. the first time in nearly 150 years that the house will try to remove a member of the president's cabinet. republicans in the hearing which is ongoing are accusing him of dereliction of duty after he spent weeks negotiating a bipartisan immigration deal that house republicans are rejecting out of hand. make it make sense, people. long story short, it's politics. >> your own party is sabotaging and undermining this

administration's efforts to address the border while you're trying to impeach him by saying they're not addressing the border. the hypocrisy is the least of it. your attack on the rule of law and on democracy is the worst of it. and you better be careful about the bed that you make. >> the donald trump and maga plan is alligator motes, bombing northern mexico, shooting migrants in the legs, and electrifying the fence and putting spikes on them. that's the donald trump border plan. this is all about trying to get donald trump re-elected. >> i think another saying appropriately describes what's going on here. and that's just shoveling the same old [ bleep ] and calling it sugar. and that's not what the people want us to do. >> joining me now is congressman robert garcia of california, member of the house homeland security and oversight committees and matthew dowd, former republican strategist and

msnbc senior political analyst. thank you for being here. congressman, i'll start with you. this is marjorie taylor greene explaining why secretary mayorkas must be impeached. >> the claims aren't baseless. secretary mayorkas has willfully broken federal immigration laws. he's also violated his oath of office. we have a record number of children, migrant children who are lost in this country. also, he ended many policies, he's paroling people by the millions en masse into our country. instead of coming to congress, we're the lawmakers. we make the laws. secretary mayorkas on his own has violated federal immigration law. >> your thoughts? have millions of people been paroled into the united states? what is she talking about? >> first, marjorie taylor greene is insane. and this whole impeachment effort is the marjorie taylor greene and donald trump show. it's been marjorie taylor greene who has filed both impeachment

documents on president biden and of course on secretary mayorkas. this is all because of her. she's pushing this, and she's taking donald trump's words. the truth that people forget is migration has been going up when the donald trump presidency started. in the last year of the trump presidency, migration increased threefold. and that's because all the crises happening in venezuela, ecuador, across the southern hemisphere. we have a challenge at the border. democrats do actually want to solve the issue. the president has proposed solutions. but donald trump is now saying he doesn't want a bill. he doesn't want -- >> he wants to run on it. >> he wants to create chaos and dysfunction. we're trying to push back. we need a solution. he wants none. >> you said marjorie taylor greene is behind the impeachments of president biden and alejandro mayorkas. let me read you some of the other impeachments. there's apparently the republicans would like to impeach kamala harris. they would like to impeach, of course, secretary mayorkas. merrick garland of the doj, they

would like to impeach christopher wray, lloyd austin, antony blinken, transportation secretary pete buttigieg. that's a lot of impeachments. who is it that wants to impeach this entire group of people? >> they want to impeach taylor swift even though she's not in the government. >> if they could. >> marjorie taylor greene is behind most of those. but this is the far right maga wing that's taken over the republican party. they have essentially been given the keys to the entire clown show. marjorie taylor greene, matt gaetz, lauren boebert. mike johnson has no ability to control his conference. he knows that. he's providing these opportunities for them to get crazy. >> is it as simple as donald trump is mad that he got impeached twice so he wants impeachment attached to joe biden somehow? >> not only does he want impeachment for joe biden, he wants to win. everything the republicans do in the house, including this impeachment effort against the secretary, is all about helping donald trump and hurting joe biden. >> matthew, let me bring you in

here. you live in texas. the other side of this is that one of the strategies apparently that donald trump has to win is to essentially stoke a war between the state of texas and for federal government. you had republican governors essentially daring the federal government to do what the federal government is authorized by the constitution to do, which is enforce immigration laws. you have these barbed wire fences across the rio grande because there's water, you can't build a wall. they're putting barbed wire fences. people are drowning in them. they're saying you can't stop people from drowning. this idea that donald trump needs an actual civil war to get re-elected, your thoughts as a texan? >> well, first of all, i mean, one of the things i'm amazed at is this is all being led by people who claim they're christians. that's what's amazing to me. these people that put on the mantle of christianity. i guess they skipped every passage in the bible that talks about how we treat immigrants. they forgot all that and concentrate on part of the old

testament they think is applicable to them. this is donald trump, his playbook. we have seen in the in the history of our country before. every time something happened, they want to blame the other. it was african americans for centuries, latinos for centuries, chinese americans for decades. now it's just this new band of like let's blame the immigrants for the problems of our country, and therefore, we're going to identify somebody who doesn't look like us. the thing i find interesting in this, all these people pushing for texas seceding and becoming a separate country, i think they're putting on the pause button because they realized they may lose their social security checks if they do that. in the course of this, which is actually like, whoa, wait a second, maybe we shouldn't do this. i'm going to lose the check i get from the federal government every month. but this is to me an awful poisonous part of our nation's history that donald trump has dug back up and given power to. and that is aim every one of your problems at an immigrant.

>> yeah, and let me play for you, because the way it's being described, and first, i would love for you to explain since you know lots of republicans, why anyone would want to be vice president to donald trump when the last vice president he actually was cool with that guy being hung. but nonetheless, they persist. here's one of the aspirants to that job, that very dangerous job. tim scott, and i just want you all to listen to the way he described the trump era and why people like him want to get back to it. >> myself and all the supports who support donald trump support a return to normalcy as it relates to what affects their kitchen table. the average person in our country, they're not talking about lawsuits. as a matter of fact, their perception that the legal system is being weaponized against donald trump is actually increasing his poll numbers. >> so he described the trump era as normalcy, matthew.

he was being asked why he can support someone who has been adjudicated of sexual assault and owes $83.3 million to the person he defamed. >> well, i mean, the fundamental thing, problem here is the complete lack of courage by anyone in the republican party. they have to twist themselves into pretzels in order to come up with a rationale of why something applies to joe biden or the democrats but doesn't apply to donald trump or the republicans in the course of this. this is what's amazing to me. and i will remind your viewers, joy, as you know, there are quite a few african americans who stood next to george wallace in the 1960s, that he brought out to say, oh, no, no, no, i'm all good, everything is good. look at these guys standing next to me. and i think tim scott, whether it's conscious or not, i think it's conscious, he's consciously allowing that to happen, and he knows the history of the country. he knows what donald trump's intentions are, but without

courage, any aspiration for fame and fortune and power, they think sitting next to donald trump is going to get them that. what they haven't realized is basically all that is taken when it's not to donald trump's betterment. >> may the ghost of fannie lou hamer haunt him forever. last one to you. the governor of florida used to be a member of congress. he voted against all sorts of things like social security. he's tried this experiment of trying to drive immigrants out of his state. it was a disaster for the construction agency. it was a disaster for the agricultural business. or the construction business and the agricultural business in the state of florida. do your friends on the other side of the aisle honestly think if you eliminated migrant labor that that wouldn't devastate the economy in the united states? it would literally be a catastrophic knife in the heart of the any. these are the people who pick the food, process the food, pluck the chickens and provide for the american people. >> they have no idea or clue how

much immigrants and people like myself who immigrated to the u.s. as a young kid have contributed to this country. i think about growing up, becoming a citizen. it's hard for immigrants to become u.s. citizens, to become legal residents, and we give back. we become members of congress and also do the hard work. we're doing exactly that. this country would collapse without immigrants taking care of what we put on the table every day. it's a shame the way they're demonizing immigrants. the fact donald trump is saying we poison the blood of this country is so sick, should be turning everyone off. immigrants contribute greatly. donald trump, marjorie taylor greene, mike johnson want to demonize us and it's going to backfire. >> immigrants start more businesses, are overrepresented in military service, small businesses. you name it. >> and commit less crimes. >> and commit crimes at lower rates. without them, as a daughter of immigrants myself, this country would collapse. they don't want the smoke they think they want.

robert garcia, matthew dowd, thank you. up next, exposing one of corporate america's dirty secrets. in addition to using migrant labor that they pay low wages, the use of prison labor to supply some of america's most well known restaurants, grocery stores and retail chains. "the reidout" continues after this. was a bad idea. what! we could find a better gift on etsy's new gift mode. oh! can i see that? ♪ happy birthday... ♪ it's a people cake! don't panic. gift easy with gift mode, new on etsy.

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america was built on and became an enormously rich nation because of slavery. and when the south lost the civil war and slavery was abolished, america found a loophole to actually keep forced labor legal. the 13th amendment states that, quote, neither slavery nor involuntary servitude except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted shall exist wins the united states. so no more slavery, unless we put you in jail. as the associated press notes, the racial makeup of prison populations changed almost overnight after the civil war. in tennessee, during slavery, less than 5% of the prisoners were black. in 1866, after emancipation, that number jumped to 52%. and by 1891, it had skyrocketed to 75%. as black codes created an increasingly creative reason to put black men mostly but also black women in jail for things like being unemployed. and the country continued to be

built by free labor. with major companies like the tennessee coal, iron, and railroad company later bought by u.s. steel making fortunes off it. fast forward to today, a disproportionate number of those incarcerated are still people of color and the united states incarcerates more people than in any other country in the world. 2 million and counting. and now an associated press report has found u.s. prison labor from all sectors has morphed into a multi-billion dollar empire, with goods linked to u.s. prisoners in the supply chains of a dizzying array of products from frosted flakes cereal and ballpark hotdogs to gold medal flour and coca-cola on the shelves of virtually every supermarket in the country. prisoners are among america's most vulnerable laborers. if they refuse to work, some can jeopardize their chance of parole or solitary confinement. they're also excluded from

protections guaranteed to almost all full-time workers. the a.p. reached out for comment to the companies it identified as having connections to prison labor, but most did not respond. cargill, acknowledged by a small fractions of goods from prison farms and said it was in the process of determining appropriate remedial action. mcdonald's said it would investigate links to forced labor, with general mills pointing to policies restricting suppliers from forced labors with whole foods saying they don't allow that in their products. bunj said it had sold all facilities that were sourcing from forced labor. joining me is paul butler, professor at georgetown school of law, and msnbc legal analyst. paul, thank you for being here. i'm going to put back up this list of companies. it's dizzying, you go on and on and on.

there's almost no company you can think of that's not using this labor. >> this is a historic practice. the 13th amendment abolished slavery other than as punishment for a crime. the senate judiciary committee came up with that language. there's no discussion about why, but we know that during this time it was common for convicted criminals to be sentenced to incarceration plus hard labor. the other thing we understand is the economic incentive, the 13th amendment abolished the free labor that for so long the united states economy depends on. so there had to be some substitute. what a great book on this issue calls slavery by another name, and joy, sometimes the connection is super direct. so angola, louisiana, goes from being a huge plantation with hundreds of enslaved black people working for free, to what's now the largest maximum security prison in the country,

with thousands of mainly black men working not for free in the field, to start out working for free, then you get 2 cents an hour. you can work your way up to 40 cents an hour. >> it is, and i think for a lot of people, there's this seamless, we get low cost goods and we take for granted that we like low cost goods. if you had to pay people a living wage to do what these prisoners are doing, everything you buy would be more expensive because the companies would pass the cost on to you. is there anything people can do to fight back? we know there are pushes for reparations. for older companies like u.s. steel and others that enriched themselves off slave labor. when a prisoner gets out, are they entitled to any legal recourse for being used this way? >> not at all because it's constitutional based on the 13th amendment. there's a project now to get that punishment clause deleted from the 13th amendment in order to amend part of the

constitution. there has to be a two-thirds vote of the congress, both the house and senate. and then three-quarters of the states have to ratify that. unfortunately, when people proposed that in congress, it doesn't go anywhere. i think what's more practical is that states can require that inmates be paid minimum wage. the average now is less than a dollar an hour. in some states, the deductions, pay roll deductions for things like room and board and court costs. >> what? >> that is insane, yes. >> i know there's some states that are trying to remove, because some states have this language in their state constitution as well, alabama and some other states have taken it out. does removing it from a state constitution make any difference at all? >> it makes a symbolic difference. so about 20 states have these clauses in their own state constitutions. a lot of states have gotten rid of those. but the work around is supposedly these are volunteer positions.

but there's nothing like an internship obviously. >> it did give me ron desantis when people said this is good job skills training. no, you're in prison. you don't have a choice. you're locked up and have to do the labe or you could end up in solitary, and the way convict leasing in the past was used, black codes included things like vagrancy, speaking in a rude way to a white person. you could go to prison for five years. stealing a pig, five years. and you get labor for free. >> we can look at california where inmates are used to fight wildfires. there was a black woman sentenced to three years. she had three months left. she gets sent to fight fires in malibu, saving the houses of rich people. she dies on the job. not eligible for workman's compensation, for any kind of relief. >> it's one of those things about the constitution that we ought to know, but a lot of people don't know. paul butler, always a pleasure. up next, republicans try to

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if you tuned in to any conservative media or scrolled through elon's x twitter in the past few days you may have seen the latest conspiracy that has the far right absolutely losing their minds. that there's a secret government operation working to psychologically manipulate the american public into voting democrat in the next election. and the person at the center of the siopis none other than taylor swift. this theory has been circulated for months now amid the explosion of swift's popularity, but it spiraled out of control this weekend after the kansas city chiefs won a spot in the super bowl. a team that swift's boyfriend, travis kelce, just so happens to play for. combine swift's mega influence with the fact kelce has done ads for the pfizer vaccine and took a knee in support of colin kaepernick, and somehow it's just an orchestrated plot to get biden re-elected.

you have people like vivek ramaswamy suggesting that the super bowl will be rigged to favor an artificially propped up couple who he believes will reveal something in the fall and saying this. >> america's pop star celebrity sweetheart joins forces with the top dog in the nfl, playing for the team that's going to the super bowl. i mean, let's be real here. this is bread and circuses on steroids. major league sports in and of itself is nothing but a psy op. imagine if people were as dedicated to jesus as professional sports. >> that's real, not snl. coming from the camp that brought you pizza gate and the lie, but it might be worth asking, why are they so obsessed with taylor swift. in 2016, swift was unwittingly made into an icon by the alt-right. white supremacists adopted her as their aryan goddess, claiming

she espoused far right beliefs and was waiting for donald trump to get elected to make her true views known. it was quite the opposite. it was in 2018 when swift first delved into politics, endorsing two democrats in tennessee including the opponent of marsha blackburn, a moment she talked about in her netflix documentary, ms. americana, saying she has to be on the right side of history. and she didn't stop there. in 2019, swift wholly denounced her alt-right fan base, telling rolling stone, there's literally nothing worse than white supremacy. it's repulsive. there should be no place for it. and in 2020, she lashed out at trump for his rhetoric against protesters following the killing of george floyd. tweeting that trump has been stoking the fires of white supremacy and racism his entire presidency. and not too long after, she endorsed joe biden and kamala harris. since then, she has encouraged her massive fan base to vote, forming a partnership with

vote.org which registered more than 35,000 voters after swift posted on social media in september. and we all know there's nothing that scares republicans more than eligible voters actually voting in elections. but now, ahead of another likely trump versus biden election, conservatives are throwing anything at the wall to justify their hatred of swift. fox seems to hate her so much that they even admitted climate change is rule. and newsmax host greg kelly said this about her fan base. >> they're elevating her to an idol. idolatry. this is a little bit what idolatry, i think, looks like. you're not supposed to do that. in fact, if you look it up in the bible, it's a sin. >> ha, it's rich. coming from the party that is basically worshipped donald trump as the second coming. let's not forget that just a couple weeks ago, trump was playing a video before his iowa rallies called god made trump, that likens him to jesus. perhaps what's really behind the

right's panic is simple. they're jealous. the republican party has completely lost its grip on american culture. for years now, all the big celebrities, bruce springsteen, beyonce, jay-z, have thrown their support behind democrats while maga is stuck with people like vanilla ice and one of the teenage muten ninja turtles. just listen to what alt-right activist said about it today. >> we don't have a taylor swift on our side, but you know who we have? kid rock, ted nugent, influencers. >> ah, yes, i'm sure kid rock will really rally the base. there's also another pragmatic reason they're so scared of the swift effect. we'll tell you about that next. customize and save with libberty bibberty. liberty bushumal. libtreally blubatoo. mark that one. that was nice! i think you're supposed to stand over there. oh am i? thank you. so, a couple more? we'll just...we'll rip. we'll go quick.

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millennial and white. in other words, a lot like taylor swift herself. she grew up in suburban philadelphia before moving to nashville, tennessee. in the 2022 midterms white women overall skewed republican. but a brookings analysis found a generation gap, a majority of younger white women 18 to 44, millennials and gen z, preferred democrats in 2022. while their older counterparts heavily went republican. with abortion rights on the ballot again this year, younger women of all races are poised to heavily sway the election, and taylor swift could make the republicans young woman problem even worse. we already know how she feels about the end of abortion rights in america. the day the supreme court overturned roe, swift tweeted a message from former first lady michelle obama and told her 100 million followers that she was absolutely terrified that this is where we are. joining me now is cornell belcher, democratic strategist, pollster, and msnbc political analyst. cornell, thank you for being

here. and i don't go if you're a taylor swift fan, but i know you know elections. to me, the kind of last pin that could fall for republicans among, you know, white voters, it's young voters. that's the group that is trending away from them. is that the reason for their fear, young white women turning away from them? >> i'm going to prove i'm a taylor swift fan and say they need to shake it off, joy. shake it off. >> i don't know any taylor swift songs. i literally have to say i accept that whatever you said is going to make her fan base super happy. >> it's a pretty popular taylor swift song. that said, what you hit on is the trail line that is most problematic for republicans. they are increasingly losing younger white voters in the suburbs. if you add education, higher education, the higher education, the younger, these white voters

are, the more they're rejecting republicans. but look, it is about the issues. in the end, they shouldn't be mad at taylor swift and younger white voters. they should be mad at themselves for having all these issues that go against where they are, from choice to the environment to the minimum wage. issue after issue after issue, these younger voters are making -- are choosing in fact the party that they see more aligned with their side. and another thing i have to say about this. they are losing the culture wars, joy. that's part and parcel of the problem. them hating on and attacking taylor swift as someone who quite frankly is one of the most popular young people in the country, someone whose tour crossed a billion dollars. >> in the world. yeah. >> her and beyonce represent something that i think shakes them at their foundation. these young, powerful,

independent women with great influence. and i think it's something that shakes them to their core so they're afraid of these young, powerful, influential young women, but these young women, taylor swifts and beyonces of the world, they're going to change the world. they're going to speak out against what they don't feel is right and of course they're going to use their influence to change the world. >> i mean, the thing about it, i really respect the fact that, there was a time when people who were popular pop stars wouldn't even delve into politics. taylor swift is unafraid. like, she's felt badly about not really coming out in 2016 and saying anything when the alt-right was making her their alt-right goddess. she's like, i'm not down with that. these are young women espousing what the right are afraid of. she's her own woman, a boss, a billion dollar woman. between her and beyonce, $1.5 billion. throw in barbie, a billion dollar movie. it isn't a way in the aftermath of roe kind of the year of the woman. and if young women who, of

course, they don't want to lose their bodily autonomy and be slaved to the state. if she's their avatar, like you said, that's not her fault. that's their fault. >> well, and listen. i do think if these young women didn't feel so threatened by the extreme right and sort of losing their rights, losing their autonomy, they wouldn't be speaking out. i don't think that this is a different brand so much of young women in the spotlight than we had a generation or two generations ago. i think the threat for them and their rights that donald trump and maga republicans present is just different and it's realer than it was. it's realer than it was in the '90s and '80s. >> let's talk quickly on the other side. biden is having challenges with his base. there's a lot, i feel like every four years, we get the black men are going to turn on the democrats and the same 11% vote for republicans, and the media

loves this story. how seriously should the democrats take the challenges? because black men do have some concerns that are legitimate and they should be heard. how much of a peril are black men's feelings toward the democrats and biden in november? >> joy, this is a conversation i wish we had an hour to dive into. >> let's do it. >> there's so much foolishness to unpack here. i as a black man am quite frankly offended at all these stories coming out talking about how black men are breaking republican. the man who is attacked, you know, who has attacked black people and brown people at every turn, the man who has been as racist and divisive as any we have ever seen, all of a sudden is going to win more black votes than bush, than reagan, than any of these other republicans. it is actually insulting to black men. now, that said, to your point,

if you go back over four decades, the percentage of black men voting republican is actually, and i tweeted about this last month, is fairly consistent. and the truth of the matter is while they keep trying to separate black men from black women, i have a problem with that, is that black men actually vote more in line with their women than almost any other demographic group. now, that said, does biden have to do work for african american votes? yes. he does. he has to bring them back in line. if you look at where biden is most off, he's not the most off with white voters and suburban voters or college educated white voters. he's off 20, 30 points among his base voters, back to taylor swift. when you look at young voters, latino voters and african american voters, that's where he has to make up the most ground. >> you have to earn votes every time you run. every time. cornell, thank you. we're going to do this conversation again. thank you very much, my brother.

appreciate you. i'll be joined next by the parents of sergeant breonna moffett, one of the soemg soldiers who lost their lives this weekend in the drone strike in jordan. drone strike in jordan.

>> today president biden made it clear he holds iran responsible for the drone attack that killed three u.s. soldiers at a base in jordan. >> yes.

>> [inaudible] >> i do hold responsible in the sense supplying the weapons to the people of, the people who did it. >> along with the soldier deaths, more than 40 other service members were injured following an on crude attack near the syrian border. yes for may have mistaken enemy drone for an american drone, letting it on pass unchallenged. the three killed, started william, rivers sale specialist kennedy, sanders and sergeant briana moffat. they announced the posthumous promotion of kennedy sanders and specialist briana moffat to the rank of sergeant and recognition of their exceptional courage, dedication, and leadership. joining me now, francine and personnel moffat, the parents

of sergeant briana moffat. francine and purcell moffat, thank you for being here. my deepest and then once it's on behalf of the show. >> thank you. >> of course. let me start with you, francine. so i know from my producer, looking at your background that you actually were the first woman in your family to join the united states military. you served as well. and your daughter was the second. tell us about your daughter and what inspired her other than yourself to serve. >> she's always had her own opinion and she just always was an amazing person. she was in rotc and high school in her mentors were -- and -- she always looked up to them as well. wanted to inspire her to the military as well.

>> and what was her dream, her goal, long term? >> she after this tour she wanted to do one more reenlistment so she could become sergeant. and then her long term she wanted to do medical, who want to go to the medical field. she also wanted to do real estate part-time. >> mr. purcell, can you tell the world something you would like them to know about your daughter? >> that she was a great person. she was kind. she loved music. she really loved music. she liked drums. >> let me ask you, mrs. moffat, and i hate to bring this to you, but congressman from your state, reggie taylor greene, and i apologize for having to ask you this question, but she is trying to speak for your daughter and saying that your

daughter and the other two brave troops who died would have referred to be at the southern border rather than doing what they are they're doing. what is your response to that? >> no one could speak for my daughter. >> at all. >> other than me, her dad, or her siblings. so we just don't want anybody to tell her story, because marjorie taylor greene doesn't know her. >> nope. >> we know her. she may have rather been where she was. she may not want to be at the southern border. i can't answer that question. neither can marjorie taylor greene. she can't speak for her. >> mr. moffatt, you sounded like you wanted to say something as well. >> i agree with everything my wife said about my daughter. >> what do you hope happens next? there is a lot of fear that there will be an escalation because of this. we are 40 injured soldiers.

we're waiting to hear what the president will do. mrs. moffatt, what do you hope happens in terms of the middle east at this point? >> i guess i don't really have a real opinion. but i'm in support of president biden, whatever he thinks is best. >> yes. >> you agree, mr. moffat? >> yes. i agree. >> i'll just ask you, mrs. moffat, in addition to that, there is this thing where people like your daughter and the other two troops, they represent what the forces, brave young people, disproportionately black and brown, serving their country, who love their service. what do you want people to understand about what drives these young people to do what they do? you did it as well. >> i did. we want to see women in the

military, because the one thing about me, i never like when people walk up to us, my husband and i, and they just assume that it was my husband. we are in conservative military to. we can have power as much as -- men can have power. we can be just as strong as men. we can do the same things. and just -- we can serve as well. >> we are all the same, period. >> indeed. and we are also proud of your daughter, your family, of your service, and we're so sorry for your sacrifice. but thank you for your service, mrs. moffat. thank you both for being here tonight, and god bless you. our condolences. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> and that is tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on