decision, which school they want to go to, but now they're saying, okay, you should have that information by the time you have to make that decision. >> that's what some experts are saying. it doesn't make all the parents necessarily calm about it or students. so they're sitting on pins and needles, wondering if they are going to get that information in time. >> ehema ellis, thank you, it's an important story we appreciate it. that's going to do it this hour. join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. ♪♪ good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we start today with a crumbling border bill, one we haven't seen yet, and a homeland security secretary on the verge of impeachment. it's as much of a less in congress as it is at the southern border.

a vote to impeach alejandro mayorkas is heading to the house floor after a 13-hour hearing that stretched into the early hours of this morning, and ended with a gop party line committee vote to advance. but will it advance out of the house and to a senate trial? that is not clear. just like the vote for speaker, republicans have a tight margin. already two members are expressing doubt the gop has enough evidence to impeach mayorkas. are there more out there? that is not the only risk. the move itself is being panned as overtly political, especially as speaker mike johnson vows to squash a bipartisan border bill in the senate. killing a potential fix for the crisis in the cradle. as the "wall street journal" editorial board writes, quote, grand standing is easier than governing. and republicans have to decide whether to accomplish anything other than impeaching democrats. joining us now, at a shelter near the southern border is nbc news correspondent david

noriega, "punchbowl news" cofounder and msnbc political contributor, jake sherman, and former press secretary to former house speaker john boehner, and msnbc political analyst, brendan buck. so, david, i want to begin with you today, you're at the border, you see what's going on. how necessary is a fix right now? again, we haven't seen the details of this bill. but how necessary is it for something to happen down there? >> reporter: yeah, katy, so the necessity is definitely big, and it's definitely there. i think a different question is will the bill in question, at least the details we have seen of it, actually do what it's intended to do. there's a pretty big disconnect between policy that gets made in washington, d.c. and how that policy gets implemented on the border. the experts i've spoken to about what we know, a big caveat, we haven't seen any framework for the bill, but what's been reported so far, including a couple of dhs officials say the way it's crafted now, it's

possible that it could lead to more chaos, more confusion at the border, at least for a time. you have to remember these migration flows are driven, controlled by a lot of factors beyond u.s. border policy. there are push factors from the countries these people are leaving. environmental factors, notch ral -- that said, pretty much everyone agrees the way things work on the border right now with many thousands of people making the risky crossing between ports of entry, illegally between ports of entry, at the river in texas or the desert in arizona and california, and then seeking asylum, being released into the country, it's not an orderly or logical or rational system. whatever the change is, a change certainly needs to happen. >> part of the analysis is people are coming in numbers because they believe they can stay. the asylum process is simple,

you claim asylum, you're released into the country, and whether you get called back for an asylum hearing it can be years before that happens if it happens at all. if there was a change that fixed the asylum process down there at the start, would that in your experience make it so fewer people attempted to cross? >> reporter: it really depends, when they talk about the authority to shut down the border, what that actually means as far as we know so far is the authority to turn away asylum seekers at the border without giving them an opportunity to enter that legal asylum process. we already saw that with title 42. that policy very much like that was in place in the latter part of the trump administration and the beginning part of the biden administration. it did not stop border crossings. they went up significantly towards the last year or two the title 42 was in place.

it changed the profile of what people were crossing. less families with children, more single adults, but people definitely kept crossing the border. will it change the asylum process itself. will there be changes on the ground for sure? is it going to be a quick fix? the people i speak to say probably not. >> jake, let's talk about the immigration border bill and what we know about it. what's happening with it currently in the senate? >> it's still not out as you said at the top. i'll talk about the senate first. they have been saying for weeks and weeks and weeks that we'll see it very soon, very shortly. it will be coming out and everyone can review it and have an opinion. in holding it, people have forced an opinion base on the rumors. senate leadership told their colleagues that the support is going in the wrong direction for this border bill as they

continue to sit on it and not make it public. in the house, this is dead as a door nail. members of the house republican conference don't need to see the text, and you could argue whether that's right or wrong. it is wrong because they should make a judgment before they see the legislation. but there is, i would say virtually no chance that speaker mike johnson would engage with this piece of legislation for mostly political but also substantiative reasons. there's a disagreement here which is in the senate. there is a certain number of border crossings that are inevitable. in the house, they say, no, no border crossings should be happening period. so now you have mitch mcconnell just came out of the senate republican conference meeting and floated the idea of providing aid to israel and ukraine outside the confines of this package, which is the first time he's said that.

republicans supported the linkage of these two unrelated topics, national security and border security, and now we have senate republicans now basically backing away from that and trying to delink them. >> how do you argue against this being overtly political, and just a campaign tactic, to say that your number one priority is the border, to demand there be some border solution, to say the country is begging for it, it needs it, there's dangerous people crossing the border, our children are at risk, there's fentanyl crossing the border. to make it scary, and then say we won't look at the details of the bill if it is handed to us. how do you argue that's not nakedly political, brendan? >> they're certainly giving democrats an opportunity to do that, look hypocritical.

republicans have for years polled better on this issue. there's fresh polling say people blame joe biden more than republicans on this. i think this is less about national politics, and probably about mike johnson doing what's good for him. blocking this bill is good for him. impeaching secretary mayorkas is good for him. sometimes there's not much more to it. the speaker has been off to a somewhat, i don't want to say rocky start, but he hasn't really found his footing yet. this is going to be popular in the house republican conference. whether or not they can pull off the impeachment, we will see. he's rallying his troops, probably looking at what is good for him to maneuver things he's doing. it is a terrible look. this is the perfect time to try to get something bipartisan done. if you wait around for the stars to align, it's never going to

happen. i doubt there's that much long-term thinking. >> jake, from your reporting, is brendan's analysis right? >> it is. brendan is usually right. i will add to that, you can't divorce this from the backdrop of what mike johnson is facing. we have 31 days from the first of two government funding deadlines, mike johnson is going to get zip. no policy changes, no meaningful policy changes and he's going to have a house republican conference that's going to say what happened here, and it's obvious what happened, republicans here are one branch, the only branch that is republican, and mike johnson is going to have to explain that. so if i were in his position, having watched speakers before, he's going to try to say, don't shut down the government, we're impeaching mayorkas, we held up this border bill, we're working on these other things. we need to fund the government

to keep things going, but he's right that johnson hasn't found his footing. he's never been in a similar position before. he was a relatively anonymous rank and file member of congress 97 days ago. 98 days ago. it's understandable. >> what about mayorkas, what's the evidence that the house republican party has given to say that he's violated the constitution, and deserves to be impeached, jake? >> they basically say the main charge is he has ignored laws on the books and misled the american public. that's the breach of public trust thing. he said the border is secure. the border is not secure. that is the crux of the argument. most experts, conservative, liberal and everywhere in between say these are not high crimes and misdemeanors. this is obviously going to die a

quick death in the senate where republicans want nothing to do with it. they have been on the warpath with mayorkas, people talking about impeaching him since they got into power. this is the only natural position they would end up in, even if there is no evidence. >> does this help republicans retake the senate. does it help republicans get a larger majority in the house? does it help republicans win the presidency? >> i think the republicans think anything they focus on immigration is net good for them. what i'm concerned about is this is completely distorts what impeachment exists for. it's supposed to be high crimes and misdemeanors, not policy disagreements, and fundamentally that's what this comes down to. this is the most powerful tool you could argue that congress holds over the executive branch, and now we are just using it in ways that it was never intended for, and i think there's going to be bad long-term consequences if this becomes a regular tool

in the tool box for people to play politics. >> thank you very much. still ahead, he stood up and apologized on capitol hill, speaking directly to families who lost kids, but beyond words, what actions is mark zuckerberg taking to make his platforms safer? and the latest out of israel from the hostage deal to the alleged terrorists killed in their hospital beds in the west bank, first, though, the white house says it knows who sent the drone that killed three u.s. soldiers. what the group, they say, behind it has now announced it will do. we're back in 60 seconds. 're bas with powerful, easy-to-use tools, power e*trade makes complex trading easier. react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you won't miss an opportunity. e*trade from morgan stanley. (ella) fashion moves fast. so you won't miss setting trends is our business. we need to scale with customer demand... in real time. (jen) so we partner with verizon.

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in touch with government sources inside iraq. tell us who the u.s. believes flew the drone and what their response has been? >> reporter: well, national security council spokesperson john kirby says the u.s. it's an umbrella organization called islamic resistance in iraq, an organization that claims to have attacked a number of bases over the weekend. didn't specifically say it attacked tower 22 but may have got its geography wrong, may have misunderstood what it was attacking. there are lots of different groups, deliberately opaque, deliberately confusing, that's the way iran likes it, that's the way these iranian-backed militias like it. it allows them to wriggle out these kinds of accusations. what we are seeing from the white house is the american public and the world, if you like, are being prepared for these strikes that we expect to come at some point, and for the

u.s. to say it has hit islamic resistance in iraq,s group responsible for the killing of the three members of the u.s. military at tower 22, that base in jordan, i think there were going to be questions about exactly what gets hit and how, we're being told there will be multiple countries and locations, that it will involve iranian targets outside iran, and there will be kinetic and cyber operations. i'll tell you this, the u.s. has hit iranian-backed militia in this region in october and november and december, and in january. and evidence of last weekend, it hasn't had a discernible impact or hasn't changed the strategic goals to push the u.s. out of this region. i think there will be and ought to be questions about what exactly the u.s. is planning, and how offensive it can be, whether it will perturb iran.

ataib hezbollah has suspended attacks, but you can't believe militia like that that are supported by iran. they will say anything. they're putting pressure on the white house to back off. that seems unlikely. >> what does iran want? >> it's difficult to say, what keir said, they want the u.s. presence out of the middle east as a larger picture. in this particular case, it's hard to say whether iran had direct knowledge of this particular attack. it's probably unlikely given what we saw the iranians immediately claiming they had nothing to do with it. they probably didn't know. they know they're giving drones to these groups, and groups in iran. there's tit for tat, as keir pointed out over the months from last year, and i think they're

going to continue the pressure. i think if there's an actual attack on iranian soil, that would escalate to a point. >> what would iran do in response if there was. and so far what we know from the u.s. is they don't plan on attacking. >> highly unlikely inside iraq. that would probably involve civilian deaths and iran would have to respond on a much larger scale than it would ordinarily. there is some communication through qatar. we have mutual channels with the iranians saying we're going to have to hit you. if you look at the way the iranians have acted in the past, recently when they attacked pakistanis inside pakistan, and pakistan attacked iranians inside iran, there was a tit for tat, and they're back to being friend again. not that the u.s. and iran will make friends anytime soon, there will be a response that iranians respect that militias expect, i

worry a little bit about statements like this is going to be a long-term thing. it's going to be ongoing. that means there's going to be ongoing retaliation from the other side. >> what can the u.s. do to deter iran from funding the militia groups. to get proxy wars to stop targeted americans, or stop targeting israel. >> probably negotiations. under president obama, we had the jcpoa, we had a deal with iran, and things were quiet for quite a long time. when president trump withdrew and imposed harsh sanctions on iran, and iraq, and killed their most famous, powerful general in an assassination, and by the way, also killed the general who was in charge of hezbollah, the group that is accused of hitting tower 22. anyway, all of that has meant there's been an escalation in violence and conflict between

iran. i don't think there's anything the u.s. can do to stop iran from its overall goal of having american troops out of the middle east. >> keir, you're in iraq, and as you said, the u.s. forces have hit targets in iraq, proxy groups tied to iran. how has iraq reacted and what's the risk there for the united states? >> that's a great question because i'll tell you why, because it really spotlights the incredible complexity, so iraq is a country that's a partner of the u.s. and a partner of iran. so the danger about a major strike in iraq, you encourage them to demand that the u.s. leaves iraq, it's one of the difficulties that president biden is having to weigh up in the situation room. i mean, just put this one point on the table, of course. if you've got a cease fire in gaza, that would potentially calm the situation down. the problem of course is that

it's difficult for the biden administration to persuade the israeli government to do that, and the israeli government has more aims than it intends to pursue, and it's clear, in any way you want to have the cease fire for its own reasons. every way you look at this, it is very very challenging. just in the point of a strike inside iran, no u.s. president has ordered a strike inside iran by the u.s. going back to the revolution, i mean, not president reagan in the 1980s, who sank half the iranian navy, and said to have had an impact. the response from iran if that happened, the worry is that teheran would feel that it would have to respond to demonstrate that the u.s. or even israel shouldn't do something like that. so you could just imagine the kind of conversations that are happening in the situation, the things that president biden is trying to figure out. fundamentally, what the american people, you know, off and on being really told here is that there was a small contingent of

u.s. military here in iraq, in syria, that nothing like the thousands that were here, of course, during the invasion of iraq, for example, they are a target. they're here to ensure that isis doesn't reemerge, but also kind of privately to try and confront those iranian forces in this region, and it is a very very difficult equation to try to square, if you like. because the iranians don't like the u.s. here. >> there are no clean decisions in that region. everything a multinational negotiation. keir simmons, uman, thank you very much. coming up, what happens in the uk and the u.s. and what happens if the uk and u.s. go to recognize a palestinian state at the u.n.? even as prime minister benjamin netanyahu says he will not. and quote, blood on your hands, senators confront the ceos of social media companies about the harm their platforms

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they currently are. in the room were a number of parents who have lost kids to either drugs or emotional abuse on those apps. and in a moment that was unlike anything we've seen in these hearings before, mark zuckerberg, the leader of meta, was pushed to apologize directly to those families. >> let me ask you this, let me ask you this, there's families of victims here today, have you apologized to the victims? would you like to do so now? they're here, you're on national television. would you like now to apologize to the victims who have been harmed by your -- would you like to apologize for what you have done to these good people. >> with everything you have all gone through, no one should have to go through, the things that your families have suffered, and this is why we invest so much and going to continue doing industry leading efforts to make sure that no one has to go through the types of things that

your families have had to suffer. >> he said, i'm sorry for everything that you have gone through, no one should have to go through the things your families suffered. he stopped short when asked if he would personally compensate them for the harm that they have suffered. >> will you personally commit to compensating the victims, you're a billionaire, will you compensate the victims, set up a compensation fund with your none. >> senator, these are complicated issues. >> that's not a complicated question though, will you set up a victim's compensation fund with your money, the money you made on these families sitting behind you, yes or no. >> senator, i don't think that that's -- >> sounds like a no. >> my job is to make sure that -- >> your job is to be responsible for what your company has done. you have made billions of dollars on the people sitting behind you here, you have done nothing to help them. you have done nothing to compensate them. you have done nothing to put it right. >> joining us now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles, and nbc news senior national correspondent, kate

snow. i know you have been covering this quite a lot. what's happening to kids on social media sites, the harm that is out there. what did you see today? what did you hear? i think kate's having trouble with her audio. let's go to ryan nobles first. this was a contentious hearing. the leaders of these companies were asked a lot of questions, including why they didn't support congressional legislation that the senators said would make it so that these kids were safer online. can you explain their positions? >> reporter: i think part of it is complicated. there isn't enough bipartisan support in congress to get a lot of this legislation over the finish line. there's no doubt that these companies are concerned about the level of regulation that could potentially come out of any form of legislation that's related to this specific issue, and one of the reasons that the social media companies feel they

are successful is because there is a wide range of expression on these platforms without a ton of limitations. you start to limit access and free flow of information, well, then these apps and these platforms aren't nearly as valuable as they once were. the members of congress, the argument they were making today, is the harm that was done by the free flow of information, particularly as it relates to young people under the age of consent, makes it necessary to put these regulations in place and that also these social media companies can't just expect to put these platforms out for world, and then not have culpability when there are serious problems that are directly related to the conduct that's taking place on these platforms. you sense frustrations from members of congress. it is also important to point out it's not as though congress

has its act together here, they are far behind the 8 ball when it comes to the process and the movement of tech as it develops. and they really aren't in a place where they have a standive bill where they have 60 votes in the senate and the house. >> the states are much more ahead of congress, they have been passing laws or trying to pass laws, but a lot of states trying to make it so kids under the age of 13 or 16, can't get online without parental consent. there are stronger protections in place, have found themselves facing legal cases that were brought by the big companies that stall the legislation. they feel frustrated. they say they have been working with companies to craft the legislation, only to find at the 11th hour, the companies oppose everything in court. kate snow, we got your audio pack working again. i know you have done a lot of reporting surrounding these issues. you have spoken to parents who

have lost children, what happened today? what was their reaction? >> yeah, katy, i'm in the hearing room where all this happened, and apologies for not hearing you earlier. this is where those families were sitting, right, and they were wearing black, the lot of them, holding up signs of their loved ones, all of whom, mostly children, died after something happened on a social media site. various different stories. some of their kids died because they bought drugs and they contained fentanyl. some of them died because of bullying online or on social media, and some of them it was sexual exploitation that drove them to take their own lives. so, i mean, very, you know, horrible stories here in the room, and i think what they want is change. i talked to a lot of them right after the hearing, and the same thing that ryan was saying about the frustration of congress not being able to do anything. they understand that. these families have been to

multiple hearings. they said identify been here again and again and again for years, and still nothing changes. there is a frustration among the families, i think what they would really like is for some very tangible things to happen. i'll give you one example, katy. anyone can go on any of these five social media platforms and sign up as a different person. i could go and create an account and say that i'm 10 years old, and there's no age verification done by these platforms. now, they say, the platforms say it would be onerous to do that, there are privacy issues involved. that's something that the parents of these people who they say have been victimized, they very much want something like that, very concrete things to change, to stop people from being abused because that is how pedophiles, by the way, are getting on these platforms. they're pretending to be 14-year-old children, katy. >> or, you know, you have cases where kids are sold pills through snapchat or instagram, and they don't know what's in those pills, they take them,

turns out test fentanyl, and they die. it's a very scary place. as you know, kid think they know everything and don't understand the risks a lot of times, and parents want more control over what's happening. ryan nobles, kate snow, thank you very much. we appreciate it. still ahead, what is going to happen to donald trump's business empire? judge engoron said he would try to tell us by today. first, though, what the uk and the u.s. might be considering to push to force a two-state solution. solution i know what it's like to perform through pain. if you're like me, one of the millions suffering from pain caused by migraine, nurtec odt may help. it's the only medication that can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks. treat and prevent, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. relief is possible. talk to a doctor about nurtec odt.

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we are waiting on word from both hamas and israel on whether they will accept the terms of hostage and cease fire deal negotiated in paris over the weekend, and while it is billion considered, the united states is staying close. secretary of state antony blinken will head back to the region in a couple of days, according to a senior u.s. official. his fifth trip since october 7th. and national security adviser jake sullivan met with the israeli minister for strategic affairs, also known as bibi's brain. spokesperson for benjamin netanyahu's office, tao heinrich. thanks for being here. is this deal going to be accepted? >> once we have something to be announced we'll announce and make it public. right now, that is not the case. the prime minister met with families of hostages today and in previous days as well, and he promised them, he assured them

that the government is doing everything possible on its end to try to bring about the release of more hostages. acting in various ways. there's the diplomatic avenue we're pursuing behind the scenes. i know there are many reports out there about potential terms. some of them are really inaccurate. but we don't really expand about -- >> what's inaccurate? >> exactly my next sentence. we don't expand publicly about the nature of these talks through international mediators, the united states obviously is involved and qatar and egypt or the terms that are being discussed for a very good reason. it's all very sensitive. human lives hang in the balance, and we don't want to risk it, but we know what is working, and that is military pressure, heavy military pressure. two goals of this war are not contradictory. we want to eliminate hamas and bring back the hostages. when we exert heavy military pressure on hamas, we push them

hard, we create the conditions for the diplomatic avenues to work. that's what happened back in november. that's what helped us create the frame work that saw the release of some of the hostages. it is not enough obviously. >> it's gotten intense in khan younis, more intense than normal or has been, is that because it looks like you guys are on the verge of coming to an agreement for this extended cease fire for hostages? >> it's intense because there's a lot of terror and terror infrastructure to dismantle there, and there's still a lot to be done. i mean, the progress on the ground is very positive. we eliminated more than 9,000 hamas and palestinian islamic jihad terrorists, we arrested 2,300 and eliminated much of the terror infrastructure, but there's so many tunnels still to dismantle, terror infrastructure that we're fighting in civilian structures, tunnel shafts and schools, cemeteries and whatnot. >> i know that the tunnels are getting flooded with sea water. how can you ensure that hostages are not going to get hurt in

this process of trying to get hamas out of those tunnels? >> this is one way by which we dismantle some of the tunnels, not all of the tunnels, but keep in mind, i mean, the hostages is the top of mind for the government, for the troops on the ground, and in the central demand, when we make such decisions. they should also be the top of mind of every international discussion obviously about the war. >> the israelis entered a hospital, and in your words in your country's words, neutralized three terror suspects. can you tell us what they were accused of doing? because the west bank says, and the palestinians say that this is a violation of international norm. >> well, this was a targeted raid with no collateral damage. we neutralized the three terrorists. they were part of a terrorist cell, a palestinian cell of terrorists that were hiding inside that hospital. one of them was involved with

hamas. he was in contact with hamas people abroad, also bringing ammunition. he was involved in the past in a terrorist attack and was injured in it, and he was plotting to carry out another one in the immediate future, inspired by the attacks on october 7th. the other two, one of them was involved with the palestinian islamic jihad. one way or another, they all were involved in terrorism, and plotted to carry out another attack against israeli civilians, so that is why when we have the information, we went there and eliminated the threat. >> hospitals are supposed to be safe zones. are you saying there are circumstances they are not? >> like in gaza, when you see almost every hospital in gaza, as you know, unfortunately this is also the case in the west bank as we saw with this specific terrorist cell, they think that the hospital will give them some kind of immunity. as we did, we went in to carry

out a very targeted operation to take out the terrorist elements, but in gaza, you know, we arrested the head of the kamaal 1 hospital in gaza, for instance, and brought them for interrogation in israel, and he told us that 16 of the staff of the hospital, himself included, were recruited to hamas. held different positions within hamas. you're talking about doctors, nurses, staff of the hospital. this guy, the head of the hospital, he was involved with hamas's 2010, so how does it work? you have your position as a doctor in the day, but then once hamas calls you, you take arms and you go kill jews, fight the jews. >> tal heinrich, i have to leave it there. thank you very much for coming in. we do hope this deal is something that can be agreed to so there's relief for the hostages and the palestinians. thank you for being here. >> thank you, katy. coming up, interest rates

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trump's ability to do business here in new york is in the balance, and so is the balance on his savings accounts. joining us now, msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin. it could be as much as $370 million, right, and the inability for the trump organization to do business here in new york. >> that's right. >> we're waiting on judge engoron, do you think it's going to come today? >> i don't. i just have a feeling that we're not going to see something from judge engoron today. >> what's he considering? why is it so complicated? >> people think this is a case just about damages, but actually it's more complicated than that. there were six remaining claims after the damages but actually it's more complicated than that. there were six remaining claims after the attorney general's office won. committed by former president trump, his two grown sons and several other defendants, both institutional and individual. but what has to be proven now is whether or not those same

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it is, she didn't know anything about me. she didn't know when it happened. there was nothing. people are looking at that case. it's a disgrace. we're appealing that case. we had a very hostile judge. we're appealing that case. it's a ridiculous case. it seems like just reading it, he's towing up to a line but he knows he can't cross it by just directly defaming carroll because then he'd be in this situation all over again. am i reading that right? are you reading it the same way? is it defamatory? >> borderline. if he had just restricted his comments to the case itself and even gone off on the judge who oversaw both trials, that would have been one thing. when he said to our own garrett haake she didn't know anything about me. she couldn't say when it happened. there was nothing. the judge has already decided that the existence of defamatory

statements and the existence of a sexual assault cannot be refuted and he entered orders saying that trump was not allowed to contest them at the last trial. but she didn't know anything about me. there was nothing. that strikes me as something that carroll's lawyers are going to take a close look at. my guess is they don't want to file a lawsuit on that particular statement, but the next time he goes a little bit further, we're in that territory. >> it's close. a jury and a court of law found he did sexually abuse her in another case. really quick. the classified documents case is actually happening. it's alive in florida. what did we find out today? >> it's like the most unknown unknown. what we know is that jack smith and his team met with the judge. the whole point of this hearing was to determine what classified information they can withhold from donald trump and his codefendants even as they go to trial. that includes possibly giving them unclassified summaries or

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interest rates are staying the same as expected but what did jerome powell signal today about the future? let's read between the lines. joining us now, christine romans. tell me, 5.3. how did he come to that? >> not moving on interest rates. keeping them here at this 23-year high because they're still trying to make sure that inflation, that beast, has been slayed and they're not quite there yet. the economy remains strong. the job market, jobless rate remains low. the job market is cooling which is something they'd like to see so i think they're going to sit on their hands here. they're not going to be cutting rates in the near term. >> by talking about the job market remaining strong, did that signal something about what might happen in march?

>> strong but slowing is what they want to see. i walked away from there thinking there's less likelihood of a rate cut in march. it will be later on in the year. the fed chief said there's six weeks between now and the next fed meeting. they probably need more than eight weeks of data to decide what's the best move for the economy. >> stock market is down. why are they reacting negatively? >> they wanted to see those cuts. i will say the s&p 500 is up 20% over the past year. it's been a darn good year so it doesn't take much for the folks on wall street to say, oh, maybe i'll take a little bit off the table here if we're not going to have lower rates in the next six weeks. >> so, does it sound like we are heading towards a soft landing? >> it sounds like it and eventually, the fed will have to ease rates. the longer the fed waits to trim those rates, the deeper you are into political season and the fed likes to be notoriously

apolitical. it's an independent government. it's not run by the president. the fed chief is appointed by presidents for long-terms so i think you'll start to get into this situation on the campaign trial where one candidate may not say anything about the fed and the other may say wait, you're cutting interest rates heading into an election. that's not fair. >> let's predict who those candidates might be and what they might say. christine, thank you very much. that is going to do it for me today. deadline white house starts right now. hi, everyone. it is 4:00 here in new york. consider it a new stage in what the january 6th select committee called the big rip off. after raising millions of dollars from every day americans off of completely baseless claims of fraud, donald trump is now taking money from his supporters to help him f