on this hour of ayman, how a devastating article has put michigan city on high alert. the mayor is here to tell you what his city is really like, and why he decided to snub a presidential visit. also tonight, a look at the first hundred days of speaker johnson as he battles the senate on sending aid to israel. new reporting on the speakers ties to a group that justifies biblical slavery. next stop, nevada. ahead of caucus day, we unpack the confusion around the state's presidential nominating process. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's do it. ♪ ♪ ♪ dear born michigan's high home to the largest mcglynn

population in the country. there -- and the subsequent crisis, as many people have personal ties and connections to the region. now the mayor of dearborn, abdullah hammoud is ramping up enforcement in -- after a scathing op-ed was published on friday, entitled, welcome to dearborn, america's jihad capital. the mayor says that the article is already led to a alarming increase in islamophobia rhetoric and online targeting. the piece has received widespread criticism over the last few, days including from -- mallory mcmorrow, who called it not only irresponsible, but downright dangerous. that is because grossly mischaracterizing politicians, pro palestinian protesters living in the city. it conflates them with organizations like hamas and hezbollah, a country like iran.

it makes no mention of the more than 27,000 people, many women and children killed inside of gaza, according to the palestinian health ministry. as the reason that the millions of people across the country and the world are protesting. this comes at a time where we are seeing rising anti-american and anti-muslim sentiments throughout the country. let's not forget that back in october, a six-year-old palestinian boy, he was stabbed to death by his landlord in an alleged anti muslim hate crime. in november, a former obama official was arrested after he was recorded taunting a new york city food vendor with islamophobic insult. he has since reached a plea deal on hate crime charges. in november, a man was arrested after shooting three palestinian students in vermont simply because they were speaking arabic with a mix of english. three of them were wearing a traditional muslim headdress. one was left paralyzed from the chest down. local and federal authorities

are still investigating the motive in that crime. it goes without saying that the kind of rhetoric that we see in the wall street journal leads to real life threatening consequences that president biden has a acknowledged is a danger in a post on x. saying in part, americans -- based on the words of a small few is wrong. that's exactly what can lead to islamophobia and anti-arab hate. it should not happen to the residents of dearborn, or any american town. notice that the post makes no mention of the op-ed in question. the president support among arab americans has taken a drastic turn recently, whopping 70% down from in 2020. the numbers are also dropping in michigan where recent polls have placed donald trump in the league. in the last week, president biden might have been hoping to turn things around with a visit to the state. instead, a tense scene unfolded at uae w eventing in warren,

where a group of palestinian protesters confronted him over his administration support for israel's ongoing war in gaza. the biden campaign had planned to meet with several arab american leaders and michigan, but several of them, including dearborn's mayor abdullah hammoud declined the invitation. mayor hammoud joins us to discuss this and more. mayor hammoud, it's a pleasure to have you on the show. thank you for joining us. i will start with the wall street journal op-ed. you have called it racist, bigoted, and islamophobic. i've listed a few examples of the kind of ramifications that a piece like this can lead to in our country. talk to us through what you are hearing on the ground from your constituents. how it is landing in the community, and what made you make the decision to increase the police presidents in and around community centers, places of worship, and elsewhere? >> thank you so much for having me. that piece was extremely inflammatory. upon it being published, we received many calls from faith

leaders across the community that no longer felt safe. including residents and members of the congregation. working with our police chief, we helped with patrols, especially around places of worship to make sure the people not only felt like they were safe, but knew they were safe. it was an alarming rate of anti- -- and anti-arab rhetoric spewed over various social media forms. language such as dearborn might be a great place, until i show up with my ak-47. that kind of language is unacceptable. it is something that we want to ensure to our residents are doing all we can to ensure their safety. >> can you describe for us some of the conversations you've had with our constituents since the war began generally? however the members of your community talked about the grief and pain of what they are experiencing as arab americans, muslim americans, or residents in your community with close ties to gaza and what is happening there? >> for many, they are reliving

the trauma. we are home to a large palestinian community, syrian, yemeni communities. many of them are arab refugees themselves. they bear the scars and the first head of counts -- of what it was like living under occupation, apartheid, under bombardment. watching all of the scenes unfold, the genocide being livestreamed, it is if they're living this experience all over again. when you have residents coming to council meetings, when we passed the cease-fire resolution. talking about losing 80 loved ones. what words can you offer? condolences are surely not enough. this is a time in which our dearborn community comes together. arab and non arab alike, muslim and non muslim alike. being together in this very difficult moment. >> last time on the program, i talked to michael, tyler communications director for the biden campaign. let's take a listen to what he told me after i asked him about the support of arab american and muslim voters in a swing state and an important state like michigan. we are certainly concerned

about every, state michigan as well. we are reminding folks that a, the president is approaching the conflict as the commander in chief, not the lines of politics. he is going to continue to engage in the community from now through november, and through the next four years when he is reelected. the people elected joe biden because he has the decency, the seriousness of purpose to serve his commander of chief. and to serve as president. we know that that starts -- in stark contrast to donald trump, who is running a campaign of revenge, retribution, of harm because he cares about himself. he certainly has no business stepping back into the oval office. we will engage the community, and continue to present our vision in contrast that with our opponent in donald trump. >> two things that stood out to me. one, the words of empathy and decency. i think one of the criticism has been that the administration hasn't shown enough empathy and decency to constituents like yours in dearborn or other palestinian arab, or muslim americans. number two, the contrasting of trump as being of revenge and

retribution. i think that i would pose that and get your reaction to how that message matches with biden's actions when it comes to the israel-hamas war and so far? >> the residents in dearborn feel betrayed by president biden. he promised decency and lead with humanity in the white house. what we have seen since october 7th are anything but. residents feel ignored, anytime a spokesperson split steps to a podium representing a state department, we see that lack of empathy being spewed from the podium. you are questioning the number of palestinian lives that have actually been lost. when you express that the only thing that can be promised is more civilian casualties and reluctantly only speaking to palestinian lives in reference to civilian casualties. for us, when you have an opportunity to engage the community, because i heard the spokesperson used the word engage. there are several forms of engagement. to only send a campaign manager as the first form of camp -- to

the city of dearborn, speaking with the arab and muslim community. it is a complete slap in the face. for, us it's a moment of electoral politics. it's a moment for us to put the humanity at the forefront, to talk about the context of palestinians outside of the context of poll numbers. we look forward to having serious dialogue with policy makers and -- about how to change course. if you want to make contrast with donald trump, you have to talk about what makes you different as it pertains to our family members and friends overseas. we are currently lacking each and every single day. 8% of gaza has been decimated. 100 percent of the people have been displaced. 15% of all those killed are children. talk to us about what changes tomorrow. >> if you had a chance to speak to president biden directly, what would you say to him? >> i think immediately i would say that there is always time to do the right thing. the right thing in this moment of time calls for a cease-fire unequivocally. that is what is needed. we talk about also putting back forth the funding for -- which

is helping to ensure that 2.2 million people do not die of famine. these are some of the talking points. to implore the president as somebody who touts decency and humanity in the white house, to search his soul. to listen and heed the concerns of americans. not just air but americans and muslim americans, but americans from coast to coast about ushering the diplomatic efforts and moving this forward as a nation. >> as you have probably heard, and certainly there have been these voices out there are critical of how arab americans or muslim americans might vote. they say that if donald trump does in fact beat joe biden in a state like michigan, that arabs and muslims would be blamed for that. i want to give you a chance to respond to that criticism. i know that you are saying it's not right to look at this electoral politics. the electoral conversation, the political conversation is happening as a tool against the community right now. >> i have never lived in a world

where you point at the voters and blame them if the candidate does not win. the candidate needs to self reflect, look in the mirror, and in this case be president biden. the question falls squarely on him. what will he do to demonstrate, to rebuild the trust and respect among arab americans and muslim americans? and democrats across the base. 80% support a cease-fire. what will they do to prevent the unraveling of american democracy, which is the threat that donald trump poses? as questions need to be put back on to the candidate, and no blame should be put on a voter constituent. we have to go to the polls with hope, inspired, supporting the candidate. this idea that you drop people to the ballot box by getting them to say i am the lesser of two evils, or out of fear of who might assume the office. that is not as inspirational as one would hope. >> all right, dearborn mayor abdullah hammoud. thank you so much for your time and insights. i appreciate you joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> anti-lgbtq rights, defenders

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this past friday marked the hundred days of mike johnson's speakership. boy, does time flight. how do we commemorate this milestone? we could focus on his, record which includes trying to sabotage the bipartisan border deal without having actually read it. or the ongoing threat of being ousted by his far-right colleagues. or maybe how he apparently

takes fake phone calls to avoid reporter questions while he is on the hill. instead, we actually wanted to turn our attention to a side of mike johnson that reveals more about the man who controls the speaker's gavel. and that is his ties to christian extremists. a new investigation from the daily beast reveals johnson had close relationships with influential leaders of a radical sect of christiane 80, called christian dominion-ism. and that includes david martin, a christian nationalists who spearheads a group known for their defense of biblical slavery and challenging the 13th amendment. the daily beast also reports in 2000 -- in 2019, excuse, me johnson delivered a keynote speech to the council for -- a secretive pro christian group that wields immense influence and conservative politics. that group was cofounded by gary north, and influential christian dominion estes who has endorsed biblical slavery in the past.

and on top of all this, just this week, johnson spoke at a summit hosted by the family of the research council, you may have heard about them. they are an anti lgbtq a group, alongside with a pastor who suggested demonic spirits are behind abortions and lgbtq health care. i'm joined by my panel, tara setmayer, senior advisor at the lincoln project and a former gop -- and donna edwards, msnbc political analyst. ladies, great to have both of you with us. tara, i will start with you. we've known johnson has had these ties to christian nationalism, but these new details really bring it to a whole other level. what does it say that someone with these affiliations has, a, held this powerful position for 100 days now and, when b, a second in line to the presidency. >> that's his prerogative. he is entitled to believe what

he wants to believe. however, as a secular nation, the american people do not have to vote for that agenda. i think it is incumbent upon democrats running in 2024 to point out, this is what johnson believes, this is who he associates with, and this is how we would like to legislate. are these the types of people you won in power? that is the goal here. call the idea of christian nationalism, christian dominion -ism, has really become a spotlight because of how many of these people have been given these -- this has existed for a long-time. there's always been the moral majority, the family research council. this has always been present in the republican party. however, it never had this level of power and influence before where there was this much ability to affect legislation and everyday lives. listen, if you wants to believe in those things, like i said, that is his prerogative. we are still a free country as of right now. but the american people need to

fully understand that elections have consequences and democrats need to saddle every single republican to mike johnson, the way republicans did, to nancy pelosi in 2010. and that is what matters. vote him out at the ballot box. i don't want someone that emulates a commander in the handmaid's tale as the speaker of the house. >> donna, when asked for comment, johnson's office said, quote, none of these actions are comments referencing were made by speaker johnson. why is it so hard for someone like mike johnson, in his capacity as speaker of the house, to condemn those comments? >> first of, all the speaker of the house don't attend. that is sort of rule number one. it is interesting because i was surprised that more people did not focus on his inaugural speech when he became speaker. because it had all of that forever of christian nationalism in that speech.

it told me a lot about him. and these latest moves and affiliations really don't surprise me at all. i do think the nation should be concerned that here you have a speaker of the house who is supposed to govern for all of us. and he shares these beliefs which are not, i used to describe things as right-wing. these things are way outside of the mainstream. and speaker johnson is one of the acolytes. >> tara, there is also this matter of growing frustration among house republicans with his leadership, which has been a fundamental problem. we knew it would emerge at some point. the daily beast is reporting that he's angered a number of sanctions in his own conference, lawmakers saying he's taking on both sides of -- talking out of both sides of his mouth, telling him what they want to hear, and then doing the exact opposite of what they want. could johnson be heading for the same fate as kevin mccarthy? >> maybe.

this is a completely ungovernable caucus. these are not serious. people they demonstrated this repeatedly. i am not surprised at that. plus, what do you expect? they elevated a guy who has relatively no experience in republican leadership. he did not work his way through the ranks traditionally to understand how to work the speaker of the house position. and, so what do they expect? he is learning on the job. you get what you pay for. i want to answer your question about why he doesn't condemn those comments or in these groups. it's because he believes it, amen. he is in line with them. he is aligned, ideologically, with them. with people who are passing themselves off like david barton as historians and have no degree. he's not a historian. he doesn't have a degree in that we're in law. he has a degree from oral roberts in christian education. these people are grifters. they recognize there are a lot of people out here who are

susceptible, there are low information voters. they manipulate that. this is very dangerous. you have a huge constituency of people out here who are being manipulated and led astray into the belief that donald trump is some savior sent by god. i guess they forgot about the idolatry part of it all. this is something that makes it the good versus evil argument that makes it so dangerous, they are rationalizing violence behind it. and if they believe fundamentally, spiritually that this is their calling from god, it's very difficult to be rational. that's how you get people rationalizing insurrections and donald trump being a moral guy. >> yeah. >> this is very concerning. the reason why he doesn't condemn it is because he believes it. >> i was going to say, to the congresswoman's point, it's one thing to have those personal beliefs. it's another thing to take the weight of the office and attend the meeting as a speaker of the house. when you do so as speaker of the house, you are bringing the recognition from that office. for, me i just find, that as you say, you can have your beliefs. it doesn't make sense for the

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we are off to the races again this week with the nevada democratic and republican presidential primaries just two days away. unlike previous, years nevada state lawmakers opted to move away from its traditional ios tile presidential caucus in favor of a state run primary. and that is happening on tuesday. the fear is a twist we told you about, the state gop straight- up rejected that idea and chose to hold caucuses anyway. those are going to go down on thursday. it also barred candidates from appearing in both the primary and the caucuses ballot, meaning that the last two major gop presidential candidates will appear in separate contests in the same state, believe it or not. with nikki haley on the primary

ballot, and donald trump in the caucuses. to break down what all of this means, i'm joined by the ceo and editor of the nevada independent and and recently see political analyst and the dean of nevada journalists. nobody better to help us understand what's happening in your state with this republican mess. but walk us through it. it's going to be a chaotic week. explain to us what is happening with the republican ballots here. >> it is just as goofy as you've described. it is really something to behold. people are confused here and across the country because there are these two separate ballots being cast on tuesday and then again on thursday. early voting has been going on for a week. it just ended on friday. 58,000 republicans have already cast votes. not one vote has been cast for donald trump, because of what you mentioned, that they ban them from the candidates for appearing on both ballots. trump's campaign is obviously

worried that caucus turnout is going to be very low, because of the turnout in the primary, until they urge people to vote none of the above in the primary to make vaguely look bad, while coming out to caucus for trump. i cannot believe that the turnout in the caucus is going to be what it will be for the primary. >> what a head-scratcher of a development. it really just doesn't make any sense politically for the republican party. that's a lot for them. you posted yesterday on x about a report from your paper, writing about early voting in nevada is over for tuesday's primary. you just mentioned there, 58,000 republicans have voted, not one of them for trump. it's a tragedy beyond words. all getting aside, here talk to us about this early -- voting and how things are looking and why that is so important, to what extent it matters for the gop, broadly speaking. >> i'm glad you pointed out that i was getting about the tragedy beyond words. i

mean, it is so embarrassing for this state. what people don't realize, i think, is that the republican party in nevada, like many other state republican parties, is controlled by trump supporters. they did this thinking it would be a favor to trump, because at the same time that we became a primary state instead of a caucus state, we got all mail universal ballots sent out. i think they were worried trump's margin with every republican getting a ballot might not be as big as if they fix the caucus for him, which would have a much smaller turnout. the real issue here i think is that nikki haley, unless the none of the above campaign works, is going to get a headline on friday evening, on msnbc, nbc, and every other network that says haley wins nevada primary. she could've played this off, she could've campaigned here. she could've invested here. she didn't. she is not only ignoring the state, much eu said the process

isn't fair, i will go through a state, south carolina, where the process is fair. she could've gained some momentum. now, if she loses to none of the above, it will be the death nail for her campaign. >> you bring up an interesting point. while donald trump arguably is set to win all 26 delegates available thursday, in thursday's caucuses, axios is reporting that his team is worried about a hollow victory and potential embarrassment for him in nevada if he ends up getting fewer votes in the caucuses than nikki haley does in the primary. i go back to your point. it could've been a victory to certainly a pr victory for nikki haley. but do you think we could see that happen? how big -- house ignition with that before his armoured to have a change in his arm or if that does in fact happen? >> it's really hard to tell. the conventional wisdom is that trump is going to coast to the

nomination, nikki haley is just an irritant, despite what she has said. but the early state says, as you, know are not about amassing delegates. nevada only has 26 delegates. you need 1215 to get the nomination. the early states are really just about getting momentum. someone gets a ticket or two out of iowa, then new hampshire, furthers the winnowing process and then you come to nevada and she could've gotten some momentum after claiming that she did so well in new hampshire. whether that happens now i think is up in the air. i still think there is a decent chance she could win the primary and a good chance she will get more votes than trump. if that doesn't happen, it is her fault. >> thank you so much. always appreciate your time and insights on. this no one better to talk to about what happens in that state. as we mentioned, that is the process. we want to talk about the politics of this week's contest. we will have our panel next. o.

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we just finished walking through the chaos that awaits as this week in nevada where nikki haley and donald trump will actually compete in both primaries and caucuses for the republican nomination. there are a set, mayer former congressman, donna edwards, are back with us. tara, i will get your thoughts on -- dueling nominating contests on two different days. i think it is a perfect encapsulation of the gop chaos at this moment? >> yeah. nevada is a microcosm of all the nonsense that has gone on inside the republican party. a lot of the conventional traditional ways that party's rand primaries has been thrown out the window. but this was on purpose, right? trump is a chaos candidate. he thrives off. that they made sure that after 2020 that they would install a lot of trump loyalists in the state party so they can manipulate the system and rig it for trump. this is a perfect example. also in nevada, it's going to

be a swing state. it is really competitive in the presidential election. but they just indicted six people in december for the fake elector scheme there. people forget that that nevada was part of that whole fake elector thing for january 6th, including their state party chairman, who was indicted in december. nevada was also the place where they are secretary of state race in 2022 was a key race to make sure you didn't have an election denier when they're in gym marchand, and i'm proud to say lincoln project was part of those efforts to make sure he did not win. that was part of all those secretary of state races that were so crucial to make sure that those people didn't get in there. as another layer of trump supporters to try to undermine our democracy going into 2024. there is all eyes on nevada. again, the primary is what it is. the 26 delegates are going to go to donald trump in the caucus, it doesn't really matter what happens with nikki haley in the primary. it is just the reality of it.

but again, this is where you have to pay attention to all these key swing states and shenanigans that republicans are trying to pull. >> congresswoman, the democratic primaries at the go smoothly where -- as it normally should in a healthy party. will the camp surrounding the republican nominations help democrats? how they use the republican chaos to their advantage. >> what a loaded question. it's really hard to know. i think for democrats, it is just like let it play out. the american people can see that chaos. they see the chaos in the congress, they see the chaos by donald trump. and then in these state contests. i just don't think democrats need to do anything to point that out, except to say that they are a part -- they are a part of a party that wants to govern and has the interests of the american people in front of it. and republicans simply don't. they can't even get on the same page.

i don't understand nikki haley's candidacy at this point in time. i think democrats need to stay focused, point to the ways in which they've governed and legislated. i think especially for president biden, he has a robust economy that he can point to. and let the chaos play out. the american people don't want that anymore. >> there, i want to get your thoughts on news that broke a short time ago. u.s. democratic senator pat murray releasing the tax of the senate's 118 billion dollar bipartisan border bill. it's got 20 billion dollars to expand operational capacities at the u.s. border. it also includes over 60 billion dollars for ukraine, 14 for israel. a, your reaction to this package, and b, the likelihood that republicans will be good faith actors and actually deal with it like people who care about the things that they say that they care about, like immigration and helping our allies overseas. >> as a former hill staffer who

worked in immigration for seven years, i am shocked that democrats would agree to a tough border bill like this. i think this is great. it will never see the light of day in the house, unfortunately. because republicans are uninterested and actually legislating. they want to use the immigration issue as a wedge, because it works for them. the fear of the other, the chaos at the border, the crime and terrorism. donald trump's singular issue has been immigration. that's why he started his campaign that way in 2015, and he has continued. republicans had both houses of congress when trump was president, they had an opportunity to pass all these tough immigration laws they wanted. why didn't they do it? that because they don't really want to. they are full of crap on this issue, and it's going to expose them for. it's so kudos to the democrats have negotiated in good faith. kudos to president biden for recognizing he needs to do this. and i think the democrats need to embrace it, so the american people see that the democrats are being serious about border

security and about immigration, and about the importance of supporting ukraine, taiwan, and israel. those issues, the fact that they are put together again shows the politics is the republicans are playing, not only domestically, but internationally as well. this is not a game on either level. real lives are at stake. republicans don't give a dam. >> congresswoman, let me play for you senate majority leader chuck schumer, he just spoke moments ago about this bipartisan package watch. >> this bill is vital, vital to america's future interests. ukraine would be run over by putin if we don't get aid in this bill. israel needs to defend itself against hamas with the aid in this bill, palestinian civilians need food to prevent them from starvation that's in this bill. and we fix the border problem in this bill. this is one of the most important pieces of legislation that the senate has seen in years and years and years. >> one of the most important

pieces of legislation seen in years. your thoughts on this, congresswoman. >> no, i think that senator schumer is absolutely correct. and i agree with tara. here you have a bill negotiated that nobody would imagine you could get democrats or republicans on a strong border security bill, plus the three foreign aid packages that are combined there. and have it be agreed to by republicans and democrats. it is really significant. frankly, it if mike johnson and house republicans set on this, shame on them. they want to beat democrats over the head over the border, and they claim a border crisis. but the only thing that they can think about doing right now is impeaching secretary mayorkas instead of passing the most comprehensive piece of legislation that has come forward in a decade. >> former representative donna edwards, tara setmayer, thank you to both of you for spending some time with us tonight.

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in the run up to 2024, president biden's message to black voters in south carolina has been clear. you are the reason i'm president. that's what he told constituents at a dinner last saturday. he went on to win the states democratic primary last night, with an overwhelming majority. it appears as though his outreach to some black voters might be falling short of where it once stood. in a new national nbc news poll out today, biden support from black voters is at 75%. back in 2020, federal election exit polling had it at 87%. this sense of urgency to appeal to black voters is also rooted in rising concerns over other recent polling that shows president biden underperforming among them in battleground states. particularly among black men. a new msnbc documentary is

looking to answer why that might be. we black men in america: road to 2024 dives into one of this country's most overlooked demographics. how black men want their votes to be earned and their fight for a voice in politics ahead of this decisive election year. take a listen. >> as black man, 2024, what is the biggest thing you are listening for in terms of someone who is asking for your vote? one issue. >> equal protection under the law. criminal justice. everything else can begin and end if we are protected to live under the law like everybody else. i can't do nothing there. >> economic freedom, y'all. once we have economic freedom, you know, all the other freedoms are attainable. education, quality health care, making sure you got good police in your community. right now, how many funerals will reverend al have to pay for because black people can't even afford life insurance?

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are we missing, like, the stakes and gravity of this moment, you think? >> i think so. i think that it's easy to, things are okay right now, and it is easy to kind of forget the struggles we've had previously.

and it's important for us to keep that in mind so that we can keep the country -- going in a positive direction and keep everyone growing. just improving the country for our kids. >> that was msnbc correspondent trymaine lee speaking with a voter in south carolina before the polls closed. as mentioned before the break, black men are one of the country's most overlooked voting demographics. a new msnbc documentary is highlighting their stories and keep points ahead of this year's high stakes presidential election. black men in america: road to 2024 it's told through the eyes of black men from the honorable hakeem jeffries to rapper jay wayne jenkins, aka jeezy, and our very own michael steele. it is hosted by two of our own who join me now, joe, mainly correspondent host of msnbc's inter-american podcast and msnbc legal analyst and a friend of the show, someone you've seen in this germany times, charles coleman junior. gentlemen, great to have both of you with us. four main, i will start with you since i was speaking to you

yesterday in realtime about south carolina, while you were talking to those voters. where might the biden administration be falling short on their messaging to voters, particularly black men across this country? >> the, game in. it's not just the messaging, it is the feeling that there is a connection, a presence. when you talk to black voters across the country, one of the things that stick out is that there is no real outreach before the election after the polls close every election cycle, people are pouring over the data and all the metrics that show who showed up and what turnout was like and who voted. but they say that before those elections, before the 11th hour, when democrats -- then they are going out to try to engage with black voters. but the issue for a lot of folks has been long before any election in their communities. the day-to-day struggles. whether it is putting food on the table or sending kids safely to school. health care issues. crime policing, the carceral system. they want to see that these

elected officials are there that and have a true plan for them, not necessarily just a rising tide lifts all boats. they want to feel a real connection there. >> that clip that we played before the break, we heard from reverend al sharpton talking about the need to be equal under the law, treated equally under the law. you also heard from very prominent attorney ben crump saying economic freedom could open the way. there's not a single issue, but you spoke to many interesting people for this project. what if any was a common theme or perhaps a common goal and that the people you spoke to coalesce around in the making of this film? what did you learn that is something central to their tenets. >> what we learned more than anything else is that black men want to be heard and they want their issues to be validated. if you think about what you are about to see in terms of this documentary, our issues are not necessarily part and parcel different from any other

american. if you ask black men are they concerned about the economy, resoundingly, they are going to say yes. if you ask black men, are they concerned about education, health care, these are going to be resounding yeses. these are things that all americans are concerned about. the question becomes, what is the difference? the difference is how they show up, how they express themselves in the lives of black men in such a way that warrants consideration and a unique perspective being seen. that's what we tried to put on display with respect to this piece and everything going to be seen when you watch the special. it's not necessarily that there is one particular issue that rises above all others. we're concerned about the same things other americans are concerned about, but we are concerned about them because they have a peculiar impact on our demographic. we want that acknowledged and we want that addressed. >> tremaine, i want to play a part of your comers -- hakeem jeffries. take a listen to this. >> what is owed to black america? i >> think it is truth, reconciliation, and transformation.

which is why i've been deeply troubled by a lot of what has emerged from some of the extreme right wing forces in this country that want to erase black history, and in doing so erasing american history, because black history is american history. and the notion that some would suggest, or want to teach our children, and that slavery was a job training program, that personally benefited african americans, is outrageous. many of us, myself included, designed to undermine the ability to make progress in areas that connect to basic american values. diversity is an american value. equity is an american value. inclusion is an american value. opportunity in every single zip code, for african american men, and everyone, is an american value. >> trymaine, what more did you gather from the conversation with the minority leader?

>> pound for pound, there are these dueling narratives of whether or not democrats are actually -- care about black people. i think this conversation with hakeem jeffries, brooklyn zone, i think it was clear that black men and black voters matter to him, but i think the message sometimes isn't translating from capitol hill. the other's respect for black men. black men, like any other men in this country, want and deserve the respect. especially when you consider the levels at which black people and black men, even those who've drifted off to the right, something like 80 plus percent are dedicated, dedicating their votes to the democrats. they want and return some level of respect. hakeem jeffries has been around the block in the state legislature to now, the democratic leader. he told us, he tried to reassure us that certainly some dimensions -- and there are some messages that the biden administration is doing a great job when you think about capping medical -- medicine costs,

insulin, infrastructure bill. there have been positive things. it's the messaging that hasn't landed. >> charles, we've got about 40 seconds. i just want to, you know, as we go straight into this program, what do you want viewers and the political viewers to watch this from this documentary? >> i want them to understand there are a variety of different perspectives that black minute haven't because of who we are and where we land on a different spectrum. that doesn't necessarily mean that anyone perspective is over the others. for us to make prospect with respect to our political discourse, we have to get away from a place that we are polarized and unwilling to listen to other people who may disagree with us and get to a place where we at least understand them so we can figure out how to address their concerns. otherwise, we are no different than our colleagues who are across the aisle who refused to honor facts or other perspectives. we are not going to get anywhere as a country. >> absolutely important point. thank you for making time for us. as i said, black men in america, the road to 2024 starts right now.