stars. they said she inspired them. lin manuel miranda calling her the trailblazer on broadway. there will never be anyone like you, chita. >> i want to thank you for that report. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," bipartisan agreement that congress has to regulate social media companies. >> mr. zuckerberg, you and the companies before us -- i know you don't mean it to be so, but you have blood on your hands. you have a product that's killing people.

this hour, mike johnson about to take the floor to slam the senate's bipartisan border compromise in his first speech after a 15-hour meeting of republicans ending in a vote to push forward and try to impeach homeland security secretary mayorkas. nato's secretary-general on the urgent need for the u.s. to support ukraine. the cia director warns cutting off aid would be a mistake of historic proportions. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. the ceos of the most widely used social media platforms are on capitol hill today. they are being criticized for not doing enough to protect children online from both sexual and other harmful content, including pro-hamas content on tiktok. executives from tiktok, meta, x,

snapchat and discord are defending some of the steps they have taken, telling thediciary committed to keeping kids safe. the technology is growing faster than congress has been able to react. right now, the platforms are left to police themselves and cannot be sued. bipartisan leaders opened the hearing today by threatening to revoke that immunity and do it quickly, including the ranking republican on the judiciary committee, lindsey graham. >> his son got caught up in a sex extortion ring in nigeria using instagram. he was shaken down, paid money. that wasn't enough, and he killed himself, using instagram. what would you like to say to him? >> it's terrible. no one should have to go through something like. >> you think he should be allowed to sue you?

>> um, i -- i think that they can sue us. >> well, i think he should and he can't. stand behind your product. go to the american courtroom and defend your practices. open up the courthouse door. until you do that, nothing will change. until these people can be sued for the damage they are doing, it is all talk. >> joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles, and alex stamos, chief trust officer at settle one. ryan, this was contentious. this agreement between graham and durbin, you don't find that very often where you work up there on capitol hill. they are going to do something about this. >> reporter: yeah. i think that's perhaps the biggest news that has come out of this hearing this morning is that there is some sort of an appetite to reform section 230, which basically allows content creators a degree of immunity when it comes to their platforms

being used for illegal purposes. that's something that has shielded these companies from prosecution relates to these incidents and from facing any kind of civil liability when it comes to tragedies that occur as a result of these platforms being used. we should caution our viewers that anything is going to happen -- nothing will happen right away. republicans are concerned about limiting that ability to a certain extent. there's obviously concerns about the society become too litigious as a result of something like this and a flood of lawsuits that could come as a result of the reform to section 230. regardless, there does seem to be a willingness to try to find some targeted solution to the problem. in part, it's a result of stories that have come out as a result of the use of social media platforms and a sense that parents across the country,

myself included, the parent of two teenagers right now, see the damage that can be done on these social media platforms and a willingness to force the tech companies to do more to police the platforms, to protect children. it's not just the ability to sue them. it is age verification. it's the use of sexually explicit material, the trafficking and entrapment of young people on these platforms. these are all things that members of congress are very concerned about. frankly, were demanding answers from these ceos to find out ways to reign this in. >> alex, what are some of the obstacles? you sensed real frustration today from both democrats and republicans. they rarely agree, as we say, on anything. europe and other countries have gone farther than we have. what about changing section 230 and taking away their immunity

to lawsuits? >> i think one of the things we found is congress is so dysfunctional that even bipartisan solutions, like we see incredible bipartisan support today for some kind of regulation, those solutions don't move forward. there's currently five major child safety acts in front of congress. the senate, to their credit, people holding the hearing today, acted in december. they passed the report act, the least controversial of the acts. it fixes a number of technical issues in the relationship between tech companies and the national center for missing and exploited children, the federally created clearinghouse for all of this information. that passed the senate. it hasn't been brought to committee in the house. it's sitting there as the house fights over political issues. i think that's part of it. there's been a bipartisan push for privacy legislation, never happened. for tech safety regulation, that never happened. we don't move. as a result, we have ceded the

field for europe to do this. >> with a.i., it will become more threatening, more complicated. >> yes. generative a.i. is about to completely upend the child safety world for tech companies for law enforcement for a couple of reasons. we are seeing vast amounts of creation of child sexual abuse material for which there's not a real child, that was generated by a.i. the legal questions of whether that's illegal or not are up in the air. technically, it should be illegal under a law passed in the 1990s that could never have foreseen the technology that we have now. we are waiting on the supreme court to take up the cases. while that is going on, congress isn't really doing much. the tech companies are pushing back against a massive expansion in their responsibilities, even though that's a huge problem that's about to hit the entire child safety world. >> look at what happened to taylor swift. >> exactly. what happened to taylor swift, terrible thing for her. to her credit, she has lawyers,

she has a pr team, she has -- >> she's not powerless. >> if she went to high school in ohio, if she was taylor smith, nobody would have noticed. that's what's happening. it's mostly girls. you have young peoplecreating nude images, distributing it in high schools to embarrass or attack people they don't like. that taylor is not going to get the support that the famous taylor gets. that's what congress needs to focus on is that for every taylor swift there are thousands of and thousands of victims that are not being protected and taken care of. >> ryan nobles, it's an election year. if lindsey graham said i'm going to the floor and ask for unanimous consent next week, lindsey graham has a lot of power in this almost evenly divided senate. i will bet you that something is going to move forward in the senate and it's going to die in the house. >> reporter: that would be an easy bet to make given the past

practice of this particular congress. i do think that is a barrier to this situation right now is that it's very difficult for the house side of the capitol to agree on almost anything. not to go too far down a rabbit hole, but there's a tax bill that has bipartisan support in both the senate and the house. there's a group of house republicans trying to upend that process. basic things like passing rules have become a difficulty for the house. you do -- >> i think kate snow is in there where mark zuckerberg is speaking to parents. you can see the hearing has taken a recess. see if we can pick that up. kate snow, we saw that mark zuckerberg was being confronted by people in there. can you join us from where you are?

alex was telling us that europe is way ahead of us. you know this issue well. you have been covering it. do you see even despite the bipartisan support for some regulations, some withdrawal of section 230, so they can be sued, do you think anything will happen? >> reporter: sorry, you are talking to me? it's kate. >> yes. >> reporter: it was hard to hear. first of all, i'm not in the room. i didn't see what just happened with mark zuckerberg. i was there moments ago. there are dozens of families in that room who lost children. emotions are high, tensions are high. they have been audibly gasping and saying, you know, no, no, no, when they hear things they don't like. it's not surprising there might be interaction. i know mark zuckerberg did try to talk to the families and say -- express his condolences. i heard some of them audibly

saying, well, they don't believe that is sincere. to your other question, is there some political will here? i'm in the hallway, because i was talking to senators as they were leaving. i spoke with john cornyn, republican from texas, about this issue. i said, is there support -- bipartisan support for changing the law and holding companies -- tech companies accountable and liable in civil court for the harm that's done on their platforms? as you know, that law has existed for a long time to protect them from liability. senator cornyn says he thinks it's shifting. he thinks there's republican support. he said, with some caveats. he said, i'm not going to give a green light to every trial lawyer in the country. but i think it's time to have a decision -- i'm paraphrasing. but he said, it's time for a discussion about some form of a repeal of section 230. we are hearing that from democrats and republicans alike. senator klobuchar was here from minnesota, a democrat, saying

that she believes today is a turning point. she believes we are seeing a building of will to do something. because not -- not so much because the five ceos are in the room, but because the families are in the room, it's having an impact on the senators. they will push -- senator klobuchar will push and make sure that some of the measures that they have supported out of the committee, the judiciary committee, were actually -- they will have a path to be considered by the full senate. >> kate, thank you so much for scrambling around there. i think senator klobuchar, who has been on this for months, years, is going to be pushing for it. senator cornyn is a former judge. there's a lot of weight, i think, that's beginning to develop in the senate. the house is a completely different story. thanks so much to you, kate snow, for coming out. i know you have been on top of this for a long time. of course, ryan nobles, busy day on the hill. and alex for being with us.

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speaker mike johnson is scheduled to speak on the house floor about the senate's bipartisan border bill after he said that it's dead on arrival. it's been negotiated for months. he hasn't read it yet. he promised a showdown next week over an effort by republicans to impeach homeland security secretary mayorkas, accusing him of failing to control the border, even as republican leaders are promising to kill the new effort before they see what it would do to control the border. back with us now is nbc's

capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. you are all over all the developments today. we have white house reporter monica alba as well. ryan, for speaker johnson to focus his first floor speech on the border, the urgency of the issue, politically, but he has got such a -- a two-member margin here in the house. he seems to be -- seems to be yielding to pressure from donald trump from outside the chamber on saying, kill this thing. the critics say it's because they want the issue rather than trying to do something. it's the toughest border bill any democratic leader -- the president of the united states has ever agreed to. >> reporter: yeah. it does seem as though speaker johnson is backing himself into somewhat of a corner here without even seeing the proposed legislation before it comes out.

really kind of throwing away the opportunity to agree to something that likely would never be passed under any other sort of circumstances. even if republicans are successful in the fall election. i will tell you that julie sorkin was with a group of senators, and senator sinema, a part of the negotiations around this border bill, and she told reporters that johnson has been looped in on every aspect of the negotiations. but at the same time, the rhetoric that he is talking about, the way he describes the package when he says it's something the house republicans can't support, doesn't necessarily match what is being discussed in the negotiations. the question you have to ask yourself is, once the text is unveiled, how does johnson respond to it? if it has 60 votes in the senate, will he be able to keep it from coming to the house floor? that will be a difficult proposition and one we don't know the answer to yet. >> monica, secretary mayorkas is

not expected to be convicted in the senate. this might not pass the house with such a slim margin. if the republicans are divided. a trial would be damaging to him. it is a distraction from negotiating as this border bill either lives or dies going into the house. >> reporter: exactly. >> we will go to that as he proceeds. we will drop in in a second. tell us what's happening from the white house perspective. >> reporter: certainly. the white house has been clear to call this attempt to impeach secretary mayorkas as baseless, unconstitutional. they like to point out the fact that a cabinet secretary hasn't really faced this in this manner since right after the civil war. this really does boil down to in some respects a fight over policy differences. there are some conservatives, some senators, republicans, who have expressed concerns that

there isn't this bar of high crimes and misdemeanors that you are using to assess a potential impeachment. that is something that clearly has been looming over this larger conversation about the border talks. the president has been the one who has now for weeks been a bit more out front saying he is willing to change the way people seek asylum in this country and the way people might be processed. the system is broken. he said the system currently as it stands is not secure. we know this is something he has been pushing for. this other issue is percolating with his very key cabinet secretary. they feel confident as you point out this will not proceed once it gets to the senate. they feel this will likely be referred to in the rearview mirror as mostly partisan theatrics. >> monica, thank you. let's go to the floor. the speakercatastrophe.

he talked about the flood of fentanyl as well as migrants. >> forced the administration to take action. we have to stop this now. put americans and the border security first. in january, i took the largest ever congressional delegation down to the southern border. we had 64 members, 64 house republicans representing more than half the states in this country. why? because now every state is a border state. during our trip, we met with senior border patrol officials and officers and local sheriffs and ranchers and land owners and community leaders who are dealing with this crisis right there at the line. we heard about how they are struggling to deal with the surge of illegals who are flooding into our nation. while the senate and white house were negotiating a so-called border security deal, one border patrol official compared the situation this way. he said, what we're being asked

to do -- this is a 33-year veteran of border patrol, a high ranking official in the agency. he said, what we are being asked to do is administer an open fire hydrant. he said, convey we don't need more buckets. we need to turn off the flow. his metaphor explains the situation perfectly. since president biden and mayorkas assumed office, there have been more than 7 million encounters with illegal aliens at our southern border alone. 35 of our 50 states, including my home state of louisiana, don't have a population that large. that's how many people have been apprehended in the past three years. among those on the southern border, between ports of entry -- >> as the speaker continues, we should point out that the concessions that the president has reportedly made in that bill are unprecedented. so killing the bill would

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while in israel netanyahu says he will not release thousands of terrorists or take israeli forces out of gaza in any cease-fire. a fallout is growing. you can see them going into the hospital. israel says the militants were using the hospital as a hideout to plan terror attacks. the u.s. and other countries are raising concerns about any raid on a hospital. hospitals are supposed to be off grounds under international law. matt bradley joins me now from tel aviv. a lot going on. we have been talking about this wide new proposal to try to get the hostages out. netanyahu taking a hard line. he is under pressure from the

ministers. there were three top israeli officials in the negotiations last weekend. they participated with egypt, qatar and the u.s. >> reporter: that's right. now we are hearing -- when i spoke with the prime minister's office this morning -- we got news there was the antony blinken trip in the coming days. when i spoke to a spokesperson for the prime minister's office, she was saying the fact is that blinken doesn't just show up for no reason. the fact that he is coming here could mean that that deal that you are describing could be nearing some kind of completion. there is some level of confidence on the israeli side, even as it's being disputed in the halls of power. there's strenuous opposition from netanyahu far right to the terms of the deal offered to hamas a couple of days ago. the fact that blinken is coming shows a certain amount of

international weight behind an effort to ink this deal, to get it over the line and get the hostages out. she was saying that this just goes to show there could be movement here, this could push this deal forward. there could be a lot of reason for optimism for those more than 100 hostages, their families, six of the hostages americans. >> those hostage families were in with the national security advisor jake sullivan yesterday. they say that they have not gotten any information, any proof of life. i talked to them myself this week. they don't know what's happened to their sons, their children, their relatives. that said, maybe there's more hope now in tel aviv than here. they are just saying, it's going to be a long process. they haven't announced any trip. i know there were reports he might be coming. a senior official is saying might be coming for his fifth shuttle diplomacy. this is after we were there three weeks and he was in africa

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send supplies to ukraine. he said cutting off aid is a mistake of historic proportions. he said the war is a huge failure for russia and a bonus for the cia who has been able to recruit spies. with the ukraine funding stalled in congress, nato second general's is in washington to appeal. he spoke with me after meeting with congressional leaders yesterday. you talked to senator mcconnell, hakeem jeffries, the speaker. do you have more hope that you will get money for ukraine? >> yes. i expect the united states will find a way to support ukraine, because this is in u.s. national security interest to ensure president putin doesn't win and that ukraine prevails. i expect that to happen. >> the house republicans have been a major problem.

they are listening to outside forces, to donald trump against it. how do you get the house republicans to go along with this? >> my message is that we need to support ukraine because if putin wins, that will embolden him and others. >> they are looking at the polls. public support has dropped precipitously against more money for ukraine. they feel america is providing all the support. >> if we look at total numbers, european are adding more support than united states, if we add military and economic support. >> isn't it true there are certain weapons, the atacms, that can only come from the u.s.? it's not a matter of money but it's a matter of giving them what they need? >> yes, very much so. europeans are providing more

support in money, if you add all together. of course, much of the european money is spent in the united states. they buy javelins, they buy a lot of other stuff from the united states partly to deliver directly to ukraine but to backfill their own stock because they have been reduced because they spent equipment to ukraine. increased support to ukraine means more jobs in the united states. >> are the ukrainian soldiers running out of ammo? are they really stuck in their trenches without enough ability to fight back or to go on offense? >> they need more weapons, they need more ammunition, and we all expected perhaps more success in the offensive that launched last year. we have to recognize the huge achievements ukraine has made.

when this war started, most expects believed russia would control kyiv and ukraine within days and weeks. the fact is that ukrainians have been able to liberate 50% of the territory russia controlled the beginning of the war. they have liberated part of the black sea, opened up the corridor for export of grain. they are inflicting heavy losses on the russian armed forces by a fraction of our defense budget. we are significantly reducing think the combat capacity of russia. this is an investment of security. >> russia seems to have an unlimited supply of soldiers to throw into this battle. by one estimate that i heard from ukrainian officials, shared with the u.s., there was some 360,000 casualties already of russian soldiers. they keep coming. can't vladimir putin out wait zelenskyy? >> we have to prove that democracy is not lazy.

president putin believes democracies are lazy and we don't have staying power. we need to prove him wrong by continuing to support ukraine. we have inflicted all these heavy losses on the russian armed forces, more than 300,000 casualties, thousands of armored vehicles destroyed, hundreds of planes, without putting a single u.s. or nato soldier in harm's way. >> if ukraine runs out of weapons and can't continue with the war, is it stalemated and will they be unable to go on offense once spring comes? >> we hope for more achievements during the offensive. that didn't happen. but they are able to continue to ensure that russia is paying high cost. at some stage, it has to change in moscow. now they believe they will win on the battlefield. we need to ensure they understand that putin will never win on the battlefield and has to sit down and negotiate an agreement. >> there are many who are saying

it's time to negotiate. that zelenskyy has to give up hopes of getting all of crimea and they have to sit down and negotiate new borders and some sort of a cease-fire line. >> i would like the war to end as soon as possible. but the quickest way to end the war is to lose the war. what we need is a solution where ukraine prevails. there are no signs that russia has given up the ambition of controlling ukraine to ensure that ukraine is part of russia. >> if ukraine were to lose to vladimir putin, what is the threat to nato, to the border states, to poland? >> the fact is that if we allow president putin to win in ukraine, that will teach him a lesson that when he violates international law, when he invades another country, then he gets what he wants.

he wants to re-establish a europe where russia is able to control the neighbors. this is not only about europe. this is also about asia and china. this is closely watched in china. therefore, it is in the interest of all powers to ensure that putin is not successful in ukraine. >> secretary-general, thank you very much. we have breaking news. we have been monitoring the senate hearing of the tech ceos accused of not doing enough to protect children from harmful content. it's in a brief recess. just moments ago, there was a powerful exchange in the committee room. mark zuckerberg stood up, he turned around and spoke to the victims' families. he turned away from the microphone. it's not audible on the microphone. it's difficult to hear, but here is what the families, how they reacted.

>> there's families of victims here today. have you apologized to the victims? would you like to do so now? they are here. you are on national television. would you like now to apologize to the victims who have been harmed by your -- show him the pictures. would you like to apologize for what you have done to this good people? >> what he said was that he is sorry, that no one should have to go through what these families have experienced. he says that's why facebook has invested in efforts to make sure no one has to go through what these families have suffered. those are the words he just spoke to those families. we will continue to monitor all of this. the insider. former president trump's national security advisor john bolton on why he says putin and xi jinping will be the real winners if donald trump is elected. l winners if donald trump is elected. ootlong pretzel

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close contest between putin and xi jinping, who would be happiest to see trump in office. bolton refused to testify during donald trump's first impeachment over ukraine. he joins me now. it's a hefty forward. i think it's 28 pages. you get a lot in there. what worries you most about donald trump taking office again? without some of the guardrails, some of the cabinet members who surrounded him in the national security cabinet the last time. >> there are two main things to worry about. one is national security where there's no telling what he is going to do. i personally am convinced he will withdraw from nato, which would be a catastrophic mistake. i think that's what he will do. >> in the middle of the war with ukraine, when nato is supplying them with weapons and doesn't have to fight the war with

soldiers? >> i think this is something he feels strongly about. he thinks the europeans still aren't paying their fair share. he thinks they have negotiated very negative trade deals with us. i think he is looking forward to getting out of nato. it's something that is not going to get much discussion in this country. the other aspect is what i call the retribution presidency. i think he is going to spend much of his second term going after his enemies. using the justice department or trying to use the justice department or the defense department to do so. >> what about his relationship with vladimir putin, xi jinping? you raise that point. he seems to like strongmen. he believes in being a strongman. >> trump thinks international affairs are synonymous with personal relations between heads of state. if he has a good relationship with vladimir putin, then u.s./russian relations are good. same with xi jinping. that's fantasy.

but that's what he thinks. in the case of ukraine where he has said, i'm going to get zelenskyy and putin into a room, we will solve this in 24 hours, it won't be solved in 24 hours. of course, that won't be donald trump's fault. it will be somebody else's. he will blame zelenskyy. putin is waiting for that to happen. >> nikki haley is the last standing republican candidate right now challenging him. you know her record at the u.n. she followed you there at the u.n. what is your take? >> i hope she stays in the race up until the convention. i think she ought to say that now. because i think she could carry the banner for everybody who doesn't like donald trump, whether they support her or someone else. a meteor could strike. there could be something in one of the criminal trials that wakes people up that if we're not careful in august, republicans will nominate a convicted felon for the

presidency. it's a long shot, to be sure. but i think there's something -- i think others who -- even if they dropped out of the race like chris christie need to keep making the case. there's yet a chance that we night deny trump the nomination. >> do you think nikki haley is qualified to be president? >> look, i would vote for a cardboard cutout as this point. i think she's more qualified than donald trump, which i will concede isn't saying much. >> you would not vote for the democratic likely -- >> no. i didn't in 2020. i wrote in the name of a conservative republican because it wasn't on the ballot. i'm in the middle of a two-front war. one is the philosophical war against the democratic party, which is a very serious matter. the other is against the danger, the risk that donald trump poses. it's not happy position to be in. >> to you, it's his character? >> it's his competence or lack thereof. he is not fit to be president.

one reason is his character. he doesn't have any character at all. the one thing that concerns him is donald trump. that's why national security and domestic policy are hostage to whatever his own political fortunes are. >> john bolton, ambassador, thank you for being with us. >> glad to be with you. cyber threat. the fbi director's new warning about china. we will ask a top official from interpol about the threats to our world. you are watching msnbc. o our world. you are watching msnbc goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com.

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. fbi director christopher wray has been warning that chinese hackers are determined to cause real world harm to critical infrastructure in the u.s. including the electrical grid and water systems. testifying today before a house select committee on the chinese communist party, director wray says they're also focusing on chinese americans. >> they target our freedoms reaching inside our borders across america to silence, coerce, and threaten some of our citizens and residents. >> joining me now to talk about global threats is the executive director of interpol, steven kavanaugh. mr. kavanaugh, welcome. thank you very much. you deal with hacking. you deal with terrorism, counterterrorism, obviously, human trafficking, fentanyl. what are the most -- the biggest global concerns for interpol? >> thank you very much indeed for having me on the show.

i think having been a regional police chief and having national responsibilities interpol provides this really unique position. we're seeing crimes, interesting crimes against children, human trafficking. the use of technologies has just been highlighted by director wray, you know, whether it's romance scams, devastating people's lives and bank accounts, whether it's business email compromise, what we can see is that the traditional models of law enforcement are struggling to keep up, and there's an important debate to be had about where interpol sits in helping the victims across the world, but also the investigators. >> how can interpol help -- i mean, we're seeing what just happened on the hill with the tech companies and threats of new regulation. europe has been far ahead of the u.s. they still have immunity from lawsuits. children are dying, the parents of these children who have died because of, you know, predators

online were in the hearing room today. how can interpol take what europe has learned and help the united states catch up? >> i think the debate that's going on today is an important one, and i think people have tried to polarize it. you know, good and bad, privacy versus child safety. what i have had is the awful -- it's not a privilege, it's devastaing understanding about the level of abuses taking place, ask it's not just children within countries. it's children across the world of every background, and i think the debate that's been had, you know, this is not about law enforcement being right, governments being right, the tech sector, there has got to be some give in all of us. what we cannot tolerate is the level of harm, the devastated lives, the suicides that are taking place at the moment, this debate needs to move forward and interpol can have a leadership voice and can understand how we share these lessons much more quickly than has been done in the past.

stop blaming each other. let's focus on the need of children who have been abused, every moment of every day and make sure we're doing more together. >> i've covered the intelligence community for years, it strikes me that we deal with counterterrorism, you know, spy agency to spy agency, the fbi has some, you know, overseas role as well after 9/11, they established that. we deal with drugs from our drug agencies, but you are a law enforcement agency that crosses all of these different areas. can you provide, you know, sort of unique ways of, you know, breaking through the silos that have so often stopped us from catching the bad guys? >> i think that's one of the most important things interpol can do. we don't have powers of arrest. we don't have guns. what we do have in an age where crime is taking place across borders, criminals will use conflict, will use border legislation, will use weak

governments to hide from law enforcement, so what interpol has to do more effectively is look at the data, look at the business model the way that the money using cryptocurrencies and other models can inform investigators because at the moment, they're hiding behind borders, regimes and other locations. interpol has got a role, but it needs to make sure it stays away from the spy agencies. we focus on normal law crimes and keep away from the state-sponsored piece because there's enough crime going on devastating lives through fraud, through organized crime for interpol to support law enforcement across the world. >> what about cyber, the kind of thing director wray was warning about today? with the threat from china, from russia, iran, other bad actors, you know, state sponsored cyber hacking? >> well, what we see in law enforcement, you have state sponsored, state ambivalent, but then you just see criminal

activity, and now on the dark web, you can buy ransomware as a business model. you can have a subscription. it's become so easy, and the proliferation of criminal opportunities on the dark web through technologies is only going to grow. the metaverse, we've already seen sexual attacks taking place. we've got quantum technology emerging, generative ai. you know, the use of technology across the board by criminals is changing at a pace that we need to understand globally and, again, using the experience of different countries to share, we will have a better chance of going after these criminals because if not, their wealth and their business model has just grown. >> and of course you're here meeting -- you met with the fbi, the state department, so you're talking to a lot of your counterparts in the united states and then on to new york to talk to the u.n. thank you very much. it's great to see you. >> thank you very much. >> and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell

reports," follow the show on social media @mitchellreports. you can re-watch the best parts of our show on youtube. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. blood on your hands, those words coming at the very start of a fiery senate hearing on social media, and it only got more intense from there as lawmakers unloaded on tech ceos over security measures they say don't do nearly enough to protect kids. >> for all the upside, the dark side is too great to live with. we do not need to live this way as americans. >> plus, three days and counting since that deadly attack on u.s. service members. we are now getting details about plans to blast iranian targets with sustained campaigns