against her family i competed a call to her cell phone, in which the guy is bringing up her daughters and saying he knows where they live. >> this is a phone call on her personal cell phone talking about willis's two daughters. >> let's cut to what i think is one of the most dramatic stories of this whole saga, the night of the indictment she announces a midnight press conference and they just learned that there was an assassination threat, the best time to shooters when she leaves the building. >> she goes back to our office, take supper business suit puts on sweats a baseball cap and then a body double puts on will associate and then leaves. willis is smuggled out the back of the building to an undisclosed location. >> all that can be found and

finally the votes. you can find that in bookstores not line right now. >> that is all in on tuesday night, all in starts right. now >> the body doubles are happening before any of the trials actually begun, which is the staggering part about all of this >> it's the ice beneath the water line. in terms of what this means for all the people that interact with it. this is happening to all of them. it's what it means to be holding up democracy in this day and age. you have to be prepared for a late night cell phone calls, threatening your family. thank you my friend. and thank you for joining us this hour. the matchup of the years set. it's a rematch of 2020. it's the same teams. it's the red team, versus the other red team. that is right. kansas city chiefs are set -- it's super bowl 58.

okay. all right. if you thought that was a wind up to the lightly battle between president biden and donald trump in 2024. it is also that to. and that is because, bear with me here, a segment of right-wing media is convinced that the kansas city chiefs qualified for the super bowl this year, it's actually a vast left-wing conspiracy. this plot all centers around the relationship between kansas city tight end travis kelce and superstar musician taylor swift. relationship the right wing now believes is actually a deep state conspiracy to elect joe biden. i'm not kidding. >> taylor swift, a government psyop? >> now it is possible that taylor schiff does not know that she is being utilized in a covert matter to swing voters.

>> a single instagram post that to 35,000 new voter registration. >> -- >> so doesn't. matter >> there is that poll where 18% would follow her endorsement. and three out of ten people would -- >> she just so happens to be dating kansas city chiefs tight end, travis kelce. that denies mr. pfizer, who's also won the super bowl. let's be real here, this is them on steroids. former presidential candidate and current trump described conspiracy this way. i wonder who's going to win the super bowl next month. and i wonder if there's a major presidential endorsement coming from an artificially propped up a couple this fall. chiraz >> first of, all the kansas city chiefs have made it of three of the last four super bowls. so, the fact that they made it again this year is not only not

a conspiracy, it's not even surprising. even the people who only watch football once a, year like me. but beyond, that thing is they tricked taylor swift to get political with a deep state psyop that idea ignores the verifiable reason that she decided to go public with her politics in the first place. here she is in the documentary, miss americana talking about why she made the first ever political statement in more than a decade. >> these are your dad celebrities near dads republicans. >> imagine if we came to and said hey, we have this idea that we could -- >> taylor shift comes out against trump. >> i don't care if they write that. >> trust his shift in 2018. our death that, seen taylor shift endorsed a democratic competitor marshall blackburn

and the tennessee senate race. swift knew that she could lose fans over that, but it wasn't about popularity. it wasn't because they spiked her copy. she got political because it seemed that she actually cared about the issues. here she is talking about why she couldn't support marsha blackburn in that senate race. >> it really is a big deal to me. she votes against fair pay for women. he votes against the reauthorization of the violence against women act, which is just basically protecting us from domestic abuse. stalking, stalking! she thinks that if you are a gay couple, or even if you look at the gay couple you should be allowed to be kicked out of a restaurant. it's basic human rights in its right and wrong at this point. i can't see another commercial and see her disguising with

these policies behind tennessee christian values. i live in tennessee, i'm christian. that's not what we stand for. that's right hala schiff waited in the politics. that's why in 2020 she endorsed joe biden for president. and as it turns out, getting political doesn't seem to have her tail shift. taylor swift has gone on what is arguably one of the most successful tours ever. all around the globe, she is selling at the biggest venues imaginable. her concerts are so popular the federal reserve said that her tour boosted the national economy. so, why can't the right believe that taylor ship is just naturally popular and naturally believes the things she believes. the hands of city chiefs got the super bowl, that is really good at football. why can't they believe that the two celebrities would actually

just want to date each other. well, usually when it's a conspiracy theory it's because they don't want to believe the truth. and this case, i think republicans in the trump team in particular don't want to believe how grossly unpopular their policies are. instead of changing, they are doubling down. we see it in poll after poll that upwards of 60% of americans support the return abortion. abortion access is incredibly popular. and, yet new reporting at politico today said that right-wing organizations are already drafting executive orders for trump to sign on day one. orders that would outlaw and barr americans from being able to get abortion medications in the mail. 57% of americans say they wouldn't vote for donald trump if he was convicted of a felony. rolling stone us out with new reporting this, week that donald trump is reporting to

have legal immunity for life. assuming he is reelected. the list goes on as they support the affordable care act. trump says he wants to appeal it. the majority of americans didn't support the tax cuts, trump says he wants to pass a new round of them if he is reelected. republicans don't want to own up to the reality that the air ideas are hugely unpopular. what they are doing right, now today is making their party more and more unpopular every day. so, rather than accept the reality the right has created its own reality. i'm doing so the right is telling on itself and it's not just a stand-alone conspiracy, this is part of the big lie. they are claiming if they lose, if trump loses it's not because the party dug itself into a hole because tissues a deep

state asset. it's all rigged. because the famously liberal pentagon's rigging the famously liberal nfl. to go of us and venezuelans flipping the votes. italian satellites hacking the vote come on, to paraphrase his shift. i'm sorry republicans, but you are the problem, it's you. joining me now is opinion columnist an msnbc political analyst, michelle goldberg. michelle, there is so much to talk about here and first of all i am not a professor of sociology and american -- when you are fighting the nfl until a shift, you are losing this is just part of the republican party in the conservatives as they've taken this apocalyptic turn as they believe that americans desperate decline and they're losing purchase over american institutions. they've turned against all

sorts of institutions. you hear them talk about the military being weak and what they want to dismantle the fbi. it's not the first time they've turned on the f f l. they turn during the george floyd protest there are the anger to travis kelce for advertising the pfizer vaccine so i think there are two things going on here on the one hand they have this oppositional defiant disorder to anything that is popular outside of their own milieu but because taylor's with and travis kelce sort of exemplify the hype of american couple that they think should be there's the fact that they're not and people like -- that we don't know travis kelce's politics are but i can't imagine that any of this has endured the republican party to him. but the fact that people like

this one nothing to do with them feels like such a slap in the face. it's immediately the inverse of how we felt when kanye west decided that he liked hitler. >> kanye west in his artistry aside i know there are a lot of you fans in the world we are talking about delta airlines the super bowl the nfl i mean it not only is bad politics and has a structural effect on the party. the smaller you make the republican cohort the larger you make the democratic tent. it's bad politics but good media strategy and that's what's driving the bus this day in the party. the republican party now is driven by these media personalities's interest is obviously not in policy. in some cases it's not even really in winning elections

it's an clout and by going after taylor swift they drive a lot of clicks we're here talking about everyone's talking about it. and they even sort of burrow in a dark way some of her reflected glory because they're saying the words taylor swift. they've inserted themselves into the taylors of narrative. and it's not just about this narrative being clickbait. it also speaks to a larger central to the republican politics. says if they don't understand why women and young women are fleeing from the party as they harass taylor swift. and at the same time quite substantively are making plans to outlaw and curtail the reproductive freedom of women all over the country. >> well i think taylor shift in a lot of ways exemplifies this why they're so angry at women. you have this person who has

this very wholesome seeming background as a christian from tennessee is a country music star and then as she matures and learns things for herself develops the same sort of political ideas that a lot of young women develop and they're confronted with the various restrictions of the patriarchy and writes a song if i were a man about all the double standards that she's faced and so they see her as this -- even though her songs she sings mostly about romance in conventional heterosexual relationships. the fact that she is single was single and unapologetic she is the person in this relationship with the bigger career. whatever some football fans

seem to think. it and rages them because she is a symbol to them of neurotic women who refused to conform to traditional roles. >> i agree that the economics independents is one thing but i do think that your first point about how she represents the trail. she's dating the football star she's dating the tight end. they're going to the super bowl. i mean this is red state america and she is denying them that went by being unabashedly progressive democratic and that to them must be destroyed. i gotta ask you because as listening to as just podcasts and he had simon rose park and they're talking about with the democratic party has become and for all intensive purposes the democratic party is a fiercely united proposition for

democrats and i think it's terrible in the way that the personality around trump falls apart when he's gone when you think about it this way and i think with everybody who is worried about what happens in 2024 what has been built here by both republicans and democrats is a coalition focused on policy not on one particular person that is incredibly incensed and engage with what the republican party has become. >> count me as someone who is worried about 2024 but i also think it's true that as much as the democrats can be the party of normal people. we are taylor swift it's like it's all people and there was some conservative influence that said we have tevin kid rock. i think that says it all scott bail you're missing scott bio.

when you forsake disney, a slight taylor swift football delta airlines interesting on scott bio kid rock shooting at the case of bud light i think that is a sign of the times michelle. thank you for joining me tonight. we have lots to get to this evening including president biden's our tally asian and what exactly that means donald trump's financial fate. it's in the hands of a judge in new york as new information emerges about the trunk organizations messy financial records. we will have more on that just millions of children weare fighting to survive just ahead d >>

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seen the cash we've got a lot of cash in excess of 400 million in cash. >> $400 million, that is how much available cash he said his business had as of last spring. there's no way to verify that figure and there's no particular reason we should believe mr. trump. but one thing we do know is that we may need at least that much money or more to pay for the verdict he is facing in multiple courtrooms. he is now on the hook for 83 point $3 million which the -- for defaming her and at any moment we could have a judgment

and trump's civil fraud trial where the new york attorney general is asking for him to be fined 300 and $70 million. the judge in that case has already found that trump committed fraud and has even suggested that he may force trump to liquidate his businesses as part of his ultimate verdict. as we await that judgment we are learning more about mr. trump's questionable business practices. and outside monitor appointed named barbara jones has just found several issues with trump's business practices. including missing disclosures math errors in questions about a 48 billion dollar loan between mr. trump and one of his companies. issues of that outside monitors says may reflect a lack of adequate internal controls joining me now is justice department reporter and coauthor of the trump trials newsletter. also with me is former federal prosecutor christine greenberg.

christine the new york times reports on this barbara jones finding questionable business practices accounting practices adequate internal controls. they say this is precisely the data point that the judge may fixate on if you will to really call for trump to be fined a sizable amount of money. do you think that is an accurate analysis? >> i think it goes to other this lifetime ban this corporate to whether not this should be a real estate again. so judge jones now the independent monitor is saying that you don't actually have a compliance department. you never did an internal investigation. the ceo faux fled to fraud. he aided in the bed of the fraud didn't fire him.

instead he gave him miss handsome severance package to not -- all of these errors, all of these disclosures that are incomplete or inconsistent. you don't have a framework that i can feel confident that you are not gonna continue to do this if i don't have my oversight. given the fact that they haven't fixed anything about how their organization is set up. these internal controls are >> if you have deem that the trump organization has committed fraud and in the current day is still sort of practicing fast and loose accounting schemes, then potentially you say that it's time to hang it up and go home the ap as a really interesting report on how unusual it would be for a judge to order something like that in this case given the fact that there is not a showing of obvious victims and major losses. and ap announced this of nearly

70 years of civil cases under the law show that such a penalty has only been opposed a dozen previous times and trump's case stands apart in a significant way. the only big business found those thread with a shutdown without a showing of obvious victims in major losses. >> this is the argument that trump's lawyers have been making to the court. >> it absolutely is and it speaks to a basic disconnect between what the court system, including the independent monitors drawing attention to. and the way the trump organization has worked for decades. that is the trump organization is in some ways a multi million dollar organization that operates like a mom and pop grocery store and a lot of what the independent monitor is flagging is the fact that this is not a large company that behaves like a large company.

it's a company that behaves like a family small business and she is finding what she thinks are problems in their accounting but the trump organization is saying it applies this is nonsense you're focusing on petty things and it's unfair and that is the basic conflict in the issue. >> they've also said that barbara jones is basically making a case to continue using the services and that we're not doing a good job. >> this makes no sense. just taking a step back, he is the independent monitor. >> she was a great upon by both parties. a former federal judge. i think in the papers one of trump's lawyer said that she was like from layman's. this obsessive police officer who was seeking to go after. it's not like donald trump's

valjean a solo for brett he is engaged in persistent fraud that is known by the judge. this idea of a nine judge john she's independent she's not an either side she's calling like she sees it i do think when we talk about the penalty here the ending of the trump business in new york would be a devastating blow to his ego and his pocketbook this is not the only hit that he is taking. he spent $50 million in donor money on legal bills. i know you're reporting on a lot of these trials but given how prolong this calendar is getting how sustainable do you think this is from an inflow outflow perspective. think it's a really important point because i think what you are seeing is that we are right now in a moment where the legal cost of being donald trump are

eclipsing his political operation. up until now we have seen his political operation funding is legal bills including some of the penalties that are associated with this case. but when you see the 83 million dollar expected engoron decision which is likely to be a lot of money as well you are saying there is no way that the political operation can absorb the cost of those things. right now what we are seeing is very important because it's the moment when the cost of his political career is impacting his business life. he cares a great deal about the money so i hope people understand that this is now starting to bite in the way that his political career has never been in his business life before. and by the way i think the thing he feels the most is the pain in his wallet. more than the moral intricacies

of. it christine we talk about the road ahead and where the lawyers will be needed the most the federal election case against donald trump it's gone since december 13th. i think the hearing was on january 9th but some people thought this was a pro form exercise. like a ridiculous claim and it'll be over soon. we saw even gotten a decision when you talk about whether there might be a strategy and all of this and it seems almost certain that this isn't gonna happen in march. and every day goes by seems like it's not gonna happen in april either. >> i think we're looking at late spring. >> what spring? two >> is that when the clocks go forward and wondering shorts in new york. i think at that point hopefully this will have been before the supreme court and look at the supreme court decision so that late in the spring we have the trial i didn't think it would

be so quick i thought would be getting a decision from the d.c. court of appeals sometimes this month. so we're getting close to this point where you are hoping that they're gonna come out with a decision soon. look at the decision they know is going to be scrutinized. it's it decision in a matter of first impression they want to get it right. looking at three judges who are trying to be unanimous and i think the big thing is it what the ruling will be i do think that part is easy. maybe the reason it mean is different with how they get there. but ultimately the decision is at the end of a going to make sure that the normal rules before the entire court of appeals in 90 days to go before the supreme court. are they going to say those no decision will they short-circuit this so that they can say that their decision is on hold and they've ex amount

of time to petition for a full court of appeals. then we should be back on track to be in trial mode by late spring. very lawyer lee that you're not answering the question about spring. is that spring forward or shorts in new york? i will give it to you tonight, christine. but as time goes on, my patients will be tested. i'm devon barrett from the washington post. kristy greenberg, thank you for your time tonight. >> still ahead tonight, recent polling has suggested that biden support, within the voting bloc that helped send him to the white house, that support might be waning. one of the top leading surrogates with a plan to fix that. first, president biden wants to avoid a wider war in the middle east. but will the republicans let him? we will talk to peter baker about that, coming up next. about that, coming up next about that, coming up next >>

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october. for context there are thousands of american troops throughout this region. dating back to middle eastern conflicts the united states has been engaged in it for decades. at least 8000 troops are deployed for close to 3000 or jordan. 2500 iraq and 900 are in syria since the start of the war between israel and hamas some of those troops have been targeted more than 160 times. president biden has stated that there will be retaliation. the white house is clearly concerned about inflaming a volatile situation. i don't think we need a wider war in the middle east that's not what i'm looking for. >> republicans on the other hand do not share these concerns. on sunday the senator said that anything less than devastating military retaliation will confirm joe biden as a coward

unworthy. >> joining me now is chief white house correspondent. >> peter, thanks for being here tonight. shortly before we got on air, former president trump released a statement from the day joe biden surrendered, the world has gone to hell because everyone knows the occupant of this white house is weak, incompetent and corrupt. i'll urge people to go on the internet if they would like more. peter, can you talk a little bit more given the fact we've chronicle this administration so avidly. how does the shadow of afghanistan boom over the decision that biden has made today? >> of course it's the biggest and most important foreign policy he made in his first year in office. it's worth pointing out that what he was doing was executing that agreement that president

trump negotiated with the taliban to withdraw from afghanistan. basically president biden was when president biden had already agreed to do. and doing so of course he said he wanted to stop the forever wars that we've been in for 20 samarth years since 9/11. course what we've seen is how hard it is to stay out of that. after the moss terrace tack, it shows that around the region they have been repeatedly fired at the only reason have been killed up until now is that the air defense is actually pretty good. that is to everybody's advantage. but the president has looked at this, instead a red line has gone across in american lives have been taken. he has to respond.

he's looking for that goldilocks solution, that's an analyst put it. it has to be tough enough to send some real messages around. not so hard that it triggers what he said he didn't want. >> there is some foreign policy saying that the u.s. is already engaged for israel, to what is being fought out with the houthis. >> i guess i wonder given the aggressive stance as it comes to the hoodies and the embrace between the u.s. israel, do you get the sense that the white house fully grasps the way the u.s. is perceived by arab partners and all of this? in terms of engagement already, prenatal in the deaths of these u.s. service personnel. >> yeah they are realistic about this. the region has never been an easy place for america to operate. they say they want to come along, pivot to asia. we've heard that for

administrations. the middle east sucks united states back in. it's a volatile place, unresolved conflicts in a place where you need to at the very least keep a lid on things. there is a -- there is a low level right now, it can be far worse. that's the fear of the situation. it's not that far away from developing a nuclear weapon if it chooses to go that far. if you have these proxy groups with more weapons and they view so far, it's 100,000 rockets -- and they are not right now. that's a worry that the united states has. there are negotiations going on right now they're coming back from the border, and trying to keep it from blowing up. you are. right there's no question that this is an ugly situation, certainly nothing easy. the united states finds itself once again in the struggling to

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>> -- -- was my childhood governor, and -- i ain't what i look like. >> part of what we are doing here is to talk about this new -- that south carolina. as i don't know if you understand this, but you are now the first in the nation, when joe biden decided to change this from iowa new hampshire to south carolina. he was telling you i see you, you matter, you count. >> now you think about what has happened. because in 2020, he had lost -- it was bad. we remember how bad it was. and many of us had given up all sense of hope. but it was the people here in this state, who went to the polls, march to the polls, and voted for joe biden.

because they need some sense of hope. >> we are back here in south carolina. we are faced with maga republicans. it doesn't matter if it's donald trump or nikki haley, there's no choice between those. we -- only have one choice, and folks we've got to do what we have always done. the superpower of the republican party is fear. they want to make you scared of everything. everything, your neighbor, your brother, your sister. who you, love how you love. they want to make you scared about everything. they believe that america's better days are behind, her instead of in front of her. but we, the democratic party, we are a party of hope. >> democratic national committee chair jaime harrison joins me next to talk more about president biden's ground game, and what's the road ahead looks like for democrats. like for democrats like she goes to work at three in the afternoon and sometimes gets off at midnight.

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you. south carolina! [applause] >> and my buddy jim clyburn, you brought me back. >> that was candidate joe biden the night of the 2020 south carolina primary, thanking black voters and democratic congressman jim clyburn forgiving his struggling campaign a decisive win. joe biden went on to win 87% of the black vote in that 2020 general election, and he is

hoping that four years later, history will repeat itself. this weekend, congressman clyburn joined president biden on the stump, asked president tries to shore up support from voters of color. nbc news polling in 2023 found that while black voters nationwide prefer biden over trump, 73% to 17%, support for president biden shrank to 60% among black voters under the age of 34. support for donald trump among the same group rose to 28%. joining me now is jaime harrison, chair of the dnc. mister chairman, thank you for being here. the last time i saw you was at the barbershop, nice to see you have a fresh trim. [laughter] it looks great. >> thank you, thank you. >> so first, we played a little bit of video from your event. before we get to the bigger picture from democrats, i think people all think of campaigning as these big arenas, like shouting crowds. that's what campaigning. -- right, it's like that

hand-to-hand, person to person, icu, you see me, we are here in this barbershop together. >> and that's the connection that is so important. and sad to say in 2020, despite a winning the presidency, 81 million people combined, i think joe biden would have had a much longer coattails have been able to do that. because covid prevented that from happening in. republicans continue to go out and communicate with folks, the democrats, we all retreated back into our homes to try to protect folks. but this time around, we know that we have to be on the ground. and what's important is to understand, and i hope people understand this, the dnc has been building for this moment since i was the dnc chair. because we knew that the next election was going to be a close one. >> you knew that donald trump was going to be running again to be the nominee? >> we knew that he wanted to come back. we knew that he wanted to come back. and so we knew that we had to build an infrastructure, an unprecedented level of infrastructure, in order to

compete and win a very close election. that is how we beat back the red wave. it is because we invested historic amount of money on the ground building border protection teams, building teams on the ground in the battleground states. and we have allowed that infrastructure to continue. and now, we are just going to build on. so once this primary process is done, it is a continuation of what we did in the midterms, will we did in 2023, and moving forward. and you see the contrast of the other side. the republicans, to rnc is in total chaos right now. i know you've seen the articles about that, they are broke, they are fighting amongst themselves. >> and they are fighting taylor swift. >> yes. [laughter] . >> i do have to ask you though, the numbers that we keep getting, we are talk about communities of color, black voters especially. i mean, they were critical to joe biden's success in 2020. there seems to be a real generational divide. i was at that barbershop, you had an engaged constituency, but they were almost exclusively older black voters.

do you see a problem here, with the way this campaign is reaching out to, or resonating with young black voters? >> i think this is something that in politics, and i think you see it in religion as well, is understanding that young people are getting their information in different ways, and young people are processing their support in a different way. they are not so much tied to institutions, but they are more aligned with what their values are. and so that is forcing the political parties to begin to change the way that they reach out to those folks. and so, the biden campaign understands, that that's why the 25 -- to begin to have those conversations on social, media in the mediums in which young people are. >> do you think it's just the medium? or do you think that there is a problem with the message? and i'll ask you specifically about the presidents support of israel and the war in gaza, which anecdotally and from some reporting has really hurt him in really important communities of color. whether they are arab american, black american. people who have been

historically oppressed, who see palestinians as oppressed as well, and do not like the position this president has taken. >> well i think when you think about where the president is, for him, he is putting on his hat as commander-in-chief, and he has to do what's in the best interest of our security as a country, and also our partnership with our allies. and so sometimes politically, that may not always be the most -- thing. but at the end of the day, we have to understand that these elections are about contrast. and the president often says, don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. we know under donald trump, this is a man who from day one, wants to put a muslim ban. from day one, believes he should be a dictator. from day one, believes that immigrants are poisoning the blood of america. joe biden is a good man, he's a decent man, he is always going to try to do the right thing, based off of his experience, and the wisdom that he has, and the relationships that he has. and so, he is also engaging

with the communities that want different policies. to say listen, i want to hear from you. i want to talk with you, i want to figure out ways that we can work together, in order to move this forward. and that's why we are so fortunate to have him as president, as opposed to someone who is just focused on retribution or payback. >> someone who is decidedly not going down to barbershops and talking to voters about what they care about, decidedly not talking about his actual policy chances in a substantive way. jaime harrison, it was a treat to run into you in south carolina, look what we did with that chance. >> come back to south carolina. >> come back to my -- anytime, it >> is great to see you. >> thank. >> that is our show for tonight. now, it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. >> good evening alex. and here we are, on day let's see well, friday to now. not a word from donald trump about e. jean carroll. afraid, afraid