shelbital cot, thank you for joining us. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us. "morning joe" starts right now. >> i don't know if you've seen this, but there is some serious crazy talk about the taylor swift and joe biden going around. this is one of those things you expect to hear it from a couple nuts and then it disappears. but if anything, it is picking up steam. the not too swifties got started with tweets like this, nfl totally rigged for the chiefs, taylor swift, mr. pfizer, all to spread propaganda, swift comes out at the halftime show and endorsing joe biden with kelce admit field. so let me get this straight. the same people who believe joe biden has dementia and needs kamala harris to feed himtapioc believe that there is a scheme

to fix the nfl playoffs so the biggest pop star in the world can pop up on the jumbotron in the super bowl to hypnotize her 11-year-old fans into voting for joe biden. >> that is some whacky stuff. >> but maga world continues to melt down over taylor swift and travis kelcekelce's relationshi we'll have more on that. >> this cannot be real. taylor swift, you know, this is what i heard from the bozos back in was it 20 today, of today, oh, we'll stop watching the nfl. i heard that. heard top republican operatives -- when i say top, top republican operatives say we're running against the nfl. we're running against, you know,

colin kaepernick, we're running against "black lives matter," we're running against never kneeling for the flag. we're running against all of that. you know, the nfl is left wing. they are this or that, the other about and we're never going to football again. that is what i heard from a lot of people. and republicans hate the nfl now. hates them. it is over. they are done. and we'll just say 19 of the top 20 primetime shows last year, nfl games. 82 of the top 100 tv broadcasts excluding jonathan lemire and "way too early" -- but the nfl will take any publicity they can get. nfl games. so now these little snowflakes, these triggered little snowflakes, are now going after taylor swift.

you just can't win. >> she wins every day. >> remember the lefties who talked her, saying she is this right wing figure. and now the right attacking her. just shut up. >> also the attack on the nfl hasn't worked very well. the afc championship game was watched by a record 5 million people. you have to wonder, is this some kind of an op on the other side to attack all of the most popular thing the in the world, go after disney if you are ron desantis, go after the nfl. and maybe the most, one of the five most popular artists in the history of human civilization, let's go after her because she's dating a guy on the chiefs and she might be a democrat. >> let's go after mickey mouse, taylor swift. it is crazy.

>> jim croche used to say you don't spit in the wind and you don't mess around with taylor swift. there is no way to win that fight. >> and we'll have more on this coming up. meanwhile donald trump is looking for new legal representation in his appeal. >> wonder why. >> of the e. jean carroll damages case. try to keep a straight face. >> at one point in the proceedings, and i have to say as a lawyer, i've never seen this myself, so maybe she had a reason to be upset, willie, the -- >> don't. >> willie, you know, they took away her coloring books. there was a color by number thing on how to be a lawyer when you grow up, and she had -- the judge took them away. >> yeah, some have said -- >> some. not us. >> no have said she didn't have the experience to try this case. doesn't mean she's not a good

lawyer. and maybe in bedminster but not for this case. >> some have said that she was ill prepared. and i know, because i was one of these, one of the most ill prepared attorneys in a case of this magnitude. maybe in the history of the planet. >> it is incredible. we'll try to explain why happa is off the case. >> well, i mean, 30.6 million reasons. the question is why was she on the case. >> ever. >> donald trump has always had such great lawyers. >> no, he's had bad lawyers, but at least they knew their way around the courtroom. and by the way, you either do or you don't. and speaking as a lawyer that didn't know his way around the courtroom, i can tell you, it can be a very frightening thing and you would not want to be in

this type of case. >> but you always knew where the vending machines were. that was important. >> i'd ask the judge, please, i need to go talk -- and then just pull it out and -- >> longest opening tease. >> i'd get some bc powder, they had it in the dispenser, rc cola, have a smoke, go back in. >> dr. pepper. >> no further questions. >> i'd ask for a continuance. >> habba's departure from that case comes as we're learning much more about how much donor money trump is using to pay for his many legal issues. >> are we still in the tease? >> i think this is the tease. >> the runaway tease brought to you by pringles. >> and we'll go through the new warning from cia. we have katty kay with us.

>> you did that well. i feel like we should applaud you for getting through -- >> my sleep lines? well, willie has the top story, right? >> sure. so the carefully crafted bipartisan senate border security pac is still facing stiff resistance as house speaker mike johnson reiterates the bill is a nonstarter in the house. the speaker yesterday sabotaged his own denial that he is being influenced within the span of one statement. >> oh, man. >> trying to deny but then confirming that he is being influenced by former president trump. >> he clearly wants to campaign on this issue. have you spoken to him about the senate proposal and are you simply trying to kill this to help him out on the campaign? >>manu, that is absurd. first and most important of the federal government is protect its citizens.

i have talked to former president trump about this issue at length. and he understands that. he understands that we have a responsible to do here. the president of course -- president trump wants to secure the country. >> oh, my. does he know -- >> first words were manu, that is absurd. that is absurd, the suggestion that i would have spoken to donald trump about this, that is absurd. >> and then he follows with -- >> the absurd. >> many times because of course you talk to donald trump if you are me. >> jonathan lemire, it is absurd that you have again the impeachment of mayorkas for not doing what republicans are refusing do. just again, we have to state this loudly and clearly because there is misinformation, disinformation on other networks that are constantly talking about how horrible this bill is, this is the most liberal bill ever. go back to before donald trump

i'm against the bill. and everybody was saying this is the toughest border security bill ever. i won't even say the inane things that he said about this bill. or the rest of the people on fox news who are now just parroting what donald trump said. they overlooked the fact that "wall street journal" page was like don't screw up, republicans. basically saying you've screwed everything else up. don't screw this up. don't screw ukraine up. don't screw israel up. get it right. and then again, james lankford, one of the most conservatives out there, talking about how is the toughest border security bill of our time and they are trying to paint it now as a left wing deal because donald trump doesn't want to stop fentanyl and illegal immigrants from flooding in to the country. >> it was the progressives that said this was too tough and

concern the president wouldn't back it. the white house made the decision we'll be for this, we know there is a crisis at the border, political benefits to it as well. they go for it and suddenly the opposition has switched. some of the progressives still oppose it, but the problem now is the republicans. and what changed? donald trump one day decided he was against it because he wanted it to be a campaign issue. and there are still some senators who hope to get it across the finish line. but there is pessimism now that it will even get out of the upper chamber. and house speaker johnson has made it clear this is not going to happen because donald trump says he doesn't want it because he wants to campaign on it. and therefore nothing will change at the border. >> it lets us know that republicans are interested in governing, that the principles that so-called animate these republicans aren't necessarily principles that they hold dearly and truly or genuinely. and just to be honest with you, those of us who are quote/unquote on the left are still skeptical about this move. i understand the triangulation,

he has to appeal to those swing voters in wisconsin and the like. to be quiet in the face of it is a hard challenge. but look, we're in this moment and this moment is full of folk who are shall we say not too bright politically about it seems to me. >> and you look at what donald trump has admitted out loud over the last two weeks. just on policy. forget all the other things. forget all the rapes and all -- according to the judge. forget the $83 million. forget all of it, forget the stolen nuclear secrets, forget the illegal payoffs to porn stars. >> insurrection at the u.s. capitol. >> terminating the constitution. please. just keep it out of your mind him telling his staff members and vice president mike pence, i don't want you to think about

that or the fact that donald trump said he wanted the chairman of the joint chiefs executed for treason. please. >> no, forget that. >> that has nothing to do with this any more than donald trump having -- showing his campaign manager and saying i shouldn't be showing you this because i'm not president of the united states and i can't declassify this. but here i'm going to illegally show you more plans for -- >> but forget that part. >> can'tp even push that off th table. >> that is a lot to push. >> i want you to forget what he forgets. that he is running against a guy named joe biden because he thinks that he is running against barack obama. i could go on forever. i'm about to. but -- >> and that nikki haley and nancy pelosi are the same person. forget about that. >> just remember two things. donald trump wants the economy to crash. and he admitted on television he

wants a depression. this year. he admitted that. that is number one. number two, donald trump has told the republican party to kill the toughest illegal immigration bill in the history, in the history, after making this the center piece of every one of his campaigns. and talk about him taking those two issues and democrats taking those two issues to the american people. >> to begin with, the notion that donald trump is self-interested above all in the first case, i want a depression because it will help me whether and he has no principles, these are not news flashes to anybody covering donald trump for a while. if the question is can democrats run on those issue, i'd say particularly the first one, i would think yes. you would think that it would be kind of -- there would be political malpractice if you --

like many things that trump says at this point, if you didn't see, you know, half a billion dollars worth of advertising with donald trump saying i want to see a depression, the thing in the immigration case, not to in any way credit him, but you do see the whole republican party here looking at what happened with abortion, which was dog that caught the bus. we want to -- man, we have got to stop abortion, we've got to get rid of that roe v. wade. and now they are like oh, so this isn't so great for us politically. the immigration case is sort of the same thing. hey, build that wall, let's put armed troops on the southern border, let's arm the northern border, and now you have a president who is not quite ready to go that far, but willing to do things no democratic president in our lifetime has been able to do on the southern border and republicans are going, oh, yeah, if he -- >> about that. >> maybe we don't want to catch that bus because last time we

caught the bus it didn't work out too well. >> and "wall street journal" this morning saying policy dispute does not qualify as high crime or misdemeanor. the conclusion is walk away from the nonsense about impeaching mayorkas and take the border security -- >> take the bill. >> another ram figures ram if case is a warning about cutting off support from ukraine. burns writes for the united states to walk away from the conflict at this crucial moment and cut off support to ukraine would be an own goal of historic proportions. burns points out ukraine aid makes up less than 5% of the u.s. defense budget and argues that it is a relatively modest investment with significant geopolitical returns for the united states. burns also warns that whatever the u.s. decides to do, it will

send a clear message to china writing no one is watching u.s. support for ukraine more closely than chinese leaders. burns also describes how the war in ukraine has quietly corroded the power of president vladimir putin allowing the cia to recruit more spies. burns says the undercurrent of disaffection in russia is creating a once in a generation recruiting opportunity for the cia, adding we are not letting it go to waste. >> can i just say, everybody says bill burns is the best. that is such a bill burns move, oh, by the way, vladimir putin. just this is like the black friday of recruiting spies. this is like a holiday. i mean, he is just planting it in putin's mind, you're weak, we're coming after you. just a bnanza for recruiting spies. there are so many opportunities.

and good to hear this from bill burns because over the past couple months, there have been obviously putin winning, putin getting the best of this, putin getting the best of that. important to remember just how weakened russia's military is and as burns says, 5% of the defense budget basically, talk about an investment, set putin's military machine back 10, 15, 20 years. >> i love the little george smiley move, about that by the way. i think american administration and people who support the war in ukraine have not made a good job of making the public case to the american people about why they should carry on sending arms and weapons and supplies to ukraine. and it is exactly the case that bill burns has just laid out, to less than 5% of the u.s. defense budget ukraine is doing america's work for it. it is ukrainians who are dying,

they are minimizing the power of russia's military, they are hurting russia economically, they are pushing russia to try to have to find friends around the world who may not treat them very well. and it is a very good argument. that ukrainians are dying for america's interests. and i think having it laid out by bill burns there is the kind of argument that american officials perhaps could have been making louder for longer because we've watched the erosion of support amongst both republicans and democrats for carrying on supporting ukraine. but i think the key to what bill burns says at this moment is even if we head into a negotiating phase, if we carry on supplying the ukrainians with the weapons that they need, it will give them a stronger hand and it will make sure that russia is weakened further. and pick up a few spies along the

way. >> and by the way, putin oh, never mind, but yeah, open season on spies. so jonathan lemire, u.s. intel believes putin is in a position now where he is ready to negotiate. you know, he is showing as strong a hand as he can show. but that he is ready to negotiate but they can't get to that point until they get this aid package through. and if they don't, putin will wait for the possibility of donald trump being elected. >> yeah, that is precisely -- >> and by the way republicans are doing this. they are helping the russian invader. >> first republicans started to oppose just aiding ukraine when it was a separate matter and in you by opposing the border security bill which is linked, they are doing it again. you're right, officials i talk to say that two things can be true at once.

yes, last few months have been kinder to putin. that said the war has a whole is still a disaster for him. his military is badly degraded. corruption is rife through the troops. he has lost men and machine. and i'm sure burns noted this, they are already paranoid will be able to hold on to power. of course he will win, but he will win by as much margin as possible. he is someone who officials tell me they do believe is waiting out for november, but he is not going to even think about going to the negotiating table if the u.s. can't supply ukraine. and we're hearing from the ukrainians he each and every day they are running out of ammunition. and issues there right now, zelenskyy pushing out the top military sxhander. commander. putin sees a weakness to stay the course. but if the aid comes through and ukraine can hold positions and maybe push russia further back, that is the moment putin will go to the table. but he won't do that if the u.s. walks away. >> and can you believe that the

party of reagan wants to concede ukraine to an ex-kgb agent who said the greatest political strategy was the collapse of the soviet union? and they are also the ones right now, the ones fighting against border kurt here in the united states. it is sick. >> and we've heard just yesterday republican senators saying to their colleagues in the house, you know who loves all this, this stunt with immigration? vladimir putin. you are handing him ukraine. if you don't get funding because you insist on it being attached. one senator even suggested the opposition to the immigration bill was a russian op somehow, that they were pushing information in through social media. no evidence of that. but the point is the republicans in the senate are making the case you're making which is that get ukraine the money it needs, get israel the support it needs and let's handle this immigration thing separately and we've got it right in front of us. take the deal.

>> and burns is right, china is watching. and the same republicans that would bitch and whine about china moving on taiwan because the united states looked weak because the house won't fund our allies, you know, those are the same people who are responsible for this. >> absolutely. still ahead, what is driving the anger and hatred toward taylor swift and travis kelce. our next guest digs into the far right conspiracy theories power of pop culture. we'll also be joined by house minority leader hakim jeffreys who will weigh in on the effort by his republican colleagues to impeach homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. also ahead, the ceos of several major social media platforms will head to capitol hill for a hearing focused on protecting children online. we'll get a preview.

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with kansas city chiefs star travis kelce who is a vaccine supporter. oh, my god. >> i kind of have a problem though with the hardcore taylor swift fans. this is a little bit what idoltrc looks like. in the bible it is a sin. >> they pitched that i tore on turning taylor swift into an asset. >> she's the perfect vehicle to go to on the low propensity white liberal women. we can do this as well. we don't have a taylor swift, but we have kick rock, ted nugent, we have influencers, all these people, jon voight. >> she's going let's fing go. >> i i heard that and my son was dating a girl with a mouth like a ste teamster. >> we've been cheering for the opposite because we've had enough of taylor swift. >> we don't want you in

politics. >> major league sports in and of itself, gets kidding plugged into the cycle for playing sports for their school and going to games. >> first guy saying this is really bad, it is idolidolitry. >> pot, kettle, pot, kettle. >> and then manners? >> incredible. very worried about potty mouth. >> oh, my gosh. how dare she. it is not just trump supporters who are talking about taylor swift. according to three sources who spoke withal rolling stone, trump himself recently claimed in private that he was more popular than the music star and that his fans were more committed than hers.

>> well, her fans won't actually kill four cops. >> no, they won't do insurrectionists. it is true. >> they won't try to take the government over if that is what you mean. >> if you are gauging commitment on violent acts -- >> they won't take american flags and turn them into spears. if that is what you are talking about -- >> you're right. and also he reportedly complained about "time" decision to name her person of the year. he doesn't like that. saying it made no sense that he was not selected. aah. >> yeah, a person close to trump and another person familiar with the matter said -- it is a matter here of national security? hey, donald trump is insecure about how famous he is and whoever is more famous. and he gets mad. and the sunrises in the east and sets in the west. >> and court will be in session today somewhere.

>> it is the 31st, right? >> the judge said he would have a decision -- not firm, he doesn't have to give it. >> which one is this? >> $250 million. >> nothing that says the judge has to decide today, but he's kept every other deadline. >> which one? >> the civil case in new york. >> you wonder why they would want to -- my point is exactly why they want to talk about taylor swift and make up this fake stuff because honestly, folks on fox news and all those other networks there, they can't talk about e. jean carroll, they won't cover it. if they do, it is a glancing mention. they can't talk about the legal woes facing this former president because it messes up their entire money making narrative, so they have to go after taylor swift. >> i'm sure they have. but they certainly didn't when it was like in breaking news

mode at 5:00 on friday. >> when the story actually broke. >> fox sports hosts though cowherd, colin cowherd, took down the deep seeded miss sanlg any is drivingdriving. >> a lot of lonely men out there. the fact that big pop star is dating a tight end and the network puts them on the air briefly, that it bothers you, what does that say about your life? judge people sometimes on the silly stuff that bothers them, it will tell you a lot about them. when i hear this whole thing about taylor swift, i just want to watch football! liar. you're lying. that is not true. a football telecast is not just football. in fact the commercials for four hours before the super bowl will be widely watched. did you know statistically in a

3 1/2 hour playoff broadcast or regular season broadcast, just 18 minutes are actual football. and we have the data, we have the numbers. you don't turn away. there is coaches cutaways, they show fans in buffalo on fire, commercials, reviews, 18 minutes of real football. for the record, about the length of five taylor swift songs. listen to this, the "new york times" measured how long she was actually on the broadcast. do you know how long it is on average? 25 seconds in 3 1/2 hours. against the ravens, it was up to a whopping 31 seseconds. it was 14 on christmas, 12 chiefs and bengals. 24 seconds buffalo/kansas city. she was on for a minute against the dolphins but it was an awful broadcast, they should have had a concert in the middle of it. would have been more interesting. and why wouldn't cbs, which you

know has the grammys, cross-promote the world's biggest pop star? hey listen, i worked at the other network, i work at fox. i've seen us jam people on tv shows i would never watch during football games and sporting events. don't forget to watch this! and i've already forgot about it. but i don't have to rush to social media. i'm okay with it. here is the other thing that strikes me. matthew mcconaughey, all right, all right, all right, drake on everything, spike lee, knicks games. eminem's michigan sporting events. we celebrate it. '80s, '90s, jack nicholson lakers games? it is cool. saw jack. but a talented and beautiful woman is on the air, one who would never pay attention to lonely men, and it bothers them. there is a stat out there, kind of uncomfortable for you sad

guys, that 50% of men never have real intimacy with a woman. that means the other 50% have multiple intimate relationships with women. and those ones that don't have angry and sad and lonely and they are often misogynistic and resent women who didn't give them the time they think they deserve. we celebrate all these goofballs jumping on tables in buffalo in cheese hats and men and drake and jack nickle son, men and men and men and einem and a young attractive woman comes on for 25 seconds and you are bothered. again, judge people by the silly things that bother them.

this says nothing about taylor swift. it says everything about the men bothered by it. >> powerful and also long. you know it reminded me when i wanted to take a break and i'd go, you know, some right wing thing go it is jon stewart, bad for america. and then we just cut 30 minutes of clips, i'd walk outside, do some pushups. >> smoke a cigarette. >> get red bull, smoke a cigarette. and i'd say, you know, i want to learn a new language. they would still be showing jon stewart. i'd go, okay, i think i can -- i think that i can visit, you know, portugal this summer. because i can get the language.

and then i go back in and i go, nah, he's not bad for america. we'll be right back with hollyweird. i did that like 20 times. >> you do that one night and then the next night you'd go has american idol gotten too mean? let's watch. and then 30 minutes later, no, i think it is fine. joining us matt lewis, his latest piece is entitled far right snowflakes are terrified of the super bowl and taylor swift. >> matt, colin, who is great, we love him, colin -- of. >> no, that was really good. >> i know. >> just kind of long. >> he did bring up an underlying point that is really important and really important as you see the rise of right wing populist movements across the world. and that is a large collection of lonely isolated young men who

are becoming more and more angry, becoming more and more misogynistic, becoming less and less decent especially toward women. >> absolutely. i think it is valid, not good for society. >> just explain to everybody. >> involuntarily celibate, and this is a real problem. it has been a problem like in japan. it is now a big problem in america. look, i think that marriage and women specifically are a civilizing force on men. there is a loneliness epidemic. and i do think kudos to colin cowherd because this is part of the story. i also think a lot of these right wing key board warrior types are obsessed with masculinity kind of ironically in some cases and i think that they kind of resent travis

kelce, this sort of macho guy, dating taylor swift. look, if you saw -- >> by the way, kind of the checkmate. these snowflakes are like i'm so manly, i have on my trump hat and my suspenders are all red and then they see travis kelce and say he's not a man. just such a total checkmate. >> it is insane. and if you saw travis kelce's brother jason at the buffalo bills game where he was drinking 30 beers, shirtless, you know, and in frigid buffalo, i mean, good luck casting the kelces at some woke soy latte drinks pajama boys. >> there he is.

>> jonathan lemire did this in foxborough a few times and they kicked him out. >> yeah, 20 beer, i didn't see the fourth quarter. >> i do want to go back to what colin had said and what matt is talking about as well. and in britain, it has become such a problem with andrew tate that actually the british government is trying to work to counteract some of the harsh harsher statements that have spread. >> yeah, and it is hard to regulate. yes, more regulation could probably be done around the world. but this kind of hate speech amongst incels, matt is right, that is what they are, spreads in the darkest corners of the web and it pops all over the place. and you three to regular try to

of it and it just comes up somewhere else. because this is global, it comes up everywhere. and i think when you look at what is happening on the right with taylor swift, i mean, i just can't see it any other way to describe it. it does feel like this is a talented young woman and suddenly she gets a bit of attention and it drives people crazy. but also, matt, isn't there something else, which is just that they are jealous, they want taylor swift for themselves and if they can't have taylor swift, they will do everything -- there was a georgia district council chair from the republican party who called her luciferian. isn't that what it is, you try to demonize her and make her look at terrible as possible. >> i think that is part of it. i think some of it is envy. somebody on twitter the other day kind of compared travis kelce and taylor swift to like the homecoming king and queen at your high school. and depending on where you sat -- by the way everything goes back to high school. and depending on where you were

in the pecking order, you may resent that. you may not look that. and look, i will say this though, in fairness, these people who are attacking travis kelce and taylor swift, i think there is misogyny here, i think there is paranoia and conspiracy, i think there is chasing clicks and trying to get youtube views and hits. but there is an element of truth. taylor swift actually does pose a threat to maga and to joe biden. she sent out one instagram post in 2020 that got 35,000 new people to register to vote. so this is an insane fight that they are making with the nfl and by the way the number one most influential pop star in the world probably. >> and there is another element to this, matt, which shows you where -- i don't even want to say the republican party but maga republicans and a lot of online community you are talking about, because travis kelsey did

ads for the vaccine for pfizer, for the covid vaccine, aaron rodgers infamously calls travis kelce mr. pfizer, that isn't insult i guess to get a vaccine against a disease that could killing you, but that element of it too, all folding in, all these different pieces of that movement including anti-vaxxers. >> it is crazy. and something that we haven't fully talked about yet this morning, there is a conspiracy theory that is very popular on the right on twitter, on x, millions of people are seeing this and vivek ramaswamy sort of alluded to this in a tweet i think monday right after the chiefs won and were headed to the super bowl, there is a theory that this is a deep state operation that taylor swift and travis kelce are put together, they are not a real relationship, somehow the nfl

has rigged it so that the chiefs, who by the way have gone to four of the last five super bowls, but the nfl has rigged it so that the chiefs are going to the super bowl and it is all a deep state sci-ops campaign to beat donald trump. >> it is insanity. >> matt lewis, thank you very much. >> the cia is good. they went into texas 25 years ago and made patrick mahomes one of the greatest athletes in the history of sports. got him up through college, into the nfl, made him who he is. >> and kelce -- >> seems the red sox should be talking more to the cia. >> we really should. >> the biden administration often thwarted by one senator from west virginia, but yet they rigged this. >> i have no idea how they did it. the thing is, barack obama was so good at he figured out how to

find stars, not at this level, but find stars especially he was brilliant on -- he'd do youtube. these off beat youtube interviews. because he wanted to get will he propensity voters, he wanted to get in front of them. here with taylor swift, if we're just talking about the demographic right now that he is having the worst time with, biden, it is young voters. she's the biggest star in the world among young voters. so maybe that is why the snowflakes on the far right are freaking out. >> maybe it is a sign that i'm an egg head or, you know, i just -- this is a symptom of the problem of american politics. that we're running deficits, i'm sitting here thinking about

walter litman saying that they were inundated by mass culture and no longer capable of taking in information so that they could become the kind of citizens that democracies require. and here we are. >> do you know who else said that? travis kelce said that in the postgame press conference after the afc championship game. but go ahead. >> i was just thinking -- you just made fun of me. that is funny. >> no, i'm not. >> but what does it mean around this table we've been talking about the seriousness of this election, what is at stake. and you literally have political folk, media operatives talking about taylor swift as a sci-op. just blows my mind in terms of what we're facing as a country and what we're currently dealing with as we talk about football. >> you know, i will quote an old

wd childers who said you have to put the grass down where the goats can eat it. and so i will just say the things that we are obsessed about four hours a day around this table, people who don't vote a whole lot, they are not listening. but they are watching this. and they will see an instagram post by taylor swift or a movement that will -- i totally get what you're saying. but this i do think that this is relevant, one, because of the impact it could have with younger voters. secondly, i think that the misogyny, i think colin cowherd got that right for these lonely sad young men who strike out against powerful women. >> and it is an extreme version of the less extreme generally large problem that for democrats, which is there is

just a large group of very frustrated young men, many of them white, some of them not white, who are gravitating towards joe rogan and towards the guy who runs x, that guy musk, they have that -- >> andrew tate. >> and this very powerful world of the libertarian/right, the people who are able to hold large audiences on podcasts that we don't listen to, on social media that we don't pay attention to, they are a large part of the appeal, and democrats without pandering to racists or incels have this larger challenge which is how do you talk to young voters, many who are not partisan political in that way, but just frustrated and pissed off and trying to figure out somewhere to land. and it does point to maybe part of the way is travis kelce and

taylor swift. figuring out a way to have a conversation with a bunch of young voters who are up for grabs and that democrats need to be able to talk to some of them or they won't win elections. >> and matt lewis hit on something else important which is the team of our time which is people who though better, smart people, cynically vivek ramaswamy knows this nonsense. fox news hosts know this is nonsense, but they think their viewers want to hear this stuff. >> so painful. >> and i want to go back to what you were saying about democrats having a problem with certain group of people. what all those people that you talked about, even people that we like and watch and follow, you know, even the bill mahers, scott galloway who i think is really good, they push back against the extreme examples of wokeism. and they push back -- and i'm not talking about like a bud light social media -- one social

media post that makes the whole world melt down. i'm just saying examples of what they are seeing on every college campus except eddie's. that has been, has it not, that has been rocket fuel for all of these people and what they all have in common is they will find the most extreme examples of wokeism and they will use it and it fuels the audience. >> totally. and that is -- there are obviously a lot of these examples of wokeism run amok are lust. ridiculous. but the feeling that they are constantly being scolded or reprimanded for doing this or that wrong, it is a problem for democrats because people want to be affirmed. this is another great obama thing. you didn't feel like he was constantly lecturing everyone.

and he above all of the democratic party has seen that there is a danger for progressives to be too much in that mode of sanctimony and scolding. >> my invocation to walter litmanp. >> i was going to say shake it off. >> it just really is -- we do need to talk about it and we do need to talk about how younger voters -- i'll just say it, i'm shocked. i'm really shocked by not my boys and not friends of my boys, but i'm shocked by what i'm seeing and what i'm hearing from young men. and i'm shocked at -- and i do think a lot of it is a reaction from an early age, getting the message, don't be boys, don't do

this, don't do that. willie, we've talked about this before. schools aroundhere telling young boys that they are the oppressors, they are toxic. and that was really -- that was so 2018, 2017. i don't know if it is still going on. but i can tell you a lot of those boys have run into a lot of angry pissed off teens and you are disheartened when you compare the friends i grew up with, and willie and john, and how we were told, sorry if this like offends anybody, like this is too old fashioned, we were told how to treat somebody that we went out on a date on. we were told how to be respectful with anybody. and my god, if i had ever said or if any of my children had ever said or if you had ever said or you've ever said like in

front of women what i hear young men saying in front of other women? oh, oh, holy -- the hammer would have come down from my parents. we just didn't do it. but willie, i know you know because you've got -- it is being done now. and there is a -- and unfortunately, yeah, i'm going to point to donald trump too. they see a guy who a judge says is a rapist and everybody celebrates him. they see a guy who, you know, pays off porn stars and then says she has a horseface and she's ugly. they see guys that say the things that he said on the access hollywood tape. and they see not only that he still can run, but that he is celebrated by their parents. wait, mom and dad say this guy who raped a woman according to a

judge, that this guy who the judge is calling a rapist, like they are willing to lose friends and family members for that guy. well, hey, what, you talk about sending a message. a permission structure for these boys to treat women badly. there it is. >> and not just permission, but a reward. guy who became president of the united states based in large part on that big personality. and it started -- we talk about it all the time when he insulted john mccain almost nine years ago. and he said we certainly don't insult war heros in this country. you disagree on politics. and then when he got more and more popular, oh. so an undercurrent of something in this country where people are enjoying this show no matter the cost, no matter who he is insulting or what he is saying about people and he became president of the united states. >> and people forget so much of

that appeal was his campaign against political correctness which has turned in to wokeism and the rest. and i was at so many trump rallies those two years where people would say he's saying things we all say privately. and that resonated with people, that sort of anger and resentment and grievance in the sense that the culture had gone too far. largely white working class people who felt left behind and he was their unlikely champion. and that has taken off. >> i will say is it again and i've said it on this show, i grew up in atlanta, georgia.t a said it on this show, i grew up in atlanta, georgia.s it again i've said it on this show, i grew up in atlanta, georgia.is i've said it on this show, i grew up in atlanta, georgia. mississippi, the deep south. and you know, i grew up in the heart of dixie.

nobody, nobody in any of our schools, never, at least not around me and not around a lot of -- never. i just didn't hear the "n" word. i didn't hear it. it was not said. i talk to my children now, all over the country, racial slurs against black americans, against asian-americans, against jewish americans, against muslim americans. everywhere. it is everywhere. and it is in -- forget about being in public schools in meridian, mississippi where i didn't hear it. they are saying it now in like the best institutions. the most elite areas in america. it is a sea change. and this is how i guess donald trump and extreme maga -- i mean, it is how it impacted our

lives every day. because they will say, you know, well, he's saying publicly what we say privately. well, maybe more people are saying it privately now, but i'll tell you, 20 years ago, they weren't. not at least in the world i grew up in. and i grew up in the whitest most deep south evangelical world there was. >> i grew up in the deep south as well. and you know, i was a couple years behind you. and i heard the "n" word. was called it by my neighbor when we moved into the neighborhood. my sister beat up a neighbor for calling me one. it was really great actually. >> that is a sister to have. >> absolutely. but i think the firewall that came out of the mid 20th century, there was a kind of tacet agreement that we would leave behind explicit racism of jim crow. >> the new south. >> and so the idea that you had

to engage in a kind of, you know -- you had to kind of engage in an appeal. the school busing. you couldn't say things explicitly. donald trump broke that covenant. and now the things that were the barnacles under the belly of the nation are now in full view. it wasn't as if they were removed, it was just kind of an agreement. so i think this is really important for us to acknowledge that, you know, a certain kind of racial civility, which actually hid a lot of things, has been cast into the trash bin. >> a way to slander mike barnicle in the middle of that. it was out of nowhere. i don't understand that. >> and by the way, katty kay thank you for being on this morning. great to see you. see you soon once again. coming up, new polling out this morning has donald trump leading in swing states, but it also reveals how he might lose a large portion of that support. we'll break down those numbers

straight ahead on "morning joe." "

welcome back to "morning joe." second hour. it is wednesday, january 31. john heilemann, eddie still with us. >> the family is here. >> and also mike barnicle is joining the table. hi, mike. >> good morning. >> did you hear your name invoked? all of a sudden barnacles or -- is he under a boat? >> can we give his own personal background? >> what do you mean? >> oh, there you go. look at the seats back there. >> the problem is mike would never sit that far. >> you need a shot that frames

it. >> and we have the old wood seats back there. >> where is mike's single shot? >> i would submit this to you, that we're all -- >> going to lose? >> no, win, lose, we're all going to feel better when the baseball is back. all of us. >> did you see the news de'angelo family selling the orioles. >> are you kidding me? >> yeah. and mr. rubenstein and company likely to spend more money than perhaps in the past. >> i was surprised that the price was what it was. >> $1.7 billion. >> really. >> i thought it would be a lot higher. great ballpark, great location. >> great team. >> baltimore not a big media market. it is all about tv rates. >> and they split it with the washington nationals. >> and they have a great team like you said. and "morning joe's" official

baseball scout jack scarborough says they have 8 of the top 100 prospects. so a bright future ahead of them. so they ended up on a high note, but, man a lot of baltimore fans wanted them out. >> controlling partner has been ill for some years. not playing a really active role. and two brothers i'm told, there is a split between the two brothers, john and peter i think the other brother's name is. so this is the result. sell it. >> there is always a split, isn't there, like between rich brothers? my parents took care of that. not leaving us money. >> is it not fair to say that if you think about the long term trend in baseball, like renovation of parks and all of that, the whole urban park -- we saw it for 34 years, they really

started it. camden yards was the beginning of it. >> they played a part in it. but larry built camden yards. changed baseball. in but baltimore in that place, you have camden yards and people said wow, we can take all these old stadiums and refurbish them and it set off 30 years of change. >> i will say the thing that red sox ownership crew did right, they did actually saved fenway. i took joey to the all-star game, went to get a hot dog and the guy said yeah, the stadium probably not going to be around much longer, they are going to level it. i said are you kidding me? >> did you see the home run contest in 1999? were you there for that? >> an all-century team. and wrigley did the same thing, preserve the old stadium and refurbish it and built an entire

neighborhood around it. >> so we can change the backgrounds now. >> let's do predictions. are we going to be last for four out of five years? starting to sound like donald trump's republican party. >> that is a bad comparison. >> by the way i'm walking yesterday and a guy was like are you going to hate it when trump loses. people are usually so nice to me. yeah, you're going to hate it when trump loses. i'm like what? >> i think you're confused with somebody else. >> yeah, he's going to lose, yeah. >> that guy still watches scarborough country. >> to answer your question, are the red sox going to finish last, in that division, toughest division this baseball, i would think the odds are they will finish last. but i do think that they will be competitive. i think that they will be a competitive last. >> thank you.

>> because we have no money. >> can i just say one thing about the very important discussion that you were all having in the prior hour, i mean, the stunning marriage of coarseness and meanness in our culture, i think it is the story of our era. how did it happen. how did it happen over a period of time that the culture has become so coarse in terms of language, in terms of behavior, in terms of reaction and sexism and everything like that. it is stunning. >> it is donald trump. again, when you have -- again -- >> a lot of different things colliding. social media. >> yeah, social media. but you have a guy who is praised for what he said on "access hollywood" tape, a guy who a jury finds liable for sexually abusing a woman, that judge says committed rape. and this guy is celebrated.

and these young boys are in households where people are running around defending trump and anybody who is against donald trump -- or this poor woman who was raped and he continues to abuse on social media, you know, you praise that long enough in front of your kids, the coarseness will spread. i've seen it happen with my -- people that my kids go to school with. and interact with in sports. >> but now there is an addition to the coarseness. there is an add-on of cruelty. just off the cuff cruelty. >> and you read through the new testament one time, read through the gospels, you will see everything that these christian nags a allist, everything -- you don't have to be religious, you don't have to believe, but just read through thegospels seenz

what jesus said in the red letters. everything that embodies trumpism is the anthesis. because cruelty is the point there. and the gospels, it is the opposite. i do want to say as we have this conversation and talking about what trump has brought in, you really have to back it up a couple years. and i didn't see it at the time as much as i should have. but also the harsh reaction to barack obama. and the second term. and this belief i guess that did lead to a breakup of that deal that you talked about with the new south. so the combination of barack obama, a black man being president for eight years followed by donald trump, yeah, it brought a lot of that subterranean -- >> and that happens against the

backdrop of the vitriol of the bush years, backdrop of what newt gingrich introduced in the political domain. we can call it an accumulation. >> we've been at political war for 30 years. >> that is what the berger thing was, right? donald trump didn't originate but popularized, he is not one of us. remember, he's from kenya or something. and by the way, he's doing it right now to nikki haley. he uses her indian name incorrectly by the way, making up a name to suggest remember, she's not one of us. >> there has always been paranoia in politics. there was, you know, dare call it treason, a book about how lbj killed everybody in his way. george h.w. bush, we had members of congress saying that he was shipping crack into south

central l.a. to addict black youth. you had the clinton chronicles. >> smuggling cocaine. >> and also you had jerry falwell putting out videotapes saying that bill clinton assassinated people that got if his way politically. and we talked about george w. bush. you couldn't go anywhere on the upper west side without seeing george w. bush as hitler. i wonder how many people wish they had republicans back like george w. bush even with all the problems that they may have felt with him just like, you know, republicans then barack obama and then so -- this ongoing wave of radicalism in response. >> i think the difference is we've had extremists rhetoric for a long time and paranoid side of american politics. goes back years.

also conspiracy theorists for a long time. difference partly is the country has become more polarized, but it is the marriage of that with social media has been the biggest change. we've never seen an environment where disinformation, whether domestic or foreign, and misinformation stuff just made up circulates as freely. and it is part of our politics in a way that wasn't true in 1992 or 1996. these -- the features of conspiracy theories from pizzagate to qanon to the big lie about the 2020 election, those are really large widely embraced conspiracy theorys that are a central feature of our politics in america, increasingly around the world. >> but never, never, eddie, have we had a leader of a political party embrace those conspiracy theories and talk about injecting those dangerous conspiracy theories into the

mainstream of political thought. we have a president, had a president, and now we have a party leader who spreads those conspiracy theories every day. >> and so imagine richard nixon, that is the closest parallel in my head, imagine richard nixon in the media landscape that donald trump is in. so imagine if nixon had fox, would he have resigned? i don't know. >> yeah, he would have. >> yeah, because -- >> you think? >> yeah, because, mike, he was a guy that fought world war ii. he was a guy who revered institutions. he was a guy who obviously did some of the worst things ever done in the white house. but i always go back to when the supreme court ruled against him unanimously on the tapes, there was never any question, oh, is nixon going to burn the tapes. he turned them over.

i just think that donald trump's lack of, you know, any sense of anything but himself. >> there was also an important ingredient in the nixon resignation thing. he was surrounded by people of a certain generation who knew what the country was all about. tip o'neill and many people who had endured and gone through the depression, world war ii, seen the survival of this country and growing strength of this country. >> talk about the republican taos because that is the most important part. you had the barry goldwaters, bob michaels, gerald ford, people who -- >> very difficult hypothetical because a world that the prp party is probably different. but at that time 24iks on resigned because he lost the support of his own party. hard to imagine a republican party now where they would end the presidency that way.

but it is not a coincidence that donald trump was the twitter president. that combination, they fed each other. paranoid style, conspiracy theories, and these new -- i'm not a hater on social media in general, but fox news, yesterday's new, all these people who get the news from facebook, twitter, underregulars lated platforms. and trump was the master of it. and truth social is a meaningless thing at this point, but he is just out there in that space where the cracks where all the garbage gets in. and lodges with people who don't watch anything even as -- they think of fox news as the establishment. >> i still can't figure out, listening to you talk about the republican party being different, i still can't figure out even though we talk about it all the time, but i talk about it all the time because i can't figure it out. used to be if you were a republican and you lost, hope

you had a good ride. there is the door. get out. we have to move forward without you. and it is just beyond me how they embrace a seven time loser. and they embrace a seven time loser who again -- i know we have polls showing right now that he is doing well. lots of luck when people start focusing on this race, lots of luck. i still -- that is a great mystery to me too. how could a party continue to embrace a guy that loses and makes them lose. >> and how many moments has he given them to walk away. they could have said now he's gone too far. you talk about barry goldwater. i'm thinking what if after january 6 when lindsey graham was pounding the podium saying

you got to go, it is over. instead of 24 hours later beginning the rehab of donald trump. mccarthy going to mar-a-lago and standing by his side. that was the big moment, but it wasn't the only moment when they could have walked away. >> and they have another moment now with nikki haley. despite senators lying and saying now it is a black and white choice between joe biden or donald trump, they still have somebody out there that they could support. >> who is a republican. >> if the republican voters were behind nikki haley, it might be a different thing. >> let's talk about the new polling this morning that reveals donald trump is leading president biden in every closely watched swing state. but the former president has one major achilles' heel. he loses majority of voters in those key states if he is found guilty of the multitude of charges against him. joining us now, white house reporter for bloomberg. 53% say they would be unwilling

to vote for donald trump if he is convicted. does this apply to civil or federal or all? >> yeah, this is any crime. and it is more than half of voters and even more if he is facing prison time. but the key statistic here is nearly one in four republicans say that they would be uncomfortable with supporting donald trump. that is a pretty big number when we talk about convictions. donald trump is facing four criminal trials, he is also facing 90 felony charges here. so this is something that could really happen. and i do think this is probably the scenario or the reason that we're still seeing nikki haley staying in this race and committing to stay until super tuesday is the chance that this happens or if there is some other major legal development, that she will be obviously the last person standing. but it is still hard to see enough voters moving from donald trump to nikki haley for her to become the nominee. but yet this is still a clear

weakness for donald trump for something that he has really tried to turn into a strength. and that is his legal challenges. >> so joe biden's challenge is very evident if you look at each one of the swing states, he is down three in arizona, down five in michigan, eight in nevada and georgia, ten in colorado, down three in pennsylvania, down five in wisconsin. these polls show -- margin of error -- are these likely voters? >> he's still within the margin of error in arizona and pennsylvania, but looking back to 2020, biden won six of these seven states all except for south carolina. so these are huge states he needs to win again. and perceived weaknesses where americans are uncomfortable with the administration's response to the israel-hamas war, we saw biden's campaign manager try to take a trip there and they were turned away this weekend. so really showing that

arab-americans, muslims really view this as a huge issue and they want to see more rhetoric from president biden taking a harder stance on israel. >> what were the issues most important in this poll to voters? >> things that stood out to me for sure, immigration grew in importance. and that of course happens as we're talking about this deal on capitol hill. but it grew almost entirely among republicans. particularly among men and voters above 65 years old. also the economy slightly dropped in terms of importance. and that really reflects some of the things we've seen about consumer sentiment. consumers are really feeling better about the economy and this is huge and great news for joe biden even though it is only slight. and showing that inflation cooling is really starting to resident nature for really the first time that we've seen in a while. >> yeah, this is among about 5,000 registered voters. as you talk to the white house, obviously they feel like they will win the swathe of the midwestern states which appear

to be among the closer ones here. what is the level of concern you pick up in talking to the white house, talking to people around the campaign about a poll like this? >> i think the main issues, we've seen multiple of these polls. you can't ignore when there is such multiple evidence that you have especially in swing states that bine has a real problem here, but some of the highlights again from this poll, democracy also grew in importance particularly among democratic voters. it was 25% to 21% in terms of importance to the which i. and that is what we saw in the midterms was a strength for democrats in 2022. and also abortion. that is something i'm sure that they will be betting on again is that those two issues are really going to shine through when it comes to biden campaigning. and in the midterms, the economy was in a much worse place than it is today and yet the issues seemed to win out in the midterms. >> thank you very much for your reporting this morning. we appreciate it.

so president biden says he has made a decision regarding how the united states will respond to the drone stlik in strike in jordan. nbc news reports that white plans for retaliation are not finalized, they are expected to include hitting iranian targets outside of iran. the targets are likely to be in multiple places in several countries and the campaign will include both inetic strikes and cyber operations. u.s. officials describe it as a campaign that could last for weeks. joining us now, senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace, he focuses on iran and u.s. foreign policy toward the middle east. hearing the framework of what the united states plans do in retaliation, do you think that will stop what iran has been doing pretty much over time? >> i don't think so.

the biden administration dilemma is on one hand no american wants for be involved in another war in the middle east. so the biden administration is simultaneously trying to deescalate but also deter further iranian attacks. and the challenge we have in dealing with this iranian regime, they have three strategic objectives. they want to evict middle east, replace israel with palestinian and they want to help defeat the u.s. level of order. so when you are dealing with an adversary like that and you are trying to deter them but also constantly signal we don't want conflict, we want to deescalate, we've emboldening the iranian regime. because they know we're trying to deescalate. as long as the conflict is not on iranian soil, people in yemen, iraq, syria, lebanon, gaza who are dying, iran is okay with that.

>> could you please explain the degree of difficulty now confronting the biden administration in any retaliatory attack? we're talking about across multiple countries. throughout the middle east. a region already on fire with conflict. what about the degree of difficulty in trying to pick targets, in gaining intelligence for targets, command and control, shutting that down, how difficult do you think it is? it is difficult because if you look at the middle east, iran is dominating essentially five failing places. yemen, syria, iraq, lebanon and gaza in the palestinian territories. so we're up against an adversary which really thrives in this environment of chaos, instability, power vacuums. so they are happy to go tit for

tat with the united states. so we can go after iran's proxies in iraq and syria, maybe we'll go after iranian troops, iranian forces in those countries. but the challenge here is how do we demonstrate resolve. if you remember the war against the taliban, united states capabilities were more than 100 times that of the taliban, but taliban had resolve and they knew we wouldn't say there forever. and i think this is the challenge with iran, we're trying to signal resolve but also making clear we don't want conflict and we'd like to reduce our presence in the middle east. >> senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace, thank you sfroech coming very much for coming on the show. still ahead, daniel goldman will join us as his republican colleagues just improved impeachment charges against

homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. plus senator richard blumenthal will be our guest ahead of a hearing with big tech ceos about online safety for children. online safety for children

28 past the hour. a live look at washington as traffic is getting heavier as people are heading to work. later today the senate judiciary committee will hold a hearing to push for the passage of the kids online safety act. the biden administration legislation is sponsored by richard blumenthal of connecticut and marsha blackburn of tennessee. the bill would bolster online protection for children on social media and it currently has nearly half of the senate support along with support from the owner of snapchat. ceos from some of the biggest social media platforms including snapchat will appear at today's

hearing along with mark zuckerberg and linda yaccarino. and senator blumenthal is joining us live from capitol hill. thank you for coming on the show. i guess first of all explain how this legislation would work if passed. >> well, it is pretty simple. what we're trying to do is provide parents and kids the tools so they can discontents from the black box algorithms that drive bullying, eating disorders, suicidal self harm, all of the toxic content on the internet today giving back control over their online lives not only to children but tools to their parents and imposing accountability, that is responsibility so those big tech companies when they fail to mitigate or prevent harm.

and final more transparency, all those algorithms people should know how they work and how they drive addictive content to kids. and lead them down to those dark rabbit holes that are so often destructive. >> senator, thank you for being with us. what are you hoping to hear from the tech ceos? >> do you expect pushback? >> we're going to hear a lot of verbiage, a lot of high tech bologna. and i think one of the purpose, one of my goals, is to show how big tech has failed to match action with its promises and commitments. and i'm going to on use internal documents from one of those companies, meta, to show in a at the very time the head of global al safety was here on the hill in 2021 before my subcommittee and saying they were doing everything possible, literally

that is what she said, everything we can, investing heavily her words, they internally knew their efforts were understaffed and fragmented. that is the quote from one of the internal documents, head of global policy, who also said we're not on track to succeed in our core well-being goals including, and he made specific reference to bullying, harassment, suicidal, self injury. so they knew they were failing. and mark zuckerberg himself rejected the investment that should have been made and that was requested at that very time 2021. >> senator blumenthal, good morning. millions of parents across the country are grateful for the attempt you are making at least with senator blackburn to do something about this. but the perception is a that the ceos periodically come to which i will and they pa a beating

from congress and then go back out west and make money. they can say the right things and put up the ad campaigns that we're safety first, but that is not true. they want to make a bunch of money and they need to keep doing what they are doing. are you confident that there could be really change here? >> i'm more and more heartened. leader schumer has committed to work with me in bringing this bill to a vote. as mika mentioned, almost half the senate now is co-sponsoring, evenly divided republican and democrat. we have growing momentum. the most important, we have the parents. and we've enlisted them to come to the hill today and tomorrow, more than 40 of them, people like kristin bride whose son carson was bullied. these stories are really gripping and heartbreaking. and the time is over for you're right these promises and commitments which they have

broken. we need action now. because we can no longer trust big tech to do it themselves. >> you mentioned kristen bride who has become a social media reform advocate. again her 16-year-old died by suicide in 2020 after suffering relentless bullying online by high school classmates who were able to keep their identities hidden on social media platforms. you will be testifying today at that senate hearing. what do you -- >> i won't be testifying. i'll be watching. >> you'll be watching. what are you hoping to hear and can you also explain to parents out there the dangers that their kids are exposed to every day when they get on those phones and those laptops? >> well, to answer the first question, i don't have high hopes for today. i think this is our tenth

hearing and we keep promises that safety is their first concern yet they do go back and they continue to put priority on number of years and time spent. and what we're finding that they are creatinged a deck difference and manipulative products to keep kids glued to these screens. anonymous apps that my son encountered were integrated in to snapchat. and these apps have a long history of leading to cyber bum bullying and teen suicides. and they know this, that cyber bullying causes drama online and

that creates more advertising dollars for these companies sadly. >> we know most of the people who run these companies don't let their kids have cellphones until later in life. >> and we know the algorithms are set up to actually cause conflict. >> absolutely. >> my kids have even said to me, it is so obvious they want me to get angry. and they want me to respond to outrageous posts. and this can have tragic consequences. >> kristen, is this legislation even scratching the surface? when you are living this every day as you are and living with the consequence that these companies have put in front of all parents, what would the solution be? >> i think it is passing the kids online safety act. it will require that these

companies have a duty of care to our children when they are creating their products. and this would prevent them from designing their products to encourage cyber bullying. or leading kids down these terrible rabbit holes when at the look up something healthy and then young teens are fed eating disorder content. it would also help parents in that the most protected settings would be set by default. right now it is really hard for parents to navigate the multiple apps with all the changes and the different features. >> senator, hope the proposed legislation will do something to stem the sue in an tsunami of garbage that poses such a threat, but the other element

here i'd like your thoughts on, this country is filled with hard working parents, both parents working. and they have children. and some of the children as early as 8, 9 years of age are given a cellphone to stay in touch with their parents. other children even younger have little ipads. they watch cartoons on them to keep quiet when the parents are finally home at the end of the day. what do we do about the culture of those things, what is happening to young children at really young ages that warns their view of life? >> you know, that is such a key question because the availability of this garbage, it is toxic, repulsive garbage, whether pornographic or otherwise, is so freely available. i sat with a group of high school students just the day before yesterday in west hartford and asked them at what age did you begin using social

media and seeing these horrific images. and they said 10 or 11, some as young as five or six. and parents, hard working as you say quite rightly everyday people don't have the ability or aptitude, and i count me as one of them, to navigate the internet and these devices in a way that enables them alone to protect their kids. and that is why we want to give them tools where we'll require the companies to provide those tool, we'll put the burden on the help parents and kids succumb to the addictive content. it is designed to keep the eyeballs on the screen. and make more money. because they generate more advertising dollars.

and with more tools and this duty of care, i think that we can provide some relief. >> all right. senator blumenthal, as always thank you so much. and kristen bride, we want to thank you so much for fighting for all parents and doing it in carson's memory. i can tell you there are so many parents who have struggled with this, who struggle day in and day out, and so many parents that see the rise in suicidal ideation, so many parents see the depression, so many parents see the anxiety from these social apps. we've all either seen it in our families or seen it in our kids' friends. it is everywhere. and so we just want to give you the final word, but also want to thank you for doing this not only for carson, but doing it for all of us. >> thank you.

coming up, house minority leader hakeem jeffries will join us and we'll get his take on the border security negotiations among the republican-led effort to impeach homeland security secretary. >> and industry leaders don't let their kids look at this stuff. they know the algorithms and they know what they do. these tech billionaires in silicon valley, they keep kids off their screens. >> and if you read their own internal research some of which this committee has released this morning ahead of this hearing, they know internally in the company. it is not just with them and their kids. the company knows that this stuff is harmful. tries to push it to the side. so we're hopeful that this can pass and change something for the sake of people like carson and his parents. but we're also skeptical because these men and women have been marched up to capitol hill before, kind of sat there and nod and then they go about their

business. >> and then we talk about the shrillness in society and trump and racism and everything else. but also social media. we see kids going into restaurants at 5, 6 years old, their parents put an ipad in their hands and they put headphones on them and they walk in like zombies. and you look over and the kids are looking at it the entire time. so of course they don't know how to talk to other people. don't know how to communicate. don't know how to converse. we'll be right back. we'll b. ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ ( ♪♪ ) with the push of a button, constant contact's ai tools help you know what to say, even when you don't. hi! constant contact. helping the small stand tall. only sleep number smart beds let you each choose your individual firmness and comfort. constant contact. your sleep number setting. and actively cools and warms up to 13 degrees on either side. save 50% on the sleep number limited edition smart bed.

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we were talking about the rhett sox. who are they going to blame this year? they kept blaming this kid. go to sbrink field and it is like oh, we hear you, we

understand. another year where they don't do anything. and they fire blume and say he was morel. seriously? we even stopped giving out the all you can eat passes to the country buffet for stars that we sign now. like we do nothing. two years of doing nothing. and now buying franchises left and right. but the crown jewel they are letting sit there and rots. >> ownership has not spent money on this team for years. >> and they blame everybody else. >> and i do think that they do not understand the fan frustration. >> they just don't care. and they are talking about the fenway experience is beautiful. hey, it is okay if i say that to my son, which i have. jack, we'll just go and enjoy

fenway. but if you are an owner and you are going out buying every sports franchise and now the pga and they are going we don't have enough money to field a baseball team. >> it is true fenway is beautiful, but theyare not rebuilding the farm system. >> and we've been in last place four out of five years. we'll end up in last place but a competitive last. you sound liken a braves fan. >> i'm so relieved hearing this because the weight of having to provide tickets to certain people has been lifted off my shoulders. >> totally fine. you know why? it will look like fulton county stadium. kids will be running, they will

have a race, the 4,000 fans will have a race there. it is really seriously, willie -- yankees had a good offseason. >> speaking of. >> and added an arm there. we'd like to start winning games. we haven't won a world series in 15 years now. >> should we ask our next guest about that? joining us now, house minority leader democratic congressman hakeem jeffries. >> leader, are you a yankees fan or mets fan? >> good morning, i'm a yankees fan so i'm really enjoying this conversation. >> i'm sorry about the conversation. we're now going to take it right to the border. >> right to the border of bad taste. how are the yankees in the offseason, how do they look in the new year? pitchers and catchers report in two weeks. >> yeah, ten days. >> i think they are moving in the right direction. we're hopeful.

i think as willie mentioned, haven't won a world series in about 15 years, but maybe 2024 is the year. >> all right. now to the border. what will it take for your republican counterparts to take the deal, see the deal they have or is donald trump's influence going to kill the border deal? >> i think that it is heading in that direction that donald trump's influence is going to kill any possibility at making bipartisan progress on an issue that is clearly important to the american people. from the very beginning of this congress, house democrats made clear that we're willing to find bipartisan common ground with our republican colleagues on any issue in order to make progress for the american people. joe biden as president has led in a very bipartisan bipartisan ground in order to make progress for the american people. joe biden as president has led in a bipartisan way. clearly we have a broken immigration system. we need to address the

challenges at the border and do it in a manner consistent with our values and in a bipartisan way, and the republicans have insisted in the last few months this is a challenge that must be met and because they have been told by donald trump to walk away, they are prepared to do just that. >> and they had a long 13-hour hearing yesterday, and perhaps it did come out of the committee and we will see if there's enough votes to get it done in the larger house, and what is your thought about that attempt when "the wall street journal" says this morning you should not impeach somebody on policy, and the democrats are saying let's take the border deal in front of us. what is your response to the

committee to impeach mayorkas. >> these are the individuals who are basically running the house republican conference, which is why we have seen nothing from this do-nothing republican congress but chaos and extremism. we should be focused on national security, public safety, fixing the border. there are many challenges we are ready, willing and able to confront with our republican colleagues in a bipartisan way but they basically have spent this congress engaging in reckless political activity designed to distract from their failed agenda. >> it's great to see you this morning. i want to ask you about the nature of the bill itself. are you worried about the progressive wing of the democratic party, and we are

hearing language this is the toughest immigration bill that we have seen. are you concerned about, a, the progressive wing of the party, and, b, the base, some of the folks reacting to this that might have something to do with the campaign? >> i think the point we made consistently is that anything that emerges from the senate should be consistent with two core american principles. one, we are a nation of immigrants and that will continue to be important to our future competitiveness is what makes us dynamic as a country compared to others who are suffering from demographic challenges, and number two, we are a country anchored in the rule of law. we will evaluate the final proposal once it's put in the public domain, and we will have

something to look at in the way of legislative text, and until that we will make the point that we acknowledge we have to fix our broken immigration system, and it should be done in a comprehensive, bipartisan and humane fashion. >> we heard from president biden yesterday saying he had decided how to respond to the drone strike that killed three u.s. service members, and do you think the president has the authority or does he need to go to congress? what do you think a correct response would be? >> i will defer to the administration with respect to what the appropriate response would be, but it should be clear that it's not acceptable for

anybody to attack our bases in any way, shape, or form. the three americans paid the ultimate sacrifice and we will always honor and cherish them. this is a dangerous world, and iran is a malignant actor, and it's important for the united states to respond, and i am confident biden and the u.s. military will do so in a decisive manner. >> thank you for taking the time to come on the show today. thanks. >> thank you. time for a look at the headlines around the country. ups announced it will be cutting 12,000 jobs globally, blaming labor negotiations and rocky economic conditions.

ups says the cuts will mainly affect management and contractor positions. >> you don't usually see that. ups have so many lifers, and when you get a ups 20, 21, you may still be there at 55 and 60. it's like a family, so this is shocking. >> not only that, but it's indeed, shocking, when you think of the reliability and efficiency of ups, you cannot cut that many people. >> especially, willie, when you look -- we live by packages now. amazon, ups -- crazy. >> 12,000 jobs is not nibbling around the edges. that's a big cut for that company. >> we will talk about this more. in washington state the olympian is requiring a bill for

gun owners to care reinsurance. the nra said the bill would unfairly burden gun owners and call it an attack on second amendment rights. and then "the san diego union" is celebrating the life of chita rivera dies. she was 91 years old. still ahead on "morning joe," a new warning from the cia director about cutting aid for ukraine. we will take a look at what he had to say about empowering not only russia, but possibly china as well. plusa conversation on the maga meltdown over taylor swift

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i don't know if you have seen this but there's some serious crazy talk about taylor swift and joe biden going around right now. you expect it to hear it from a couple nuts and then it disappears and it's picking up steam. the not too swifties got it started like the nfl is rigged for the chiefs, and calling out swift comes out at the half-time show and endorses biden midfield. the same people who believed joe biden has dementia and meets kamala harris to feed him every

night, are the same people that are going to fix the nfl playoffs are -- >> that is whacky stuff. >> that's what is happening. maga world continues to meltdown over taylor swift and travis kelce's relationship. we will have more on that about how donald trump is upset about her popularity -- >> willie, come on. this is cannot be real. >> this is what i heard from the bozos back in '20 -- oh, we are going to stop watching the nfl. i heard that per top republican

operatives, and i mean the top republican operatives, and we are running against kaepernick, and black lives matter, and we're running against all that, and the nfl is left winged and this and that and the other, and we are never going to watch football again. that's what i heard from a lot of people. republicans hate the nfl now. hate them. it's over. they're done. we will just say 19 of the top 20 primetime shows last year, nfl games, 82 of the top 100 tv broadcasts excludeing jonathan lemire and "way too early," it's an asterisk, and now these

triggered little snowflakes are now going after taylor swift. if you are taylor swift, you just can't win. she was -- >> she wins. >> she wins every day. >> politically, remember the left used to attack her. she's like this right-wing nazi-type figure and now it's the right attacking her. it's like, shut up. >> the afc champion game was watched by a record 56 million people, and it peaked at 56 million viewers, and that's not working very well. is this an op on the other side to go after disney if you are ron desantis, and to go after nfl, and maybe one of the five most popular artist in human civilization, let's go after her because she might like a guy on the chiefs and she might be a

democrat. >> yeah, tug on superman's cape, and don't spit in the wind, and you don't mess around with swift! there's no way -- >> there's more on this coming up. meanwhile, donald trump is looking for new or legal representation in his e. jean carroll case -- try to keep a straight face. >> at one point in the proceedings, and i have to say as lawyer i never had seen this myself, and maybe she had a reason to be upset. willie -- >> don't. >> willie, you know, they took away her coloring books. there was a color by number thing on how to be a lawyer when you grow up, and she had -- the judge took them away. >> yeah, some have said -- some have said -- >> not us here. >> some have said she didn't

have the experience to try this case, and it doesn't mean she's not a good lawyer, and maybe she's good for what she does for his club, but -- >> some say she was ill prepared for a case of this magnitude, maybe in the history of the planet. >> it's incredible. we will try and explain why habba is off the case. >> the question is why was she on the case? >> ever? ever? did she forget to check a box -- >> he's always had such great lawyers. >> no, he had bad lawyers, but at least they knew her way around the courtroom, and by the way, either you know your way around the way or not, and speaking as a lawyer that

doesn't know his way around the courtroom, i can tell you it can be a frightening thing. >> you always knew where the vending machines were -- >> yeah, the water cooler. >> yeah, judge, i need to talk to a witness, and then i would leave -- i would go and smoke. i would have an rc cola -- >> dr. pepper. >> habba, and we are learning much more about how much donor money for his legal issues. jonathan lemire, and katty kay

is with us. >> so the carefully crafted bipartisan senate border security package still facing stiff resistance as speaker mike johnson sabotaged his own denial that he's being influenced within the span of one statement. >> come on, man. >> he's been trying to deny but then confirming he's been influence -- >> he might not be ready for primetime. >> judging by his comments he wants to campaign on this issue. you have spoken to him about the senate proposal and are you simply trying to kill this to help him out in the campaign? >> no, manu, that's absurd. we have a responsibility to do our duty, and the first and most

important job of the government is to protect its citizens. i have talked to former president trump about this issue at length and he understands we have a responsibility to do here, and of course, president trump wants to secure the country. >> oh, my. >> the first words out of his mouth, that's absurd. the suggestion i would have spoke to donald trump about this is absurd, and then -- >> he responds, yeah, i spoke to him. >> you have the impeachment of mayorkas for not doing what republicans are refusing to do. again, we have to state this loudly and clearly, because there's misinformation, disinformation on other networks talking about this is the most liberal bill ever.

go back to before donald trump said i am against the bill for political reasons, and they were saying this is the toughest border security bill ever. when you have newt gingrich going -- i won't even say what he said about the bill, and the rest of the people on fox news who are parroting what donald trump said, and they overlook the fact that the "wall street journal" editorial page says don't screw up, republicans. basically saying you have screwed everything else, don't screw ukraine or israel up, get it right. and then the most conservatives out there talking about how this is the toughest border security bill of our time, and donald trump doesn't want to stop fentanyl and legal immigrants from flooding into the country. >> it was the progressives that

said this is too tough. there was concern the republican wouldn't back it and the white house made the decision we are going to be for this, and we know there's a crisis at the border, and political benefits to it as well, and they go for it and then it switched, the progressives oppose identify, and now the republicans are against it, and donald trump wanted it to be a campaign issue. we heard yesterday it may not even get out of the upper chamber. and speaker johnson said this is not going to happen, eddie, because donald trump said he doesn't want it and he wants to campaign on it and therefore nothing will change at the border. >> it let's us know the republicans are not interesting in governing, and these are not the principles that they hold truly or genuinely. to be honest with you, those of

us on the left are still skeptical about the move, and he has to appeal to the swing voters and the like, and to be quiet in the face of it is a hard challenge. look, we are in this moment and this moment is full of -- shall we say not too bright politically. >> donald trump has said this out loud in the last two weeks, just the policy and forget all the other things, all the rapes according to the judge, and forget the 83 million -- for get the stolen nuclear secrets, for get the illegal payoffs to born porn stars. get it out of your mind him

telling his -- >> i don't want you to think about the fact that donald trump said he wanted the chairman of the joint chiefs executed. >> no, no, forget that. >> clean slate. >> he showed his campaign manager, and he said i shouldn't be showing you this because i can't declassify this, but i will show you the war plans for iran -- >> i forget that? that's a lot i pushed off the table. >> i need you to forget what he forgets, that he's running against a guy name joe biden, because he thinks he's running against obama. remember two things this election season. number one, donald trump wants

the economy to crash, and he admitted on television he wants a depression this year. he admitted that. that's number one. number two, donald trump has told the republican party to kill the toughest illegal immigration bill in history -- in history, after making this the centerpiece of every one of his campaigns. talk about him taking those two issues and democrats taking those two issues to the american people. >> well, to begin with, the notion that donald trump is self interested above all in the first case, depression, i want a depression because it will help me win, and then the notion he doesn't have principles on the immigration bill, these are not news flashes to anybody that has been following donald trump for a while, and in particular the first one, i would think, yes,

you would think there would be a political malpractice if you -- like many things that trump says at this point, if you didn't exceed half a billion worth of advertising, he wants a depression before the next election. and the immigration case, this is not to credit him, but you see the whole republican party looking at what happened with abortion, which is the dog that caught the bus. man, we have got to stop abortion and get rid of the roe v. wade, and now they are like, oh, so this is not so great for us politically, and the immigration case is the same thing. hey, build that wall, and let's put armed troops on the southern border and the northern border and do all that stuff, and now a president is not willing to do that far but is willing to do things no democratic president in our lifetime wants to do on the border, and the republicans are going -- maybe we don't want

to catch that bus, because the last time we caught the bus it didn't work out too well. >> and then there was a headline impeaching mayorkas means nothing, and the conclusion is walk away from the nonsense about impeaching mayorkas and take the border security bill serious. >> yeah, and we are hearing from cia director, william burns, who is warning lawmakers against cutting off support for ukraine. he in part rights this, for the united states to walk away from the conflict at this crucial moment and cut off support to ukraine would be an own goal of historic proportions. he points out ukraine aid makes up less than 5% of the u.s. defense budget and argues it's a relatively modest investment but

has geopolitical returns for the united states. he warns that whatever the u.s. decides to do it will send a clear message to china, saying nobody is watching you. and he describes how the war in ukraine quietly corroded and weakened putin, and it's a once in a generation recruiting opportunity for the cia, noting we are not letting this go to waste. >> that's such a burns move. this is like the black friday of recruiting spies. he's planting in putin's mind,

you're weak and we are coming after you. there are so many opportunities. katty, it's important to remember just how weakened russia's military is, and he says putin's military machine -- >> i love the little bit about by the way, and -- yeah, by the way, tinker tailor. they have not done a good job of making the public case to the american people about why they should carry on sending arms and weapons and supplies to ukraine. it's exactly the case that bill burns just laid out for less than 5% of the u.s. defense

budget, ukraine is doing america's work for it, and it's the ukrainians who are dying to -- they are minimizing the power of russia's military, and they are hurting russia economically, and it's a very good argument. it's the argument that basically ukrainians are dying for america's own national interest, and that's a cheap way for america to degrade russia's military and economic power. having it laid out by bill burns is the kind of argument that american officials perhaps could have been making louder for longer, because we have watched the erosion of support, and i think the key to what bill burns says, is this moment, even as we head into a negotiating phase, and it will give them a stronger hand and make sure that russia

is weakened further. by the way, and we can pick up a few spies along the way. >> by the way, putin, oh, never mind, but, yeah, open season on spies. so jonathan lemire, u.s. intel believes that putin is in a position now where he's ready to negotiate. you know, he's showing as strong a hand he can show, and he's ready to negotiate but they can't get to that point until they get an aid package through, and if they don't get the aid package through, then putin will wait for the possibility of donald trump being elected. >> yeah, and that's precisely it. >> by the way, republicans are doing this. republicans are doing this, they are helping the russian invader. it's that clear. >> first republicans started to oppose aid to ukraine when it was a separate matter, and now by opposing the border security

that is linked up, they are doing it again. yes, the last few months have been kinder to putin, but that said as a whole the war has been a disaster for them, and he has lost men and machine, and he's someone who already was paranoid about holding on to power, and he's facing re-election and he will win but he needs to win by as much margin as possible. he's not going to think about going to the negotiating table if the u.s. cannot supply the ukrainians, and the ukrainians are running out of ammunition,ing and putin does see a weakness right now to stay the course, but if there's billions of aid that comes through and ukraine can hold their positions and push russia further back, that's the moment putin will go to the table but

he's not going to do that if the u.s. walks away. >> can you believe the party of reagan, willie, wants to concede ukraine to an ex-kbc agent, and they are the ones right now fighting against border security here in the united states. it's sick. >> we heard just yesterday, actually, republican senators saying to their colleagues in the house, you are handing putin ukraine if they don't get funding, and the point is the republicans in the senate are making the case you are making, which is that get ukraine the money it needs, get israel the support it needs and let's

handle the immigration thing separately and we have it in front of us. take the deal. >> burns is right, china is watching. and china moving in on taiwan, and the united states is looking weak because the house won't fund our allies. >> absolutely. what is driving the hate and anger towards taylor swift and travis kelce. >> is trump really angry? >> it's probably about jelly when somebody gets attention. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. oe." we'll be right back.

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♪ ♪ maga republicans are dialing up the conspiracy theories about taylor swift, following a report the biden campaign is courting her endorsement. in a piece on monday "the new york times" wrote that swift's name was on an endorsement wish list drafted by biden aides. wouldn't you want taylor swift to endorse you? >> sure. >> yeah. >> so this prompted a wave of outrage from the far right wing voices, many of them already critical of her for her endorsement of democrats, and for her relationship of kansas city chief's travis kelce, who is a vaccine supporter. >> this is what idolatry looks like, and if you look it up in

the bible, it's a sin. >> they pitched nato on turning taylor swift into an asset. >> she's a perfect vehicle to go to the low propensity white liberal women. >> we can do this as well, and we don't have a taylor swift on our side, but we have kid rock and ted nugent and all these influencers. >> if my son was dating a girl that had a mouth like a teamster -- >> we have had enough of taylor swift. >> don't get involved in politics. we don't want to see you there. >> get kids plugged into the cycle, playing sports for their school and going to games. >> the first guy saying this is really bad, it's idolatry. >> the irony -- the irony --

>> who would know about that? >> the pot and the kettle. >> idolatry, and then manners. >> very worried about potty mouths. >> how dare she? how dare she? >> yeah. >> it's not just trump supporters, but trump himself recently claimed in private that he was more popular than the music star and his fans were more committed than hers. >> her fans won't actually kill cops and they don't try and take the government over, if that's what you mean. >> if you are gauging commitment on violent acts -- >> they won't take flags and spear law enforcement officers,

if that's what you are talking about. >> he said it made no sense he was not selected for person of the year. >> yeah, and a person familiar with the matter -- >> it's like it's national security. donald trump is in secure about how famous he is, and whoever is more famous gets on the cover of "time," he gets mad and the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. >> and court will be in session today somewhere -- >> yeah, it's the 31st, right? >> yeah, i do think -- >> the judge said -- >> he doesn't have to give a decision. >> which one is? >> which one is this?

>> which one? >> the civil case in -- >> my point is exactly why they want to talk about taylor swift and make up this stuff, because all these people can't talk about e. jean carroll, because if they do it's a glancing mention, and they can't talk about the legal woes of the former president because it messes up their entire narrative, so they have to go to taylor swift. >> it was breaking news at 5:00 on friday -- >> when it actually broke. >> but colin coward took down the deep-seeded misogyny that he thinks is driving much of this. >> there's a lot of weird, lonely and insecure men out there. the fact that a pop star, the

world's biggest pop star is dating a star tight end and a network puts them on the air briefly that it bothers you, what does that say about your life? we celebrate all these goof balls, man and man and it's cool and can i get a selfie and i can't believe -- and the young attractive and beautiful talented woman comes on for 25 seconds and you are bothered. again, judge people by the silly things that bother them. this says nothing -- this anger, this says nothing about taylor swift. it says everything about the men bothered by it. >> joining us now, senior columnist for "the daily beast," matt lewis.

he said far-right snowflakes are terrified of the super bowl and taylor swift. >> he's great. we love him. >> no, that was really good. just kind of long. >> yeah, he did bring up an underlying point that is really important and it's really important, as you see the rise of right-wing populists movements across the world, and is that a large collection of lonely, isolated young men, who are becoming more and more angry, becoming more and more misogynistic, and becoming less and less decent, especially towards women. >> absolutely. you know, the inself -- >> explain, what is incel? >> involuntarily celibate. it's a big problem in japan and

now a big problem in america. look, i think that marriage and women specifically are a civilizing force on men. there's a loneliness epidemic, and i do think kudos to colin, because this is part of the story. a lot of the keyboard warrior types are obsessed with masculinity, and it's kind of ironic in some cases, and they present travis kelce as a macho guy dating taylor swift -- >> by the way, that's kind of a checkmate, right? these snowflakes, they are like, i am so manly, i have a trump hat on, and my suspenders are all red, and then they see travis kelce and they are trying to say, what, he's not a man? it's just such a total checkmate

against all of these -- >> it's insane. >> what snowflakes. >> jason, at the buffalo bills game where he was drinking 30 beers and shirtless, and in frigid buffalo, good luck casting the kelces as some woke soy latte-drinking pajama boys, right? >> there he is. >> jonathan lemire did this a couple times and they kicked him out. >> yeah, 20 beers and i didn't see the fourth quarter. >> katty, let's go back to what colin is talking about as well, and it's a problem with andrew tate where the british government is trying to work to counteract some of the harsher misogynistic statements that have spread among young and

lonely and british males, like young and lonely american males. >> yeah, it's hard to regulate. yes, more regulation could help around the world, but this kind of hate speech around insels, and, yes, that's what they are, and it will just come up somewhere else. because it's global, it comes up everywhere. when you look at what is happening on the right with taylor swift, i just can't see any other way to describe it. it feels like there's this talented young woman, and she gets attention and it drives people crazy. and matt, isn't it that they are jealous and they want to have

taylor swift for themselves? there was somebody that called her a luciferian, and you just try and make her look as terrible as possible. >> it's envy. somebody on twitter compared travis kelce and taylor swift to the homecoming king and queen in high school, and depending on where you were in the pecking order, you may resent that and not like that. in fairness, these people attacking travis kelce and taylor swift, i think there's misogyny and paranoia and conspiracy, and chasing clicks and trying to get youtube views and clicks. there's an element of truth. taylor swift does pose a threat to maga and joe biden. she sent out one instagram post

in 2020 that got 35,000 new people to register to vote. this is an insane fight that they are making with the nfl. by the way, the number one most influential pop star and the world, probably. >> there's another element to this, matt, and it shows you -- i don't want to say the republican party but maga republicans and the online community that you are talking about, because travis kelce did ads for the covid vaccine, aaron rodgers calls travis kelce mr. pfizer, and i guess that's -- >> it's crazy. it's something maybe we have not fully talked about yet this morning, and that is that there's a conspiracy theory very

popular on the right, on twitter, on x, and millions of people are seeing this, and remdesivir sort of eluded to this in a tweet on monday after the chiefs won and were headed to the super bowl, there's a theory that this is a deep state operation that taylor swift and travis kelce are put together, and they are not a real relationship. somehow the nfl rigged it so that the chiefs who, by the way, have gone to four of the last five super bowls, but the nfl rigged it so the chiefs are going to the super bowl and it's a campaign to beat trump. insanity. >> yeah, the cia is good, and they went into texas 25 years ago and made patrick mahomes one of the greatest athletes in the history of sports and got him up

through college and into the nfl and they have been working this for a long time. >> seems like the red sox should be talking more to the cia. >> we should. >> the biden administration is often afforded by one senator by west virginia, but yet they rigged this, pulling off the nfl and taylor swift. >> no idea how they did it. the thing is barack obama was so good at, he figured out how to find stars -- not at this level, but to find stars, especially, and he was brilliant, and he would go and do a youtube, these off-beat youtube interviews -- >> oh, the person with the froot loops -- >> exactly. >> he wanted to get out in front of the low propensity voters, and now with taylor swift, biden is having a hard time with

voters, so she has influence. >> maybe it's a sign that i am an egghead, and this is the symptom of the problem of american politics, you know, that seriousness where we are running deficits, seriousness -- i was writing public opinion in saying the american public had been inundated and were no longer able to take in information where they could become the citizens that democracies require. >> travis kelce said that in the postgame press conference after the championship game, they didn't invoke the entire quote. go ahead. >> no, but -- you just made fun

of me. >> no, i did not. >> around the table we were talking about the seriousness of the election and what is at stake, and you have media operatives talking about taylor swift as a siop, and that blows my mind. congressman dan goldman is standing by, and we will talk about the republicans' attempt to impeach secretary mayorkas. that's next on "morning joe." n. plus 0% interest for 36 months on select smart beds. ends monday. only at sleep number.

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judging by his comment secretly wants to campaign on this issue. have you spoken to him about the senate proposal and are you trying to kill this to help on the campaign ? >> no, that is absurd. we have the response would do right by the american people. the first and most important job of the federal government is to protect its citizens. i have talked to president trump about this issue at length. he understands that. he understands we have responsibility. the president -- president trump wants to secure the country. >> like johnson admitting he is doing everything he called absurd just moments earlier. welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it is! a.m. on the west coast and 9:00 a.m. on the east for joining is now we have the president of the

national action network and host of politics nation, reverend al sharpton. former contribute to washington monthly, chris matthews is with us an opinion editor and author of the prompt 2024 newsletter at the washington post, alexis. >> the speaker of the house says, it is ridiculous. ridiculous of you to suggest that we are doing this because of donald trump and 20 seconds later admits they're doing this because of donald trump. he really sold out the republicans when he said, the first responsibility -- our first responsibility is protecting america, protecting the homeland. they are the ones that are saying, keep the borders open. let the fentanyl in. let the illegal immigrants in because we do know a lot -- do

not want to fix the border. >> if you want to get a good take on mike johnson read liz cheney's book. it used to be that politicians on the opposite is it side, their job was to catch the other side when they did something wrong. for example, a lot of democrats were out there whooping and hollering over watergate. or over bill clinton's behavior. it was a job to catch them when they are wrong. this time around, and is increasingly so, the opposition party is to make sure the party in power in the white house does not get to do anything good. joe biden wants to do something good and he is taking a risk to do it but he is willing to pass something that might hurt. and the younger voters, perhaps pretty is willing to do because he thinks it is good for the country.

what is mike johnson doing? he is trying to kill it. that is what is new in american politics. make sure the other side does not get away with doing anything good which is really pretty rotten. >> working towards compromise on behalf of democracy is more than enough to get republicans punished by their own party. the oklahoma republican party approved a resolution over the weekend condemning and censuring senator james lankford. lankford. >> this is the stupidest thing -- this shows you how stupid these party leaders have become. >> this is twisted. >> reverend al, here is james lankford praised as a conservative conservative from oklahoma. praised by republicans and his own caucus for putting together a compromise and putting forward the toughest border security bill in a generation.

donald trump says, we are against it. now, james lankford is being censured for something that just a couple weeks ago is fine and told donald trump said, no. it shows you what a sick, sick personality cold this party has devolved into. >> personality cult is exactly that. they are going against what they fundamentally believe in. the bill is there kind of language, their kinds of things that they represent that many of us would question and say to the president, you should not do this part of it or that part of it. >> they should not have a problem with this. >> it is what they want. when you're in a called the leader says no and you don't even read the bill or think about it or consider it with ramifications. it is, no. i think that is the danger we are seeing in terms of where this party is going. god

forbid, in my opinion, the way the country is going but it no longer goes by what we believe in. we are dictated by whatever donald trump says and he says the timetable. i need to win the election, i want to go against biden. so, it is no good. and censor anyone that portrays me. we passion -- punish anyone that would betray me. >> what a weak and feeble, castrated party. this republican party is. it donald trump supported this bill, they would have all been rushing. not just the members but also people that you see on fox news. people you see on other networks. they would say, this is the greatest bill ever. >> they are censuring james lankford in his role of the bipartisan negotiations in congress. the party's chair, was not there at the time, called the

resolution invalid. last year the texas republican party voted to censured tony gonzales after he voted for new gun safety laws of following the uvalde school shooting in his district. michigan mikey gop committee is tempted to censure peter meyer after he voted to impeach former president trump for inciting the deadly mob attack at the capital. two republican members of the committee liz cheney and kingsley are providing what they called the persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse. this is so twisted. >> the death of four police officers, who families believe that those death related to donald trump's rides. >> i spent a lot of time in my book about that moment. when it was entered into the rnc chart out to explain away

january 6th. the rights there were deemed political discourse. that was sort of the beginning of the full on effort to whitewash and downplay what happened that day, which is now enabled donald trump to rise above it and suggest that all the investigations into it our deep state conspiracies. all of these examples, including lankford, oklahoma voted for trump. it is the right estate on the map. he has been elected and re- elected there. he has seen as a rock solid conservative. because he dared to defy donald trump -- >> that is the thing. he move forward and then trump decided to jump in. now they are censuring this guy , whose tweets over the past three years, have all been negative towards joe biden. he has been about as loyal a soldier as you can be for the

republicans. he did not defy donald trump. everyone called it the most conservative border bill that he had. until donald trump decided he was against it. >> a bill that is so conservative. a lot of progressives are against us. there are democrats that are opposed. biden feels like it is the way forward. a significant amount of republican support. the senate was lining up behind us. they were on the 5 yard line to get this done. trump came out and said that as susie came out and said, no, the senate turned against it too. and it is dead on arrival. >> you got a speaker but has voted for vladimir putin every time finally came up to try for

the ukrainians to give them support to push the russian invaders out of their country. every time, mike johnson has voted away that putin and the russian invader love but hurt the people that's not the freedom fighters who are trying to liberate their country. >> in a late-night vote house republicans on the homeland security committee approved two articles of impeachment against alejandro mayorkas. the move now sends the vote to the floor where lawmakers can diss died the secretary's fate as soon as next week. the committee says mayorkas, quote, willfully and systemically refused to comply with federal laws over his handling of the war. >> this is such a scam. when you see some of these legal voices on other networks saying it is a scam, you know, just gives up the game. let us bring in congressman dan goldman of new york. thanks for

being here. even if the bill if there were not a bipartisan compromise in the senate that can move forward and secure the border, this would be a preposterous proceeding to level against mayorkas. you add to the fact that there is a solution to the border , according to republicans. the toughest in 30 years. and house zealots are stopping it. it makes this impeachment just crazy. >> it is a double whammy. it is a baseless, lawless and insult to the impeachment clause of the constitution. there is not a single constitutional law scholar about the republicans can cite who supports the fact that these allegations rise to the level of high crimes and

misdemeanors. on top of that, they are trying to impeach secretary mayorkas for failing to secure the border while he is negotiating a deal in the senate, a bipartisan deal design to secure an address the issues at the border. the irony, joe, is beyond any comprehension this border security bill, as far as what we know from it, we have not seen the text, of course, has many things that democrats would oppose. i would oppose a member of the things that i am hearing in the ordinary course. the republicans have previously set it up so that unlocking aid for our democratic allies around the country and the world, ukraine, israel, and taiwan. it is conditioned on a very, very conservative security bill. president biden has indicated his willingness to sign

something that many of us would not otherwise agreed to. still, donald trump does not want to pass this bill and there is only one reason, joe. he does not want to solve the problem. he wants to create a problem so that he can run on it in november. >> it is good for america, he does not want it. >> congressman, let me ask you this pretty represent a huge chunk of new york city. you are familiar with the visibility of this issue. people see this issue every day they walk the streets. we now have -- we reached a stage where republican from oklahoma and democrats from nebraska put together a bill that everyone agrees is the strongest immigration bill over the last 30 or 40 years. yet, we know what it is going to be stopped. the speaker of the house just articulated why it would be

stopped. it would be stopped because donald trump does not want the bill passed because he fears it would be helpful to the biden re-election campaign. no new immigration bill. do you think the white house should be speaking out more on this? i am not talking about the press secretary saying something about this bill. but the president of the united states. would you feel better about the prospects going forward for the biden administration if the president of the united states named names and name culpability? >> i think we actually have to call this out for what it is. and recognizing that they said the quiet part out loud last week by admitting that it is purely political for wide donald trump and house republicans and some senate republicans want to sabotage this bill. they are now moving the goal post thing that joe biden does not need any extra authority or law. that is not, at all, what they have been saying for this entire congress. it is not accurate. president biden has made some strong statements in support of

the bill. we all recognize that the situation at the border is untenable. it is not that anyone on the democratic party does not want to solve the issues at the border. the question is how to effectively do that. what president biden has been suggesting in the supplemental appropriation bill and in other policy changes that he has tried to make but has been sued by republicans in court is to address the border, streamline the asylum process and get rid of the backlog. and final everyone with two ports of entry were everyone can be fed in and be processed properly without staying here for years. our asylum process was created for an important reason, is that many people are escaping horrific conditions around the world, increasingly horrific conditions to seek asylum in the country. we are a country of immigrants. it is what we have always been

and we have always welcomed people facing persecution. we have to be able to get through the assignment process much faster than we are. this is a problem. the fact that president biden is willing to go so much further than any democratic president has ever gone before shows you his commitment to addressing the problems facing the american people. and the fact that the republicans are sabotaging this and trying to undermine it shows how little they care about solving the problems for the people and that politics is everything. >> democratic member of the house, congressman dan goldman, thank you so much. you can read his latest op-ed on msnbc .com. we're winning just how much money donald trump paid in legal fees last year and where the money came. according to two new york times sources the former president spent about $50 million in

donor money on legal expenses in 2023. this was done largely through one of his political action committees, save america. when the funds nearly dried up last year, trump asked for a refund of $60 million, which he initially transferred to another pack meant to support his 2024 campaign. the times also reports that for every dollar donated to his campaign online, trump has directed that $.10 go to his legal bills. yesterday his last remaining opponent in the republican primary race, nikki haley reacted to the report writing on x, quote, another reason donald trump won't debate me he spent $50 million in campaign dollars on his legal fees. he cannot beat joe biden if he is spending all of his time and money on court cases and chaos.

>> $50 million of your supporters going to legal fees. i think nikki haley has raised $50 million in total. you look at the money he spent on his legal fees -- >> that he will be spending. >> look at the poor qualities of his attorneys as well. you wonder where all this money goes. >> it is baffling. when you look at what he is getting in court in terms of these attorneys. >> they are horrible. >> it is absolutely outrageous. we are looking today or the possibility that the judge may come back with the answer on the civil suit by the new york state attorney general, letitia james. she is asking for $370 million in damages and a judge could rule that the trump organization can no longer be run by donald trump. he could have today, or by the

end of the week, another devastating blow that he will have to need a lot more money with more money owed that he will have to cough up or find somebody who is half crazy that will lend him the money, some loan institution. $50 million may not be the end of the road in terms of what he is going to spend. >> there is a reason why he goes to the civil trials and why they are such body blows to him. not just politically but more personally than anything else. the criminal charges, there is 91 counts. those probably seem abstract right now. the only thing that matters to donald trump is money. he lost $83 million. he will probably lose a quarter of $1 billion today. probably not going to be able to run his business is here. you know, he is going to have to find the money to post the bond.

thanks in new york city stopped loaning to him a long time ago. >> every time he makes an appearance at one of these trials and steps outside the courtroom and speaks to reporters, within minutes, a fund-raising email comes out to all supporters. it is like clockwork. the clip of the fiery speech that they can broadcast out. it serves his own true social and rally his troops. it is about raising money because he knows he needs it. reporting here is that it is a 10th of every dollar he has raised goes to legal fees. there is $50 million or more and that number will only rise. >> where does he find the lawyers? who would want to represent him? he's got to be the worst client ever. >> people have said that for years. >> it appears that alina habba will not represent trump in his appeal of the e. jean carroll

's damages case. trump posted late last night he is interviewing law firms to represent him. it came just hours after habba walked back ache conflict of interest claim against judge lewis kaplan, who presided over the trial and roberta claflin. they had worked the large lawn firm in the 1990. she also threatened to file sanctions against habba over the allegations. you ask in your latest promptness might you have a question? >> they just like to shoot their mouths off. it just keeps costing them money. when i say bay, i am talking about trump supporters everywhere. look at rudy giuliani, shoots his mouth off and ruins lives. now, he is facing bankruptcy.

donald trump, who knows, he may be facing bankruptcy. he just keeps shooting his mouth off. he kept being warned. just would not listen. now, you have trump's attorney shooting her mouth off about a judge. who does that? and then has to walk it back because it was not true. >> they all have to follow exactly how to trump behave. apparently alina habba was putting on a different type of performance when trump was in the courtroom when he was not. it is remarkable talk about how much money he has owed already and he stands to pay up in the future for continuing to run his mouth. it is remarkable when the other day he is saying to nikki haley's donors, if you keep donating, you are barred from the maga movement. your money is no good here. as if he has endless amounts of money to pay for these legal fees and damages and things that keep coming up in court. what hurts the most is losing money and losing.

that is what e. jean carroll's case has proven time and again. it is remarkable that the former president of the united states, the current republican front runner for their nominee to be president is found in court to be a liar, and a loser time and time again. >> again, it is the representation and the process that i wonder. throughout this whole second defamation damages trial, the whole process with e. jean carroll -- did donald trump not think he was making matter worse for himself as he continued to defame her? this is -- does his attorneys not tell him to stop? when alina habba came out of court after the most epic loss that i think a manhattan courtroom has seen in terms of defamation damages and going to $5 million all the way to $83.3

million, probably because of his behavior. and then she starts screaming at reporters gibberish. i am not sure where things begin or end in trump's legal team. is he worried, possibly, about litigation that he has ahead senses lawyers are so horrific? >> clearly he sees a need to have different types of legal counsel. one thing we have learned is that whether it is trump or his legal team, they have changed the way that the legal system works or the way you can operate in a courtroom but they are not above the law. and that is true with donald trump in this case and future cases. that is true with someone like, alina habba, who brags that she'd rather be pretty than smart. i think we all learn, just recently, that she is one of those things but not the other. donald trump, of course, needs to find different legal

counsel. that does not mean he will change. he will do exactly what he is doing and he gets in front of his supporters. they know what he will say. it is not just untrue social. he is 77. i don't know how many 77 years older interested in growth and change at this point in their lives. >> alexi, thank you very much. >> on that front, chris, the thing that is devastating to donald trump and should matter to his supporters but don't. a jury of his peers. this was not the deep state. this was not a new york times or msnbc prime time hit job on donald trump. this was not the progress is coming to get him. this was a jury of donald trump's peers. and even through the demographic of it, most of them were white.

there were quite a few men on the jury. this was not some left-wing progressive gathering. it was surgery of trauma's peers and they found him guilty. >> alina habba kept saying this is not america. as if it was not a jury. >> that is the stupidity of it all. it was about as american as you get. you have a jury of your own peers coming to this decision. trump is just going to keep -- i mean, things are going to keep getting worse for them, aren't they? >> i think you mentioned this in the earlier hour how polling shows average voters see convictions of felonies as serious business. it does affect, at the margins, how people are going to vote in

november. i am looking at all the 200 people at the attack on the i january 6th. a guy who pled cases of felony convictions and accepted them. i look at rudy giuliani, who will never pay off his debts right now. and the e. jean carroll case with the $5 million and 83 and now we are looking at 307 this afternoon. it is all catching up to donald trump, the jury system, as you put it. the criminal code of our country, crime and punishment, is working against trump print and will work against them according to the polls in november because people will take it seriously. as you pointed out, there is a jury of his peers that will be a real jury in the d.c. case on january 6th. if he gets convicted, perhaps in march, everyone will know about it. i am sure we will have the same kind of vote in oklahoma where they say, he is a good guy.

liz cheney is no good. he is the good guy. in the real jury, the real jury of one order and crime and punishment, he will be found guilty. it is already working with the e. jean carroll case. and it is working with regard to nikki haley. she is driving him crazy because it is one more woman who has the nerve to come out here and say what she thinks with ambition, in this case, which is good. and she wants to take him on and beat him. you have george well and peggy noonan this week. have you been watching the colonists and they are all coming out against trump for nikki haley. they want her to hurt this guy. >> the crazy thing is, we see that $83.3 million on the tv screen. what was it $5 million originally? if he kept his mouth shut, if he did not keep defaming a woman

, it would've been $5 million. but he just could not keep his mouth shut. this has been his biggest problem. he has never had anybody around him to say, no. we all do have people around us that tell us, no. >> joe, i think you just put your finger on the root of this issue. the root of the cause that we are talking about, donald trump not being able to keep his mouth shut. it is delusion. this is a man who has lived in a universe of self constructed delusion for eight or nine years or longer. no one walked into the oval office and said, mr. president, you are wrong. no one walks into his life that says that is wrong. no one does that to him. he has this sense of self- delusion that has built, and built over the years until now we see.

>> donald trump and his lawyer were shameless, vulgar and rude throughout the entire judgment debtor how many trials it was now. and this phase of figuring out what the liability is. they are paying for it. it did not have to be. but you are so stupid that you thought it was fun to be rude? >> what do you think the tab was before it was notified to the public that was $83.3 million? what you think it was before he got up in the middle of the summation from the defense lawyer and walked out? >> and talks -- >> in front of the jury. >> not the deep state here. not the state department. not the fbi. not what ever deep state bs his supporters are going to turn out -- they were a jury of his peers. they saw how he behaved. again, there is a price to this

but we talked about gravity returning. there is a price to all of this bad behavior. >> weather are lying about sandy hook or lying about workers in georgia. there is a cost of the line. >> there is a cause. here is a jury of nine. but seven men, one black. he cannot say it was women. it was minorities that don't like me. these were his peers. they gave him $83.3 million in three hours. >> still ahead, investors are eyeing a potential decision from the fed on rate cuts as the central bank prepares to have its first meeting of year today. we will talk to our report about what to expect. plus a new push while a small group of companies are ending remote work. you are watching "morning joe." we will be right back .

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35 pass the airport a live look at los angeles for you. this afternoon the federal reserve will hold its first rate meeting of 2024. the central bank has indicated it expects three rate cuts this year while some economists are predicting as many as five. for more, let a spring in dom . what do you know? >> go to the land of milk and honey. manna from heaven. >> it is rate cuts galore. the markets are already pricing with why you are seeing the record high right now. today's decision is going to be even more heavily scrutinized than usual. it will be a chance for american central bank to set or reset expectations about what it will do with our nation money supply.

the consensus for today is no change. that is the baseline scenario. no change to rate policy. anything else, by the way, to lead to all kinds of market volatility upside or downside. that is not what the fed wants to do right now when things look to be stabilizing on the job done, on the inflation front. instead, the rate decision statement becomes the focus. it will come down, in part, to weather the bad changes in the language and how it characterizes the current state of the policy. in recent months, the fed has indicated that is decision has come down to whether or not to raise interest rates given what it sees and economic data. if they remove or soften the language in the statement, that could be the first step, possibly, hypothetically, in showing the market it is not as much about raising rates or possibly holding or cutting rates. for what it is worth, traders

are pricing in the slew of rate cuts starting as early as march. it could be a scenario where they get more intelligence, more data from this and the press conference afterwards. one huge part of the story will come down to the jobs picture. it remains strong, no doubt. over the course of the last several months, we have seen more and more layoff announcements. most relay from companies like u.p.s., google, paypal -- in today's day and age workers who are affected by jobs cuts are turning more and more and more to social media platforms to share their stories. it used to be that losing one's job was something you kept private or was the source of shame or embarrassment. that paradigm has changed. and many workers, younger ones, are ready and willing to share their pain and anger with the world on social media. speaking of the workplace dynamics, for as much talk as there was about work from home and hybrid work during the wake

of the covid pandemic, there is a growing number of companies are pushing for workers to come to the office at least three days a week trade in some cases, some are pushing for full-time return to office five days a week. companies, like u.p.s., and j.p. morgan, chase, boeing, are among some companies you are requiring certain employees and management teams be back at the office full-time. you put that along side companies, like ibm, which early this week told its managers that they come into the office three days a week or risk losing their jobs. they also said that remote workers, who live more than 50 miles away from the office, have until this summer to relocate closer to the offices unless they have an exemption for medical reasons or military service. this whole paradigm for work, for much as we talk about it, is still definitely in a huge state of flux. >> it really is. that is five days.

dominc chu, thank you very much. i think hybrid is the future. no? >> there is certainly a movement. it is hard to ask workers to come back to the office five days a week. i do think that will be in existence of at least three or four. there will be flexibility depending on the industry. some jobs will need all five. others, it will be hard to get workers to agree. >> it does depend on the industry. it also depends on how many plays we are talking about. for instance, the big banks. take j.p. morgan -- they are going to insist on five days a week because of internal culture. your shaking your head, i'm just telling you the truth. they are going to say you have to come to work. you have to know the person sitting next to you. you have to coffee with them. you have to have lunch with them and get to know them and know what they do so that you

know what they do. that is happening now. >> there just not interested, millennial's. >> especially for women or for families, i include men in this it is important to go in and connect and make connections and build those connections to work together and collaborate. now that we know that it can be done from home in dire circumstances, like a covid pandemic, i don't understand why one or two days or once in a while working from home is a problem. i think it is great. >> so much of it depends on what the job is in the job entails. there is some places where, especially for younger workers, they need to be -- >> they need to interact. >> look at mike growing up in

journalism but when you're young, you need to be in the newsroom. you cannot be in your apartment five days a week. same thing level lawyers. it is dependent. i think it would be in more creative spaces, work where you do your best work. >> totally. it is definitely exasperating this culture class between younger workers and older workers. you're going to office and spending all day on june calls, it is pretty hard to justify why you are forcing people to commute. and having to move back to high cost areas, that is a problem. we have a labor shortage. there is a culture class especially in financial services, which is much less appealing to young people than it used to be. kids are not going to the big banks. are going to silicon valley or other businesses. let us see how this plays out. we are never going back to that in certain industries. >> i tend to agree. you are here because you really help a focus group in south carolina. voters there, especially women

voters. what did you find? >> i was in spartanburg, south carolina, on monday. it is a little more liberal bubble in a very red south carolina. we were there with a group called the south carolina women lead. it is an amazing group which trains women to run for office and do public service. south carolina -- i think this is really itching with nikki haley -- 49th in the nation for women's representation in government. the only state that is worse is mississippi. there only state in the country with on all-male supreme court. very serious issues in terms of gender inequality there. this was a fairly evenly divided between democrats, republicans and independents. their top issues -- the top two issues, concern over democracy and abortion rights. i was fascinated that democracy was so high on the list. we are seeing that reflected in some of our national polls, also.

here is what was so interesting and i want to hear what you have to say. we did a bunch of women -- women who said, in an open primary in south carolina, i am willing to do anything to keep donald trump coming present again. should i be voting for nikki haley? should i cross over and vote for her just to stem his momentum in the state of south carolina? i am hearing a lot of people are thinking about that. there is about a month or three weeks ago. it is an interest in question. how many democrats will cross over to vote for herkimer it is a fascinating question. i don't know what to say. >> what is more fascinating, at least to me, if we could put the number of the poll back on the screen, guns, crime and immigration, only 3% compared to the state of democracy, abortion. only 3%? what are these women's lives like? >> it is a small focus group it

is not a national poll. it was really interesting. this is a group of women who are paying attention and care a lot about what is happening in american politics. a lot of anxiety about donald trump, even among some of the republicans in the room. there is a real concern. among a group of women who care about our political process and want to see better representation. honestly, it is very real and is like south carolina, where you're 51% of the population and 49th in the nation of representation. that makes that breakdown in democracy real. not just about trump but representation in your own state. >> ceo and cofounder of all and together, moran, thank you so much. it is great to see you. still ahead, a republican, sherman bennett what can happen if you brag about legislation for your district that you did not vote for. we will show you that moment i had on "morning joe."

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maria elvira salazar of florida is facing questions about a statement she made regarding government funding. salazar posted on x last month about proud she was to have secured funds to create jobs and businesses within her district. >> that is great. that is what that's great, rig? that's what you want to do if you're a member of congress. you vote for those bills that help your district, and then you go back and say i voted for this bill that helped my district. >> that money actually was secured through a bill the congressman voted against. >> oh. >> she was challenged on that. >> why would she do that? >> in an interview over the weekend. >> last month you were at fiu,

and you presented a check for $650,000 to help small businesses at fiu, but you voted against the bill that gave the money that you then signed a check for and handed and had a photo op, the consolidated appropriations act of 2023, right? you voted against that bill. >> right now you have to give me more details, but i do know that every time i have an opportunity to bring money to my constituents i do so. i just did -- i just did $400,000, but look -- >> you voted against the chips and science act, right? >> listen, right now i need to -- i need to ask my staff, but why don't we look at the $40 million that i have brought to this community. are you proud of me? >> the money that you talk about, the $40 million that you bring back to the district, sometimes that money comes from bills that you voted against. you voted against the chips act, and yet you praised the fact that the south florida climate resilience tech hub is going to

be start instead miami, right? you voted against the infrastructure bill and you talk about all the money that comes back to the airport. so at the same time that you're taking credit for the money that you bring back to the district, in washington you're voting against these projects on party line votes. >> listen, that was i think last cycle. i cannot really remember right now. >> wow. >> that was hard to watch. >> you know, words that never came from my mouth in an interview is i got to ask my staff how i voted on $650,000. >> i'm so shook. >> that came to the district that i voted against. they voted against everything. you see this is the whole do nothing republican deal. they're not only doing nothing, as chip roy and all these republicans are saying admitting, but the good things that joe biden's getting done, they're voting against. so rev, what do you run on? >> you run to your staff saying

what she said, i have to check with my staff. what she's really admitting is i can't justify my vote and i'm doing things that don't make sense for my constituents. she forgets who sent her to washington. >> okay. >> now, we have a reunion here -- >> i think we need to read some poetry. >> we have a reunion here going all the way back to 1978. you haven't seen rev since 1978. >> well, no, in person. >> but no, i was a 10-year-old attending a school, independent black school in brooklyn new york marching over the brooklyn bridge, to protest the killing of arthur miller, a black man. >> that was in my track suit days when i was about 300 pounds. he wouldn't say that. >> exactly. you weren't wearing that suit in '78. >> at the inauguration of president joe biden three years ago amanda gorman became the youngest inaugural poet ever in

the united states at just 22 years old. she recited her poem entitled "the hill we climb". >> if we're to live up to our own time, then victory won't lie in the blade but in all of the bridges we've made. that is the promise to glade, the hill we climb if only we dare it because being american is more than a pride we inherit. it's the past we step into and how we repair it. we've seen a forest that would shatter our nation rather than share it, would destroy our country if it meant delaying democracy. in and this effort very nearly succeeded. but while democracy can be periodically delayed, it can never be permanently defeated. >> now gorman is being featured with 139 other poets in the new book entitled "this is the

honey" an anthology of contemporary black poets and joining us now, the book's editor emmy award winning producer and "new york times" best selling author, kwame alexander. >> thanks so much for being here. what is so wonderful about this, we talk about two truths, being able to be held at the same time. you talk about black poetry as a way to resist and also a way to uplift, to say we are still here. and you say in the introduction, langston said it best, folks i'm telling you, birthing is hard, and dying is mean, so get yourself a little loving in between. >> and i feel like that's what we need right now. mika was earlier talking about connection. we want to be able to connect with ourselves, with each other as a community to come together in unity. what better way to do that than through the words on a page than through poetry that inspires, that uplifts, that ultimately makes us feel good and makes us feel grounded like i felt on

that brooklyn bridge when you all started singing we're fired up. we can't take no more. words are powerful. >> and what was your inspiration to bring all of this together? >> when the world is not so beautiful, y'all, you know, twh there's chaos, when there's uncertainty, when there's war, when there's banned books, when there's all these things that are making us feel uncomfortable at best and just these feelings of tragedy at worst, we need a soft, we need a bone. in the book of jeremiah, they talk about the balm of gilead. we need to have something that offers us some healing that saves us, and i posit that poetry in its rhythm, conciseness, in its beauty. >> there's a balm in gilead. >> there is. >> let me ask you this. >> yes. >> it's very important what you're saying, black poets are not just for blacks.

talk about how this book can bring the country together across racial and gender lines because this is not a book for blacks about their poetry. it's for everybody coming from a black experience. >> look, you know, this book is not the caged bird. this is the bird being freed. this book is not us being filled by the storm. this book is the rainbow. we all, joe, laugh, hope, dream, smile, have crushes, dance, live, love. everybody does that. poetry can help us be able to imagine and reimagine what our humanity is and ultimately help us all become better human beings. >> kwame, can you do us a favor. turn to page 17, black boys by tony medina, could you read just a couple of paragraphs from that poem? >> this is it, mike. this is about what i call matter

of fact black. black boys scrape their knees. they bleed, black boys cry and scream, they tackle life like air gliding on wind, basking in a breeze. black boys sit we beneath trees, inhale fresh cut grass and dream. black boys play with building blocks, are fascinated by clocks, cradle skateboards under their arms. black boys love basketball and books, joe. >> mm-hmm! yeah. >> we got to embrace the full humanity so we can begin to appreciate each other beyond the color lines. >> the shared experience, which is why, rev, what you were saying, this is not a book for blacks. this is a book for all of us because through this poetry, yeah, you see the shared experience. do you have a favorite? >> yes, it's the first one. >> my favorite -- >> it's the first one. >> my first one is the favorite. it's the nikki giovanni.

>> it's called quilting the black eyed pea. >> put your favorite first, like we baptists put holy holy holy as hymn number one. >> it's a little long. >> it is. >> read your favorite part. >> my favorite part? >> i got something better, if you don't mind. here i am taking over your show, it's my first time. it's an honor to be on the show. i watch this every morning. >> it's an honor to have you here. >> to echo the poem you read from langston hughes to show that we're writing in the tradition, these are pulitzer poets. these are emerging poets. we got them all. this is by one of my peers, it's called that's my heart right there. >> oh, yeah, i saw that. >> it's on page 53 if you want to turn to your text. i would imagine -- >> it's like bible study. >> you can tell he's got some tricks. >> i can imagine this is the kind of poem joe might have read to you. >> let's hear this. we used to say that's my heart

right there as if to say don't mess with her right there. as if don't even play, that's a part of me right there, in other words, okay, okay, that's the start of me right there. as if come that day, that's the end of me right there, as if push come to shove, i would fend for her right there. as if come what may, i would die for her right there. >> uh-huh. >> yeah, so i just feel like that's -- >> everybody can relate to, that right? >> love. >> this is amazing. this is the honey, all right? an anthology of contemporary black poets, editor and "new york times" best selling author, kwame alexander, thank you so much for coming on this morning. >> come back. come back. we need more poetry. >> i know, i feel really uplifted. >> and thank you all for your inspiration, especially you. >> thank you. >> appreciate you. >> of course, the rev. >> do you like rev better in the track suit or in the tailored suit? >> hey, it's all evolving. it's evolution.

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