amazon as well. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. see you tomorrow night. you can reach me on social media @jdbalart. watch clips from our show on youtube. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the middle east on edge awaiting the u.s. military response to the deadly attack in jordan by iran-backed militants. this hour, the families of the three soldiers killed in that attack are about to meet with president biden, the first lady, and america's top military brass as the remains of their loved ones are brought home. hopes that hamas will compromise as its leaders react to a proposed hostage and temporary cease-fire deal. even israel -- even as israel is keeping up the pressure in gaza. can the two sides ever bridge

the gap? on campaign trail, former president trump and nikki haley ramping up their campaigns from south carolina to nevada. a deep dive on 2024 cybersecurity with the former leader of the top government agency for election protection. good day. it's a solemn day in dover, delaware. the families of three american soldiers killed by a drone in jordan sunday wait to welcome home the remains of their loved ones. this as the middle east is bracing for the retaliation for the deaths in hopes of deterring the assaults against the u.s. and allied interests throughout the region. u.s. officials say the pentagon is finalizing plans for a multi-tiered campaign against targets in several countries.

hamas political leaders issued a counterdemand to the proposed six-week cease-fire deal and phased release of prisoners. hamas is insisting any agreement lead to a complete withdrawal from gaza and exchange of pris prisoners. hamas has not come out -- heard from the most militant leaders believed to still be inside gaza who are directly responsible for the october 7 massacre. gazans desperate for a pause prematurely celebrated reports of a possible truce. this was the scene overnight in rafah. men and boys dancing in the streets. later they learned a deal is far from sealed. today, the idf says it has

dismantled hamas in khan yunis and is ready to push south where all the people are jammed along the border. more than a million gazans seeking shelter there after fleeing israeli assaults in the north. rafah is the main crossing for what little aid is still getting into gaza, raising fears it will exacerbate the desperate humanitarian crisis. joining us now is nbc's keir simmons in iraq, nbc's matt bradley in tel aviv, and white house correspondent peter baker. the pentagon looking for a potential attack window. it's not expected to be shock and awe like in baghdad. what is the mood amid this anticipation? any military strike has to take into consideration trying to reduce any collateral damage, civilians in the screen as well as weather conditions and other

variables. >> reporter: it's not likely to be that shock and awe that we saw. but it does feel like the quiet before the storm right now. you will expect to see a substantial series of strikes initially in order to send a message. i think one of the questions will be whether proxies are targeted or iranian assets outside of iran, but still iranian assets. how strong a message the biden administration is prepared to send. what we are hearing from the iranians saying today that we don't want a war. repeating that message. both sides have been saying. at the same time saying, we will respond strongly. the messaging is there. i think in terms of the kinds of strikes that are likely,

actually, it's possible to look at the past ten years, if you like, of israeli and u.s. strikes inside syria, for example, to see some of the places that maybe would be on the list. damascus airport, locations there. many of them are run by the iranians. aleppo, another place. there's a military industrial complex that is run by the iranians. there's a blurred line between what is syria and iranians and iranian proxies. that will be taken into account. in iraq, one of the factors will be trying to potentially hit targets here but remembering that iraq is a partner of the u.s. and of iran. the danger if you really surprise the government here is that you push the politics more towards iran. you increase the likelihood of demands that are here that the u.s. should leave iraq. all of those factors are at

play. that's partly why the biden administration, being as it is, is likely to be messaging to iran to try to manage the response, even while it tries to send a determined message. >> right now, we are seeing a picture, matt and keir and peter, the picture of the -- the live pictures from dover, delaware. the president has arrived, the first lady has arrived on the tarmac there greeting service members who will be on duty. we are not going to see a lot of the aspects of the dignified return. of course, that is the most solemn military ceremony there is. he is there for the military to have that dignified return, to receive dignified transfer as the families are awaiting a private meeting with the president and the first lady, also with secretary austin, c.q.

brown, all of the pentagon brass. matt bradley in tel aviv, what does the israeli war cabinet plan do? when do they plan to meet? what we heard is the political leader of hamas, not the most extreme leaders who are inside gaza, we are getting mixed responses. none of the responses from army israel or hamas are definitive. u.s. officials expect this to be a long negotiation with a lot of pushes and pulls. >> reporter: yeah. i have to tell you that this statement we just got within the last couple of minutes, it looks like we are back to square one. we heard from the spokesperson for the foreign ministry of qatar just last night saying there was a glimmer of hope that israel and hamas had both accepted this negotiation. now this statement -- i will read from it. it looks like this has become a

non-starter once again. hamas has returned to its maximalist goals in the negotiations. we heard from the head of the pollut bureau. any negotiations lead to a complete end of the aggression -- israel's aggression, the withdrawal of the army outside the gaza strip, which has been unacceptable to the israelis, and an end to the lifting of the siege. that has been in place for nearly two decades. this is something that is going to be putting everybody back to square one. i can't imagine that israel's war cabinet which means on sunday. it doesn't look as though this is going to go anywhere for now. it looks as though all the parties will have to convene again. we saw this hashed out in paris. it really doesn't seem like this has been a successful

negotiation as far as hamas is concerned. i really don't see -- what i'm hearing from the prime minister's office and from israeli officials that they will accept these maximalist goals which include at the end of the list the prisoner swap everybody has been talking about. >> i think the only caution i have is that i read that as well and that these are the positionings that people take as netanyahu over the last couple of days. of course, we know who signed on to the text on his behalf. i think what the americans expect and the qataries, they expect a lot of this to take place as people take their positions and try to get their most extreme members in line with something that can become a compromise. this is not anything expected to take place in just coming days. however, we will see. this is the middle east. as you know as well as anyone. peter baker, the u.n. says

israeli settlers have attacked palestinians in the west bank, nearly 500 times since october 7. that is the context as well as the politics for what the president did yesterday in the executive order taking action against four of the most violent or extreme settlers by their account. it has been a continuing problem in the west bank. if you want to comment also on the larger picture of the negotiations as they are evolving. >> yeah. i think you are right to remind us that public statements are sometimes indicative of what's happening behind closed doors and sometimes not. make clear, you are pushing hard and you are standing strong. you don't know for sure whether that's just for public consumption or a problem behind

closed doors. it's obviously an effort by the president, who has come under a great deal of criticism from his own left for being insufficiently concerned about the casualties in gaza, about 26,000 at this point reported killed. he is trying to suggest that he has concerns about how israel conducted itself, particularly in terms of the settlers in the west bank, which have been a longstanding problem and a longstanding source of instability and volatility, by imposing the sanctions, it's more of a message. i don't know if these four people had a lot of assets in the united states that they will lose. the point is to send a signal the president is concerned about the issues and he does understand the hardships of the palestinians who are feeling the weight of violence in that part of the world. whether it changes the politics, i don't know. it's not that likely to assuage a lot of critics. he was in michigan yesterday, the home of many arab americans

who are angry at him. >> indeed. a lot happening. it's evolving as we are on the air, which is why we have to keep on top of all of this. keir simmons, peter baker, and matt bradley. watching for the israeli reaction. the president of the united states and america's top military leaders honoring the fallen and embracing the families of three u.s. soldiers killed in jordan, that's next. a solemn ceremony, solemn transfer, when "andrea mitchell reports" is back in 60 seconds. you are watching msnbc. le with r demand... in real time. (jen) so we partner with verizon. their solution for us? a private 5g network. (ella) we now get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. our customers get what they want, when they want it. (jen) now we're even smarter and ready for what's next.

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reservists as they are brought off a military plane. it's a somber tradition known as a dignified transfer. it will not be shown on television. they served in a reserve unit in georgia. sanders and moffett were promoted to sergeant. there have been too many occasions where we have seen commanders in chief at that setting. i've been there. you are there today. it's unspeakably sad for the families. these are terrible moments for everyone. >> reporter: you are right, andrea. they are gold star families. it means they have had loved ones, service members who died

overseas in the middle of military operations that they were a part of. today, we will see three families come here. they are here at dover air force base to receive their loved ones in this dignified transfer ritual that is something that happens from time to time at this facility. the unusual part of this, that is outside the ritual, is the fact the president of the united states, the commander in chief, will be here with them on the tarmac to receive these transfer cases that are going to be taken from the plane, draped in american flags, and then transferred to the mortuary facility here at dover air force base. the president right now as we understand it, if things are on schedule, is meeting with the three families that have made the trip here from georgia. the president, we know, spoke to them by phone earlier in the week, each of the three families. asked their permission to be here with them in this moment. will likely spend the better part of an hour, possibly more, meeting with the families.

there's a facility here on the base that is specially designed for this purpose, to provide a space and a comfort to the families as they go into this process. the president will be able to talk about the soldiers. we know in the phone calls that there were deep conversations about who these young people were, these young sergeants were. that will be a part of the conversation before the transfer happens around 1:30, we think. we won't see that live. the families have agreed to allow media coverage. we will see video of that later this afternoon. >> aaron, thank you so much. for these families, for these soldiers, volunteer army, joining the army was a wonderful opportunity for career advancement and experience. it's just all terribly sad. we will hear later how they have reacted in terms of what kinds

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bashing haley's record as the former governor there. >> donald trump is the only man who can save america. president trump brought us the largest tax cut in our country's history. nikki haley offered the largest tax hike in south carolina history. the last time a tax hiking presidential candidate walked around south carolina in high heels was hillary clinton. >> ouch. joining me now ali vitali, in charleston, south carolina, and "washington post" senior national correspondent ashley parker. ali, mace turning against donald trump after january 6, but now he has her support. "the new york times" is reporting that haley backer ken griffin, who will be at a meeting with trump advisors next week, so she has a lot of

problems right now with three weeks to go. >> reporter: it's a steep climb. the haley campaign has known that from the moment they left new hampshire and turned towards what haley would call the grouper pastures of her home state. it says a lot when you ask the candidate and the campaign, as i have, as kristin welker did, what does success look like in south carolina? do you have to win not just because it's your home state but because you have yet to win a state on the map? haley is not laying this state as a must win, as least not by her success metric. she's saying she needs to prove she's still on an upward trajectory. she's doing better here than she did in new hampshire. that was the same metric she laid in new hampshire, that she had to do better there than iowa. we are watching them make the case, continuing to campaign in the state, continuing to press her message she's a former two-term governor and people remember what that was. what we saw here this morning and we have seen over the last

several days is that the trump campaign is willing to counterprogram her at every turn. they are willing do it with people who were former allies, who nikki haley herself helped stay on the ballot or in mace's case, helped wing in 2022. >> ashley, you have been doing reporting on donald trump's anger toward nikki haley for not dropping out and getting out of his way. how does that play with his base? >> there's a couple things at play. when we saw the former president's frustration, it was when nikki haley lost new hampshire to donald trump and she came on stage before him and she briefly -- she did acknowledge that he won the state. but she really gave a speech he viewed as a victory lap. he was furious because that was, frankly, borrowing a page out of donald trump's playbook, which is where he has actually lost elections and then refused to

admit defeat. sort of like game recognized game. he didn't like what he was seeing. if you watch nikki haley, she has ramped up her attacks on him. she has sharpened him. donald trump in general, he doesn't like being attacked by anyone, but he takes particular umbrage with strong women. that's why someone pointed out they weren't actually that surprised when he confused nikki haley with nancy pelosi, the former speaker. two strong women who have taken him on and got under his skin. it's really irritating him. i don't know it matters with his base, but it's getting under his skin. >> how does it help her, if at all? >> well, the one thing i have to say is she's sharpening her attacks on him. she seems to be enjoying herself. going up against him, she's going after him in some moments in a playful way, saying he is having temper tantrums, senior moments, he is melting down. it helps her because she's

making the case against him that frankly is what could make her a strong and formidable general election candidate if she could ever get her party's nomination. she's doing it in a way where she seems to be enjoying herself, she's not making herself small, as marco rubio did in 2016. she's doing this on her terms. >> ashley parker, ali vitali, thanks to both of you. with the number of polls showing a biden/trump rematch would be a close race, battleground states like pennsylvania and michigan are critical. the president was in michigan yesterday where anger is growing among the large arab american population over the war in gaza and u.s. funding for israel. listen to what one voter told gabe gutierrez. >> how disappointed are you with the biden administration? >> i'm heartbroken. i'm so hurt. there's a widespread underground

campaign of arabs, of muslims, where we cannot morally support president biden. >> if not president biden, would you vote for former president trump? >> no. >> who would you vote for? >> i would write in on the ballot "cease-fire, free palestine." >> joining us now is the national co-chair of the bidn re-election campaign and in charge of the billions of dollars in infrastructure that's been going up around the country. now that you are part of the campaign, it's great to see you. >> nice to see you. >> how concerned are you? you know the electoral math. how much concerned are you that the president is losing young arab and muslim american voters, young and old, and young voters? he is being protested against on college campuses and at campaign

events over this war. how concerned are you about that? >> first of all, campaigns have always complicated mixtures of different kinds of voters at different times. on this particular issue, the president's addressing this issue as the commander in chief. as you know, he has been very clear in his support of israel's right to exist. and its right to defend itself. he has been very clear that he wants to push israel to do everything they can to do more to protect innocent women and children and understands the personal pain that so many people are going through. this is going to be an emotional time, as you see, from day to day, this thing changes. the president has agreed to send top white house advisers and make sure that we stay in touch with the muslim american community and will continue to do that. i fully understand and appreciate the comments that your previous speaker made. when people stay home, they are helping donald trump. because elections are about choices. we will see how this plays out.

at the same time, when you have difficulty open one side -- the gender gap between the democrats and republicans is stretching out because other republicans' assault on women's freedom. we will speak for that as well. >> that is the push/pull of all of the issues. i point out that some members of the palestinian american community, the arab american community, in fact, refused to meet with the president when one was suggested apparently, according to some reporting, in michigan. the other big issue -- we will talk about the good issues in a moment. the economic numbers today are terrific. that's to come. let me ask you about the border. you have got a bill that would inevitably alienate bernie sanders and others as well because of how tough it is on

the border, by all reports. we haven't seen the text yet. it leaves the dreamers out. it's a tough issue. it's further complicated by what happened in new york city, which is really unspeakable where seven men were charged with assaulting -- you can see the pictures there -- members of the police near times square. released without bail. some of the suspects are -- in fact, all are migrants who came to new york city last year. the nypd's chief of patrol was asked about this. take a look. >> disgusted, angry. as a citizen who lives here, i'm saying to myself, what hatched? as a cop, i wish i could be there to help them. how did we get here? why did this happen? we are up to 14 people versus two. >> you can blame governors abbott and desantis for sending

migrants, these poor people are being used as pawns, for all of that. the immigration is just a terrible issue. now you have this border bill that you are proposing it, risking your own base. it's stuck because the speaker and others in the house in particular don't even want to let a senate democratic republican bipartisan compromise get anywhere, because they -- by senator grassley's own concession, they want the issue more than they want border control. >> right. first of all, with those pictures, it's something that's indefensible. the violence against those police officers is inexcusable. those individuals should be dealt with in the harshest of terms and justice should be meted out. we have had a broken immigration system for the last 20, 25 years, maybe even longer than that.

congress can't seem to do what is necessary to fix the problem. as you may recall, president biden on his first day in office sent a comprehensive immigration reform bill to congress. this congress has worked hard to do nothing. as you said, the president, always having to deal with difficult issues, trying to find balance on both sides, because he thinks he works for all of the american people, has had teams on the hill negotiating with the senators. then here comes donald trump, who after yelling crisis at the border said, i didn't mean that, i don't want to close the border. there's a high level of frustration. a large number of folks on the hill have been working on this. although, we haven't seen the text yet, have evidently come up with a compromise that they think works. compromises are what they are. they don't please everybody. every time you pass a piece of legislation, somebody is going to be upset. being able to manage that, of course, is critically important.

the president has always believed we should secure the border, do it in a humane way, do it in a way that has a system that is fair and just and makes a tremendous amount of sense. that is what they are talking about. it's incomprehensible that speaker johnson and some of the maga republicans on the house side will take this opportunity when you have a compromise in front of you to say no just for political purposes. that tells you a little bit about who those folks are. this president said he wanted to bring people together to get things done. he has demonstrated time and time and time again that he can actually do that in a way that is more comprehensive than other presidents that have gone before him. he is ready to do it again. >> finally, as promised, the economy. the jobs numbers were nearly double the expectation, 353,000 hired, unemployment remaining at 3.7%. how do you get the campaign messaging in gear and the white house messaging to drive that

home? >> they're starting to feel it. the indications are they are starting to feel it. there were polls last week that consumer confidence is going up. the president of the united states, joe biden says, let's get stuff done. donald trump advocated for himself and said the next four years he will be a president of vengeance and retribution. the difference -- the big difference between these two guys is that one of them talks a lot of trash. the other one gets it done. when president biden came into office, we passed four of the largest pieces of legislation seen investing in the american people to build an economy from the bottom up and middle out. judged on our success. 350,000 jobs, that's 15 million jobs, more than every other president during this period of office. by the way, donald trump's numbers, minus 2.5. the economy is blowing.

we are working hard to lower cost, especially on prescription drugs, and on junk fees. the president will continue to fight for everyday americans. right now, we have the receipts that show it. we will tell the american people about it. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. good being with you. in the balance. three major funding packages facing an uncertain future on capitol hill. the latest on new funding for the border, plus israel and ukraine in the same package. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. . there's nothing better than a subway series footlong. except when you add on an all new footlong sidekick. we're talking a $2 footlong churro. $3 footlong pretzel and a five dollar footlong cookie. every epic footlong deserves the perfect sidekick. order one with your favorite subway series sub today.

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top negotiators in the senate say they have hammered out a deal to strength immigration and asylum laws. it could be a significant breakthrough. the big problem is the text isn't out yet, and a short time ago one of the negotiators, senator chris murphy, posted on x, formerly known as twitter, the bill will be released this weekend. he expects a vote next week. on capitol hill, allies of former president trump have been trying to undermine the legislation arguing it would give biden a win in an election year. this response from -- >> i'm disappointed in the strange maneuvering by many on the right to torpedo a potential border reform bill. that's what we ran on doing. they think securing the border

would help biden politically? i told my voters i would secure the borders. >> joining us now is mike quigley of illinois on the appropriations committee and is the co-chair of the ukraine caucus. congressman, it's great to see you. we don't know the details of the border bill. it doesn't include dreamers, many things the progressive caucus wants. it's supposedly a big policy change on asylum and other big concessions from the white house. chuck schumer said it's going to include aid for ukraine and israel. can you get through the house? >> first, speaker johnson has said it's dead on arrival. what they have done is tied the aid to a package they are saying it's dead on arrival. it's a no-win situation. i would like to think through one means or another we could get a vote on the floor.

if it gets to the floor of the house, i do believe it would pass. >> it would pass because you think there are enough republicans in this very narrowly held republican house, enough republicans would switch over and you could hold the democrats? >> look, we just talked about the ukraine side of this. i would say about 100 republicans support that. they still support the reagan doctrine, understand this isa moral and strategic imperative to defend ukraine. it gets tough. when the middle is vacated, especially by the far right, it's hard to get things done. this is probably our last best chance to do it under the speaker johnson administration. >> you will have to bring along

a lot of the progressive democrats who hate this border bill. speaking about ukraine, the eu just approved -- they had to overcome objections from hungary, $54 billion for ukraine. kyiv is relying on more u.s. aid there are weapons that come only from the u.s. you know that better than i. the cia director wrote cutting off aid to ukraine would be a mistake of historic proportions. how long can ukraine survive? into next year without the funding? >> it's tough. they are already short changing their effort by rationing munitions. what the eu is sending is a lot of economic aid, which is critical as well. it's obvious the situation could turn in a moment's notice. i don't think putin can ever win the war under his definition of this. but there could be extraordinary devastation, russia could regain

vast swaths of ukrainian territory. all the reasons we fought the second world war, the reasons we formed nato and the united nations would be lost. perhaps worse would be our standing in the world. i think it's time to heed the words of general milley and secretary austin. if we let stand putin's aggression, we're inviting more bloodshed and very real possibilities of having to double our military budget in the future. >> congressman mike quigley, thank you very much. appreciate you being here today. >> thank you. make sure to catch "meet the press," an important show this sunday. kristin welker will speak with house speaker mike johnson who holds the cards on whether this bill goes through. election protection, next i will speak to a top former government official who kept the 2020 election safe, about the glaring red flags we are seeing for 2024. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. mitchell reports."

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great to see you. thank you. there's so much happening. one of the things we know is that chris wray talked about the cyber threat from china based on a december intelligence assessment that went out. that's a continuing threat from china, or as you would put it evolving threat? >> i think so. the wednesday hearing on chinese cyber threat was remarkable in that you had the director of the fbi, my successor, the outgoing commander of cyber command and the national cyber director, they were all unified in their view that china is an ever increasing threat. it used to just be information collection, where they would steal sensitive u.s. government data or intellectual property from companies. now you have a much more nefarious, insidious threat where they put into position --

they are getting into position for disruptive or destructive threats, which entirely aligns with industry view. my intelligence team sees the same thing, more destructive activity. now that we have an election season coming up and we have had all this chatter and the estimation that they are trying to get in position to take over taiwan by 2027 potentially, it is quite concerning that at the time that we see this increase in geopolitical activity and we have china making their moves and we have all this other activity with cybercrime hitting counties in georgia and whatnot that it is going to be a very active year. >> you have russia, iran and other players besides other pla china. china's probably the most active? >> well, i would actually say that russia continues to be the most active. we have the russian svr their intelligence service hitting microsoft corporate email a couple of weeks ago, hpe, there

are probably going to be many more companies that come out in the coming weeks about that campaign. you've had iran in the wake of october 7th going after israeli companies that provide support to u.s. critical infrastructure. so i don't even want to compare one to the next. we have to be prepared for all threats, plus, as i already mentioned the cyber criminal effort, which is really the pacing threat for u.s. businesses. that's something that everybody's got to be prepared for. >> and admiral stavridis who of course is our top international contributor, he has pointed out that there could well be a cyber component of this anticipated retaliation against iran, not hitting them, you know, territorially, but hitting their assets around the world as well as their proxies, but also a cyber component. >> yes, and i think those -- that cyber component could be targeted at proxies, it could be targeted at government agencies and military agencies, ministry

of defense assets. that is something that we are quite good at and with general nakasoni, the commander of cyber command, today is his last day. there was just today a change of had command ceremony. general tim hawk is coming in, and i wouldn't be surprised if there was a little parting or farewell gift from the general to the iranians. >> he has been an extraordinary leader of the national security agency. >> it was a tremendous honor to work alongside him, one of the most impressive leaders i've ever seen, but i've got a significant amount of confidence in general hawhawk, who worked closely with him in the 2018 elections in the defense of that election, so i think we're in good shape, as general nakasoni said earlier this week, 2024 will be the most secure to date. >> these are the silent war yores. this just in from matt miller at the state department, the u.s.

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hush money payments to turn on his former boss, not likely he would, he's fiercely loyal and he admitted to orchestrating a scheme to acquire off the books luxuries from other trump organization executives, which landed him in jail for nearly 100 day join us now, catherine christian. what's your read on his potential plea and what impact it might have on the evidence against the former president? >> i think judge engoron who's the judge in the civil fraud case and you just said the decision expected this week won't come until the middle of february, will probably independently say that mr. weisselberg's testimony was not credible. this certainly lends credence to that if he's actually pleading guilty to lying on the stand for perjury. he was not going to be used by the manhattan d.a.'s office for the hush money case, and certainly donald trump wasn't going to call him. it's a statement to any other

witness that donald trump might call that they if they intend to lie under oath, they too will be prosecuted for it. >> what's your guess as to when we could see that decision in the civil fraud trial? why do you think it's delayed until two more weeks at least? >> you know, i don't know. the only thing i could think is the judge is just trying to take his time and make sure it's appellate proof, so he's the one who tried the case and made the decisions, and he wants to be as thorough as possible so when donald trump will inevitably appeal, the appellate court will look at it and not overturn his decision. >> clearly it's another hit on his pocketbook after the $83 million verdict that he's of course going to appeal, but my understanding is he even had difficulty posting the bond to file the appeal. so he's not as liquid in his assets. he's got real estate holdings, but you can't sell those quickly. you can borrow against them, but

he may have some issues financially? >> he certainly does. i mean, he says he's one of the wealthiest men in the country, in the world, so clearly that's not accurate. >> catherine christian, as always, thank you so much. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports". on national wear red day, i'm clearly wearing red, wearing red to support the american heart association's go red for women movement in the fight against the number one killer of women, heart disease and stroke. and remember to follow the show on social media @mitchellreports and you can rewatch the best parts of the show on youtube. just go to msnbc.com/andrea. "chris jansing reports" will start in a second, but don't forget to watch kristen welker on "meet the press." kristen welker has the speaker of the house. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. ♪♪ good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. today will mark a moment