why did he quit? >> senator, we also do not allow -- >> why did he quit? >> we do not allow this -- >> he quit. he gave up a good job because he thinks your platform is being used to help people who want to destroy the jewish state. i'm not saying you want that. mr. zuckerberg, i'm not saying you want as an individual any of the harms. i am saying that the product you have created, with all the up sides, have a dark side. mr. citron, i'm tired of talking, i'm tired of having discussions. we know the answer here. here's the ultimate answer. stand behind your product. go to the american courtroom and defend your practices. open up the courthouse door. until you do that, nothing will change. until these people can be sued for the damage they're doing, it is all talk. i'm a republican who believes in free enterprise. but i also believe that every american who has been wronged

has to have somebody to go to do complain. there is no commission to go to that can punish you. there is not one law on the book because you oppose everything we do and you can't be sued. that has to stop, folks. how do you expect the people in the audience to believe that we're going to help their families if we don't have some system or combination of systems to hold these people accountable because for all the up side, the dark side is too great to live with. we do not need to live this way as americans. >> thank you, senator graham. senator klobuchar is next. she's been quite a leader on the subject for quite a long time. the shield act and with senator cornyn on the revenge porn legislation. senator klobuchar. >> thank you very much, chairman durbin, and thank you ranking member graham for those words.

i couldn't agree more. for too long we have been seeing the social media companies turn a blind eye when kids have joined these platforms in record numbers. they have used algorithms that push harmful content, because that content got popular. they have provided a venue, maybe not knowingly at first, but for dealers to sell deadly drugs like fentanyl. our own head of our drug enforcement administration has said they basically have been captured by the cartels in mexico, and in china. so, i strongly support, first of all, the stop csam bill. i agree with senator graham that nothing is going to change unless we open up the courtroom doors. i think the time for all of this immunity is done because i think money talks even stronger than we talk up here.

two of the five bills that is noted are my bills with senator cornyn. one is actually passed through the senate, but is waiting action in the house. but the other one is the shield act and i do support -- appreciate that support of that bill. this is about revenge porn. the fbi director testified before this committee and has been over 20 suicides of kids attributed to online revenge porn in just the last year. but, for those parents out there, and those families, this is for them about their own child, but it is also about making sure this doesn't happen to other children. i know because i've talked to these parents. parents like brigitte nouri from hastings, minnesota, who is out there today, brigitte lost her teenage son after he took a fentanyl laced pill that he purchased on the internet, amy neville is also here, platform

got the pill. amy neville is also here, her son alexander was only 14 when he died after taking a pill he didn't know was actually fentanyl. we're starting a law enforcement campaign, one pill kills in minnesota, going to the schools with the sheriffs and law enforcement. but the way to stop it is at the border and the points of entry, but we know that 30% of the people that are getting the fentanyl are getting it off the platforms. meanwhile, social media platforms generated 11 billion in revenue in 2022 from advertising directed at children and teenagers, including nearly 2 billion in ad profits derived from users age 12 and under. when a boeing plane lost a door in midflight, several weeks ago, nobody questioned the decision

to ground a fleet of over 700 planes. so why aren't we taking this same type of decisive action on the danger of these platforms, when we know these kids are dying. we have bills that have passed through this incredibly diverse committee, when it comes to our political views, that have passed through this committee and they should go to the floor. we should do something about liability and then we should turn to some of the other issues that a number of us have worked on when it comes to the charges for app stores and when it comes to some of the monopoly behavior and the self-preferencing. but i'm going to stick with this today. facts, one-third of fentanyl cases investigated over five months had direct ties to social media. that's from the dea. fact, between 2012 and 2022

cybertip line reports of online child sexual exploitation increased from 415,000 to 32 million. and as i noted, at least 20 victims committed suicide in sextortion cases. my bill includes a threat provision that would help protection and accountability for those that are threatened by these predators. young kids get a picture, send it in, think they got a new girlfriend, or a new boyfriend, ruins their life, they think it is going to be ruined and they kill themselves. could you tell me why you're not supporting the shield act? >> senator, we think it is very important that teens have a safe experience on our platforms. i think that the -- to

investigate crimes against children and hold bad actors accountable -- >> you're holding open you may support it? >> we would like to have conversations with you. we're open to discussing further. and we do welcome legislation and regulation. this is a very important issue for our country, and we have been prioritizing the safety for -- >> thank you. i'm much more interested in if you support it. there has been so much talk at these hearings and popcorn throwing and the like, i want to get this stuff done. i'm so tired of this. it has been 28 years since the internet. we haven't passed any of these bills because everyone double talked, double talked. it is time to pass them. what you say matters. your words matter. mr. chew, i'm a co-sponsor of chair dermott's stop csam act of 2023 with senator holly, the lead republican, i believe, which among other things empowers victims by making it

easier for them to ask tech companies to remove the material and related imagery from their platforms. why would you not support this bill? >> senator, we largely support it, i think the spirit of it is very aligned with what we want to do. there are questions about implementation that i think companies like us and some other groups have, and we look forward to asking those. of course, if this legislation is law, we will comply. >> mr. spiegel, i know we talked ahead of time, i do appreciate your company's support for the cooper davis act, which will finally -- it is a bill with senator shaheen and marshall which will allow law enforcement to do more when it comes to fentanyl. i think you know what a problem this is. a teenager from hastings, i mentioned his mom is here, suffered dental pain and migraines so he bought what he thought was a percocet over snap, but instead he bought a counterfeit drug laced with a lethal dose of fentanyl. as his mom who is here with us

today, said all of the hopes and dreams we as parents had for devin were erased in the blink of an eye and no mom should have to bury their kid. talk about why you support the cooper davis act. >> senator, thank you. we strongly support the cooper davis act. we believe it will help dea go after the cartels and get more dealers off streets to save more lives. >> okay. are there others that support that bill? no. okay. last, mr. zuckerberg, in 2021 "the wall street journal" reported on internal matter research documents asking why do we care about tweens, these were internal documents, i'm quoting the documents. in answering its own question by citing meta internal emails. they are a valuable but untapped audience. at a commerce hearing, i'm also on that committee, i asked meta's head of global safety why children aged 10 to 12 are so

valuable to meta, she responded, we do not knowingly attempt to recruit people who aren't old enough to use our apps. well, when the 42 state attorneys general, democrat and republican, brought their case, they said this statement was inaccurate. few examples in 2021, she received an email, miss davis, from instagram's research director saying that instagram is investing and experiencing targeting young age roughly 10 to 12. in a february 2021 instant message, one of your employees wrote that meta is working to recruit gen alpha before they reach teenage years. a 2018 email that circulate inside meta says that you were briefed that children under 13 will be critical for increasing the rate of acquisition when users turn 13. explain that with what i heard at that testimony at the commerce hearing that they

weren't being targeted, and i just ask, again, as the other witnesses were asked why your company does not support the stop csam act or the shield act. >> sure, senator, happy to talk to both of those. we had discussions internally about whether we should build a kid's version of instagram, like the -- >> i remember that. >> like youtube and other services. we haven't actually moved forward with that. we have no plans to do so. so, i can't speak directly to the exact emails that you cited, but it sounds to me like they were deliberations around a project that people internally thought was important and we didn't end up moving forward with. >> okay. and the bills -- >> sure, so overall, my position on the bills is i agree with the goal of all of them, there are most things i agree with within them, there are specific things that i would probably do differently. we also have our own legislative

proposal for what we think would be most effective in terms of helping the internet and the various companies give parents control over the experience. so i'm happy to go into the detail in any of one of them. >> again, i think these parents will tell you that -- the stuff hasn't worked to just give parents control, they don't know what to do. it is very, very hard and that's why we are coming up with other solutions that we think are much more helpful to law enforcement, but also this idea of finally getting something going on liability because i just believe with all the resources you have, that you actually would be able to do more than you're doing. or these parents wouldn't be set sitting behind you now in this senate hearing room. >> can i speak to that or come back later? >> please, go ahead. >> i don't think the parents should have to upload and i.d. proof that you're the parent of

a child of every single app they use. i think the right place to do it and the place where it is easy to work is in the app stores themselves are where my understanding is apple requires parental consent when a child does a pavement with an app, so it should be trivial to pass a law that requires them to make it so that parents have control anytime a child downloads an app. and offers consent of that. and the research that we have done shows that the vast majority of parents want that, and i think that's the type of legislation in addition to the other ideas you all have that would make this a lot easier for parents. >> just to be clear, i remember one mom telling me, with all these things she could maybe do she can't figure out, it is like a faucet overflowing in a sink and she's out there with a mop while her kids are getting addicted to more and more apps and being exposed to other material. i don't think this is going to

be the way to do it. the answer is opening up the halls of the courtroom so that puts it on you guys to protect these parents and protect these kids and then also to pass on these laws that makes it easier for law enforcement. >> thank you, senator klobuchar. we're going to try to stick to the seven minute rule. didn't work very well, but we're going to -- i'll try to give additional time on the other side as well. senator cornyn. >> there is no question that your platforms are very popular. but we know that while here in the united states we have an open society, and free exchange of information that there are authoritarian governments, there are criminals who will use your platforms for the sale of drugs, for sex, for extortion, and the like. and mr. chew, i think your company is unique among the ones

represented here today because of its ownership by bytedance, a chinese company and i know there are some steps you've taken to wall off the data collected here in the united states, but the fact of the matter is that under chinese law, chinese national intelligence laws, all information that accumulated by companies in the people's republic of china are required to be shared with the chinese intelligence services. bytedance, the initial release of tiktok, i understand, was 2016. these efforts that you made with oracle under the so-called project texas to wall off the u.s. data was in 2021, apparently allegedly fully walled off in march of '23. what happened to all of the data

that tiktok collected before that? >> senator, thank you. >> from american users. >> understand. tiktok is owned by bytedance, which is majority owned by global investors. we have three americans on the board out of five. you are right in pointing out that over the last three years we have spent billions of dollars building our project texas, a plan that is unprecedented in our industry, to wall off firewall off protected u.s. data from the rest of our staff. we also -- >> i'm asking about all the data you collected prior to that event. >> yes, senator. we finished the first phase through our data centers outside of the oracle cloud infrastructure and we're beginning phase two where we will not only delete from the data centers, we will hire a third party to verify that work. and we will go into, for example, employee working laptops to delete that as well. >> was all the data collected by

tiktok prior to project texas shared with the chinese government pursuant to the national intelligence laws of that country? >> senator, we have not been asked by any data by the chinese government and we never provided it. >> your company is unique, again, among the ones represented here today because you're currently undergoing review by the committee on foreign investment in the united states. is that correct? >> senator, yes, there are ongoing discussions and a lot of our project texas work is informed by the discussions with many agencies under the cfius umbrella. >> cfius is designed to review foreign investments in the united states for national security risks, correct? >> yes, i believe so. >> and your company is currently being reviewed by this interagency committee of the -- at the treasury department for

potential national security risks. >> senator, this review is on acquisition of music, an acquisition that was done many years ago. >> is this a casual conversation or are you actually providing information to the treasury department about your -- how your platform operates for evaluating a potential national security risk? >> senator, it has been many years across two administrations and a lot of discussions around how our plans are -- how our systems work. we have a lot of robust discussions about a lot of detail. >> 63% of teens i understand use tiktok. does that sound about right? >> senator, i cannot verify that. we know we're popular among many age groups. the average age is over 30. but we're aware we're popular. >> and you reside in singapore,

with your family, correct? >> yes, i have -- i reside in singapore and work here in the united states as well. >> do your children have access to tiktok in singapore? >> senator, if they lived in the united states, i would give them access to under 13 experience. my children are below the age of 13. >> my question is, in singapore, do they have access to tiktok or is that domestic law? >> we do not have an under 13 experience in singapore. we have that in the united states. we have a mixed audience app and we created under 13 experience in response to that. >> "the wall street journal" article published yesterday directly contradicts what your company stated publishly. publicly.

do you dispute that? >> yes, senator. there are many things about the article that are inaccurate. what it gets right is this is a voluntary project that we built, we spent billions of dollars, there are thousands of employees involved and it is very difficult because it is unprecedented. >> why is it important that the data collected from u.s. users be stored in the united states? >> senator, this was a project in response to some of the concerns that were raised by members of this committee and others. >> and that was because of concerns that the data that was stored in china could be accessed by the chinese communist party by -- according to the national intelligence laws, correct? >> senator, we are not only company that does business, you know, that has chinese employees, for example. we're not the only company in

this room that hires chinese nationals. in order to address the concerns, we have moved the data into the oracle cloud infrastructure, built a 2,000 person team to oversee the management of the data based here. and then we open it up to third parties like oracle, and we on board others to give them third party validation. this is unprecedented access. i think we're unique in taking even more steps to protect user data in the united states. >> you disputed "the wall street journal" story published yesterday. are you going to conduct any sort of investigation to see whether there is any truth to the allegations made in the article or are you just going to dismiss them outright? >> we're not going to dismiss them. we have ongoing security inspections, not only by our own personnel, but also by third parties to ensure that the system is rigorous and robust. no system that anyone can build is perfect. we need to make sure we're always improving it and testing

it against those who try to bypass it. if anyone breaks our policies within our organization, we take disciplinary action against them. >> thanks, senator cornyn. senator coons. >> good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart. we have been listening in on an important hearing on capitol hill where members of the senate judiciary committee are questioning some of the world's most powerful tech leaders on what they call a crisis for america's children, stemming from a lack of protection on these platforms, particularly sexual exploitation. the heads, you've been watching this of meta, tiktok, appearing voluntarily, the leaders of snap, discord and x all had to be forced to come with a subpoena. joining us now, ryan nobles, and nbc news senior national correspondent kate snow and "new york times" technology reporter mike issac. what have we been hearing so far? there has been some pretty

intense back and forth at times. >> reporter: yeah, you know, jose, i've been struck by how forceful the members of this panel had been, kind of holding these tech ceos to account. this isn't just a fact finding mission on their behalf. they're clearly using this bully pulpit and this forum to really grill them about the many instances of children being subjected to sexual content to being exploited to even leading to situations where children have been hurt or lost their lives as a result of their interaction on these social media platforms and made it very clear that they don't believe that these ceos have done enough to police their platforms in order to prevent this from happening. and then by extension, there is clearly a desire by these members of this panel to figure out what they can do to try and enforce this regulation, to try and convince these ceos and put into statute a guardrail to

prevent this from happening in the future. you know, one of the big struggles that washington continues to deal with is a way to apply laws which in many ways are old laws to new technology and to do it in a rapid enough succession that will have an impact before that technology goes to the next level. and that's clearly one of the things that these lawmakers are wrestling with. but, you know this is one of these issues where we often hear these members of congress complain, be very angry, demand answers, but then it rarely, especially when it comes to this topic in particular, manifests itself in tangible legislation or laws that are put on the books. i believe there has been only one significant piece of legislation in a decade that deals with children and their online activities. so, you know, we're going to continue to see this play out, but i'm interested to see as this hearing continues, you know, the question of the tech ceos, what can we do, what type

of regulations can be put into place to protect kids? there is something as simple as trying to verify that when a kid puts his birth -- his or her birth date into a social media platform that that birth date can be verified and it is not some predator just pretending to be a child. doesn't seem to be a simple answer to a problem that is as big as that when it comes to social media interaction in children. >> the difficulty has been that any legislation proposed or conceived of has seen the complete opposition by the powerful groups. >> reporter: that's right. just a simple fact that they -- many of them, not all, but many of them were forced to appear today under subpoena shows this kind of push and pull that there has been between these powerful tech titans and members of congress. this is not necessarily a forum they want to be in.

to that end, though, there have been pieces of legislation that these companies, not all of them, but some of them have endorsed that would allow for regulation, in some respects the tech companies are crying out for regulation. they don't necessarily like that it is the wild west. but it is finding that common ground, piece of legislation that allows for the free flow of ideas on the internet and allows for freedom of speech, for all of these things that the constitution protects while at the same time providing that regulation that would prevent the tragedies from happening. that's the sweet spot that washington has been unable to find and the hope would be that these hear,s would help move them in a direction where they could find that common ground. >> and, kate, in the hearing today, you have families there who have been affected and hurt by social media. you have spoken to some of those families. what issues do they want to address and what action do they want to see from these

platforms? >> yeah, jose. i've spoken to at least half a dozen families who are in the room right now watching. many of them, by the way, wearing black and just before the hearing started, i don't know if you have this video, but we took some video of these families standing up and holding up pictures of their loved ones and that was just as the ceos were being seated. so clearly they were seeing these families and you heard them be asked by some of the senators specifically about incidents that senators knew of involving families who lost loved ones and in various different ways because of something that happened on social media. i would point out that both senator graham, the republican ranking member of this committee and senator durbin, the democratic chairman, they both asked repeatedly these ceos about why they should not be held liable for the deaths or for the incidents that these families have endured. the ceos didn't answer that question directly, but as our viewers probably know, there are protections right now under federal law, one that is known

as section 230 that really shields these social media companies from any form of civil liability. the argument being that they don't control what people write on their platforms, and so they're not liable for discussions and content that is just on their platform, that is not their fault. a lot of these senators are arguing, bipartisan way, that that needs to change, that they should in fact be liable. i know that's what these families would like to see. they -- a lot of them feel like they have never been able to get justice for what was done. they also would like to prevent these crimes and these situations from happening in the first place when it comes to exploitation, when it comes to cyberbullying, when it comes to buying pills through any of these social media apps, including snapchat, for example, a lot of families in there now are people who lost their kids because their kids bought something through snapchat or through any other social media app, thought it was a counterfeit pill and it was

containing fentanyl and killed them. jose? >> yeah, mike, among all the great reporting that you've done on this, you've reported on internal emails from meta that detail conversations on children's safety. what did they reveal? >> it is very interesting in a suit brought about a number of attorneys general across the united states, essentially showed nick clegg, the company, meta's head of policy across the entire globe, lobbying mark zuckerberg directly that they need to hire more engineers focused on child safety and security at the company. mark zuckerberg makes the point they hired many folks across the past three years but he pushed back, essentially denied, you know, a few dozen different new hires, specifically when the company was trying to downsize over the years as the economy took a hit over the past couple

of years. so it is pretty striking just in terms of seeing internal conversations, lobbying for specific engineers that can help these issues, and getting sort of struck down by the ceo, even as sort of internal deliberations across the executive team kind of disagree on these points. we know we don't really see that stuff very often. >> yeah, mike. one thing is meta, the other one is, for example, when the ceo of tiktok was asked what some of the things that they have been instituting to try and control that. he said, well, we have put $2 billion into this. mike, kind of important to put into context, $2 billion is a lot of money either way, any way you look at it, but these companies are awash in money, much of it, or some of it at least, advertisements, et cetera, to younger people. >> yeah, you're exactly right.

i thought senator graham had a great point, which is we don't know the revenues, especially of tiktok at least, their total revenues, what their profit margins are, what the profit line is, and you can hear a lot of these big numbers being thrown around, $2 billion spent on safety and security, thousands of new employees sort of working on this stuff, but they really don't mean a whole lot without specific context on the types of numbers we're dealing with in content, you know, like you can say you hired 10,000 moderators, but if you're getting a billion new pieces of content or posts across a platform a day, that's like a drop in the bucket in terms of scale. so, i totally agree, it is all about the context, and you really need to parse some of these statements from the ceos. to be fair, there is -- there has been a lot of inactivity and essentially stag nancy around actual legislation pushed around this sort of stuff and i'm very curious if something comes out of this hearing today as

zuckerberg has been on capitol hill eight times dealing with these similar issues. so we'll see if there is movement after this actual hearing. >> yeah. and that stagnation has been because of what, mike? >> i think a lot of the time, there are certain things around digital advertising that help the political parties during campaigning. we're seeing that in the election coming up pretty soon and there are incentives they have that they don't want to change how some of the platforms work. i think a lot of times bills get, as you all well know, bills get addendums or things tacked on to them that make them less desirable for their parties. certain things, a lot of momentum in 2016 around reining in the tech platforms and it falls out of the news. people stop worrying about it. another issue comes up and senators and congress persons just get tired of it or at least less interested in it. so, this particular hearing has

come up often. so we'll see if the momentum keeps up. >> yeah. interest falls, but deaths continue. and destruction continues in many families. ryan nobles, kate snow, mike isaac, thank you for being with us this morning. i want to talk about another major hearing that is going on capitol hill, fbi director chris wray is testifying before the house select committee on china about the cyberthreat china poses to the u.s. joining us now is nbc's ken dilanian. good morning. director wray made a major announcement. >> he did. and he started the hearing by focusing on the threat of chinese hacking directed at american critical infrastructure. and as you said, just as he was about to begin, the justice department announced a major operation that they say disabled a massive chinese effort to infiltrate thousands of internet connected devices and attack critical infrastructure. officials say they took down a group of state sponsored chinese hackers that private analysts

nicknamed volt typhoon that were targeting power grids and water treatment plants. take a listen. >> the volt typhoon malware enabled china to hide, among other things, preoperational reconnaissance and network exploitation against critical infrastructure like our communications, energy, transportation, and water sectors, steps china was taking to find and prepare to destroy or degrade the civilian critical infrastructure that keeps us safe and prosperous. >> on a background call about this operation, officials emphasized that what this was was chinese hackers burrowing in to take control, to be in the networks, so that any event of a war or other significant event, they can take things down, they can shut down the grid, they can contaminate the water, they can disrupt air traffic control.

it is not that they're doing it now, but it is the potential to do it. and the truth is the united states and our cybercommand and nsa, we do that in china as well. it is a mutually assured destruction situation. later in the hearing, other officials testify that one of the reasons u.s. infrastructure is so vulnerable is that it is undergirded by a lot of equipment that wasn't designed with security in mind. equipment and software. and that has to change because right now the chinese hackers are walking through what is essentially an open door. >> ken dilanian, thank you so very much. up next, we're going go live to a texas border town, as we track several developments surrounding border negotiations on capitol hill. and colorado governor jared polis will join us. he's one of nine democratic governors demanding the biden administration and congress take more action to secure the border. governor, great seeing you. we'll chat in a minute. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. me you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc.

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happening now on capitol hill, the house is one step closer to making homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas the first cabinet officer to be impeached in nearly 150 years. overnight, the house homeland security committee voted along party lines to send two articles of impeachment against mayorkas to the house floor. republicans accuse mayorkas of not enforcing immigration laws and breaching public trust. mayorkas and democrats deny the allegations and call them political. with us now to talk more about this, and more, nbc news capitol hill correspondent julie tsirkin and nbc news correspondent david noriega in eagle pass, texas. julie, when can we expect a vote on the full house on this? >> reporter: we do have some news on that, jose. steve scalise said they will take up this impeachment vote against alejandro mayorkas next week. that does suggest that republican leadership appears to think they have the votes that this thing can pass. we're working with a very tight majority here, they can lose two votes because that is all that they can afford right now.

there are at least two house republicans who remain on the fence about whether they want to vote to impeach alejandro mayorkas. we heard from chuck schumer, the senate majority leader, that chamber is going to have to take this up in the form of a trial once the house processes this. let's hear what he had to say. >> house republicans have not shown that he has violated the constitution. house republicans have failed to present any evidence of anything resembling an impeachable offense. instead, what house republicans are doing by advancing the sham impeachment effort is denigrating our constitution, all for the sake of appeasing one person and one person only, donald trump. >> reporter: now as we wait for the bipartisan partisan deal to emerge from the senate, we'll hear from speaker johnson today in his first floor speech ever

talking about the border. he's also going to hold a round table after that. this is the same speaker who took his first house trip as speaker to eagle pass, texas, just earlier this month. >> and, david, you know, all this talk of politics and numbers, we always have to underline that in the ethos of this is men, women and children, just earlier this week, five migrants including two children drowned when their boat capsized in colombia with at least 40 people on board, trying to get to the jungle. here in the united states, david there is a convoy of trucks heading toward eagle pass to protest what they say is an open border. what is the convoy all about? >> reporter: yeah, jose, this is a convoy of self-described patriots, trump supporters, organized under the name take our border back. they're protesting what as you said they described as biden's open border policies. it is not clear how big this convoy is or is going to be. might be one of those situations where it is more bark than bite. we'll have to wait and see. it is not supposed to arrive

until later this week. however, we already met several people who have been trickling into town for this convoy, driving -- i met one guy last night who drove more than 20 hours from colorado. we met a woman who drive five hours from north of houston. i want to play you a clip of what she said. take a listen. >> i think there is people that need to come in, but everything is not being done right. they're just letting everybody in and i don't think it is good for our country. i think we got terrorists and just all kind of bad people coming in. along with good there's bad. >> you think some people should be allowed to come in, but not everyone? >> if they're leaving in desperation from where they are, i think it is okay. >> reporter: that last thing she said, i just want to point out that is at this point a more

liberal, more nuanced position than not being publicly expressed by the biden administration, looking for the authority in their words to shut down the border to asylum seekers entirely. >> julie tsirkin and dave noriega, thank you very much. to continue our coverage, colorado governor jared polis, he wrote a letter pushing for them to address the humanitarian crisis. it is always great to seau. i'm struck by that person that david spoke with from colorado your home state, who is heading down to eagle pass to say we need to be here and focus on this crisis. colorado is hundreds of miles from the border, yet your state has seen the arrival of migrants more than 38,000 migrants have been sent from texas to colorado, a fraction of the more than 8 million people that have come in over the past three years. how has your state been impacted? >> there is some incoherence and lack of intellectual sincerity in a lot of these arguments.

i think we need to have better border security. not only people, it is about fentanyl, it is about gun trafficking, i think there is an opportunity here for the united states congress to actually give the resources to border patrol that are needed, the asylum reforms that are needed. this is impacting the entire country, not just the border states. and you know, you hear whether it is new york or chicago or colorado, we are all having to address the failure of federal immigration border security and federal immigration policy. states are doing the best they can, whether it is texas, california, colorado, new york. but we need the federal government to step up. >> so, what specifically do you and your fellow governors want the biden administration and congress to do? >> there is an opportunity here to actually secure the border. that's investment. no president alone can secure the border because it takes additional resources, for border security, for infrared scanning, drones, all the things that are needed to secure the border. reforms in the asylum process as

well. i think these are both going to be which included in the senate plan, let's cut down on frivolous applications for asylum. on the front end, let's make sure you have a real legitimate chance at succeeding and let's improve the processing time on the back end. rather than waiting years, people are waiting months until they can get a job and start supporting themselves. those two things alone coupled with border security would be a big win. >> and, governor, you served in congress for a decade including a 2013 gang of eight effort to pass the senate, but never got a vote in the house. i remember our conversations going back 2013 and even before in both english and spanish. why does it seem so impossible for congress to deal with this issue in any real and permanent way? >> you know, it is so sad, jose, to see missed opportunities like the gang of eight. i hope the congress rises to the occasion on this one and doesn't let one word, politics, interfere. sure there is difficult politics

on the left and the right and some democrats face pressure for locking down the border. some republicans face fracture pressure because they don't want to solve this. now is the chance for both parties, responsible leaders to step up, make a big positive impact rather than talk and yell about a secure border, let's actually do it. >> how do you do it and where are those responsible voices on capitol hill and where is the possibility of any bipartisan voices getting together and doing something real? >> i think that we're going to see hopefully emerging from the senate exactly this kind of proposal, that includes real funding for border security, give president biden the authority to actually implement the measures. as you know in the past, the courts have overturned many border security measures, we need the legal authority to do that and we need to get rid of this asylum backlog, process people quicker, get rid of frivolous applications on the front end. i'm for all comprehensive

immigration reform. if we can help the dreamers, provide a future flow for visas and work permits, but let's do what we can rather than let the perfect be the enemy of the good and if we can lock down the border and fix the asylum process, that will go a long way. >> governor jared polis, thank you. good to see you. up next, new reporting on how the u.s. plans to retaliate for a drone strike in jordan that killed three u.s. soldiers. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. e. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. i know what it's like to perform through pain. if you're like me, one of the millions suffering from pain caused by migraine, nurtec odt may help. it's the only medication that can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks. treat and prevent, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were

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i approved this message because this is who we are. 50 past the hour. the u.s. response to sunday's deadly drone attack that killed three u.s. service members is being described by u.s. officials as a campaign that could last for weeks. the targets have not been finalized. nbc news has learned they are expected to include iranian targets outside of iran. the group believedo be behind sunday's attack announced they will have suspended all military operations against u.s. forces. the pentagon spokesman said, actions speak louder than words. just this hour, we are learning that secretary of state antony blinken is set to return to the middle east in the next couple days. it will be his fifth trip to the middle east since the october

7th massacre. joining us now, nbc's matt bradley in tel aviv. what kind of risk does the u.s. have to balance as it weighs its response? >> reporter: actually, just talking about that trip that antony blinken will be talking. a representative told me this is a pretty significant indication we could see some movement on that hostage negotiations deal that's coming up. that's one of the reasons why antony blinken could be coming here. she said that blinken doesn't just show up for any old reason. when it comes to weighing these options that you mentioned separately, the three deaths of u.s. service members at the hands of the drone fired by the iran-backed group, we have been seeing potshots taken all over the region for the past several months since the october 7 attacks by hamas. what we have been seeing is on israel's part, according to israel, and on america's part, is low-level retaliation.

the kind of thing that wouldn't bring this breaking out into an all-out war. that has been a careful consideration ever since they began. remember, even before we saw these three deaths of u.s. service members, there were dozens of injuries in the same region. that was why we saw the u.s. kind of trying to back down. they didn't want this to spiral out of control. now we're describing -- or what nbc is reporting sounds more lick a season of retaliation, weeks of retaliation rather than one discreet counterattack. what that indicates could be that they're trying to diffuse out all of the retaliation so it doesn't set off one single larger, wider war. so far, iran and its proxies have shown some ability to take these retaliations and these attacks on the chin. you remember when israel denies that they did this but the region believes they did, there was an assassination of a top hamas official in a neighborhood controlled by hezbollah of

beirut in lebanon, a neighbor of israel. there was not much of a muscular attack against that by hezbollah, another of the primary iran-backed proxy groups. that shows that iran and its proxies so far have tried to shy away from really retaliating in such a way it would blow this out into a region-wide war as well. there are considerations on both sides to try to keep the peace while still trying to pose and posture, a muscular defense in the case of the iranians and their proxies against israel, and in the case of american, a case of defense of israel. we are starting to see that consideration play out and we will in the next couple of weeks depending on how the pentagon decides to sort of navigate these very narrow waters. jose? >> matt bradley in tel aviv, thank you so much. we continue to monitor contentious hearings between the ceos of the most popular social media platforms and senate members over how they protect or

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throughout her career. notably, ten tony nominations, winning three times. like you said, she was breaking barriers for latina performers every step of the way. ♪ come on baby ♪ ♪ why don't we paint the town ♪ >> tributes pouring in for chita rivera. born in washington, d.c. in 1933, she told al she felt her calling was the stage. >> how do you see yourself? >> once a dancer, always a dancer. i came along at a wonderful time. i was able to do some pretty phenomenal shows. >> dancing, acting and singing her way into the history of broadway. originating the iconic roles of anita in "west side story." rose in "bye-bye birdie."

a devastating car crash that required 16 pins to fix a broken leg. it couldn't keep her from the stage for long. she worked on broadway for decades more. one of her co-stars remembered her stealing the show at nearly 80, on and off the stage. >> she was very mischievous. she had a twinkle in her eye. >> she garnered ten tony nominations and won twice for best actress. >> chita rivera! >> the first hispanic american woman to receive a kennedy center honor. >> i wouldn't trade my life in the theater for anything as a theater is life. >> the presidential medal of freedom. ♪ and all that jazz ♪ >> her daughter said she passed tuesday after a brief illness. she was 91 years old. her legacy honored by broadway

stars. they said she inspired them. lin manuel miranda calling her the trailblazer on broadway. there will never be anyone like you, chita. >> i want to thank you for that report. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," bipartisan agreement that congress has to regulate social media companies. >> mr. zuckerberg, you and the companies before us -- i know you don't mean it to be so, but you have blood on your hands. you have a product that's kill